I think the Federal government strong-armed VIA into adding Canada's "corporate
identity" to the trains since they're paid for by the Feds.
CB
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>From: "Jason Monk" <jasonmonk@...>
>To: Canadian-Passenger-Rail@onelist.com
>Subject: Re: [Canadian-Passenger-Rail] Re: Poll results for
Canadian-Passenger-Rail
>Date: Tue, Mar 7, 2000, 12:15 am
>
> From: "Jason Monk" <jasonmonk@...>
>
>
>
> Well I would suggest a couple...
>
> I have a dislike, no, a hate, no! A Passionate hate-on for those Gowd-Awful,
> Ugly F40PH-2's that VIA Parades around.. I mean these things are hidious,
> boxy, and they just plain look bad... A shoebox on wheels....
I disagree. The F40s, before the new half-arsed paint job, looked pretty
sharp hauling an all-stainless consist. There is nothing wrong with angular
carbodies, and the continuation of the SS cars' blue stripe to end at a
funky yellow zig-zag is, visually, quite clever.
However, I am very disappointed with the new "Canada" scheme on the F40, for
the simple reason that it wasn't thought through. The wide blue stripe does
not correspond to the coaches or to the natural lines on the unit. If VIA
wishes to incorporate the Canada logo (which I think is a good idea, as we
could use some more patriotism north of the 49th), they should redesign the
F40 paint scheme. Unfortunately, that would mean more $$$, and the railway
just doesn't have it.
Regards,
Jason Shron
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>To:
>Subject: [Canadian-Passenger-Rail] New poll for Canadian-Passenger-Rail
>Date: Tue, Mar 7, 2000, 8:53 am
>
> From: Canadian-Passenger-Rail@onelist.com
>
> Enter your vote today! Check out the new poll for the Canadian-Passenger-Rail
> group:
>
>
> Thanks to Jason Monk for the genesis of this poll idea:
>
> Which one of the following VIA "engines" do you prefer?
>
> o F40PH-2
> o BBD LRC
> o FP9au
> o F-units in general
> o Turbo units
> o Budd RDC
>
Ahem....
What about the E8s and the RS10? And I think that the FPA4 deserves its own
category. Many people prefer it to the FP9 or FP7 (the phrase "ALCO
coloured glasses" springs to mind).
Regards,
Jason
Jason Monk wrote:
>
> Which scheme do u like,
>
> a) The current scheme with the blue band and large Canada Logo
> b) The original Scheme, Grey top, blue bottom, yellow strip and nose
> c) The Home Hardware Scheme
> d) The original VIA Blue and Yellow....
> e) They all suck, find a new one.
I'd say the absolute worst was an experimental scheme applied to a
single F unit and coach - it was stealth grey with yellow ends IIRC.
Only saw it once and the impression was YUK!
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The new Canada in white on silver can rarely been seen and really looks
bad when taking photos of the train, I do not mind a small flag on a
flat side of the panels by the windows but Canada over the fluted siding
no!
My O scale models are staying without the flags and Canada!
Say the VIA route has changed out of Vancouver I am looking for
supporters to help encourage a Station in Surrey!, the train now runs
Surrey Langley rather then the Coquitlam route. We need another
alternative!
Anyone want to help and do some lettering writing?
Gordon Hall
Well I would suggest a couple...
I have a dislike, no, a hate, no! A Passionate hate-on for those Gowd-Awful,
Ugly F40PH-2's that VIA Parades around.. I mean these things are hidious,
boxy, and they just plain look bad... A shoebox on wheels.... Now we have in
the past seen the sleek, sexy LRC Locomotives, you know... The ones that
were originally built that MATCH the LRC coaches... :) So my first poll
would be...
Which do u like better.... The LRC Locomotive, or the F40PH-2...
Now for my second poll would be.. What do people think about the VIA
CA-NA-DUH splashed everywhere. In Large White Letters... CA-NA-DUH.... I
mean do the marketing people at Via think we dont know what country we
populate... So my Second Poll would be...
Which scheme do u like,
a) The current scheme with the blue band and large Canada Logo
b) The original Scheme, Grey top, blue bottom, yellow strip and nose
c) The Home Hardware Scheme
d) The original VIA Blue and Yellow....
e) They all suck, find a new one.
I personally would vote for find a new scheme and as for the F40PH-2, I
think I made my point :)
Jason
>Hmmmmm....
>
>Well, that was pretty decisive, although not terribly scientific. We
>only had a 31% turnout rate!
>
>Any other polls people would like to see?
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--- In Canadian-Passenger-Rail@onelist.com, Lloyd Leonard
<lloyd.leonard@r...> wrote:
> Next time please repeat the questions during the poll.
> I remember seeing a few references to the poll,,,,,, but never the
poll itself.
> Hence "very unscientific " is right.
