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#52033 From: Larry M <minnman554212000@...>
Date: Wed Nov 11, 2009 9:55 pm
Subject: Re: The Empire Builder: America's Train Proposal would move Amtrak's popular Glenview, Ill., stop 		minnman55421...
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And where do you propose to put a third track?  Right now that section is all CTC installed in the early 1980's.  That more than serves the purpose.   There are crossovers at Morton Grove, A-20 and Deerfield.  Simply put there is no room for an addiional track in that section.
 
Larry

--- On Wed, 11/11/09, Harvey Kahler <harvey.kahler@...> wrote:

From: Harvey Kahler <harvey.kahler@...>
Subject: Re: [CHICAGOTRANSIT] The Empire Builder: America's Train Proposal would move Amtrak's popular Glenview, Ill., stop
To: CHICAGOTRANSIT@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, November 11, 2009, 12:47 PM

 
The whole idea of modifying stations needs to be put on hold until after a third main is added.  It seems to me that the most critical stretch would extend from Morton Grove to Deerfield in order of express distance. 
North Glenview is not very walkable with the Children's Museum and other destinations 0.7 mile or more away from the station.
Pedestrian underpasses, not to diminish the construction problem, would be easier for passengers to cross the tracks safely.

--- On Wed, 11/11/09, Adam H. Kerman <ahk@...> wrote:

From: Adam H. Kerman <ahk@...>
Subject: Re: [CHICAGOTRANSIT] The Empire Builder: America's Train Proposal would move Amtrak's popular Glenview, Ill., stop
To: CHICAGOTRANSIT@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Wednesday, November 11, 2009, 11:56 AM

 
I just spoke to the Glenview village manager.

This project is being driven by Metra's fear of lawsuits.

The guy said that the village only wanted to build a new passenger waiting
shelter for the northbound platform at North Glenview, which triggered a
cascade of lack of common sense.

Too many riders are cutting in front of trains, so they wanted to build a
shelter where they think passengers would be discouraged from doing this.
Metra wants the pedestrian grade crossing relocated instead. Metra also
wants the platforms relocated, about 25 feet. Can't just be extended. They
must be replaced. There are new handicapped access standards.

Because this is where the Naval Air Station had been, there never were
highway grade crossings. Willow Road is on an overpass, but it's a
significant distance north, so not much point in having stairs to the
highway deck for a bus connection.

North Glenview has space for a ticket agency, but it wasn't built out. This
will trigger the buildout. It also puts the agency on the inbound side,
versus Amtrak passengers boarding outbound. There are inbound boarding
restrictions. I don't know if the agency would be shared between Metra and
Amtrak. Glenview would get a Metra ticket agent, on the outbound side even
though most boarding is inbound.

North Glenview now requires a baggage room.

Improvements at one station would cost the same as improvements at the other
station. 18 months ago, the village did a traffic study of Glenview Road
that 45 minutes a day of congestion could be saved if Amtrak were relocated.

I pointed out that it's midday, so not really all that significant. I also
tried to point out that the only way to save significant congestion is to
move the rush hour express trains with the largest boardings to North
Glenview, but that would lose ridership.

If that's the logic being applied to the Hiawathas, then the same logic
applies to the commuter trains. You can see what the inevitable result would
be.

Dennis, I had the same thought about parking as you, but the village manager
didn't raise the issue.


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#52032 From: Larry M <minnman554212000@...>
Date: Wed Nov 11, 2009 9:53 pm
Subject: Re: The Empire Builder: America's Train Proposal would move Amtrak's popular Glenview, Ill., stop 		minnman55421...
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I have seen commuters walk in front of the locmotive and cross the opposite track without a concern.  There have been commuters killed on the three tracks of the BNSF for the very same reason.  Doesn't Glenview and other stations have a fence between the tracks with a single crossover that has at least a warning bell and flashing signals.  Good grief, that's a lot cheaper.  The new Northstar stations have a fence that makes it impossible to cross that very busy line at all staions.  The only station with a crossover is Coon Rapdis and that is similar to Sturtevant - high over the tracks.  I also thought there was a rule that any approaching train woujld have to stop and wait for the other train to clear the station.  The new Fridley statoin has a tunnel under the tracks.
 
 
L.

--- On Wed, 11/11/09, Adam H. Kerman <ahk@...> wrote:

From: Adam H. Kerman <ahk@...>
Subject: Re: [CHICAGOTRANSIT] The Empire Builder: America's Train Proposal would move Amtrak's popular Glenview, Ill., stop
To: CHICAGOTRANSIT@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, November 11, 2009, 11:56 AM

 
I just spoke to the Glenview village manager.

This project is being driven by Metra's fear of lawsuits.

The guy said that the village only wanted to build a new passenger waiting
shelter for the northbound platform at North Glenview, which triggered a
cascade of lack of common sense.

Too many riders are cutting in front of trains, so they wanted to build a
shelter where they think passengers would be discouraged from doing this.
Metra wants the pedestrian grade crossing relocated instead. Metra also
wants the platforms relocated, about 25 feet. Can't just be extended. They
must be replaced. There are new handicapped access standards.

Because this is where the Naval Air Station had been, there never were
highway grade crossings. Willow Road is on an overpass, but it's a
significant distance north, so not much point in having stairs to the
highway deck for a bus connection.

North Glenview has space for a ticket agency, but it wasn't built out. This
will trigger the buildout. It also puts the agency on the inbound side,
versus Amtrak passengers boarding outbound. There are inbound boarding
restrictions. I don't know if the agency would be shared between Metra and
Amtrak. Glenview would get a Metra ticket agent, on the outbound side even
though most boarding is inbound.

