Zdrastvutye :),
   Apologies in advance for probably braking all your rules, this is for charity
and it is at least railway related.
   We are putting together an epic trip round the edge of the Indian rail
network. takes about 2 weeks, covers about 11,500 km, costs about £300 in AC. We
are all independent travellers, you have to do all your own booking etc, but it
may interest some of you. The charity angle is totally optional, though by just
getting on the train you can help my cause.
   I've blogged it all up in here http://gcirc.wordpress.com, and there's  very
long thread established on IndiaMike. Please tell anyone who may be interested.

Balshoi Spasebo
   Mark

I've just been reading your board and realise this is a very sad time right now
regarding Jukka.
Please ignore my previous request to publicise my event. I'll come back in the
new year and ask again if that's OK.

I assume you have volume 3 of Chester's Locomotives of
the Soviet Union, that goes for 16 UK pounds at Transport
Diversions, and has coverage of narrow gauge engines?
PJB
--- In 5feet@yahoogroups.com, "chriskwilkinson2001" <chriskwilkinson@...> wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
> In the current issue of Lok Report there is an article on the electric narrow
gauge line Proletarsk-Sulyukta using PEU1.In this article there is reference to
a book in 2 parts  written in German as " Unsere schmalspurigen Diesel
lokomotiven und Electrolokmotiven" zwei bande published by Verlag
Zeleznodoroznoe Delo Moskau 2003. No Isbn number is supplied.
>
> Does any member know where you can obtain these books? or if they are still
available.
>
> Regards
>
> Chris
>

Hi Marcel,

The 2 Narrow Gauge books arived safely from Latvia today so many thabks to
Marcel, Chris and Doug for your help and advice.

Chris

--- In 5feet@yahoogroups.com, "chriskwilkinson2001" <chriskwilkinson@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Marcel
>
> Yes i use Dmitry site and translate using Google which appears easier than
Babelfish. As usual it puts silly words in for place names but i find it very
useful.
>
> Best Regards
> Chris
>
> --- In 5feet@yahoogroups.com, "Marcel en Inna" <m.e.f.schuring@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Chris,
> >
> > you're welcome
> >
> > Have you looked the site of dmitry on NG?
> > http://narrow.parovoz.com/indexe.php
> >
> > most part of it is in russian, but you can read aroun d using babelfish
translator
> >
> > regards,
> >
> > Marcel
> >   ----- Original Message -----
> >   From: chriskwilkinson2001
> >   To: 5feet@yahoogroups.com
> >   Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2009 12:24 PM
> >   Subject: [5feet] Re: Russian Narrow Gauge locomotive books
> >
> >
> >     Hi Marcel,
> >
> >   Many thanks i have ordered the books from Latvia and will have to see how
long the post takes to the UK. While searching for the books on the net and also
looking for details of RZD's last operating NG line at Tumskaja i came across
the excellent website from the Netherlands regarding the TU2 locos
http://members.tele2.nl/p.engelbert/. Thsi has links to other Russian NG sites.
> >
> >   Best Regards
> >   Chris
> >
> >   --- In 5feet@yahoogroups.com, "Marcel en Inna" <m.e.f.schuring@> wrote:
> >   >
> >   > Hi Chris,
> >   >
> >   > I ordered some models from them in the past, which all went well.
> >   > No problems
> >   >
> >   > Pay-pal is OK for payments between US and europ.
> >   >
> >   > best regards,
> >   >
> >   > Marcel
> >   >
> >   > ----- Original Message -----
> >   > From: chriskwilkinson2001
> >   > To: 5feet@yahoogroups.com
> >   > Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 9:40 PM
> >   > Subject: [5feet] Re: Russian Narrow Gauge locomotive books
> >   >
> >   >
> >   > Hi Marcel,
> >   >
> >   > Many thanks for that information. This company seems to be based in
Latvia ?, are they trustworthy?. They want you set up a Paypal account. Now i
have the ISBN there are numerous sites in Russia offerring these 2 books but i
cant find anywhere in western europe despite the books being dual
Russian/English just like the narrow guage steam book.
> >   >
> >   > Regards
> >   > Chris
> >   >
> >   > --- In 5feet@yahoogroups.com, "Marcel en Inna" <m.e.f.schuring@> wrote:
> >   > >
> >   > > hi Chris,
> >   > >
> >   > > these books are in english/russian, and very interesting
> >   > >
> >   > > you can find them here:
> >   > >
> >   > >
http://www.miniaturmodelle.net/osc/catalog/index.php?cPath=23_35&osCsid=ca87bc2c\
e7868b17744f7ec576a554ab
> >   > >
> >   > >
> >   > > Best regards,
> >   > >
> >   > > Marcel
> >   > >
> >   > > ----- Original Message -----
> >   > > From: chriskwilkinson2001
> >   > > To: 5feet@yahoogroups.com
> >   > > Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 8:39 PM
> >   > > Subject: [5feet] Russian Narrow Gauge locomotive books
> >   > >
> >   > >
> >   > > Hi All,
> >   > >
> >   > > In the current issue of Lok Report there is an article on the electric
narrow gauge line Proletarsk-Sulyukta using PEU1.In this article there is
reference to a book in 2 parts written in German as " Unsere schmalspurigen
Diesel lokomotiven und Electrolokmotiven" zwei bande published by Verlag
Zeleznodoroznoe Delo Moskau 2003. No Isbn number is supplied.
> >   > >
> >   > > Does any member know where you can obtain these books? or if they are
still available.
> >   > >
> >   > > Regards
> >   > >
> >   > > Chris
> >   > >
> >   > >
> >   > >
> >   > >
> >   > >
> >   > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >   > >
> >   >
> >   >
> >   >
> >   >
> >   >
> >   > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >   >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>

