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From: H.B.Craig-II <hbcraig2@...>
To: DSR-2-DOT@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, November 19, 2009 6:02:34 PM
Subject: Re: [DSR-2-DOT] DDOT Paratransit Service - What's the Deal???

Here's an update on the MetroLift/D- DOT/DM1 para-transit issue. According to the following excerpt from today's Detroit Free Press, in an article titled "Disabled riders to Bing: Undo switch in transit service," it looks like the matter is headed to the courts. Here's from www.Freep.com....

People with disabilities and senior citizens called on Detroit leaders Wednesday to reverse an apparent decision to switch providers of specialized MetroLift rides that serve those who have trouble using regular buses.

The city announced earlier this month that Veolia Transportation would no longer be a provider of paratransit services. Officials said Veolia terminated its contract with the city Nov. 6.

But Veolia officials said Wednesday that the city stopped making payments in February, started contracting with other companies and has refused to discuss the issue. Veolia has provided paratransit services for the Detroit Department of Transportation since 1999 and was contracted through 2011.

Veolia has sued the city in U.S. District Court in Detroit, seeking nearly $10 million for breach of contract.

At a news conference Wednesday, representatives from Veolia and groups including the Council of Baptist Pastors of Detroit & Vicinity and the RainbowPUSH Coalition urged Mayor Dave Bing to reverse DDOT's decision on Veolia.

"We're hoping Mayor Bing will call a meeting, bring the parties together and try to resolve it," said Isaac Robinson, political director for the Michigan Teamsters Joint Council No. 43, which represents Veolia drivers.

Bing's office released a statement saying the city will continue to provide paratransit service but not commenting on Veolia's allegations.

Robinson said 125 unionized drivers will lose their jobs if the city stands by its decision, and the people they served worry that the new contractors aren't providing service that meets Americans with Disabilities Act mandates.

You can read the entire Freep article by visiting the following web-page:
http://www.freep. com/article/ 20091119/ NEWS01/911190465 /1322/Disabled- riders-to- Bing-Undo- switch-in- transit-service

Meanwhile, a similar story, titled "Detroit group seeks para-transit firm's return," ran in The Detroit News. Here's an excerpt from that article....

Detroit --A minister, disabled passengers and bus drivers called for Mayor Dave Bing to pay Veolia Transportation so that the company can return as a para-transit provider.

The Rev. David Bullock, chair of the issues committee for the Council of Baptist Pastors, said Veolia has a contract with the city through 2011, but the Detroit Department of Transportation stopped paying in February. He led a group of about 25 people in chants of "Protect our seniors" and "Keep the money in Detroit" on Wednesday outside of the Michigan Rehabilitation Institute on John R near Mack on the city's east side.

"This issue must be solved today," Bullock said. "While politicians are talking about litigation, people are losing their jobs, and while people are talking about 'it's in process,' people are getting into Checker Cabs and not getting the service that's required. We need resolution today."

Earlier this month, the city announced ATC/Vancom Inc. recently operating as Veolia Transportation, will no longer provide Detroit Metro Lift para-transit service to about 1,200 customers.

But disabled transit advocates said they were pleased with Veolia Transportation as its service provider, and the other vendors are not giving adequate service.

The Rev. Robert Smith, who is blind, told fellow pastors at the Council of Baptist Pastors meeting Tuesday that he has filed 22 complaints with DDOT and was dropped off at the wrong location by a cab.

Smith is a member of Northwest Community Baptist Church. During public discussions at the Rose Park Transit Center on Tuesday, blind and disabled residents who use wheelchairs called on DDOT to resolve their issues with Veolia to stay in compliance with the Americans with Disabilities Act and provide safe and reliable para-transit service.

Disabled and elderly passengers have expressed numerous complaints about the five independent contractors DDOT is using.

