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RE: [CriticalChain] Re: Buffer Penetration

Larry, All-

The one thing in this conversation that trips me up is "task buffer." What
is this thing you speak of?

I can confirm for Concerto that normal operation does not re-calculate the
critical chain. If a feeding chain has become the longest penetrating
chain, that means that the feeding chain has eaten its entire feeding buffer
and is moving slower than the critical chain. Thus tasks on that chain get
a priority signal for the project in question. That said, "% complete" of
the project is always based on the original critical chain length,
regardless of the length of the current penetrating chain.

That said, I believe Concerto does still watch for resource contention
within a single project as it runs buffer management. i.e. If a chain that
uses resource X is running late, then another chain using resource X (later)
will also start running late when they begin to conflict. But the whole
point of the buffer priority mechanisms is to highlight this and drive
action.

It is interesting that Larry has decided that a task doesn't get credit for
contributing to %complete until the task is completed. I guess this would
prevent execution-level confusion as to which tasks have priority and
maintains focus.

I think the "consume feeding buffers" option is dangerous in Concerto for
the same reason that Skip mentioned. However, the same effect is felt when
you activate the project with a due date shorter than it recommends:
concerto will attempt to "squeeze" the project, particularly on feeding
chains that are longer than the CC due to buffer consumption.

Regards,

Jack Vinson





Sun Jul 19, 2009 8:02 pm

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Larry, I have not given thought to giving credit to completed future tasks. I'll rethink that now. I believe Sciforma PS8 always uses the original Critical ...
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Jul 19, 2009
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Larry, All- The one thing in this conversation that trips me up is "task buffer." What is this thing you speak of? I can confirm for Concerto that normal...
Jack Vinson
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Jul 19, 2009
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Hi, Jack Well, you are two thirds of the way there. It is "task buffer PENETRATION". That is, the effect any task has on the project buffer. When you look at...
Lawrence
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Jul 20, 2009
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Hi, Skip I appreciate your thoughts. I agree with your point on robustness of the CC behaviors. More and more people doing CC focus there first, rather than on...
Lawrence
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Jul 20, 2009
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Larry, I was on a webinar with Sciforma recently about PS Next. They never mentioned CC, so I asked. I was told that it does buffer management, whatever that...
Skip
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Hi, Skip I did find the PS Next file, but could not attach it to the email that way. I posted it to the files area. I find it amusing that they claim critical...
Lawrence
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Jul 20, 2009
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I read the article as basically being addressed to their current users/market. It gives them good rationale to not change. They must've given up on making...
Michael Kasiak
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Jul 20, 2009
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Speaking of the skills for critical chain... Are there any good online training materials for learning critical chain? --Sean ... -- Sean Stickle 202-701-8353 ...
Sean Stickle
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Jul 20, 2009
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Sean, I can't imagine and GOOD online training being available, unless it's just a very basic introduction to the concepts / software. I'm not aware of anyone ...
Michael Kasiak
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Thanks for the info, Mike. I was interested in a critical chain simulator, to introduce other people to the idea and show them the system in action. Being...
Sean Stickle
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Jul 20, 2009
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Sean. that'd be very useful. I remember going thru some very intensive CC training, but the lights never went off until I got my hands on the software and...
Michael Kasiak
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You could write to Eli Schragenheim and see if he will give you a copy of his simulator. http://www.goldrattschools.org/faculty.php ...
John Sambrook
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John, But Eli S simulators are for operations and distribution.....I'm not aware he built a Project Management one? 2009/7/20 John Sambrook...
Santiago Velásquez...
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Hi, Sean I have CD training. It was developed under a $1 million USAF contract. You can get it for a lot less than that from my WEB site. It is also way less...
Lawrence
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Larry, Thanks for the recommendation. I went to your website and took a look. Your software only runs on Windows, and I only have a Mac. More motivation for me...
Sean Stickle
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Hi, Sean Eli Shragenheims simulator is windows based also. By all means do the simulation for self-learning and for fun. I wouldn;t discourage anyone from...
Lawrence
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Lawrence, People always come up with the "we're different" argument, whether the ideas come from books, simulations, speakers, or semi-divine revelations. So...
Sean Stickle
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Hi, Sean Best of success! If you can figure out some way to have the simulation convince middle managers that actually creating project schedules and then...
Lawrence
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Hi, Mike Yes, I put it in the category as one data point to illustrate that "the softwware is not the solution". As I have mentioned many times, there seems to...
Lawrence
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Larry et al, Thanks for the article. I spoke with Rob DeVenuto of Sciforma today. I mentioned the article, "Critical Chain vs. Pooled Risk Scheduling" and he...
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Hi, Skip Well, I suppose it is easy to get into a Macintosh vs. PC type debate. Certainly Primavera people put that kind of energy into downgrading MS Project....
Lawrence
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Larry, I seem to spend most of my time with Concerto. I'm quite satisfied with it. I like Sciforma PS8 because it lets me tweak it to my heart's content. ...
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Hi, Skip Yes, do I don't get what the Sciforma guy was saying about budget being harder with critical chain. BTW, one thing I always thought strange with PS8...
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Hi, Kik Heh, Heh, etc. Larry...
Lawrence
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Larry- Is there something hidden here in the question? Some of the language you are using suggests something additional. I like to think of the _project_...
Jack Vinson
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Hi, Jack Well, if there is something hidden, it is by poor communication, not by intent. I understand most people on this list do not understand the use of...
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I assume the vertical axis is %buffer consumption. Interesting take on using Task Complete vs. just remaining duration (RDU). What happens when another chain...
Jack Vinson
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Hi, Jack It still works fine for the decisions that have to be made. Changing the % complete basis is an unnecessaqry detail and complication. One of those...
Lawrence
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Skip - In the paper Larry provided, Francois Retief references what is in my opinion the number one issue with critical chain implementations, namely ...
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