I have been researching more and I found this photo from the Ivanovo Oblast.  It
would appear to me that Furmanov has a passing siding at it's station:

http://www.parovoz.com/newgallery/pg_view.php?ID=76955#picture

Matt

Hi Marcel

Yes i use Dmitry site and translate using Google which appears easier than
Babelfish. As usual it puts silly words in for place names but i find it very
useful.

Best Regards
Chris

--- In 5feet@yahoogroups.com, "Marcel en Inna" <m.e.f.schuring@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Chris,
>
> you're welcome
>
> Have you looked the site of dmitry on NG?
> http://narrow.parovoz.com/indexe.php
>
> most part of it is in russian, but you can read aroun d using babelfish
translator
>
> regards,
>
> Marcel
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: chriskwilkinson2001
>   To: 5feet@yahoogroups.com
>   Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2009 12:24 PM
>   Subject: [5feet] Re: Russian Narrow Gauge locomotive books
>
>
>     Hi Marcel,
>
>   Many thanks i have ordered the books from Latvia and will have to see how
long the post takes to the UK. While searching for the books on the net and also
looking for details of RZD's last operating NG line at Tumskaja i came across
the excellent website from the Netherlands regarding the TU2 locos
http://members.tele2.nl/p.engelbert/. Thsi has links to other Russian NG sites.
>
>   Best Regards
>   Chris
>
>   --- In 5feet@yahoogroups.com, "Marcel en Inna" <m.e.f.schuring@> wrote:
>   >
>   > Hi Chris,
>   >
>   > I ordered some models from them in the past, which all went well.
>   > No problems
>   >
>   > Pay-pal is OK for payments between US and europ.
>   >
>   > best regards,
>   >
>   > Marcel
>   >
>   > ----- Original Message -----
>   > From: chriskwilkinson2001
>   > To: 5feet@yahoogroups.com
>   > Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 9:40 PM
>   > Subject: [5feet] Re: Russian Narrow Gauge locomotive books
>   >
>   >
>   > Hi Marcel,
>   >
>   > Many thanks for that information. This company seems to be based in Latvia
?, are they trustworthy?. They want you set up a Paypal account. Now i have the
ISBN there are numerous sites in Russia offerring these 2 books but i cant find
anywhere in western europe despite the books being dual Russian/English just
like the narrow guage steam book.
>   >
>   > Regards
>   > Chris
>   >
>   > --- In 5feet@yahoogroups.com, "Marcel en Inna" <m.e.f.schuring@> wrote:
>   > >
>   > > hi Chris,
>   > >
>   > > these books are in english/russian, and very interesting
>   > >
>   > > you can find them here:
>   > >
>   > >
http://www.miniaturmodelle.net/osc/catalog/index.php?cPath=23_35&osCsid=ca87bc2c\
e7868b17744f7ec576a554ab
>   > >
>   > >
>   > > Best regards,
>   > >
>   > > Marcel
>   > >
>   > > ----- Original Message -----
>   > > From: chriskwilkinson2001
>   > > To: 5feet@yahoogroups.com
>   > > Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 8:39 PM
>   > > Subject: [5feet] Russian Narrow Gauge locomotive books
>   > >
>   > >
>   > > Hi All,
>   > >
>   > > In the current issue of Lok Report there is an article on the electric
narrow gauge line Proletarsk-Sulyukta using PEU1.In this article there is
reference to a book in 2 parts written in German as " Unsere schmalspurigen
Diesel lokomotiven und Electrolokmotiven" zwei bande published by Verlag
Zeleznodoroznoe Delo Moskau 2003. No Isbn number is supplied.
>   > >
>   > > Does any member know where you can obtain these books? or if they are
still available.
>   > >
>   > > Regards
>   > >
>   > > Chris
>   > >
>   > >
>   > >
>   > >
>   > >
>   > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>   > >
>   >
>   >
>   >
>   >
>   >
>   > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>   >
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Hi Chris,

you're welcome

Have you looked the site of dmitry on NG?
http://narrow.parovoz.com/indexe.php

most part of it is in russian, but you can read aroun d using babelfish
translator

regards,

Marcel
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: chriskwilkinson2001
   To: 5feet@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2009 12:24 PM
   Subject: [5feet] Re: Russian Narrow Gauge locomotive books


     Hi Marcel,

   Many thanks i have ordered the books from Latvia and will have to see how long
the post takes to the UK. While searching for the books on the net and also
looking for details of RZD's last operating NG line at Tumskaja i came across
the excellent website from the Netherlands regarding the TU2 locos
http://members.tele2.nl/p.engelbert/. Thsi has links to other Russian NG sites.