North Glenview now requires a baggage room.

Improvements at one station would cost the same as improvements at the other
station. 18 months ago, the village did a traffic study of Glenview Road
that 45 minutes a day of congestion could be saved if Amtrak were relocated.

I pointed out that it's midday, so not really all that significant. I also
tried to point out that the only way to save significant congestion is to
move the rush hour express trains with the largest boardings to North
Glenview, but that would lose ridership.

If that's the logic being applied to the Hiawathas, then the same logic
applies to the commuter trains. You can see what the inevitable result would
be.

Dennis, I had the same thought about parking as you, but the village manager
didn't raise the issue.


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#52031 From: Larry M <minnman554212000@...>
Date: Wed Nov 11, 2009 9:46 pm
Subject: Re: The Empire Builder: America's Train Proposal would move Amtrak's popular Glenview, Ill., stop 		minnman55421...
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Unless things changed the platforms on both sides of the track went up to Glenview Ave and, for that matter, may have gone south as well.  I will have to check some of my photos taken at that time.

--- On Wed, 11/11/09, Harvey Kahler <harvey.kahler@...> wrote:

From: Harvey Kahler <harvey.kahler@...>
Subject: Re: [CHICAGOTRANSIT] The Empire Builder: America's Train Proposal would move Amtrak's popular Glenview, Ill., stop
To: CHICAGOTRANSIT@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, November 11, 2009, 11:49 AM

 
The platforms seem to extend to the Glenview Rd crossing on old, pre-reconstruction slides.

--- On Wed, 11/11/09, Adam H. Kerman <ahk@...> wrote:

From: Adam H. Kerman <ahk@...>
Subject: Re: [CHICAGOTRANSIT] The Empire Builder: America's Train Proposal would move Amtrak's popular Glenview, Ill., stop
To: CHICAGOTRANSIT@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Wednesday, November 11, 2009, 10:42 AM

 
At 10:16am -0000, 11/11/09, Harvey Kahler <harvey.kahler@ att.net> wrote:

>Actually the platforms stretch farther north to allow a couple hundred feet
>to allow for a crossing restart for eb Metra.

I do not deny that the platforms were extended north, but they were extended
south toward Glenview Road. They used to stop short of the grade crossing by
a few hundred feet.


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#52030 From: Larry M <minnman554212000@...>
Date: Wed Nov 11, 2009 9:40 pm
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Parking has always been a problem even prior to Amtrak.  Somehow it was good enough then.  I do not see the justification based on that rationale to have Amtrak's stop moved furhter north.  I can remember when either the AM or PM Hiawatha would arrive the number of cars parked along the street and at the station but as I said, it worked. 
 
Larry

--- On Wed, 11/11/09, Dennis McClendon <dennismcclendon@...> wrote:

From: Dennis McClendon <dennismcclendon@...>
Subject: Re: [CHICAGOTRANSIT] The Empire Builder: America's Train Proposal would move Amtrak's popular Glenview, Ill., stop
To: CHICAGOTRANSIT@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, November 11, 2009, 10:26 AM

 
Isn't a more likely rationale that Amtrak patrons can park in The
Glen, which they cannot easily do in downtown Glenview?

:::::::::::: ::::::::: ::::::::: :::::::
Dennis McClendon
dennismcclendon@ gmail.com



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#52029 From: "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@...>
Date: Wed Nov 11, 2009 6:53 pm
Subject: Re: The Empire Builder: America's Train Proposal would move Amtrak's popular Glenview, Ill., stop 		ahkatchinetd...
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At 12:47pm -0000, 11/11/09, Harvey Kahler <harvey.kahler@...> wrote:

>The whole idea of modifying stations needs to be put on hold until after a
>third main is added. It seems to me that the most critical stretch would
>extend from Morton Grove to Deerfield in order of express distance.

Harvey, that utterly changes the subject, so let's not in this thread.

>North Glenview is not very walkable with the Children's Museum and other
>destinations 0.7 mile or more away from the station.

It's next to a large water retention pond, which cuts it off from a direct
walk from a lot of the residential area. I don't know why they couldn't have
put water retention some place else.

>Pedestrian underpasses, not to diminish the construction problem, would be
>easier for passengers to cross the tracks safely.

I am generally in favor of frequent pedestrian underpasses.

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#52028 From: Harvey Kahler <harvey.kahler@...>
Date: Wed Nov 11, 2009 6:47 pm
Subject: Re: The Empire Builder: America's Train Proposal would move Amtrak's popular Glenview, Ill., stop 		hkahler400
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The whole idea of modifying stations needs to be put on hold until after a third main is added.  It seems to me that the most critical stretch would extend from Morton Grove to Deerfield in order of express distance. 
North Glenview is not very walkable with the Children's Museum and other destinations 0.7 mile or more away from the station.
Pedestrian underpasses, not to diminish the construction problem, would be easier for passengers to cross the tracks safely.

--- On Wed, 11/11/09, Adam H. Kerman <ahk@...> wrote:

From: Adam H. Kerman <ahk@...>
Subject: Re: [CHICAGOTRANSIT] The Empire Builder: America's Train Proposal would move Amtrak's popular Glenview, Ill., stop
To: CHICAGOTRANSIT@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, November 11, 2009, 11:56 AM

 

I just spoke to the Glenview village manager.

This project is being driven by Metra's fear of lawsuits.

The guy said that the village only wanted to build a new passenger waiting
shelter for the northbound platform at North Glenview, which triggered a
cascade of lack of common sense.

