--- In BM_RR@yahoogroups.com, msherbak11@... wrote:
How many coaches were in a typical consist of the Kennebec.

In the 1950s, the Kennebec was typically made up of one E-7 (or E-8), a
stainless steel combine, and four s.s. coaches. If extra space was needed, a
standard heavyweight was tacked onto the rear.  You have my word as an
eyewitness. :-)

PBM

How accurate were these HO models and how does the Walthers model compare to the
Branchline renditions ? What timeframe were these cars in service on the Boston
and Maine ?

Mike S in Aiken County, SC
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there are photos of this car (not very good ones) on p 28-29 of the R Jones
Forest River & Mountain. These cars were involved in all three wrecks of the Red
Wing in 1954, 55 and 57 and that is often a good source to look for pictures of
them.

Cape Beale and Cape Bauld are in the Sunshine CP color guide

Bob's Photo sells a shot of Cape Cook and Al Paterson up in Ontario sells a shot
Cape Severn

If my memory serves me well, I believe one of these cars is up in western Canada
to this day


Roger Hinman
On Nov 22, 2009, at 6:12 PM, jshorvath10583 wrote:

> I'm looking for photos of CPR sleeper-buffet-solarium lounges CAPE CHURCHILL
or CAPE GEORGE for modeling-reference purposes. Available information indicates
they were the cars regularly assigned to the joint B&M-CPR "Red Wing" overnight
service between Boston and Montreal in the postwar era I model. Available
information also indicates that not all CAPEs were the same in terms of car
history and details which is why I'm looking for photos of these specific cars.
Suggestions as to sources in published books, etc. are particularly welcome.
>
> As information I'm cobbling together a model of these cars using the resin
sides and ends once sold by Fred Shannon d/b/a Great Western Passenger Car
Details. I also have his interior and underbody detail kits for these cars but
I'm particularly lacking roof details. As these cars had a mid-car buffet as
well as a supplemental heater near the vetibule end the roofs are relatively
'busy' and thus require some attention for detailing. I'm using a Walthers 6-3
body as a core (I had a couple surplus, there's nothing special about the 6-3 in
this
> case) and BCW's resin roof that is supposedly a 'clean' knockoff of a
Rivarossi sleeper roof. It's nice to use in this case as it's devoid of vents or
ductwork and has a narrow clerestory.
>
> Thank you in advance for any suggestions.
>
> John S. Horvath
>
>



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I'm looking for photos of CPR sleeper-buffet-solarium lounges CAPE CHURCHILL or
CAPE GEORGE for modeling-reference purposes. Available information indicates
they were the cars regularly assigned to the joint B&M-CPR "Red Wing" overnight
service between Boston and Montreal in the postwar era I model. Available
information also indicates that not all CAPEs were the same in terms of car
history and details which is why I'm looking for photos of these specific cars.
Suggestions as to sources in published books, etc. are particularly welcome.

As information I'm cobbling together a model of these cars using the resin sides
and ends once sold by Fred Shannon d/b/a Great Western Passenger Car Details. I
also have his interior and underbody detail kits for these cars but I'm
particularly lacking roof details. As these cars had a mid-car buffet as well as
a supplemental heater near the vetibule end the roofs are relatively 'busy' and
thus require some attention for detailing. I'm using a Walthers 6-3 body as a
core (I had a couple surplus, there's nothing special about the 6-3 in this
case) and BCW's resin roof that is supposedly a 'clean' knockoff of a Rivarossi
sleeper roof. It's nice to use in this case as it's devoid of vents or ductwork
and has a narrow clerestory.

Thank you in advance for any suggestions.

John S. Horvath

Wow ! Does this ever help ! Thanks so much Tom

Mike
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Mike,

While I do not have a consist book for the 1946-1951 time period, I do have a
couple timetables and Stan Whitney's films "B&M in the Four Seasons Vol 1" which
has a great run by of the Kennebec at Lowell Jct and headed for Portland and
beyond. The film's narration identifies B&M Train #11 "Kennebec" headed for
Maine with an extra diner and two parlor cars. The diner is extra only because
according to the timetable this morning train did not usually carry a diner, but
it is summer time and travel was heavy and extra diners were available given the
arrival of the new stainless steel clad equipment.