The complete www.Detnews. com article can be found at:
http://www.detnews. com/article/ 20091118/ METRO/911180420/ 1361/Group- seeks-return- of-para-transit- company-in- Detroit

#3043

From: "H.B.Craig-II" <hbcraig2@...>
Date: Thu Nov 19, 2009 11:02 pm
Subject: Re: DDOT Paratransit Service - What's the Deal???

grp_stationm...

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http://www.freep.com/article/20091119/NEWS01/911190465/1322/Disabled-riders-to-Bing-Undo-switch-in-transit-service

Here's an update on the MetroLift/D-DOT/DM1 para-transit issue. According to the following excerpt from today's Detroit Free Press, in an article titled "Disabled riders to Bing: Undo switch in transit service," it looks like the matter is headed to the courts. Here's from www.Freep.com....

People with disabilities and senior citizens called on Detroit leaders Wednesday to reverse an apparent decision to switch providers of specialized MetroLift rides that serve those who have trouble using regular buses.

The city announced earlier this month that Veolia Transportation would no longer be a provider of paratransit services. Officials said Veolia terminated its contract with the city Nov. 6.

But Veolia officials said Wednesday that the city stopped making payments in February, started contracting with other companies and has refused to discuss the issue. Veolia has provided paratransit services for the Detroit Department of Transportation since 1999 and was contracted through 2011.

Veolia has sued the city in U.S. District Court in Detroit, seeking nearly $10 million for breach of contract.

At a news conference Wednesday, representatives from Veolia and groups including the Council of Baptist Pastors of Detroit & Vicinity and the RainbowPUSH Coalition urged Mayor Dave Bing to reverse DDOT's decision on Veolia.

"We're hoping Mayor Bing will call a meeting, bring the parties together and try to resolve it," said Isaac Robinson, political director for the Michigan Teamsters Joint Council No. 43, which represents Veolia drivers.

Bing's office released a statement saying the city will continue to provide paratransit service but not commenting on Veolia's allegations.

Robinson said 125 unionized drivers will lose their jobs if the city stands by its decision, and the people they served worry that the new contractors aren't providing service that meets Americans with Disabilities Act mandates.

You can read the entire Freep article by visiting the following web-page:

Meanwhile, a similar story, titled "Detroit group seeks para-transit firm's return," ran in The Detroit News. Here's an excerpt from that article....

Detroit --A minister, disabled passengers and bus drivers called for Mayor Dave Bing to pay Veolia Transportation so that the company can return as a para-transit provider.

The Rev. David Bullock, chair of the issues committee for the Council of Baptist Pastors, said Veolia has a contract with the city through 2011, but the Detroit Department of Transportation stopped paying in February. He led a group of about 25 people in chants of "Protect our seniors" and "Keep the money in Detroit" on Wednesday outside of the Michigan Rehabilitation Institute on John R near Mack on the city's east side.

"This issue must be solved today," Bullock said. "While politicians are talking about litigation, people are losing their jobs, and while people are talking about 'it's in process,' people are getting into Checker Cabs and not getting the service that's required. We need resolution today."

Earlier this month, the city announced ATC/Vancom Inc. recently operating as Veolia Transportation, will no longer provide Detroit Metro Lift para-transit service to about 1,200 customers.

But disabled transit advocates said they were pleased with Veolia Transportation as its service provider, and the other vendors are not giving adequate service.

The Rev. Robert Smith, who is blind, told fellow pastors at the Council of Baptist Pastors meeting Tuesday that he has filed 22 complaints with DDOT and was dropped off at the wrong location by a cab.

Smith is a member of Northwest Community Baptist Church. During public discussions at the Rose Park Transit Center on Tuesday, blind and disabled residents who use wheelchairs called on DDOT to resolve their issues with Veolia to stay in compliance with the Americans with Disabilities Act and provide safe and reliable para-transit service.

Disabled and elderly passengers have expressed numerous complaints about the five independent contractors DDOT is using.