Too many riders are cutting in front of trains, so they wanted to build a
shelter where they think passengers would be discouraged from doing this.
Metra wants the pedestrian grade crossing relocated instead. Metra also
wants the platforms relocated, about 25 feet. Can't just be extended. They
must be replaced. There are new handicapped access standards.

Because this is where the Naval Air Station had been, there never were
highway grade crossings. Willow Road is on an overpass, but it's a
significant distance north, so not much point in having stairs to the
highway deck for a bus connection.

North Glenview has space for a ticket agency, but it wasn't built out. This
will trigger the buildout. It also puts the agency on the inbound side,
versus Amtrak passengers boarding outbound. There are inbound boarding
restrictions. I don't know if the agency would be shared between Metra and
Amtrak. Glenview would get a Metra ticket agent, on the outbound side even
though most boarding is inbound.

North Glenview now requires a baggage room.

Improvements at one station would cost the same as improvements at the other
station. 18 months ago, the village did a traffic study of Glenview Road
that 45 minutes a day of congestion could be saved if Amtrak were relocated.

I pointed out that it's midday, so not really all that significant. I also
tried to point out that the only way to save significant congestion is to
move the rush hour express trains with the largest boardings to North
Glenview, but that would lose ridership.

If that's the logic being applied to the Hiawathas, then the same logic
applies to the commuter trains. You can see what the inevitable result would
be.

Dennis, I had the same thought about parking as you, but the village manager
didn't raise the issue.


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#52027 From: "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@...>
Date: Wed Nov 11, 2009 6:32 pm
Subject: Re: The Empire Builder: America's Train Proposal would move Amtrak's popular Glenview, Ill., stop 		ahkatchinetd...
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At 11:49am -0000, 11/11/09, Harvey Kahler <harvey.kahler@...> wrote:

>The platforms seem to extend to the Glenview Rd crossing on old,
>pre-reconstruction slides.

I can tell you from personal experience that they didn't.

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#52026 From: "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@...>
Date: Wed Nov 11, 2009 5:56 pm
Subject: Re: The Empire Builder: America's Train Proposal would move Amtrak's popular Glenview, Ill., stop 		ahkatchinetd...
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I just spoke to the Glenview village manager.

This project is being driven by Metra's fear of lawsuits.

The guy said that the village only wanted to build a new passenger waiting
shelter for the northbound platform at North Glenview, which triggered a
cascade of lack of common sense.

Too many riders are cutting in front of trains, so they wanted to build a
shelter where they think passengers would be discouraged from doing this.
Metra wants the pedestrian grade crossing relocated instead. Metra also
wants the platforms relocated, about 25 feet. Can't just be extended. They
must be replaced. There are new handicapped access standards.

Because this is where the Naval Air Station had been, there never were
highway grade crossings. Willow Road is on an overpass, but it's a
significant distance north, so not much point in having stairs to the
highway deck for a bus connection.

North Glenview has space for a ticket agency, but it wasn't built out. This
will trigger the buildout. It also puts the agency on the inbound side,
versus Amtrak passengers boarding outbound. There are inbound boarding
restrictions. I don't know if the agency would be shared between Metra and
Amtrak. Glenview would get a Metra ticket agent, on the outbound side even
though most boarding is inbound.

North Glenview now requires a baggage room.

Improvements at one station would cost the same as improvements at the other
station. 18 months ago, the village did a traffic study of Glenview Road
that 45 minutes a day of congestion could be saved if Amtrak were relocated.

I pointed out that it's midday, so not really all that significant. I also
tried to point out that the only way to save significant congestion is to
move the rush hour express trains with the largest boardings to North
Glenview, but that would lose ridership.

If that's the logic being applied to the Hiawathas, then the same logic
applies to the commuter trains. You can see what the inevitable result would
be.

Dennis, I had the same thought about parking as you, but the village manager
didn't raise the issue.

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#52025 From: Harvey Kahler <harvey.kahler@...>
Date: Wed Nov 11, 2009 5:49 pm
Subject: Re: The Empire Builder: America's Train Proposal would move Amtrak's popular Glenview, Ill., stop 		hkahler400
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The platforms seem to extend to the Glenview Rd crossing on old, pre-reconstruction slides.

--- On Wed, 11/11/09, Adam H. Kerman <ahk@...> wrote:

From: Adam H. Kerman <ahk@...>
Subject: Re: [CHICAGOTRANSIT] The Empire Builder: America's Train Proposal would move Amtrak's popular Glenview, Ill., stop
To: CHICAGOTRANSIT@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, November 11, 2009, 10:42 AM

 

At 10:16am -0000, 11/11/09, Harvey Kahler <harvey.kahler@ att.net> wrote:

>Actually the platforms stretch farther north to allow a couple hundred feet
>to allow for a crossing restart for eb Metra.

I do not deny that the platforms were extended north, but they were extended
south toward Glenview Road. They used to stop short of the grade crossing by
a few hundred feet.


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#52024 From: Harvey Kahler <harvey.kahler@...>
Date: Wed Nov 11, 2009 5:39 pm
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That's a point; but still, Lake-Cook is more desirable from the standpoint of a larger destination for potential Wisconsin commuters.

--- On Wed, 11/11/09, Dennis McClendon <dennismcclendon@...> wrote:

From: Dennis McClendon <dennismcclendon@...>
Subject: Re: [CHICAGOTRANSIT] The Empire Builder: America's Train Proposal would move Amtrak's popular Glenview, Ill., stop
To: CHICAGOTRANSIT@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, November 11, 2009, 10:26 AM

 

Isn't a more likely rationale that Amtrak patrons can park in The
Glen, which they cannot easily do in downtown Glenview?