   Best Regards
   Chris

   --- In 5feet@yahoogroups.com, "Marcel en Inna" <m.e.f.schuring@...> wrote:
   >
   > Hi Chris,
   >
   > I ordered some models from them in the past, which all went well.
   > No problems
   >
   > Pay-pal is OK for payments between US and europ.
   >
   > best regards,
   >
   > Marcel
   >
   > ----- Original Message -----
   > From: chriskwilkinson2001
   > To: 5feet@yahoogroups.com
   > Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 9:40 PM
   > Subject: [5feet] Re: Russian Narrow Gauge locomotive books
   >
   >
   > Hi Marcel,
   >
   > Many thanks for that information. This company seems to be based in Latvia
?, are they trustworthy?. They want you set up a Paypal account. Now i have the
ISBN there are numerous sites in Russia offerring these 2 books but i cant find
anywhere in western europe despite the books being dual Russian/English just
like the narrow guage steam book.
   >
   > Regards
   > Chris
   >
   > --- In 5feet@yahoogroups.com, "Marcel en Inna" <m.e.f.schuring@> wrote:
   > >
   > > hi Chris,
   > >
   > > these books are in english/russian, and very interesting
   > >
   > > you can find them here:
   > >
   > >
http://www.miniaturmodelle.net/osc/catalog/index.php?cPath=23_35&osCsid=ca87bc2c\
e7868b17744f7ec576a554ab
   > >
   > >
   > > Best regards,
   > >
   > > Marcel
   > >
   > > ----- Original Message -----
   > > From: chriskwilkinson2001
   > > To: 5feet@yahoogroups.com
   > > Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 8:39 PM
   > > Subject: [5feet] Russian Narrow Gauge locomotive books
   > >
   > >
   > > Hi All,
   > >
   > > In the current issue of Lok Report there is an article on the electric
narrow gauge line Proletarsk-Sulyukta using PEU1.In this article there is
reference to a book in 2 parts written in German as " Unsere schmalspurigen
Diesel lokomotiven und Electrolokmotiven" zwei bande published by Verlag
Zeleznodoroznoe Delo Moskau 2003. No Isbn number is supplied.
   > >
   > > Does any member know where you can obtain these books? or if they are
still available.
   > >
   > > Regards
   > >
   > > Chris
   > >
   > >
   > >
   > >
   > >
   > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
   > >
   >
   >
   >
   >
   >
   > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
   >





[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hi Marcel,

Many thanks i have ordered the books from Latvia and will have to see how long
the post takes to the UK. While searching for the books on the net and also
looking for details of RZD's last operating NG line at Tumskaja i came across
the excellent website from the Netherlands regarding the TU2 locos
http://members.tele2.nl/p.engelbert/. Thsi has links to other Russian NG sites.

Best Regards
Chris



--- In 5feet@yahoogroups.com, "Marcel en Inna" <m.e.f.schuring@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Chris,
>
> I ordered some models from them in the past, which all went well.
> No problems
>
> Pay-pal is OK for payments between US and europ.
>
> best regards,
>
> Marcel
>
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: chriskwilkinson2001
>   To: 5feet@yahoogroups.com
>   Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 9:40 PM
>   Subject: [5feet] Re: Russian Narrow Gauge locomotive books
>
>
>     Hi Marcel,
>
>   Many thanks for that information. This company seems to be based in Latvia
?, are they trustworthy?. They want you set up a Paypal account. Now i have the
ISBN there are numerous sites in Russia offerring these 2 books but i cant find
anywhere in western europe despite the books being dual Russian/English just
like the narrow guage steam book.
>
>   Regards
>   Chris
>
>   --- In 5feet@yahoogroups.com, "Marcel en Inna" <m.e.f.schuring@> wrote:
>   >
>   > hi Chris,
>   >
>   > these books are in english/russian, and very interesting
>   >
>   > you can find them here:
>   >
>   >
http://www.miniaturmodelle.net/osc/catalog/index.php?cPath=23_35&osCsid=ca87bc2c\
e7868b17744f7ec576a554ab
>   >
>   >
>   > Best regards,
>   >
>   > Marcel
>   >
>   > ----- Original Message -----
>   > From: chriskwilkinson2001
>   > To: 5feet@yahoogroups.com
>   > Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 8:39 PM
>   > Subject: [5feet] Russian Narrow Gauge locomotive books
>   >
>   >
>   > Hi All,
>   >
>   > In the current issue of Lok Report there is an article on the electric
narrow gauge line Proletarsk-Sulyukta using PEU1.In this article there is
reference to a book in 2 parts written in German as " Unsere schmalspurigen
Diesel lokomotiven und Electrolokmotiven" zwei bande published by Verlag
Zeleznodoroznoe Delo Moskau 2003. No Isbn number is supplied.
>   >
>   > Does any member know where you can obtain these books? or if they are
still available.
>   >
>   > Regards
>   >
>   > Chris
>   >
>   >
>   >
>   >
>   >
>   > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>   >
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Hi Chris,