Hi Lloyd,
In fact, I did send out a message on Friday Mar 3, 2000 9:32am
reminding people about the poll, and that it would close today.
Would people like to see this poll renewed? You will need to
re-vote.
Should I receive 4 positive replies, I will re-open it.
CB
--- In Canadian-Passenger-Rail@onelist.com,
Canadian-Passenger-Rail@onelist.com wrote:
> CHOICES AND RESULTS
> - Continued federal government support, 0 votes, 0.00%
> - Increased federal government support, 15 votes, 93.75%
> - Regional privatization, 0 votes, 0.00%
> - National privatization, 0 votes, 0.00%
> - Joint governmental/private sector management, 1 votes, 6.25%
Hmmmmm....
Well, that was pretty decisive, although not terribly scientific. We
only had a 31% turnout rate!
Any other polls people would like to see?
Christian.
The following Canadian-Passenger-Rail poll is now closed. Here are the
final results:
POLL QUESTION: With VIA Rail facing an uncertain future as always, which of the
following would you support?
CHOICES AND RESULTS
- Continued federal government support, 0 votes, 0.00%
- Increased federal government support, 15 votes, 93.75%
- Regional privatization, 0 votes, 0.00%
- National privatization, 0 votes, 0.00%
- Joint governmental/private sector management, 1 votes, 6.25%
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>From: "Mike Salfi" <msalfi@...>
>
>I am trying to understand the differences in the color of the lettering on
>CPR's fleet of heavyweight and lightweight tuscan cars (not the stainless
>steel) passenger cars in the 1950's.
>
>The C-D-S dry transfers define Gold and Imitation Gold lettering, with the
>imitation gold being a yellow color, similar to the yellow on the C-D-S dry
>transfers for the stainless steel cars. Further, the C-D-S instruction
>identify the gold as being used pre 1935 and the imitation gold being used
>post 1935. Now I can well understand that heavyweight passenger cars that
>were lettered in gold prior to 1935 would have lasted into the 1940's and
>even possibly the 1950's but what about the lightweight passenger cars
>commonly refered to as the "Grove" cars. Was the lettering on these cars
>yellow or gold. From the photo's in John Riddell's "Canadian Pacific Color
>Guide ..." it looks like the lettering could be gold.
>
>Or is it that the C-D-S yellow is simply too yellow.
>
>Any help would be greatly appreciated.
>
>Michael Salfi
>Kitchener, Ontario
Assuming the 1935 change is close to correct, the only lightweight cars
that could have had "gold" lettering would have been the first small order
of CPR 2100 series coaches built in 1936. The GROVE sleepers didn't come
along until 1949.
Other factors to consider: how reproduction of colour film varies
considerably and that aging/sun does strange things to all colours; cost of
paints; change in the "recipe" for paint over a period of time.
Dale
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I am trying to understand the differences in the color of the lettering on
CPR's fleet of heavyweight and lightweight tuscan cars (not the stainless
steel) passenger cars in the 1950's.
The C-D-S dry transfers define Gold and Imitation Gold lettering, with the
imitation gold being a yellow color, similar to the yellow on the C-D-S dry
transfers for the stainless steel cars. Further, the C-D-S instruction
identify the gold as being used pre 1935 and the imitation gold being used
post 1935. Now I can well understand that heavyweight passenger cars that
were lettered in gold prior to 1935 would have lasted into the 1940's and
even possibly the 1950's but what about the lightweight passenger cars
commonly refered to as the "Grove" cars. Was the lettering on these cars
yellow or gold. From the photo's in John Riddell's "Canadian Pacific Color
Guide ..." it looks like the lettering could be gold.
Or is it that the C-D-S yellow is simply too yellow.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Michael Salfi
Kitchener, Ontario
email: msalfi@...
We are the navvies who work upon the railway,
Swinging our hammers in the bright glazing sun,
Laying down track and building the bridges,
Bending our backs till the railroad is done.
From "The Canadian Railroad Trilogy", by Gordon Lightfoot
The following is forwarded to see if there is someone "out there" with
definite knowledge. Please contact Don directly.
Dale Wilson.
>
>From: Donald Forsyth <D.Forsyth@...>
>Date: Thursday, March 02, 2000 9:35 AM
>Subject: Re: CPR "U" sleepers
>
>I don't know if you would know but maybe you could point me in
>>the right direction. What I would like to know is, in a "U" sleeper were
>>the partitions between sections a permanent piece or were they removed
>>during the day. Reason is I am detailing my Shoreham cars (HO) and want to
>>be as close as possible to prototype. Any help would be appreciated,
>>Thanks Don Forsyth. NMRA/PNR/CPSig
>>
>
>
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Uploading the image didn't seem to work, so I've uploaded it to:
http://home.inforamp.net/~shron/Temp_images/LRC3312.jpg
Sorry for the poor quality. I hadn't yet figured out how to use my SLR when
I took the photo!