The complete www.Detnews.com article can be found at:

http://www.detnews.com/article/20091118/METRO/911180420/1361/Group-seeks-return-of-para-transit-company-in-Detroit

#3042

From: DSR-2-DOT@yahoogroups.com
Date: Mon Nov 16, 2009 5:05 am
Subject: Anniversary Reminder

DSR-2-DOT@yahoogroups.com

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Title:		DETROIT TROLLEY-BUS SERVICE ENDED ON THIS DATE IN 1962

Date:		Monday November 16, 2009
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Repeats:		This event repeats every year.
Notes:		On this date in Detroit Transit History: TRACKLESS TROLLEY-COACH SERVICE ENDED On Friday, November 16, 1962, the last DSR line to offer electric surface transportation was converted to buses. The eighty St. Louis Car Co. built trolley-buses, which had operated on Grand River since July 1951, were put out of service on this date. Grand River then became the last DSR route to be converted to all buses. One year earlier, Twin Coach built trolley-bus service on the Crosstown (Warren Ave.) line ceased on March 31, 1961.

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#3041

From: Carl Dutch <carlscomputers@...>
Date: Sun Nov 15, 2009 10:22 pm
Subject: Re: DDOT Paratransit Service - What's the Deal???

carlscomputers

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Only those with "Top Secret" clearance know what's going on with that project!!!

--- On Sun, 11/15/09, H.B.Craig-II <hbcraig2@...> wrote:

From: H.B.Craig-II <hbcraig2@...>
Subject: [DSR-2-DOT] DDOT Paratransit Service - What's the Deal???
To: "\'DSR-2-DOT@yahoogroups.com\'" <dsr-2-dot@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Sunday, November 15, 2009, 5:05 PM

So what's up with MetroLift?? First I ran across the following News Release posted on the City of Detroit's web-site dated October 8, 2009....

TRANSPORTATION DEPT. INTRODUCES DETROIT MOBILITY 1ST
A Change in DDOT ADA Complementary Paratransit Service

10/8/2009
Detroit News

Effective Monday, October 12 at 11:59 p.m., a change to the Detroit Department of Transportation' s (DDOT) Detroit MetroLift Paratransit Service will be introduced. Detroit MetroLift will transition to DDOT's new Detroit Mobility 1st (DM1) service. ATC Vancom/Veolia will no longer provide paratransit services for DDOT.

DM1 is designed to improve performance in all aspects of DDOT's paratransit service delivery to Detroit's elderly, disabled, and low-income riders, as well as increase accessibility. The change will ensure increased levels of on-time, reliable, and customer-friendly service that address the specific needs of our ADA passengers, according
to Lovevett Williams, DDOT Director.

Based on individual mobility needs, riders will now board either bright yellow Checker Cab sedans or Enjoi Transportation vehicles that may be white, gray, or burgundy marked or white unmarked wheelchair accessible vans. As DDOT adds more transit providers, customers will be immediately notified by direct mail, or information will be available through DDOT Customer Service or by visiting DDOT's Web site at www.RideDetroitTran sit.com.

All drivers are certified by DDOT to ensure full compliance with Federal Transit Administration (FTA) requirements. At all times, each driver will visibly display on their person, a DDOT-issued photo identification badge that identifies them as a DDOT-certified driver. Each vehicle will also display a DDOT-issued vehicle identifier in its window.

Although many services are enhanced to provide quality performance, as activities progress, DDOT is making every effort to make it a seamless transition for paratransit riders, Williams said.

However, then I came across another City of Detroit News Release posted the following day, dated October 9, 2009, which contained the following... ..

DETROIT DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION TO CONTINUE PARATRANSIT SERVICE

10/9/2009
Detroit News
NOTE: The previously issued release regarding paratransit service has been retracted.

OKay, But then I ran across this from the Novemer 6, 2009 online edition of The Detroit News....

Transit company for the disabled is dropped

The city announced Thursday that ATC/Vancom Inc., recently operating as Veolia Transportation, will no longer provide Detroit Metro Lift para-transit service. The city's bus service will continue to do so using different providers for the service that provides direct delivery to those with disabilities.