I ordered some models from them in the past, which all went well.
No problems

Pay-pal is OK for payments between US and europ.

best regards,

Marcel

   ----- Original Message -----
   From: chriskwilkinson2001
   To: 5feet@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 9:40 PM
   Subject: [5feet] Re: Russian Narrow Gauge locomotive books


     Hi Marcel,

   Many thanks for that information. This company seems to be based in Latvia ?,
are they trustworthy?. They want you set up a Paypal account. Now i have the
ISBN there are numerous sites in Russia offerring these 2 books but i cant find
anywhere in western europe despite the books being dual Russian/English just
like the narrow guage steam book.

   Regards
   Chris

   --- In 5feet@yahoogroups.com, "Marcel en Inna" <m.e.f.schuring@...> wrote:
   >
   > hi Chris,
   >
   > these books are in english/russian, and very interesting
   >
   > you can find them here:
   >
   >
http://www.miniaturmodelle.net/osc/catalog/index.php?cPath=23_35&osCsid=ca87bc2c\
e7868b17744f7ec576a554ab
   >
   >
   > Best regards,
   >
   > Marcel
   >
   > ----- Original Message -----
   > From: chriskwilkinson2001
   > To: 5feet@yahoogroups.com
   > Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 8:39 PM
   > Subject: [5feet] Russian Narrow Gauge locomotive books
   >
   >
   > Hi All,
   >
   > In the current issue of Lok Report there is an article on the electric
narrow gauge line Proletarsk-Sulyukta using PEU1.In this article there is
reference to a book in 2 parts written in German as " Unsere schmalspurigen
Diesel lokomotiven und Electrolokmotiven" zwei bande published by Verlag
Zeleznodoroznoe Delo Moskau 2003. No Isbn number is supplied.
   >
   > Does any member know where you can obtain these books? or if they are still
available.
   >
   > Regards
   >
   > Chris
   >
   >
   >
   >
   >
   > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
   >





[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

If you get stuck I think I may have spare copies of both, but I would have
to check to be sure. You might email Mr. Stenvalls and ask about payment
options.
Doug



> Thanks Doug,
>
> Yes Stenvells still have them but are still in the dark ages regarding
> payment.It is surprising no one in the UK stocks them as the NG steam book
> was widely avialable.
>
> Cheers
> Chris

Thanks Doug,

Yes Stenvells still have them but are still in the dark ages regarding
payment.It is surprising no one in the UK stocks them as the NG steam book was
widely avialable.

Cheers
Chris



--- In 5feet@yahoogroups.com, "Doug Cummings" <DougCummings@...> wrote:
>
> Check the Stenvalls web site. They may still be there, they were there in
> the past as that is where I got my copies. He is located in Sweden.
> www.Stenvalls.com
> Doug
>
> > Hi Marcel,
> >
> > Many thanks for that information. This company seems to be based in Latvia
> > ?, are they trustworthy?. They want you set up a Paypal account. Now i
> > have the ISBN there are numerous sites in Russia offerring these 2 books
> > but i cant find anywhere in western europe despite the books being dual
> > Russian/English just like the narrow guage steam book.
> >
> > Regards
> > Chris
>

Check the Stenvalls web site. They may still be there, they were there in
the past as that is where I got my copies. He is located in Sweden.
www.Stenvalls.com
Doug

> Hi Marcel,
>
> Many thanks for that information. This company seems to be based in Latvia
> ?, are they trustworthy?. They want you set up a Paypal account. Now i
> have the ISBN there are numerous sites in Russia offerring these 2 books
> but i cant find anywhere in western europe despite the books being dual
> Russian/English just like the narrow guage steam book.
>
> Regards
> Chris

Hi Marcel,

Many thanks for that information. This company seems to be based in Latvia ?,
are they trustworthy?. They want you set up a Paypal account. Now i have the
ISBN there are numerous sites in Russia offerring these 2 books but i cant find
anywhere in western europe despite the books being dual Russian/English just
like the narrow guage steam book.