The film shows the following consist:

B&M E7A Loco
Stainless Steel Combine
4 Stainless Steel Coaches
B&M Heavyweight Diner (Possibly New Hampshire)
B&M 26-DR Parlor (Beech)
B&M/MEC Buffet Parlor (Possibly Pine, Spruce, Maple, Birch, or Elm)
MEC 213-221 series Coach-smoker
2 B&M HW high window Osgood Bradley coaches
2 B&M ex-Reading Coaches (the last coach painted in Reading Greeen and lettered
below the windows for the B&M)

Here's what else is known:

The combine and coaches ahead of the diner and parlor cars were usually bound
for Bangor, except in the summer time when this train went to Ellsworth, ME. The
diner went between Boston and Portland, the first parlor car went between Boston
and Rockland and the second parlor car went between Boston and Bangor or
Ellsworth, ME.  The MEC coach-smoker went between Boston and Rockland and
possibly some of the remaining coaches because they either went on to Rockland
or only as far as Portland.

The consists certainly varied over time, but this one filmed by Stan Whitney
certainly has class.

Hope this helps.

Tom E. Thompson

--- In BM_RR@yahoogroups.com, msherbak11@... wrote:
>
> Was reading Tom E Thompson's Modelers Notes article about building Walthers
28-1 Parlor into Hemlock.  What would be the starting point for any of the
subject parlors ? How many coaches were in a typical consist of the Kennebec.
> Mike S in Aiken SC
> Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry®
>

Scott

Don't forget you were going to a short write up regarding the photo disks that
you offer. And the same goes for the Springfield Term. item.

Bob


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Hi Mike,

1. The starting point for building Beech is a Walthers HW 28-1 Parlor. The
starting point for Pine, Spruce, Maple, Birch and Elm is a Walthers HW 14
section sleeper. All of these cars need the roof from a Walthers HW 6-3 sleeper.
All but Beech require a round roof car end instead of pedimented. I'll be happy
to provide details on any of these cars.

2. The consist of the Kennebec varied by year and season. What year or timeframe
are you interested in? I like the post 1947 consists with the mix of stainless
steel and heavyweights.

Tom E. Thompson

--- In BM_RR@yahoogroups.com, msherbak11@... wrote:
>
> Was reading Tom E Thompson's Modelers Notes article about building Walthers
28-1 Parlor into Hemlock.  What would be the starting point for any of the
subject parlors ? How many coaches were in a typical consist of the Kennebec.
> Mike S in Aiken SC
> Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry®
>

Outstanding. Thanks.
mjsii

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> msherbak11@... wrote:
> What would be the starting point for any of the subject parlors?

If you look in the Photos section you'll see Tom's outstanding model of this
series of cars he crafted using Walthers components. I'm sure he will provide
specifics.

Prior to this, the traditional route for crafting a model of these cars was to
use the etched-brass sides produced many years ago by Concord Junction and sold
under both the Yankee Clipper label as well by CJ directly. However, be advised
that these and all CJ sides from the past were sized to use a Rivarossi core. We
know now that the Riva models had sides that were somewhat too high compared to
prototype dimensions:

http://home.att.net/~pullmanproject/Riv_Bach_BL_compared.htm

As a result, the old CJ sides can't readily be used with anything other than a
Riva core or they don't come out right.

JSH

Was reading Tom E Thompson's Modelers Notes article about building Walthers 28-1
Parlor into Hemlock.  What would be the starting point for any of the subject
parlors ? How many coaches were in a typical consist of the Kennebec.
Mike S in Aiken SC
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The Greenwod,MA .B&M  depot  (AKA Tomahawk,or Pleasure Island )is available in
HO,S &O scale from Grizzly Mountain Engineering.Check their website for
photos!......Dave Newcomb

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Jim Abbott of Highball Graphics (603)367-8637 is now offering East Wind decals
in HO.  He told me that he has 500 sets for sale at $6.50 each; first come,
first served.  Each set will do at least two cars. When he received the sets
last week, he noticed the baggage car coloring was "off".  The corrected sets
are supposed to be received sometime next week.  Meanwhile, I went ahead and
purchased several of the initial sets (perfect except for the baggage car)to do
all but the baggage car.  I've completed three cars so far and they are
gorgeous.

Jack Kelley

Newport is just ten miles from me in Claremont Junction!

Scooter
--- In BM_RR@yahoogroups.com, "cornbeltroute" <cornbeltroute@...> wrote:
>
> John,
>
> My intention is to move to New England sometime in the next couple of years
(at the moment, I'm looking at Newport, NH). It would be my privilege to meet
new friends who will tell me where to go (railroad-wise  ;-) Thanks!
>
> -Brian
>
> Brian Chapman
> Evansdale, Iowa
>
>
> > Hey, come visit us sometime since you're clearly devoted to some of the
finest country in the USA. With a little planning some of us might even be able
to provide some guided tours...  -John <
>

There was another similarly painted Pacific, # 3681, named "William Dawes, Jr.".
One wonders if yet another may have been considered, Samuel Prescott, as all
three gentlemen shared a similar role in Revolutionary War history.