Anybody know what's going on here? So I take it Metrolift is no more? ...and yellow Checker Cabs and "unmarked" vans are the replacement vehicles? I guess I'm missing something here!

#3040

From: "H.B.Craig-II" <hbcraig2@...>
Date: Sun Nov 15, 2009 10:05 pm
Subject: DDOT Paratransit Service - What's the Deal???

grp_stationm...

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So what's up with MetroLift?? First I ran across the following News Release posted on the City of Detroit's web-site dated October 8, 2009....

TRANSPORTATION DEPT. INTRODUCES DETROIT MOBILITY 1ST
A Change in DDOT ADA Complementary Paratransit Service

10/8/2009
Detroit News

Effective Monday, October 12 at 11:59 p.m., a change to the Detroit Department of Transportation's (DDOT) Detroit MetroLift Paratransit Service will be introduced. Detroit MetroLift will transition to DDOT's new Detroit Mobility 1st (DM1) service. ATC Vancom/Veolia will no longer provide paratransit services for DDOT.

DM1 is designed to improve performance in all aspects of DDOT's paratransit service delivery to Detroit's elderly, disabled, and low-income riders, as well as increase accessibility. The change will ensure increased levels of on-time, reliable, and customer-friendly service that address the specific needs of our ADA passengers, according
to Lovevett Williams, DDOT Director.

Based on individual mobility needs, riders will now board either bright yellow Checker Cab sedans or Enjoi Transportation vehicles that may be white, gray, or burgundy marked or white unmarked wheelchair accessible vans. As DDOT adds more transit providers, customers will be immediately notified by direct mail, or information will be available through DDOT Customer Service or by visiting DDOT's Web site at www.RideDetroitTransit.com.

All drivers are certified by DDOT to ensure full compliance with Federal Transit Administration (FTA) requirements. At all times, each driver will visibly display on their person, a DDOT-issued photo identification badge that identifies them as a DDOT-certified driver. Each vehicle will also display a DDOT-issued vehicle identifier in its window.

Although many services are enhanced to provide quality performance, as activities progress, DDOT is making every effort to make it a seamless transition for paratransit riders, Williams said.

However, then I came across another City of Detroit News Release posted the following day, dated October 9, 2009, which contained the following.....

DETROIT DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION TO CONTINUE PARATRANSIT SERVICE

10/9/2009
Detroit News
NOTE: The previously issued release regarding paratransit service has been retracted.

OKay, But then I ran across this from the Novemer 6, 2009 online edition of The Detroit News....

Transit company for the disabled is dropped

The city announced Thursday that ATC/Vancom Inc., recently operating as Veolia Transportation, will no longer provide Detroit Metro Lift para-transit service. The city's bus service will continue to do so using different providers for the service that provides direct delivery to those with disabilities.

Anybody know what's going on here? So I take it Metrolift is no more? ...and yellow Checker Cabs and "unmarked" vans are the replacement vehicles? I guess I'm missing something here!

#3039

From: MARTIN EDWARDS CLARK <yahtouchus@...>
Date: Thu Nov 12, 2009 2:21 pm
Subject: Re: Is it possible to change the destinations on the electronic signs...

yahtouchus

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Dr. Scott,

I have forwarded this request to my supervisors and they will take it under advisement.

Martin Edwards - Clark
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Leadership and Organizational Change Specialization
Knowledge Management Concentration
Detroit, Michigan 48224
Eastern Standard Time

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From: professorscottfromdetroit <anderssc@...>
To: DSR-2-DOT@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, November 10, 2009 2:52:09 PM
Subject: [DSR-2-DOT] Is it possible to change the destinations on the electronic signs...

Hi to all,

I'm a frequent enough rider on both DDOT and SMART, I've met some of the DDOT folks over the years from various things I work on, and I have a question.