:::::::::::: ::::::::: ::::::::: :::::::
Dennis McClendon
dennismcclendon@ gmail.com


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#52023 From: "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@...>
Date: Wed Nov 11, 2009 4:46 pm
Subject: Re: The Empire Builder: America's Train Proposal would move Amtrak's popular Glenview, Ill., stop 		ahkatchinetd...
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At 10:26am -0000, 11/11/09, Dennis McClendon <dennismcclendon@...> wrote:

>Isn't a more likely rationale that Amtrak patrons can park in The
>Glen, which they cannot easily do in downtown Glenview?

That's possible, but why would they not say so?

North Glenview doesn't have a ticket agency, for good reason. North Glenview
doesn't have a baggage room, for good reason. This is going to raise
operating costs and waste capital unnecessarily.

I think the real reason is it's Glenview's continuing effort to abandon
downtown and move the entire village to the Naval Air Station. They moved
the post office and they tried to move the library, but residents objected.

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#52022 From: "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@...>
Date: Wed Nov 11, 2009 4:42 pm
Subject: Re: The Empire Builder: America's Train Proposal would move Amtrak's popular Glenview, Ill., stop 		ahkatchinetd...
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At 10:16am -0000, 11/11/09, Harvey Kahler <harvey.kahler@...> wrote:

>Actually the platforms stretch farther north to allow a couple hundred feet
>to allow for a crossing restart for eb Metra.

I do not deny that the platforms were extended north, but they were extended
south toward Glenview Road. They used to stop short of the grade crossing by
a few hundred feet.

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#52021 From: Dennis McClendon <dennismcclendon@...>
Date: Wed Nov 11, 2009 4:26 pm
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Isn't a more likely rationale that Amtrak patrons can park in The
Glen, which they cannot easily do in downtown Glenview?

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Dennis McClendon
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#52020 From: Harvey Kahler <harvey.kahler@...>
Date: Wed Nov 11, 2009 4:16 pm
Subject: Re: The Empire Builder: America's Train Proposal would move Amtrak's popular Glenview, Ill., stop 		hkahler400
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Actually the platforms stretch farther north to allow a couple hundred feet to allow for a crossing restart for eb Metra.  While the eb 'Builder is only slightly longer, the locomotives and baggage are in front.  The shorter Hiawatha's do not pose a problem. 

--- On Wed, 11/11/09, Adam H. Kerman <ahk@...> wrote:

From: Adam H. Kerman <ahk@...>
Subject: Re: [CHICAGOTRANSIT] The Empire Builder: America's Train Proposal would move Amtrak's popular Glenview, Ill., stop
To: CHICAGOTRANSIT@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, November 11, 2009, 12:36 AM

 

At 12:29am -0000, 11/11/09, Larry M <minnman554212000@ yahoo.com> wrote:

>Oh darn! The poor people have to wait for the train to clear the crossing.
>Having worked GV for a while and also observed AM8 and AM7 I always thought
>the train cleared Glenview Road heading westbound and the gates
>automatically went back up after a certain time to permit traffic to cross
>the tracks until the train started moving again for the eastbound Builder.

That happens eastbound, actually. The circuit cannot tell if the train is
slowing down to berth or simply traveling at a slow speed, so the gates go
down, then rise again if the train has berthed. It's nothing to do with
Amtrak.

Wouldn't it be cheaper to lengthen the existing long platform at Glenview
rather than replace the BRAND NEW PLATFORM at North Glenview? That would
solve the problem, jeeze.

Hiawathas function like commuter trains, so we are talking about a problem
with a pair of trains a day.

>The only time I recall Glenview Road being blocked might have been
>pre-Superliner where 18 car trains were the norm during the summer. Isn't
>the new station at GV north of the previous location?

Yes, but the platforms were extended closer to Glenview Road.


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#52019 From: Harvey Kahler <harvey.kahler@...>
Date: Wed Nov 11, 2009 3:51 pm
Subject: Re: Fwd: The Empire Builder: America's Train Proposal would move Amtrak's popular Glenview, Ill., stop 		hkahler400
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This is a bad idea:
  • Only two connecting Pace routes instead of five.
  • Glenview a stop for connections to inner suburban and City stops.
  • The 'Builder comes through only once eastbound where the length of leading locomotives and baggage car are an issue that is I think highly exaggerated.
  • If the Glenview stop is unwelcome; move it to Lake-Cook.  Saving Glenview while providing service to Lake-Cook was problematic. 

--- On Wed, 11/11/09, Eric Pancer <epancer@...> wrote:

From: Eric Pancer <epancer@...>
Subject: [CHICAGOTRANSIT] Fwd: The Empire Builder: America's Train Proposal would move Amtrak's popular Glenview, Ill., stop
To: "Chicago Transit" <CHICAGOTRANSIT@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Wednesday, November 11, 2009, 12:12 AM

 

This, as seen on the Empire Builder mailing list, may be of interest.  I assume they mean moving it to The Glen?

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\Date: Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 20:42
Subject: The Empire Builder: America's Train Proposal would move Amtrak's popular Glenview, Ill., stop
To: EmpireBuilder@ yahoogroups. com

Proposal would move Amtrak's popular Glenview, Ill., stop
Published: Tuesday, November 10, 2009

CHICAGO — Amtrak has agreed to move its north-suburban Chicago stop from
downtown Glenview and instead stop north of town, the Chicago Sun-Times has
reported. Local leaders are pushing for the change to cut back on delays at
local crossings, as Amtrak trains block them while they take on and discharge
passengers.