Regards
Chris





--- In 5feet@yahoogroups.com, "Marcel en Inna" <m.e.f.schuring@...> wrote:
>
> hi Chris,
>
> these books are in english/russian, and very interesting
>
> you can find them here:
>
>
http://www.miniaturmodelle.net/osc/catalog/index.php?cPath=23_35&osCsid=ca87bc2c\
e7868b17744f7ec576a554ab
>
>
> Best regards,
>
> Marcel
>
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: chriskwilkinson2001
>   To: 5feet@yahoogroups.com
>   Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 8:39 PM
>   Subject: [5feet] Russian Narrow Gauge locomotive books
>
>
>     Hi All,
>
>   In the current issue of Lok Report there is an article on the electric
narrow gauge line Proletarsk-Sulyukta using PEU1.In this article there is
reference to a book in 2 parts written in German as " Unsere schmalspurigen
Diesel lokomotiven und Electrolokmotiven" zwei bande published by Verlag
Zeleznodoroznoe Delo Moskau 2003. No Isbn number is supplied.
>
>   Does any member know where you can obtain these books? or if they are still
available.
>
>   Regards
>
>   Chris
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

hi Chris,

these books are in english/russian, and very interesting

you can find them here:

http://www.miniaturmodelle.net/osc/catalog/index.php?cPath=23_35&osCsid=ca87bc2c\
e7868b17744f7ec576a554ab


Best regards,

Marcel

   ----- Original Message -----
   From: chriskwilkinson2001
   To: 5feet@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 8:39 PM
   Subject: [5feet] Russian Narrow Gauge locomotive books


     Hi All,

   In the current issue of Lok Report there is an article on the electric narrow
gauge line Proletarsk-Sulyukta using PEU1.In this article there is reference to
a book in 2 parts written in German as " Unsere schmalspurigen Diesel
lokomotiven und Electrolokmotiven" zwei bande published by Verlag
Zeleznodoroznoe Delo Moskau 2003. No Isbn number is supplied.

   Does any member know where you can obtain these books? or if they are still
available.

   Regards

   Chris





[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hi All,

In the current issue of Lok Report there is an article on the electric narrow
gauge line Proletarsk-Sulyukta using PEU1.In this article there is reference to
a book in 2 parts  written in German as " Unsere schmalspurigen Diesel
lokomotiven und Electrolokmotiven" zwei bande published by Verlag
Zeleznodoroznoe Delo Moskau 2003. No Isbn number is supplied.

Does any member know where you can obtain these books? or if they are still
available.

Regards

Chris

Matt,

One thing I have noticed about Russain passenger stations is that they are
huge at the major cities. The platforms and tracks are long enough to hold
entire trains with locomotives, and can be ten or more tracks wide. Another
characteristic is that most are open air; ie no sheds or platform canopies.
Even in the coldest regions passengers must have to wait or walk long
distances to get to heir trains.

I track Asian, mostly Russian temps in the winter and it is already near
zero alng the Trans-Sib from Kansk to Skovorodino.

If you want to Google large stations and yards go to Omsk, Novosibirsk, or
Tajshet.

Of course at large passenger termionals you do have 'dedicated passenger
sidings' in a sense because the parallel station platform tracks are like
sidings in that several trains can be in a station at the same time. Also
check the line down the Black Sea coast to Soci. This is a heavily passenger
line to resort areas and partly single track so here you may find station
sidings for passenegr trains. I've heard this line has 20 or so passenger
trains each way in summer season, most 15-20 cars. Last time i checked
google you could see some of them.

Familiar with Rt301 and Bay Bridge. With daughter in DC and son in Richmond
sometimes go that way to avoid I-95.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Matthew" <rustman_mv@...>
To: <5feet@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 7:53 PM
Subject: [5feet] Re: Introduction and Question.