Some of the buses give a specific facility as the destination on the electronic signs in the window, so for instance the northbound Dexter buses typically say "Northland" or "Providence Hospital". Some give just the name of the street at the end of the route, such as the westbound Puritan bus which says "Southfield" .

The Linwood buses northbound say they are going to "Livernois". That's great, but Livernois is about ten miles long; Linwood and Livernois do not intersect, so if you don't already know where the Linwood bus goes, you still wouldn't know from the sign.

The actual destination is the U of D Mercy campus. Who would we talk to (I teach at UDM) in order to have the destination on the sign actually say "U of D Mercy" or some such thing?

Thanks,
Scott

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#3038

From: "professorscottfromdetroit" <anderssc@...>
Date: Tue Nov 10, 2009 7:52 pm
Subject: Is it possible to change the destinations on the electronic signs...

professorsco...

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Hi to all,

I'm a frequent enough rider on both DDOT and SMART, I've met some of the DDOT
folks over the years from various things I work on, and I have a question.

Some of the buses give a specific facility as the destination on the electronic
signs in the window, so for instance the northbound Dexter buses typically say
"Northland" or "Providence Hospital".  Some give just the name of the street at
the end of the route, such as the westbound Puritan bus which says "Southfield".

The Linwood buses northbound say they are going to "Livernois".  That's great,
but Livernois is about ten miles long; Linwood and Livernois do not intersect,
so if you don't already know where the Linwood bus goes, you still wouldn't know
from the sign.

The actual destination is the U of D Mercy campus.  Who would we talk to (I
teach at UDM) in order to have the destination on the sign actually say "U of D
Mercy" or some such thing?

Thanks,
Scott

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#3037

From: "g2as_in_good@..." <g2as_in_good@...>
Date: Mon Nov 9, 2009 4:11 pm
Subject: Re: City Bus Driver Suspended for Insisting Passengers Pray

g2as_in_good

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-- Sent from my Palm Pre

DSR-2-DOT Moderator wrote:

Here's one for the "to pray or not to pray" column. A Metropolitan Atlanta Rapid Transit Authority (MARTA) bus driver was suspended because passengers said he stopped his bus and insisted that they all hold hands while he led them in prayer. Check this out!...

ATLANTA (AP) An Atlanta city bus driver has been suspended for five days after passengers said he insisted they hold hands as he led them in prayer.

MARTA spokesman Lyle V. Harris told the Atlanta Journal-Constitution that LeRoy Matthews' behavior during the Nov. 3 incident violated MARTA policy.

According to a complaint filed with MARTA, when a passenger approached the front of the bus when it stopped around 7:30 p.m., Matthews stood and asked everyone to hold hands for a brief prayer. The complaint says the prayer lasted four to five minutes.

Harris says it is unclear what they prayed for or about and whether this has happened before Matthews has worked for MARTA for six years.

Did MARTA management go too far, or not far enough???

For more on this story see: http://www.ajc.com/news/marta-bus-driver-suspended-188965.html

#3036

From: MARTIN EDWARDS CLARK <yahtouchus@...>
Date: Tue Nov 10, 2009 6:00 pm
Subject: Re: Re: City Bus Driver Suspended for Insisting Passengers Pray

yahtouchus

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Although you make a point about respecting beliefs, MARTA had to set a precident: when you sign your hiring contract, unless they hired you as a chaplin, stick to your job. Suppose a terrorist wants you to pray on the coach (and let's not forget there are terrorist of every religious and non-religous belief), would allowing this bus driver to get away might start something that couldn't be stopped. Besides, public prayer doesn't make you truly spiritual, as the Messiah said, "And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.

But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly." Matthew 6:5 - 6

No matter what religion you are, wise words that if followed would stop a lot of trouble!

