In the discussion, there was a question about whether PDSA was an agile-like approach. There are some points of commonality between PDSA as an approach you use...
I've one copy of John Rickett's new book to give away, compliments of the publishers. If you're interested then pop over to the tocthinkers.com blog and leave...
Richard wrote: And if you mention that PDSA was developed initially for industrial use in ... Ummmm, that's nonsense, unless you replace the word "agilista"...
Bah humbug! <GRIN> Agile people freely intermix lean 'factory method' material. Look at the Poppendieck web site. ... A good agile team dances with discipline....
And even Kent Beck, the XP propeller, in his 2nd edition of his XP book (Embrace Change), devoted a whole chapter to TOC... although I think he had a shallow...
Hi, Santiago I don't know if it ever really existed, but it was made famous in an old U.D. movie. I think the title might have been "Rebel Without a Cause". ...
Hi, Richard Well said. Regards, Larry Leach ... agile-like ... you use ... And you ... agile ... cycle, your ... me data". ... could ... you would ... and data...
Ah, I know it as chicken! But my version was that the two cars started at opposite ends and raced directly to each other, til the first get out of the way (to...
Larry asked, "Many? Most?" I'd say some. You might be surprised by how many agile developers and managers have read "The Goal" and "The Toyota Way", for...
Hi Larry, I'm pretty sure you've heard of the NewGrange discussion list The NewGrange Center for Project Management! newgrange@.... The discussions are ...
At first I wondered why this list was discussing agile, but the question about PDSA made we realize that the ToC community does share a number of . ...
Hi, Clarke My association with Agile was through the Project Management Institute (PMI). the Agilists inevetiably began their pitch with criticizing the...
Hi, Clare Yes, I checked into that group some time back, and found it as you say. I have this cloud around participating in groups, which I evaporate by...
Hi, All Thought some of you might appreciate the following, which I stumbled across: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twelve_leverage_points Regards, Larry Leach...
Hey Larry, Interesting post (as near always). I imagine that many of your experiences are very common. Sadly, in the agile world (as in many other worlds) we...
Oh, one other thing Larry. I'm writing these notes as a 38 year old who used to be a very good techie, with barely adequate influencing skills. I'm not so...
Hi everyone, I suspect many of you will find Alan's work on distinguishing systemic and symptomatic clouds fascinating and useful. I did. I'm about to go and...
I am torn between taking the time to respond to this thoroughly and dismissing it out of hand. The problem with religion and politics and, unexpectedly, system...
Folks, if there is something specific where you think I'm wrong, please tell me, either on or off list. [The only way I'm going to learn the wisdom of your...
Richard. ... tell me, either on or off list Please take this comment as well intended, becasue it is: I don't know if you are right or wrong because I you...
Hi Clarke, I can read and follow Richard's posts. I don't think this means anything other than perhaps different people have different preferences in terms of...
Thanks for sharing that John. I am afraid that I used to be very good, once, at dealing with abstractions and huge amounts of detail but at (the ripe old age...
Hi Clarke, No, absolutely not, I didn't see your note as any kind of attack. I think that both abstractions, and detail, bring benefits. But I do wonder if a...
I first came across Donnella Meadows paper in the context of Systems, ie Jay Forrester´s work on Systems Dynamics and also Stafford Beer´s work on the Viable...
I only wish these threads came at more opportune times. I am on site at a customer and can not devote a long effort to this list. Only monday, I had a long...
RE: ToC and agile [-like incremental implementations] I want to thank those who commented on my comments on agile and ToC. They led me to think more about what...
Thanks Richard. That was much clearer. ... ToC", I will be thinking of some earnest folks diligently strapping jet engines on their propeller plane, and I...
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