> John,
>
> Thanks.  The lack of a dedicated passing siding at passenger stations was
> what I was afraid of.  I'm trying to be prototypical AND practical for
> running FREE-MO.  I"ll do some more digging on Steam Engine IS.  One of my
> favorite sites.  Good thing my choice of station to use for representation
> is geocached and I can easily go to GoogleMaps.
>
> As for Red Star railways.  Talked to him a couple of times at the Timonium
> Trainshow.  Bought some stuff from him.  Plan to buy the passenger
> platforms.  But haven't gotten a reply to my email.  BTW I live on the
> Eastern Shore of MD myself.  But down 301 near the bridge.
>
> Matt Picciotto
> Grasonville, MD
>
> --- In 5feet@yahoogroups.com, "JOHN LASSAHN" <johnlassahn@...> wrote:
>>
>> Matt,
>>
>> I doubt if there are dedicated 'passenger' passing sidings at most
>> locations. usually when there are sidings a railroad makes them to
>> accomodate the longest trains operated, which are freight trains. In
>> Russia,
>> by using Google Earth for tracing single track lines and measuring
>> sidings
>> and trains I have determined that the typical length for both is one
>> kilometer, (appx 3270 feet),  Passenger trains are not that long, of
>> course,
>> but from the Steam Engine IS photos I've counted up to 24 cars on some
>> Russian passenger trains, and many are 18-20 cars. However, on branch
>> lines
>> they are much shorter. In commuter districts I'd say the typical platform
>> length is the 8 to 10 car EMUs they operate. On remote branches platforms
>> could be very short for the 4-6 car DMUs.
>>
>> If you are modeling a specific area go to Google Earth and hope to fined
>> a
>> very refined image for that area and measure the sidings and platform
>> lengths. I will admit I've never been to Russia and doubt if I will ever
>> be
>> able to go. A few DVDs, Steam engine IS, and Google eaarth are my only
>> resources but you can lean a lot from them.
>>
>> As for Russian models, be sure to check Red Star Railways for accurate
>> Russian models built by a friend living on the Eastern Shore.
>>
>> John Lassahn, Wilmington, DE
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Matthew" <rustman_mv@...>
>> To: <5feet@yahoogroups.com>
>> Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 7:12 PM
>> Subject: [5feet] Introduction and Question.
>>
>>
>> > Hello all,
>> >
>> > As way of introduction my name is Matthew Picciotto and I have a deep
>> > interest in Russia.  I have traveled there twice and am going to
>> > Ukraine
>> > next fall.  I also like to model Russia in HO scale.  Which brings me
>> > to
>> > my question.  What is a common or average length of a passenger passing
>> > siding and also platform at the country stations serving the smaller
>> > towns?
>> >
>> > Spacebo
>> > Matt
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ------------------------------------
>> >
>> > --Yahoo! Groups Links
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> --Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

John,

Thanks.  The lack of a dedicated passing siding at passenger stations was what I
was afraid of.  I'm trying to be prototypical AND practical for running FREE-MO.
I"ll do some more digging on Steam Engine IS.  One of my favorite sites.  Good
thing my choice of station to use for representation is geocached and I can
easily go to GoogleMaps.

As for Red Star railways.  Talked to him a couple of times at the Timonium
Trainshow.  Bought some stuff from him.  Plan to buy the passenger platforms. 
But haven't gotten a reply to my email.  BTW I live on the Eastern Shore of MD
myself.  But down 301 near the bridge.

Matt Picciotto
Grasonville, MD

--- In 5feet@yahoogroups.com, "JOHN LASSAHN" <johnlassahn@...> wrote:
>
> Matt,
>
> I doubt if there are dedicated 'passenger' passing sidings at most
> locations. usually when there are sidings a railroad makes them to
> accomodate the longest trains operated, which are freight trains. In Russia,
> by using Google Earth for tracing single track lines and measuring sidings
> and trains I have determined that the typical length for both is one
> kilometer, (appx 3270 feet),  Passenger trains are not that long, of course,
> but from the Steam Engine IS photos I've counted up to 24 cars on some
> Russian passenger trains, and many are 18-20 cars. However, on branch lines
> they are much shorter. In commuter districts I'd say the typical platform
> length is the 8 to 10 car EMUs they operate. On remote branches platforms
> could be very short for the 4-6 car DMUs.
>
> If you are modeling a specific area go to Google Earth and hope to fined a
> very refined image for that area and measure the sidings and platform
> lengths. I will admit I've never been to Russia and doubt if I will ever be
> able to go. A few DVDs, Steam engine IS, and Google eaarth are my only
> resources but you can lean a lot from them.
>
> As for Russian models, be sure to check Red Star Railways for accurate
> Russian models built by a friend living on the Eastern Shore.
>
> John Lassahn, Wilmington, DE
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Matthew" <rustman_mv@...>
> To: <5feet@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 7:12 PM
> Subject: [5feet] Introduction and Question.
>
>
> > Hello all,
> >
> > As way of introduction my name is Matthew Picciotto and I have a deep
> > interest in Russia.  I have traveled there twice and am going to Ukraine
> > next fall.  I also like to model Russia in HO scale.  Which brings me to
> > my question.  What is a common or average length of a passenger passing
> > siding and also platform at the country stations serving the smaller
> > towns?
> >
> > Spacebo
> > Matt
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > --Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
>

Matt,

I doubt if there are dedicated 'passenger' passing sidings at most
locations. usually when there are sidings a railroad makes them to
accomodate the longest trains operated, which are freight trains. In Russia,
by using Google Earth for tracing single track lines and measuring sidings
and trains I have determined that the typical length for both is one
kilometer, (appx 3270 feet),  Passenger trains are not that long, of course,
but from the Steam Engine IS photos I've counted up to 24 cars on some
Russian passenger trains, and many are 18-20 cars. However, on branch lines
they are much shorter. In commuter districts I'd say the typical platform
length is the 8 to 10 car EMUs they operate. On remote branches platforms
could be very short for the 4-6 car DMUs.