Martin Edwards - Clark

From: Latonha <latonha@...>
To: DSR-2-DOT@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, November 10, 2009 7:57:03 AM
Subject: [DSR-2-DOT] Re: City Bus Driver Suspended for Insisting Passengers Pray

Well. I believe that everyone has a right there own beliefs. We may not like there views or practices, but we should respect them. The passengers should not have been subjected to participate in her prayer session against there will. No matter what was going on good or bad. The driver was delaying service, big no no! I don't think the driver should have been fired over it NO. Written up yes. Maybe even suspended for a few day. But FIRED! WOW. I thing we should pray for this driver to get there job back.

--- In DSR-2-DOT@yahoogrou ps.com, DSR-2-DOT Moderator <dsr-2-ddot@ ...> wrote:
>
> Here's one for the "to pray or not to pray" column. A Metropolitan Atlanta Rapid Transit Authority (MARTA) bus driver was suspended because passengers said he stopped his bus and insisted that they all hold hands while he led them in prayer. Check this out!...
>
> ATLANTA (AP) An Atlanta city bus driver has been suspended for five days after passengers said he insisted they hold hands as he led them in prayer.
>
> MARTA spokesman Lyle V. Harris told the Atlanta Journal-Constitutio n that LeRoy Matthews' behavior during the Nov. 3 incident violated MARTA policy.
>
> According to a complaint filed with MARTA, when a passenger approached the front of the bus when it stopped around 7:30 p.m., Matthews stood and asked everyone to hold hands for a brief prayer. The complaint says the prayer lasted four to five minutes.
>
> Harris says it is unclear what they prayed for or about and whether this has happened before. Matthews has worked for MARTA for six years.
>
>
> Did MARTA management go too far, or not far enough???
>
> For more on this story see: http://www.ajc. com/news/ marta-bus- driver-suspended -188965.html
>

#3035

From: "Latonha" <latonha@...>
Date: Tue Nov 10, 2009 12:57 pm
Subject: Re: City Bus Driver Suspended for Insisting Passengers Pray

stokes3846

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Well. I believe that everyone has a right there own beliefs. We may not like
there views or practices, but we should respect them. The passengers should not
have been subjected to participate in her prayer session against there will. No
matter what was going on good or bad. The driver was delaying service, big no
no! I don't think the driver should have been fired over it NO. Written up yes.
Maybe even suspended for a few day. But FIRED! WOW. I thing we should pray for
this driver to get there job back.

--- In DSR-2-DOT@yahoogroups.com, DSR-2-DOT Moderator <dsr-2-ddot@...> wrote:
>
> Here's one for the "to pray or not to pray" column. A Metropolitan Atlanta
Rapid Transit Authority (MARTA) bus driver was suspended because passengers said
he stopped his bus and insisted that they all hold hands while he led them in
prayer. Check this out!...
>
> ATLANTA (AP) An Atlanta city bus driver has been suspended for five days after
passengers said he insisted they hold hands as he led them in prayer.
>
> MARTA spokesman Lyle V. Harris told the Atlanta Journal-Constitution that
LeRoy Matthews' behavior during the Nov. 3 incident violated MARTA policy.
>
> According to a complaint filed with MARTA, when a passenger approached the
front of the bus when it stopped around 7:30 p.m., Matthews stood and asked
everyone to hold hands for a brief prayer. The complaint says the prayer lasted
four to five minutes.
>
> Harris says it is unclear what they prayed for or about and whether this has
happened before. Matthews has worked for MARTA for six years.
>
> �
> Did MARTA management go too far, or not far enough???�
> �
> For more on this story see:
http://www.ajc.com/news/marta-bus-driver-suspended-188965.html
>

#3034

From: iris hill <sweetirislady@...>
Date: Tue Nov 10, 2009 3:44 am
Subject: RE: City Bus Driver Suspended for Insisting Passengers Pray

sweetirislady

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Religion has its time & place. Forcing passengers to pray at a time their lives were not in jeopardy, wrong. Not everyone believes in God, sorry to say. They are called (can't spell it) but A-thee-ist. A-thee-ist go out in fits you make them pray.