Regards,
Jason
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>From: "Jason Shron" <shron@...>
>To: Canadian-Passenger-Rail@onelist.com
>Subject: [Canadian-Passenger-Rail] Re: Modeling LRCs in HO
>Date: Sat, Mar 4, 2000, 9:38 pm
>
> I have built the Associated Model Makers LRC kits. They are very nice,
> though you may want to jazz up the trucks.
>
> They have recently come out with one-piece shells, which eliminates the most
> troublesome part of construction. I saw a one-piece LRC locomotive, and it
> is excellent.
>
> I will upload a photo of my Fletchco LRC coach to the files for the NG.
> Fletchco became AMM.
>
> I scratchbuilt the truck details, added MU stuff to the ends, and added
> louvers to the roofs. I've also made my own decals. When I finish the
> Turbo model I am currently working on, my next project will be to market VIA
> decals for Turbos, LRCs, etc. But if anyone needs LRC decals before then
> let me know and we'll work something out.
>
> By the way, Ed: fantastic models and fantastic photos! Nicely done.
>
> Regards,
>
> Jason
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I have built the Associated Model Makers LRC kits. They are very nice,
though you may want to jazz up the trucks.
They have recently come out with one-piece shells, which eliminates the most
troublesome part of construction. I saw a one-piece LRC locomotive, and it
is excellent.
I will upload a photo of my Fletchco LRC coach to the files for the NG.
Fletchco became AMM.
I scratchbuilt the truck details, added MU stuff to the ends, and added
louvers to the roofs. I've also made my own decals. When I finish the
Turbo model I am currently working on, my next project will be to market VIA
decals for Turbos, LRCs, etc. But if anyone needs LRC decals before then
let me know and we'll work something out.
By the way, Ed: fantastic models and fantastic photos! Nicely done.
Regards,
Jason
Hi list members,
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others about Canadian Passenger Rail topics and give it a try!
Christian.
Moderator, Can. Pass. Rail.
About a year ago I was discussing the possibility of Athabasca Scale Models
producing "sides" for this car, but am unsure how appropriate this would be
given you would need a commercially available plastic car to put the sides
on.
The only commercially available car I know of is the Bachmann full dome car.
I don't know if the Bachmann car was intended to be a representation of the
Milwaukee Road / CN car, but it is obviously wrong, in that it comes with
fluted sides and end doors, both which the prototype did not have.
Does anyone know if the Bachmann car is still commercially available
because, if so, it could at least be a suitable "core kit" for "sides" from
Athabasca.
Please don't read into this that Athabasca is considering doing the sides, I
am just soliciting input to see if this is at least a project worth
consideration.
Sorry for the cross posting, but wanted to reach all with passenger car
interests.
Michael Salfi
Kitchener, Ontario
email: msalfi@...
We are the navvies who work upon the railway,
Swinging our hammers in the bright glazing sun,
Laying down track and building the bridges,
Bending our backs till the railroad is done.
From "The Canadian Railroad Trilogy", by Gordon Lightfoot
VIA and all passenger and freight traffic runs east bound on CP from
Mission Bridge to Basque near Ashcroft, Westbound on CN.
You will find photos from the Rocky Mountaineer dome car on the CP line
on my photos page.
http://cdnrail.railfan.net
However you voted in this, it might be a good idea to strengthen your
opinion by telling you Member of Parliament how you feel and how he/she
might help out.
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This doesn't really answer your question, but here is a web page that
shows some scratch built LRC's. http://www.ideal.net.au/~akeller/index~1.htm
Hope this helps
Ed Barry
barry@...
Jason Monk wrote:
>
> From: "Jason Monk" <jasonmonk@...>
>
> Hello,
>
> I would like to model the LRC Locomotives and Cars for my Corridor
> Passenger service on my layout. I model in HO. I heard that at one
> point, Associated Model Makers manufactured these kits in resin. Are
> they still around, and what are their kits like. Is there any other
> sources for LRC Locos and Cars. I model in HO-Scale just so u all
> know. :)
>
> Jason
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Hi all,
As a number of you certainly know (there are 8 votes to this point)
there is an active poll at the list's home page at
http://www.onelist.com/polls/Canadian-Passenger-Rail regarding VIA
Rail funding. This poll will be open until noon ET Monday, March 6.
If you have any ideas for polls that you would like to see, please
feel free to submit them to me.
Christian
Hi all,
As we all know, th CPR doesn't seem to like having passenger trains
in their way too much, so VIA has relegated itself (or been
relegated) to mostly CN, their own tracks, or other
shortline/regional trackage.
I'm curious as to where VIA does run on the CPR. The following is
what I know:
White River ON - Sudbury ON
Smiths Falls ON - Brockville ON (?)
