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Re: VIA engineers contract talks


In Australia, trains operating between Port Augusta and Kalgoorlie, Western
Australia across the Nullabor Plain carry a crew car behind the locomotives.

The Trans-Australia line "Commonwealth Railways" was an early candidate for
dieselisation due to lack of water for steam locomotives. I gather that after
dieselisation took place in 1961, many crew terminals across the plain were
eliminated. I think the steam era operation involved working a portion of track,
resting at a camp, and carrying on when rested to another. Dieselisation saw
running over many subdivisions of track to Cook , a remote community with engine
facilities and a resthouse.

When I talked with the engine crew on the eastbound "Indian Pacific", they had
worked through from Kalgoorlie WA., about twelve hours but there was talk of
eliminating Cook as a crew change point and using an on board sleeper.

These crew people also worked freight, and their work rotation was determined on
a monthly basis with planned days off and rest periods factored in by a "docket
clerk" (crew clerk in Canadian parlance). Pay and work scheduling in Australia
is based on an eight hour day.

The resthouse was interesting as it was a building within a building using
darkness and masonry to keep it cool.

I asked them how they felt about resting on board a moving train, of course they
were used to it as it had been common practice for forty years. The rest cars
are however specialised in that they have an on board cook and attendant, crew
lounge and kitchen plus full size bedrooms.

Would Via convert some cars to provide such ammenities?

Phil Mason
Kamloops








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I see from a Teamsters Canada Rail Conference web site, <URL:http://division747.ca/?cat=7>, that VIA's engineers are currently holding a mail-in strike vote,...
Tom Box
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Jul 8, 2009
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... Please forgive my ignorance: Why is double-crewing such an offensive suggestion? Ricky Leong Calgary...
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... It would interesting to know what is actually being proposed. Are we talking about two engine crews operating the Canadian across Canada, one crew on duty...
Lyman Holmes
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Interesting. Double-crewing as described is unknown in either the US (Amtrak comes to mind) or Canada, but common in Australia. Steve Lucas....
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... Steve, How does it work in Australia and what did it replace? I am trying to think of how it would be a cost savings for VIA and am drawing a blank. It...
Lyman Holmes
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I've read about this arrangement, but know nothing more of it, other than a crew car is marshalled immediately behind the loco's on freight trains. For Via to...
Steve Lucas
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In Australia, trains operating between Port Augusta and Kalgoorlie, Western Australia across the Nullabor Plain carry a crew car behind the locomotives. The...
Philip Mason
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Jul 9, 2009
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... Maybe uncommon on Canadian railways, but pretty common in the long-distance trucking industry, and also for most airlines that operate across the Pacific...
David Jeanes
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... The following was reported by Bernard Babin on the Trains_en_Gaspesie list in September 2005. When an engineer based in New Carlisle retired, he was...
Tom Box
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... Yes I recall reading about that practice. I believe the approximate distance between London and Edinburgh is 536 km or 333 miles. A single VIA crew on...
Lyman Holmes
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... The real question is not the practicality or efficiency of implementing such a crewing system, but what extra compensation should be paid(additional true...
G Burridge
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Jul 10, 2009
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At present, most long distance train operations in Canada, passenger or freight, involve rest periods in company supplied rest facilities at the "away from...
Philip Mason
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A few years back, a certian major Canadian railway tried to restrict an engineer from transferring to Via as this major railway felt that there were not enough...
Steve Lucas
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... The Gresley A4 Pacific "Dominion of Canada", preserved at the Canadian Railway Museum at St. Constant, Que., has such a tender. The narrow corridor runs...
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To Rick Foo: your message is very vague; would you please elaborate. Thank you James Windsor ... From: rick_foo To: Canadian-Passenger-Rail@yahoogroups.com...
james armstrong
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... Perhaps not all the way from Toronto to Vancouver, but I gather it's something like what Lyman describes. The same web site also mentions "...the...
Tom Box
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... Yow...that'd be a long trip. Especially if you're not being paid during your deadheading to the on-duty point. ... Melville crews I believe work to...
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... I'm not entirely sure -- corrections welcome -- but I don't think VIA has Melville crews. Melville is now an away-from- home terminal for crews based in...
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To Lyman Holmes: I have travelled on trains for many years and can say without word of a lie that it has never made metired. James Windsor ... From: Lyman...
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... 349 ballots were sent out. 306 were returned. 279 were in favor of giving the union a mandate to call a strike, 27 were opposed, 6 were spoiled. ...
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