--- On Mon, 11/9/09, Janice Harris <janiceisnice@...> wrote:

From: Janice Harris <janiceisnice@...>
Subject: RE: [DSR-2-DOT] City Bus Driver Suspended for Insisting Passengers Pray
To: DSR-2-DOT@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, November 9, 2009, 5:09 PM

Did MARTA management go too far, or not far enough???

I don't know. Lets ask the Father :-)

From: DSR-2-DOT@yahoogrou ps.com [mailto:DSR- 2-DOT@yahoogroup s.com] On Behalf Of DSR-2-DOT Moderator
Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 10:46 AM
To: dsr-2-dot@yahoogrou ps.com
Subject: [DSR-2-DOT] City Bus Driver Suspended for Insisting Passengers Pray

Here's one for the "to pray or not to pray" column. A Metropolitan Atlanta Rapid Transit Authority (MARTA) bus driver was suspended because passengers said he stopped his bus and insisted that they all hold hands while he led them in prayer. Check this out!...

ATLANTA (AP) An Atlanta city bus driver has been suspended for five days after passengers said he insisted they hold hands as he led them in prayer.

MARTA spokesman Lyle V. Harris told the Atlanta Journal-Constitutio n that LeRoy Matthews' behavior during the Nov. 3 incident violated MARTA policy.

According to a complaint filed with MARTA, when a passenger approached the front of the bus when it stopped around 7:30 p.m., Matthews stood and asked everyone to hold hands for a brief prayer. The complaint says the prayer lasted four to five minutes.

Harris says it is unclear what they prayed for or about and whether this has happened before. Matthews has worked for MARTA for six years.

Did MARTA management go too far, or not far enough???

For more on this story see: http://www.ajc. com/news/ marta-bus- driver-suspended -188965.html

#3033

From: "Janice Harris" <janiceisnice@...>
Date: Mon Nov 9, 2009 10:09 pm
Subject: RE: City Bus Driver Suspended for Insisting Passengers Pray

janiceisapow...

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Did MARTA management go too far, or not far enough???

I don't know. Lets ask the Father :-)

From: DSR-2-DOT@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DSR-2-DOT@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of DSR-2-DOT Moderator
Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 10:46 AM
To: dsr-2-dot@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [DSR-2-DOT] City Bus Driver Suspended for Insisting Passengers Pray

Did MARTA management go too far, or not far enough???

For more on this story see: http://www.ajc.com/news/marta-bus-driver-suspended-188965.html

#3032

From: DSR-2-DOT Moderator <dsr-2-ddot@...>
Date: Mon Nov 9, 2009 3:45 pm
Subject: City Bus Driver Suspended for Insisting Passengers Pray

dsr2ddot_mod...

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Did MARTA management go too far, or not far enough???

For more on this story see: http://www.ajc.com/news/marta-bus-driver-suspended-188965.html

#3031

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Date: Fri Oct 16, 2009 11:39 am
Subject: major USA contract for 'eco tram' firm

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#3030

From: DSR-2-DOT@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sun Nov 1, 2009 6:51 am
Subject: DAYLIGHT SAVING TIME ENDS TODAY!! , 11/1/2009, 2:00 am

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#3029

From: DENNIS GROOMS <dgrooms14@...>
Date: Sat Oct 31, 2009 1:35 pm
Subject: Re: What's it gonna take for us to get some HELP here?...

dgrooms14

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good point marty

--- On Fri, 10/30/09, MARTIN EDWARDS CLARK <yahtouchus@...> wrote:

From: MARTIN EDWARDS CLARK <yahtouchus@...>
Subject: Re: [DSR-2-DOT] What's it gonna take for us to get some HELP here?...
To: DSR-2-DOT@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, October 30, 2009, 3:43 PM