Amtrak's seven daily Chicago-Milwaukee Hiawatha round trips, plus its
once-daily Chicago-Seattle Empire Builder round trip, currently make the stop.
Under the plan, Metra commuter trains would continue to stop downtown, while the
Amtrak trains would instead stop at the Glen of North Glenview stop.

State Sen. Jeff Schoenberg has lined up an earmark to pay for the changes,
while local governments will have to pitch in as well. If an agreement can be
reached, work could begin next spring.
--from the All-Aboard list
Mark Meyer


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#52018 From: Larry M <minnman554212000@...>
Date: Wed Nov 11, 2009 3:45 pm
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I suppose the poor drivers don't complain if the eastbound commuter trains keep the gates down.  I am not sure why the platforms were moved closer to Glenview Road.  I thought they were always extended to Glenview Road when I when I lived in the area.  You are correct though the only Amtrak trains of consequence are the Builders.  They're usually two to three locomotives and 9 or 10 cars including a baggage car.  Extending the platforms make far more sense than moving the stop north. If they wish to spend money on Amtrak how about a second Chicago to Twin Cities train or better yet, do that and bring back the North Coast Hiawatha. 
 
It almost sounds like the cry babies are of the same stock as those in Barrington who made the big deal over the CN.  It appears that that went no where.  Hopefully the same for the Glenview people as well.  Or at the very least offer them a crying towel.
 
Larry



From: Adam H. Kerman <ahk@...>
Subject: Re: [CHICAGOTRANSIT] The Empire Builder: America's Train Proposal would move Amtrak's popular Glenview, Ill., stop
To: CHICAGOTRANSIT@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, November 11, 2009, 12:36 AM

 
At 12:29am -0000, 11/11/09, Larry M <minnman554212000@ yahoo.com> wrote:

>Oh darn! The poor people have to wait for the train to clear the crossing.
>Having worked GV for a while and also observed AM8 and AM7 I always thought
>the train cleared Glenview Road heading westbound and the gates
>automatically went back up after a certain time to permit traffic to cross
>the tracks until the train started moving again for the eastbound Builder.

That happens eastbound, actually. The circuit cannot tell if the train is
slowing down to berth or simply traveling at a slow speed, so the gates go
down, then rise again if the train has berthed. It's nothing to do with
Amtrak.

Wouldn't it be cheaper to lengthen the existing long platform at Glenview
rather than replace the BRAND NEW PLATFORM at North Glenview? That would
solve the problem, jeeze.

Hiawathas function like commuter trains, so we are talking about a problem
with a pair of trains a day.

>The only time I recall Glenview Road being blocked might have been
>pre-Superliner where 18 car trains were the norm during the summer. Isn't
>the new station at GV north of the previous location?

Yes, but the platforms were extended closer to Glenview Road.


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#52017 From: timothius2002 <hschill924@...>
Date: Wed Nov 11, 2009 1:25 pm
Subject: Re: Fwd: The Empire Builder: America's Train Proposal would move Amtrak's popular Glenview, Ill., stop 		timothius2002
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So I won't be able to get ice cream anymore on a whistle stop wait between Metra
and Amtrak trains, eh?  Sprinkles!

~ Tim

-----Original Message-----

From: Dorron Katzin

Sent: Nov 11, 2009 1:14 AM

To: CHICAGOTRANSIT@yahoogroups.com

Subject: Re: [CHICAGOTRANSIT] Fwd: The Empire Builder: America's Train  Proposal
would move Amtrak's popular Glenview, Ill., stop

There may be a long enough stretch with no grade crossing (around Willow Road)
so no gates have to be down while the train stops.


On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 00:12, Eric Pancer <epancer@...> wrote:

     This, as seen on the Empire Builder mailing list, may be of interest.  I
assume they mean moving it to The Glen?

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Subject: The Empire Builder: America's Train Proposal would move Amtrak's
popular Glenview, Ill., stop
To: EmpireBuilder@yahoogroups.com


Proposal would move Amtrak's popular Glenview, Ill., stop
Published:
Tuesday, November 10, 2009

CHICAGO — Amtrak has agreed to move its north-suburban Chicago stop
from
downtown Glenview and instead stop north of town, the Chicago Sun-Times
has
reported. Local leaders are pushing for the change to cut back on delays
at
local crossings, as Amtrak trains block them while they take on and
discharge
passengers.

Amtrak's seven daily Chicago-Milwaukee Hiawatha
round trips, plus its
once-daily Chicago-Seattle Empire Builder round trip,
currently make the stop.
Under the plan, Metra commuter trains would continue
to stop downtown, while the
Amtrak trains would instead stop at the Glen of
North Glenview stop.

State Sen. Jeff Schoenberg has lined up an earmark
to pay for the changes,
while local governments will have to pitch in as
well. If an agreement can be
reached, work could begin next spring.

--from the All-Aboard list
Mark Meyer

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#52016 From: "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@...>
Date: Wed Nov 11, 2009 6:36 am
Subject: Re: The Empire Builder: America's Train Proposal would move Amtrak's popular Glenview, Ill., stop 		ahkatchinetd...
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At 12:29am -0000, 11/11/09, Larry M <minnman554212000@...> wrote:

>Oh darn! The poor people have to wait for the train to clear the crossing.
>Having worked GV for a while and also observed AM8 and AM7 I always thought
>the train cleared Glenview Road heading westbound and the gates
>automatically went back up after a certain time to permit traffic to cross
>the tracks until the train started moving again for the eastbound Builder.