--- In BM_RR@yahoogroups.com, "Alex" <nhn1757@...> wrote:
>
> I usually try not to kick up old topics, but there is a brass model of the
Paul Revere on ebay in case any were interested in seeing approximately what
colors these engines wore.
>
http://cgi.ebay.com/BRASS-HO-BOSTON-MAINE-B-M-P-2-c-4-6-2-PAUL-REVERE_W0QQitemZ2\
00406783810QQcmdZViewItemQQptZModel_RR_Trains?hash=item2ea92cd742
>
> Alex
>
> --- In BM_RR@yahoogroups.com, "Dwight Smith" <geebud@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi All:
> >
> > Great picture.  It looks like # 3688 to me.
> >
> > Dwight Smith
> >
> >
> > Re: B&M Pacific?
> > Posted by: "Kevin T. Farrell" farrells4@   emsry
> > Tue Mar 17, 2009 4:48 pm (PDT)
> > Hi all: I have a different view of the same locomotive at Billerica shops
about 1925?
> >
> > Kevin Farrell
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: mcindoefalls
> > To: BM_RR@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 9:39 PM
> > Subject: [BM_RR] B&M Pacific?
> >
> > Here's and interesting photo:
> >
> > http://www.nyysa.com/archive/images/1/0/330-0.jpg
> >
> > It's a light B&M Pacific in an interesting paint scheme, lettered "Line of
the Minute Man." Zooming in on the headlight, the number appears to be 3668.
There's also a signature on the cab: Paul Revere?
> >
> > Any idea what the locomotive's colors were?
> >
> > Walt Lankenau
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>

The Paul Revere was one of two Pacifics painted in blue, buff, and red
(striping) done in the early 20's for "special" trains.  The other was #3681,
named William Dawes, Jr.  One wonders if another named Samuel Prescott was
planned or considered, since these three gentlemen all shared a similar page in
American history.  The colors matched the colors of a Revolutionary War
soldier's uniform.  I've been told D&H Avon Blue is a good match.  I mixed my
own buff, making it just off white.  Two others were colorfully painted in that
period, #3686, The Yankee, and #3689, The Flying Yankee, both a two toned green
scheme, apparently to haul the, then, Flying Yankee.

Hi all:  I have just listed several lithographs of B&M equipment from the 1940's
& 1950's  Go to EBAY Item #
130345539154 and check them out.

Kevin Farrell

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The question was about the colors of 3688 - 'Paul Revere' in special
service.

In "Minute Man Steam", pgs. 136-137, it shows a b&w picture of 3688 in
Minute Man livery, and the description states there was special  buff and
blue trim, white tires, and what looks like chromed cylinder heads.  The
other sister engine, "Wm. Dawes, Jr" - 3681 was also painted same way in
Billerica in June 1927.

The "Flying Yankee" engines, 3686 and 3689, were painted similarly in two
tone green, and carried a cast Flying Yankee plaque just under the
headlight.

Bob Foley

I usually try not to kick up old topics, but there is a brass model of the Paul
Revere on ebay in case any were interested in seeing approximately what colors
these engines wore.
http://cgi.ebay.com/BRASS-HO-BOSTON-MAINE-B-M-P-2-c-4-6-2-PAUL-REVERE_W0QQitemZ2\
00406783810QQcmdZViewItemQQptZModel_RR_Trains?hash=item2ea92cd742

Alex

--- In BM_RR@yahoogroups.com, "Dwight Smith" <geebud@...> wrote:
>
> Hi All:
>
> Great picture.  It looks like # 3688 to me.
>
> Dwight Smith
>
>
> Re: B&M Pacific?
> Posted by: "Kevin T. Farrell" farrells4@...   emsry
> Tue Mar 17, 2009 4:48 pm (PDT)
> Hi all: I have a different view of the same locomotive at Billerica shops
about 1925?
>
> Kevin Farrell
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: mcindoefalls
> To: BM_RR@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 9:39 PM
> Subject: [BM_RR] B&M Pacific?
>
> Here's and interesting photo:
>
> http://www.nyysa.com/archive/images/1/0/330-0.jpg
>
> It's a light B&M Pacific in an interesting paint scheme, lettered "Line of the
Minute Man." Zooming in on the headlight, the number appears to be 3668. There's
also a signature on the cab: Paul Revere?
>
> Any idea what the locomotive's colors were?
>
> Walt Lankenau
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

John,

My intention is to move to New England sometime in the next couple of years (at
the moment, I'm looking at Newport, NH). It would be my privilege to meet new
friends who will tell me where to go (railroad-wise  ;-) Thanks!