Kamloops BC - Vancouver BC (in one direction; which way?)
I know I'm a little off on the last point.
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Christian:
I suggest that you leave the current name alone. It is a clear
statement of what the site is all about.
regards,
Joe Smuin
Christian Base wrote:
>
> From: Christian Base <cbase@...>
>
> --- burridge@... wrote:
> > Altogether, probably a worthwhile idea, as it covers passenger
> topics
> > globally.
> > Including VIA. So, are having 2 lists necessary(with VIARAIL being
> in a way
> > now being a subset of the other), which probaly will mean dfuplicate
> > postings in some instances? Particularly since the level of ttraffic
> on
> > VIARAIL tends to be spotty.
> > My suggestion, though I dont know in fact if it is possible,would be
> to
> > alias VIARAIL to the new list for a number of months, then terminate
> VIARAIL.
> > Would have preferred a shorter name for the new list though!
>
> I think ONElist has some facilities for bringing an existing list to
> their
> service, but aliasing it is something that I know nothing about.
>
> I had tried to come up with something that was shorter than
> "Canadian-Passenger-Rail." I had thought of something along the lines
> of
> "Can-Pass" but that seemed too much like Dan Dawdy's Canpass area at
> Cyberspace
> World Railroad home page.
>
> If there is a general consensus in the list that the name is too long,
> I think
> I can change it, but that might throw existing subscribers off.
>
> Let's see how it goes first.
>
> CB
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Hello,
I would like to model the LRC Locomotives and Cars for my Corridor
Passenger service on my layout. I model in HO. I heard that at one
point, Associated Model Makers manufactured these kits in resin. Are
they still around, and what are their kits like. Is there any other
sources for LRC Locos and Cars. I model in HO-Scale just so u all
know. :)
Jason
--- Ken Garber <kgarber@...> wrote:
> From: Ken Garber <kgarber@...>
>
> Canadian-Railways@onelist.com wrote:
>
> > >Thanks Adrian. So I presume they would use the enlarged tube, then take a
> > >VIA (CN) routing to Niagara Falls?
>
> There are two possible scenarios to the routing. Of course this is
> conjecture as
> nothing has been said and negotiations are still ongoing.
>
> First off, you will probably never see it run the CASO to the 'falls' - east
> of
> Fargo is in poor health and the remaining section to Windsor is in not too
> great a
> shape either. I think top speed is no higher than 40mph, and is more likely
> 30.
> It is also now 'dark territory'. I doubt Amtrak would pay to have it brought
> up.
>
> The alternate is Windsor to Bayview and then to Niagara Falls.
>
> Scenario one:
>
> - Tunnel to Amshack* on site of old MCR station.
> - Out CASO main to Pelton
> - North on ex-CSX track to a depot* next to the airport (CN installed new
> connection trackage at Pelton and at the CP last year)
> - Cross CP to CN Jefferson spur to CN Chatham sub to Chatham
>
> ** could be Amshack OR depot at airport.
>
> Scenario two:
> As above but stay on CP to diamond west of Chatham, then back onto CN
>
> On the other hand I heard/read Amtrak is talking non-stop, so why the
> depot(s).
> Another option was to back into Walkerville, but with a non-stop train.....
I think there is a bit of confusion here.
The non-stop train (the Twilight Limited) will (hopefully) run non-stop Windsor
to Nigeria Falls (yes that was on purpose) and will not need any station stops
in Canada.
There is also talk about bringing the International (Chicago-Toronto) through
Windsor instead of Sarnia. Then there are the station problems.
CB
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--- burridge@... wrote:
> Altogether, probably a worthwhile idea, as it covers passenger topics
> globally.
> Including VIA. So, are having 2 lists necessary(with VIARAIL being in a way
> now being a subset of the other), which probaly will mean dfuplicate
> postings in some instances? Particularly since the level of ttraffic on
> VIARAIL tends to be spotty.
> My suggestion, though I dont know in fact if it is possible,would be to
> alias VIARAIL to the new list for a number of months, then terminate VIARAIL.
> Would have preferred a shorter name for the new list though!
I think ONElist has some facilities for bringing an existing list to their
service, but aliasing it is something that I know nothing about.
I had tried to come up with something that was shorter than
"Canadian-Passenger-Rail." I had thought of something along the lines of
"Can-Pass" but that seemed too much like Dan Dawdy's Canpass area at Cyberspace
World Railroad home page.
If there is a general consensus in the list that the name is too long, I think
I can change it, but that might throw existing subscribers off.
Let's see how it goes first.
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Welcome all!
To help get things rolling, I have posted a poll at
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VIA Rail:
With VIA Rail facing an uncertain future as always, which of the following
would you support?
o Continued federal government support
o Increased federal government support
o Regional privatization
o National privatization
o Joint governemntal/private sector management
To vote, please visit the following web page:
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