That happens eastbound, actually. The circuit cannot tell if the train is
slowing down to berth or simply traveling at a slow speed, so the gates go
down, then rise again if the train has berthed. It's nothing to do with
Amtrak.

Wouldn't it be cheaper to lengthen the existing long platform at Glenview
rather than replace the BRAND NEW PLATFORM at North Glenview? That would
solve the problem, jeeze.

Hiawathas function like commuter trains, so we are talking about a problem
with a pair of trains a day.

>The only time I recall Glenview Road being blocked might have been
>pre-Superliner where 18 car trains were the norm during the summer. Isn't
>the new station at GV north of the previous location?

Yes, but the platforms were extended closer to Glenview Road.

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#52015 From: Larry M <minnman554212000@...>
Date: Wed Nov 11, 2009 6:29 am
Subject: Re: Fwd: The Empire Builder: America's Train Proposal would move Amtrak's popular Glenview, Ill., stop 		minnman55421...
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Oh darn!  The poor people have to wait for the train to clear the crossing.  Having worked GV for a while and also observed AM8 and AM7 I always thought the train cleared Glenview Road heading westbound and the gates automatically went back up after a certain time to permit traffic to cross the tracks until the train started moving again for the eastbound Builder. The only time I recall Glenview Road being blocked might have been pre-Superliner where 18 car trains were the norm during the summer.  Isn't the new station at GV north of the previous location?    Might it not be easier to re-adjust the gate circuitry to remedy the issue?  As for the "Hiawatha" service I don't even see how they could keep the gates down eastbound provided the crossing has that same delay feature mentioned before.
 
Larry


--- On Wed, 11/11/09, Eric Pancer <epancer@...> wrote:

From: Eric Pancer <epancer@...>
Subject: [CHICAGOTRANSIT] Fwd: The Empire Builder: America's Train Proposal would move Amtrak's popular Glenview, Ill., stop
To: "Chicago Transit" <CHICAGOTRANSIT@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Wednesday, November 11, 2009, 12:12 AM

 
This, as seen on the Empire Builder mailing list, may be of interest.  I assume they mean moving it to The Glen?

---------- Forwarded message ----------
\Date: Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 20:42
Subject: The Empire Builder: America's Train Proposal would move Amtrak's popular Glenview, Ill., stop
To: EmpireBuilder@ yahoogroups. com

Proposal would move Amtrak's popular Glenview, Ill., stop
Published: Tuesday, November 10, 2009

CHICAGO — Amtrak has agreed to move its north-suburban Chicago stop from
downtown Glenview and instead stop north of town, the Chicago Sun-Times has
reported. Local leaders are pushing for the change to cut back on delays at
local crossings, as Amtrak trains block them while they take on and discharge
passengers.

Amtrak's seven daily Chicago-Milwaukee Hiawatha round trips, plus its
once-daily Chicago-Seattle Empire Builder round trip, currently make the stop.
Under the plan, Metra commuter trains would continue to stop downtown, while the
Amtrak trains would instead stop at the Glen of North Glenview stop.

State Sen. Jeff Schoenberg has lined up an earmark to pay for the changes,
while local governments will have to pitch in as well. If an agreement can be
reached, work could begin next spring.
--from the All-Aboard list
Mark Meyer



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#52014 From: Dorron Katzin <dakatzin@...>
Date: Wed Nov 11, 2009 6:14 am
Subject: Re: Fwd: The Empire Builder: America's Train Proposal would move Amtrak's popular Glenview, Ill., stop 		dakatzin
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There may be a long enough stretch with no grade crossing (around Willow Road) so no gates have to be down while the train stops.


On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 00:12, Eric Pancer <epancer@...> wrote:
 

This, as seen on the Empire Builder mailing list, may be of interest.  I assume they mean moving it to The Glen?

---------- Forwarded message ----------
\Date: Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 20:42
Subject: The Empire Builder: America's Train Proposal would move Amtrak's popular Glenview, Ill., stop
To: EmpireBuilder@yahoogroups.com

Proposal would move Amtrak's popular Glenview, Ill., stop
Published: Tuesday, November 10, 2009

CHICAGO — Amtrak has agreed to move its north-suburban Chicago stop from
downtown Glenview and instead stop north of town, the Chicago Sun-Times has
reported. Local leaders are pushing for the change to cut back on delays at
local crossings, as Amtrak trains block them while they take on and discharge
passengers.

Amtrak's seven daily Chicago-Milwaukee Hiawatha round trips, plus its
once-daily Chicago-Seattle Empire Builder round trip, currently make the stop.
Under the plan, Metra commuter trains would continue to stop downtown, while the
Amtrak trains would instead stop at the Glen of North Glenview stop.

State Sen. Jeff Schoenberg has lined up an earmark to pay for the changes,
while local governments will have to pitch in as well. If an agreement can be
reached, work could begin next spring.
--from the All-Aboard list
Mark Meyer



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#52013 From: Eric Pancer <epancer@...>
Date: Wed Nov 11, 2009 6:12 am
Subject: Fwd: The Empire Builder: America's Train Proposal would move Amtrak's popular Glenview, Ill., stop 		vxla
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This, as seen on the Empire Builder mailing list, may be of interest.  I assume they mean moving it to The Glen?

---------- Forwarded message ----------
\Date: Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 20:42
Subject: The Empire Builder: America's Train Proposal would move Amtrak's popular Glenview, Ill., stop
To: EmpireBuilder@yahoogroups.com

Proposal would move Amtrak's popular Glenview, Ill., stop
Published: Tuesday, November 10, 2009

CHICAGO — Amtrak has agreed to move its north-suburban Chicago stop from
downtown Glenview and instead stop north of town, the Chicago Sun-Times has
reported. Local leaders are pushing for the change to cut back on delays at
local crossings, as Amtrak trains block them while they take on and discharge
passengers.