If you are modeling a specific area go to Google Earth and hope to fined a
very refined image for that area and measure the sidings and platform
lengths. I will admit I've never been to Russia and doubt if I will ever be
able to go. A few DVDs, Steam engine IS, and Google eaarth are my only
resources but you can lean a lot from them.

As for Russian models, be sure to check Red Star Railways for accurate
Russian models built by a friend living on the Eastern Shore.

John Lassahn, Wilmington, DE
----- Original Message -----
From: "Matthew" <rustman_mv@...>
To: <5feet@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 7:12 PM
Subject: [5feet] Introduction and Question.


> Hello all,
>
> As way of introduction my name is Matthew Picciotto and I have a deep
> interest in Russia.  I have traveled there twice and am going to Ukraine
> next fall.  I also like to model Russia in HO scale.  Which brings me to
> my question.  What is a common or average length of a passenger passing
> siding and also platform at the country stations serving the smaller
> towns?
>
> Spacebo
> Matt
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> --Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

Thanks to Peter and Peter plus Dan for the replies regarding the TE3
workings. Sorry for delay but I have been snapping on the Rhb for the past 2
weeks.



Regards

Chris



View Armchair Snaps on the web.



www.foto-rail.com





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Hello all,

As way of introduction my name is Matthew Picciotto and I have a deep interest
in Russia.  I have traveled there twice and am going to Ukraine next fall.  I
also like to model Russia in HO scale.  Which brings me to my question.  What is
a common or average length of a passenger passing siding and also platform at
the country stations serving the smaller towns?

Spacebo
Matt

Thank you all for your condolences to Jukka Nurminens
family!
With sorrowful regards
Liisa Kautto-Nurminen and family

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Hello Chris,

I waited several days hoping that someone with recent knowledge would answer
your questions. My information concerning Noviy Urengoy is all from 2005.

1. TE3 were still in use in May 2009.

2. These TE3 loks, as far as I know are not in RZD stock. They are owned
(some units acquired since 2005 may be leased, I'm not sure) by the Yamal
Railway Company, a private railway company owned partly by RZD, and partly
by Gazprom.

3. In 2005, the Yamal Railway had five 2-unit sets of TE3, of which all
except one unit were active, and that inactive unit was being repaired. They
were all based out of a depot located at Korotchaevo, not Noviy Urengoy.
Sometime after 2005, it appears that the Yamal Railway acquired at least
three more  TE3 units. One of these is a complete 2-unit set, I believe,
although I am not absolutely positive concerning this.  They do all sorts of
work, mostly mainline heavy freight trains, as well as passenger trains.

4. I currently do not have access to my Russia rail atlas, but I guess that
Korotchaevo is at KM 1331, although I seem to remember it being farther than
59 km from Korotchaevo to Noviy Urengoy. But maybe that is correct.
Korotchaevo is where the Yamal Railway begins.

5. Even in 2005 foreigners without prior approval could not travel to this
area. Shortly thereafter, the FSB, successor to the KGB, succeeded in
closing this entire area, as well as others, to non-Russians, as a "border
area", even though it is many hundreds of kilometers from the Arctic Ocean.

I hope this helps.

Peter


----- Original Message -----
From: "chriskwilkinson2001" <chriskwilkinson@...>
To: <5feet@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 4:03 PM
Subject: [5feet] TE3 Novy Urengoy


> Hi All,
>
> Some questions regarding the TE3.
>
> 1. Are they still working around Novy Urengoy( Y-NAOblast).
>
> 2. Are these locomotives in RZD Stock as i can find no depot on line 451
with any TE3 allocated?
>
> 3. How many TE3 remain active at Novy Urengoy and what work do they
perform.
>
> 4. The Current RZD timetable for Table 451 shows all trains terminating at
KM 1331 wherweas Novy Urengoy is at KM 1390. The summary train list in the
current timetable shows trains running to/from Novy Urengoy?.
>
> 5. Is this area closed to non Russians?.
>
> Thanks
> Chris
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> --Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

Hi All,

Some questions regarding the TE3.

1. Are they still working around Novy Urengoy( Y-NAOblast).

2. Are these locomotives in RZD Stock as i can find no depot on line 451 with
any TE3 allocated?

3. How many TE3 remain active at Novy Urengoy and what work do they perform.

4. The Current RZD timetable for Table 451 shows all trains terminating at KM
1331 wherweas Novy Urengoy is at KM 1390. The summary train list in the current
timetable shows trains running to/from Novy Urengoy?.

5. Is this area closed to non Russians?.

Thanks
Chris

It shows the power of groups such as this.  I never met Jukka, but I felt as if
I knew him.  Although I contribute little to 5feet (it is already a few years
since my most-recent trips to Russia, Finland or the Baltic nations), I learn a
lot.  Jukka's posts covered far more than railway and locomotive history: there
was a lot of social and political history, with the complex border changes and
occupations unravelled.