-Brian

Brian Chapman
Evansdale, Iowa


> Hey, come visit us sometime since you're clearly devoted to some of the finest
country in the USA. With a little planning some of us might even be able to
provide some guided tours...  -John <

I can remember the last time we saw a solid consist of F units in Worcester on
the RW1 /WR2.It was in the winter of 1974-1975. We were out on a Saturday of
Sunday morning in extremely cold weather and
WR2 had an ABB set with 80 to 100 cars.The trains depature time depended on last
nights arrival into Worcester and crew rest. Around 10:00 am the train started
out, we took a few shots and then headed out to to the reservoir in West
Boylston. We walked down through the woods to the frozen ice and snow,then
waited to get the perfect shot. We waited and waited afraid to make a move and
miss the train. After quite some time we chickened out and of course missed the
perfect shot. We found out that because of extreme cold, a good size train and
the worn out units the train stalled on the climb to the summit. It had to
double the hill( there was double track out to the summit in those days),of
course we missed the big show. After that we never saw a solid consist of F
units only  a stray sometimes in a mixed consist.
Ron High
--- In BM_RR@yahoogroups.com, bmbobwarren@... wrote:
>
> Unit was retired 11/79.
>
> Bob
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Dave Poor
Please contact me off list

Mike
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Although there is no new info for this discussion, Arcadia Publishing's "Images
of America" photo book of StJ puts a face on much of what has been talked about
including several yard shots and a long shot of the "new" Purina mill.
And it's a lot cheaper than Nimke.
Dan

Unit was retired 11/79.

Bob


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Not sure what year it was but the last horse was the 4267b on the Conway
Branch gravel job for sure.  I managed a cab ride with the unit in consist.

Of course, the LAST run hasn't been made yet.  Both 4267b and 4266a are
still running.

SJW

----- Original Message -----
From: "George Pitarys" <gspcap@...>
To: <BM_RR@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 17:24
Subject: [BM_RR] F UNITS DEMISE


>I am sure one of you good folks has the date of the last run of a B&M
> F unit, A or B, and wouldn't mind sharing it
>
> It seemed to me that a B unit hung on the gravel job for quite a
> while, but I was working on the CP in northern Maine at the time, so
> dodn't get down that way very often.
>
> The last one I saw was a  B unit in Rigby, and I am trying to
> determine how long they lasted after that shot.
>
> Thanks
>
> George Pitarys
>
>
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>
> BM_RR list shared files and links may be viewed and uploaded at:
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>
>
>

I am sure one of you good folks has the date of the last run of a B&M
F unit, A or B, and wouldn't mind sharing it

It seemed to me that a B unit hung on the gravel job for quite a
while, but I was working on the CP in northern Maine at the time, so
dodn't get down that way very often.

The last one I saw was a  B unit in Rigby, and I am trying to
determine how long they lasted after that shot.

Thanks

George Pitarys

Hey, come visit us sometime since you're clearly devoted
to some of the finest country in the USA. With a little
planning some of us might even be able to provide some
guided tours...

John

John Hutchins, P.O. Box 595, Littleton, MA 01460-0595

--- cornbeltroute@... wrote:

From: "cornbeltroute" <cornbeltroute@...>
To: BM_RR@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [BM_RR] Re: Vermont topography
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 18:39:31 -0000

> A follow-up to my last message (Train size). This topo map shows a mountain
range(?) running down the spine of the state. Does this "range" have a name? <

>> Yup. The Green Mountains. <<

Gee, I've heard of those ;-)

John, thank you for the information. And, this is a good time to thank list
members for tolerating my basic questions about your region of the country. I'll
never catch up to you natives, but, with time, I think I'll develop a good
picture of New England railroading.

-Brian

Brian Chapman
Evansdale, Iowa





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> A follow-up to my last message (Train size). This topo map shows a mountain
range(?) running down the spine of the state. Does this "range" have a name? <

>> Yup. The Green Mountains. <<

Gee, I've heard of those ;-)

John, thank you for the information. And, this is a good time to thank list
members for tolerating my basic questions about your region of the country. I'll
never catch up to you natives, but, with time, I think I'll develop a good
picture of New England railroading.

-Brian

Brian Chapman
Evansdale, Iowa