Amtrak's seven daily Chicago-Milwaukee Hiawatha round trips, plus its
once-daily Chicago-Seattle Empire Builder round trip, currently make the stop.
Under the plan, Metra commuter trains would continue to stop downtown, while the
Amtrak trains would instead stop at the Glen of North Glenview stop.

State Sen. Jeff Schoenberg has lined up an earmark to pay for the changes,
while local governments will have to pitch in as well. If an agreement can be
reached, work could begin next spring.
--from the All-Aboard list
Mark Meyer


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#52012 From: Larry M <minnman554212000@...>
Date: Wed Nov 11, 2009 5:07 am
Subject: Re: OT BOSTON Woman Nearly Hit on subway tracks. 		minnman55421...
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It's stories like this that we all too often do not see.  The "T" has been plagued with severe financial problems necessitating either can celling or postponing major projects.  The Green Line extension to Somerville and Medford may not see completing until 2020 instead of 2014.  A fail-safe signal system must be put in at least between North Station and Kenmore where trains run on a very close headway during rush hour.  The multiple accidents including the fatality near Waban has also created issues in that regard.  So when something like this happens it is a very positive action that not only shows teamwork between employees but the quick thinking of the operator on the Orange Line.  After seeing the video that woman is lucky she did not get fried by the 3rd rail.  It looked like she was very close to it.  Lucky for the woman that there were people that saw it happen as well as a CA who had a radio and was able to advise the operator on the approaching train.
 
Good work!
 
Larry

--- On Tue, 11/10/09, Frank Kennedy <capofrank@...> wrote:

From: Frank Kennedy <capofrank@...>
Subject: [CHICAGOTRANSIT] OT BOSTON Woman Nearly Hit on subway tracks.
To: CHICAGOTRANSIT@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, November 10, 2009, 6:54 PM

 
Boston woman nearly hit on subway tracks.

http://www.huffingt onpost.com/ 2009/11/10/ boston-woman- nearly-hit- o_n_352058. html

A drunk woman fell off a train platform in Boston, narrowly escaping
serious injury as fellow passengers signaled the approaching train to
stop.

The train conductor, 27 year-old Charice Lewis, first noticed the
people at the station waving frantically, then saw the body of the
unidentified woman lying helplessly on the tracks.

"As I'm approaching, the lady pops her head up. And I'm like, 'Oh my
God, someone's in the pit,'" Lewis said. "So I just threw it in
emergency, just like I'm supposed to do, and it stopped just in time
not to hit her."



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#52011 From: Frank Kennedy <capofrank@...>
Date: Wed Nov 11, 2009 12:54 am
Subject: OT BOSTON Woman Nearly Hit on subway tracks. 		capofrank
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Boston woman nearly hit on subway tracks.



http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/11/10/boston-woman-nearly-hit-o_n_352058.html


A drunk woman fell off a train platform in Boston, narrowly escaping
serious injury as fellow passengers signaled the approaching train to
stop.

The train conductor, 27 year-old Charice Lewis, first noticed the
people at the station waving frantically, then saw the body of the
unidentified woman lying helplessly on the tracks.

"As I'm approaching, the lady pops her head up. And I'm like, 'Oh my
God, someone's in the pit,'" Lewis said. "So I just threw it in
emergency, just like I'm supposed to do, and it stopped just in time
not to hit her."

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#52010 From: clayton mclean <claytonmcln@...>
Date: Mon Nov 9, 2009 10:07 am
Subject: Re: Re: 'The train took my baby,' mom screams as stroller is dragged November 3, 2009 8:03 AM 		claytonmcln
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If one considers the CTA rail system as a kind of giant spinning cylinder in an ersatz tort lottery, here's my perspective:  In approximately 55 years and literally millions of miles(far more than I put on my many automobiles)on the 'L,' I saw exactly ONE incident -- a "jumper" at the Roosevelt Road subway station when I was 13 or 14. In all of that time, I saw no collisions, no derailments or anything -- save for my backpack incident in 2003, which  I recalled in a recent post near the beginning of this thread.
 
My point is this: I never won the Illinois State Lottery either, but people keep insisting that it is happening. Never having been involved in any of the things I have read and heard about over so many years on the 'L,' is my life some sort of  mathematical anomaly?
 
Aren't I breaking some laws of averages? 
 
C
 
 
  On Sun, 11/8/09, Frank Kennedy <capofrank@...> wrote:

From: Frank Kennedy <capofrank@...>
Subject: Re: [CHICAGOTRANSIT] Re: 'The train took my baby,' mom screams as stroller is dragged November 3, 2009 8:03 AM
To: CHICAGOTRANSIT@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, November 8, 2009, 11:14 PM

 
The woman was standing next to the driver...she was pointing to her
glasses amd these bulbous lenses had popped out. She claimed that the
high speed door had distressed her glasses to the point to where the
lenses no longer would fit. The driver looked like he had a thousand
things on his mind, mainly CTA related, and that this woman was not
going to receive restitution.