Within the hobby in Australia, hardly a month goes by without recording the
death of another long-standing hobby member: people from a generation which
built the hobby (researchers, writers, preservationists, regular attenders of
tours/meetings).

I am saddened that I will not see another detailed post on another interesting
aspect, but I am so glad that I have had the chance to learn from the those
which were posted with such frequency over such a long time.

Jukka has left a lasting legacy to the hobby.

Kiitoksia paljon.  Näkemiin.

Regards,
Roderick B Smith
Rail News Victoria Editor

My condolences to Jukka's family and friends in this sad moment. I never met him
personally but reading his posts, his monumental work about Russian locomotives
and knowing about his wide interests on railway topics, a first class researcher
and historian has been lost.
Regards,
Guillermo

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--- In 5feet@yahoogroups.com, Martin Murray <martin.murray@...> wrote:
> After his cooperation with the late Mike Page on volume 2 of Mike's
> mammoth work on Russian steam locomotives, one had hoped
> that he might have been able to complete the story with volume 3. It
> would appear that that is now never likely to appear.
>

Martin,

I'm sure you're aware, and for the wider interest of this group, there is an
outline and contents for the unpublished volume 3 in the Stephenson Locomotive
Society Library (L9063), which probably represents near completion at the time
of Mike Page's death.

Regards,

Eddie.

Let me add to the messages of condolence already expressed.  Jukka Nurminen
covered a wide variety of topics within this group (and privately off-list) -
amazing in both breadth and detail - and will be greatly missed.

I have only just caught up with this sad news.

Like many of you I was enthralled by the detailed histories that Jukka published
on this group whether it be on Finnish or Russian locomotives, German Kriegloks,
even locomotives in Iran I seem to recall.

Again like many of you I have never met him and knew nothing of his illness -
his postings on this group will be missed.


I pass on my sincere condolances to his family and friends.

I will be informing others that I know are not on the internet.

Brian Garvin

Misprint in Timos message, the funeral service will be on 10 October
at 10:30.

Liisa Nurminen reads your condolences from this site. Those sent
privately to me has been forwarded to her.

As Timo said, I had known Jukka since the 1960s as we shared the same
interests: train-timing (with stop-watch) and builders lists.
Gradually Jukka became more and more involved with Russian, Chinese
and North Korean railways. I have done some preliminary editing to
his manuscript on North Korea, and it is very unfortunate that his
time ended while the manuscript is unfinished. Over the decades, we
communicated most of the time weekly, sometimes daily, comparing
lists of locomotives in various countries. When researching one and
the same matter, like Russian and Polish locomotives in Finland
1941-45, we usually checked different sources by mutual agreement and
then compared results. In the example, Jukka checked all military
archives in Finland and I did the same to the Finnish State Railways
and their workshops. Thus we saved a lot of time, but lost a complete
picture what info is located where. Although I knew Jukkas illness
and understood how he became weaker and weaker, the end was a shock.
We had communicated last time on friday evening.

Eljas Pölhö


On 2009-09-30  , at 11.23, Timo Valtonen wrote:
.....
>
> Mr Eljas Pölhö, who send the first message wrote on the Finnish
> http://www.vaunut.org site that the funeral would take place on Nov.
> 10th in the western chapel of the Malmi Cemetary in Helsinki. As he
> was
> a close personal friend of Jukka please write directly him.
>
> Timo Valtonen
> >
> >


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Martin Murray wrote:
>
>
> Dmitry Zinoviev wrote:
> >
> >
> > > Did Jukka have a special access to Russian / Soviet archives or
> library ?
> >
> > He worked with the former Russian Imperial archives in Helsinki that
> > were transferred there after the Bolshevik revolution.
> >
>
> Like others on this list, I was distressed to hear of Jukka's sudden
> death. I knew nothing of his illness, assuming that since his heart
> by-pass operation (two years ago?) his health had been generally good.
> After all, he wrote his last letter to this list less than a month ago.
>
> I only met Jukka once, but corresponded with him extensively, both on
> this list and privately. He was always a mine of information, and one of
> very few people with an extensive knowledge of Russian and Soviet
> railway history. After his cooperation with the late Mike Page on volume
> 2 of Mike's mammoth work on Russian steam locomotives, one had hoped
> that he might have been able to complete the story with volume 3. It
> would appear that that is now never likely to appear.
>
> Is there any information as to who will be taking care of his estate,
> and would be in a position to pass on our sympathies to his family?
>
> Martin Murray
>





















Mr Eljas Pölhö, who send the first message wrote on the Finnish
http://www.vaunut.org site that the funeral would take place on Nov.
10th in the western chapel of the Malmi Cemetary in Helsinki. As he was
a close personal friend of Jukka please write directly him.

Timo Valtonen
>
>
>