... scrapped as of the writing of this booklet (there were 83 pre-WWII and 600 of the post war "green hornet" cars). When this booklet was published, CTA had...
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David Sadowski
davidsadowski
Aug 2, 2012 1:31 pm
CTA started taking delivery of the 250 6000s that used recycled streetcar parts in February 1954. This means that out of the 600 PCCs ordered after the war,...
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Adam H. Kerman
ahk@...
Aug 2, 2012 6:57 pm
... There are no instances of major car line abandonments under CSL. Bustitution happened during off hours. Buses weren't economical to operate in the 1930's;...
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Bryan Cooper
custombuses
Aug 2, 2012 7:10 pm
David, Â This history lesson is still very impressive. keep the information coming. Â Bryan ________________________________ From: David Sadowski...
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David Sadowski
davidsadowski
Aug 2, 2012 7:52 pm
Adam mentioned something about railcars that were completed and never delivered. After WWII, Chicago ordered 600 PCCs and they got 600. There were none...
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Adam H. Kerman
ahk@...
Aug 2, 2012 9:29 pm
... I thought I'd read that CTA told St. Louis Car Company not to ship certain completed cars because they wanted them to be used as parts for "L" cars. If I...
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Bob Matter
rjmatter00
Aug 2, 2012 10:14 pm
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/chi-megabus-from-chicago-crashes-into-i55-overpass-20120802,0,536199.story I've always been a little wary...
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David Sadowski
davidsadowski
Aug 2, 2012 11:47 pm
... certain ... The 600 cars did not all come from St. Louis Car Co., the order was too big for any one firm and half were built by Pullman. Some of the 600...
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Adam H. Kerman
ahk@...
Aug 3, 2012 12:32 am
... Where did you read that? It wouldn't have helped Orange Line, as Grand Trunk Western suburban service was gone by 1930. In the late '30's, the city wasn't...
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Larry M
minnman55421...
Aug 3, 2012 5:17 pm
Is there any state or federal low prohibiting the use of a cell phone including texting while driving a commercial vehical. I know we have the texting law in...
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davidsadowski
Aug 3, 2012 7:05 pm
... You can look at a 1945 version of the city's map here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/walkingsf/7601638434/in/photostream/lightbox/ But there were earlier...
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Adam H. Kerman
ahk@...
Aug 3, 2012 7:47 pm
... What is it I'm missing, here? I see a preliminary version of Dan Ryan "L" as a branch off Jackson Park, between 63rd and 79th via South Park (King). That...
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David Sadowski
davidsadowski
Aug 3, 2012 8:13 pm
The City's stated goal was to bring "rapid transit," however they defined it, to within a half mile to 80% of the city's population, or 90% within one mile, as...
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Adam H. Kerman
ahk@...
Aug 3, 2012 9:52 pm
... On this map, it was proposed to build rapid transit in competition with C&NW. ... You flipped it. Milwaukee West is closer to North Avenue to the east,...
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David Sadowski
davidsadowski
Aug 3, 2012 10:01 pm
... Which line was that? In 1945 they weren't yet planning for a median transit line in the planned Northwest expressway. The plan was for a subway extension...
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Harvey Kahler
hkahler400
Aug 3, 2012 10:46 pm
Back in 1939, the CNW went both northwest, at least to Barrington, and north to Skokie. With three tracks, more frequent off-peak services certainly were ...
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Harvey Kahler
hkahler400
Aug 3, 2012 11:16 pm
Not only Victorians; but in Chicago as well. The cost of competition was duplication with a different technology and business model - emu's against steam ...
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Harvey Kahler
hkahler400
Aug 3, 2012 11:19 pm
Okay, I misinterpreted the the comment that was meant to convey the idea of rapid transit alongside the steam road. How did they ever propose to get past...
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David Sadowski
davidsadowski
Aug 3, 2012 11:41 pm
... of rapid transit alongside the steam road. ... In neighborhoods that already had good commuter rail service, the City classified this as "rapid transit"...
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Dennis McClendon
southlooplis...
Aug 4, 2012 4:21 am
... I will cede the point right up front that Chicagoland's commuter rail assets have not been exploited as fully as they might have, particularly the IC and...
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Adam H. Kerman
ahk@...
Aug 4, 2012 5:32 pm
... Of course that's true, except that the coaches weren't all that old in the 1930's. Why would service have been added as population expanded if steam roads...
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Adam H. Kerman
ahk@...
Aug 4, 2012 5:49 pm
... The subway extension would have replaced Logan Square and would have terminated at Jefferson Park. That was a proposed railroad facility in a parallel...
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David Sadowski
davidsadowski
Aug 4, 2012 6:22 pm
... The concept of a rapid transit line in the Northwest expressway wasn't considered until about 1955-56, even though construction on the Congress line was...
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Adam H. Kerman
ahk@...
Aug 4, 2012 6:25 pm
... The neighborhoods beyond Logan Square are Avondale, Irving Park, Mayfair, Jefferson Park, Gladstone Park, Norwood Park, and Edison Park. These all had ...
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David Sadowski
davidsadowski
Aug 4, 2012 6:50 pm
On Aug 3, 2012 11:21 PM, "Dennis McClendon" <dennismcclendon@...> ... A city like that would be full of apartments and need rapid transit, not a few old...
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David Sadowski
davidsadowski
Aug 4, 2012 10:14 pm
... Not so. There were some crosstown subways planned, along Ashland, for instance. The entire north-south portion of the old Met L could have formed the...
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Adam H. Kerman
ahk@...
Aug 4, 2012 11:44 pm
... Which plan are you referring to here? ... This is something I've never read. Which half? ... Milwaukee Avenue to Jefferson Park would have been a superior...
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David Sadowski
davidsadowski
Aug 5, 2012 1:09 am
... http://forgottenchicago.com/features/remnants-of-the-l/ "Although disappointed residents and their alderman sued to stop the line’s closure, the Humboldt...
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Adam H. Kerman
ahk@...
Aug 5, 2012 4:27 am
... Interesting; thanks. What was the stub used for?...
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Adam H. Kerman
ahk@...
Aug 5, 2012 6:33 pm
... David, even though Milwaukee Avenue wasn't immediately adjacent to C&NW alignment, it was still a parallel corrider proposed to compete with C&NW. ... ...