On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 11:29:16 -0800 (PST), Larry M
<minnman554212000@ yahoo.com> wrote:

>Frank,  I am not going to even touch that one!  Was she wearing her glasses when this happened
> 
>Larry
>
>--- On Fri, 11/6/09, Frank Kennedy <capofrank@att. net> wrote:
>
>
>From: Frank Kennedy <capofrank@att. net>
>Subject: Re: [CHICAGOTRANSIT] Re: 'The train took my baby,' mom screams as stroller is dragged November 3, 2009 8:03 AM
>To: CHICAGOTRANSIT@ yahoogroups. com
>Date: Friday, November 6, 2009, 12:41 AM
>
>
> 
>
>
>
>I was at the end of the Brown Line, one time, watching a woman
>complain to the driver, who was preparing the train for the return
>route, that her glasses were caught in what she complained to be an
>overly-fast door. I could see the lens had popped out.
>

>
>
>


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#52009 From: "ajkristopans" <ajk100@...>
Date: Mon Nov 9, 2009 8:25 am
Subject: Metra cars to General Iron 		ajkristopans
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If anybody has shots of Metra cars being cut at General Iron, could you look see
if any from this list made it there?

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#52008 From: "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@...>
Date: Mon Nov 9, 2009 8:04 am
Subject: Re: Where's Andre? 		ahkatchinetd...
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At 1:15am -0000, 11/09/09, Frank Kennedy <capofrank@...> wrote:

>I usually do this in email and get righteously ignored. My question
>is, what is Andre up to where he can't be with us? Or should I put it
>this way, can we bring him back?

I think he's just busy with Real Life (tm).

He still posts the information about bus assignments.

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#52007 From: clayton mclean <claytonmcln@...>
Date: Mon Nov 9, 2009 7:40 am
Subject: Re: Where's Andre? (Was: Re: 'The train took my baby,) 		claytonmcln
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For th record, Andre's last post was 10/27/09. If he remains true to form, he shall soon resurface once more.
 
C

--- On Sun, 11/8/09, Frank Kennedy <capofrank@...> wrote:

From: Frank Kennedy <capofrank@...>
Subject: [CHICAGOTRANSIT] Where's Andre? (Was: Re: 'The train took my baby,)
To: CHICAGOTRANSIT@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, November 8, 2009, 11:15 PM

 
On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 09:27:31 -0600, Eric Pancer <epancer@gmail. com>
wrote:

.
>
>I wish Andre still commented here. Wasn't he the one that mentioned
>the CTA pretty much settles anything for $50,000 without question?
>
>Fact of the matter is that if there was someone stuck in a train,
>someone should have pulled the cherry. The train was most likely
>already moving, and the idiot pushed the stroller into the door and
>got it stuck. I'm guessing the "child on the berm OMFG THANK YOU LORD"
>thing came later on.
>
>- Eric

I usually do this in email and get righteously ignored. My question
is, what is Andre up to where he can't be with us? Or should I put it
this way, can we bring him back?

Unless my memory fails me, he was one of the big supporters of this
list years ago.

Frank Kennedy capofrank@att. net
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#52006 From: Frank Kennedy <capofrank@...>
Date: Mon Nov 9, 2009 7:15 am
Subject: Where's Andre? (Was: Re: 'The train took my baby,) 		capofrank
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On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 09:27:31 -0600, Eric Pancer <epancer@...>
wrote:

.
>
>I wish Andre still commented here. Wasn't he the one that mentioned
>the CTA pretty much settles anything for $50,000 without question?
>
>Fact of the matter is that if there was someone stuck in a train,
>someone should have pulled the cherry. The train was most likely
>already moving, and the idiot pushed the stroller into the door and
>got it stuck. I'm guessing the "child on the berm OMFG THANK YOU LORD"
>thing came later on.
>
>- Eric

I usually do this in email and get righteously ignored. My question
is, what is Andre up to where he can't be with us? Or should I put it
this way, can we bring him back?

Unless my memory fails me, he was one of the big supporters of this
list years ago.

Frank Kennedy capofrank@...
List founder and moderator.

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#52005 From: Frank Kennedy <capofrank@...>
Date: Mon Nov 9, 2009 7:14 am
Subject: Re: Re: 'The train took my baby,' mom screams as stroller is dragged November 3, 2009 8:03 AM 		capofrank
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The woman was standing next to the driver...she was pointing to her
glasses amd these bulbous lenses had popped out. She claimed that the
high speed door had distressed her glasses to the point to where the
lenses no longer would fit. The driver looked like he had a thousand
things on his mind, mainly CTA related, and that this woman was not
going to receive restitution.

On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 11:29:16 -0800 (PST), Larry M
<minnman554212000@...> wrote:

>Frank,  I am not going to even touch that one!  Was she wearing her glasses
when this happened
> 
>Larry
>
>--- On Fri, 11/6/09, Frank Kennedy <capofrank@...> wrote:
>
>
>From: Frank Kennedy <capofrank@...>
>Subject: Re: [CHICAGOTRANSIT] Re: 'The train took my baby,' mom screams as
stroller is dragged November 3, 2009 8:03 AM
>To: CHICAGOTRANSIT@yahoogroups.com
>Date: Friday, November 6, 2009, 12:41 AM
>
>
> 
>
>
>
>I was at the end of the Brown Line, one time, watching a woman
>complain to the driver, who was preparing the train for the return
>route, that her glasses were caught in what she complained to be an
>overly-fast door. I could see the lens had popped out.
>

>
>
>

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#52004 From: "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@...>
Date: Sun Nov 8, 2009 7:46 am
Subject: Re: Chicago Transit & Railfan Web Site has Moved 		ahkatchinetd...
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At 11:03pm -0000, 11/07/09, genekin7320 <geneking7320@...> wrote:

>Using a different computer I went back to Bill's posting and was able to
>read it fine. I'll have to check my machine.

If you're on a Windows machine, from a command prompt

ipconfig /flushdns

Force the DNS cache to be purged to re-acquire the IP.

And, when in doubt, reboot.

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