I am not so sure that the money was gone; they were to receive approximately $3.9 million per year. If the court awarded the contract back to DPD, they were entitled to get approximately $3.575 million (allowing for the overlap month.) The actual problem is whether or not Wayne County gave up the money (if they didn't, then it is apart of the $300 million uncollected dollars that city government can't seem to do the necessary paperwork to collect) or, as I truly suspect, it was redirected in the police budget to focus on the types of policing actions that get the attention of those who would be investing in Detroit. We rank transit highly (because we not only work for it, but have watched as other states and cities invest in transit the effect it has on the tax base) but others have their eyes on other growth opportunities. The best thing that I can say is "the victim must help themselves!" I often tell my wife if something goes down at my house {and I am home} don't call the police, call the morgue! A better saying is, "a word to the wise is sufficient!"

Martin Edwards - Clark
New Walden ID: A00075417
Old Walden ID: 0387768
PhD in Applied Management and Decision Sciences
Leadership and Organizational Change Specialization
Knowledge Management Concentration
Detroit, Michigan 48224
Eastern Standard Time

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From: DENNIS GROOMS <dgrooms14@yahoo. com>
To: DSR-2-DOT@yahoogrou ps.com
Sent: Fri, October 30, 2009 3:55:20 AM
Subject: Re: [DSR-2-DOT] What's it gonna take for us to get some HELP here?...

YOU ARE RIGHT DUTCH.IT'S SAD BUT IT GONNA TAKE A TEO TO GET HURT AND IT'S ON TV BEFORE THE CITY WAKE UP AND DO SOMETHING.DPD TOLD ME THAT THE MONEY WAS GONE WHEN THEY TOOK OVER IN JULY.I HAVE GOT TO THE POINT WHY CALL THE POLICE WHEN YOU HAVE A 10-70.THEY ARE NOT COMING.AND I THINK THE PASSENGER'S KNOW TOO

--- On Thu, 10/29/09, Dutch <carlscomputers@ yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Dutch <carlscomputers@ yahoo.com>
Subject: [DSR-2-DOT] What's it gonna take for us to get some HELP here?...
To: DSR-2-DOT@yahoogrou ps.com
Date: Thursday, October 29, 2009, 5:14 AM

10-70 tonight, DPD called three times, no response in 30 minutes!!! 10 DPD cars Downtown securing Red Dawn movie shoot last night... 11.7 Million Dollar Grant awarded to Wayne County Sheriff Department for DDOT Transit Security in May 2007. They were a DDOT dedicated unit, with both marked & unmarked units whose sole responsibility was DDOT security, a task that was done very well, with hard statistical data to back it up. In June, 2009, DPOA won a grievance which awarded them the balance of the contract. They have not done a good job at all!!! There is a lack of concern for Transit Security based on the lack of Officers riding the coaches, the horrible response times, etc., yet they are supposed to be fulfilling the remainder of the contract that DPOA fought so hard to get! There is a lower level at the Federally Funded Rosa Parks Transit Center which is designated as a Detroit Police Mini-Station, yet there are never any Police Officers there? Interesting thing is; Warren Evans was the Sheriff when the contract was awarded to the Wayne County Sheriff Department, now, he is the Chief of the Detroit Police Department?? ? He has clearly shown he knows how to get the job done regarding DDOT Transit Security, yet it seems he is unwilling or unable to do so now? Wake Up Folks! These are peoples lives were talking about here! Has Transit Security been forced to the back seat of the bus in favor of Politics in Detroit? Hmmm?... 11.7 Million Dollars awarded in 2007, DPD awarded the balance of the contract in 2009... Something just ain't adding up here! Wake Up! Take A Stand! Tell it to anyone who'll listen, because I sure as hell am!!!!

#3028

From: MARTIN EDWARDS CLARK <yahtouchus@...>
Date: Fri Oct 30, 2009 7:43 pm
Subject: Re: What's it gonna take for us to get some HELP here?...

yahtouchus

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I am not so sure that the money was gone; they were to receive approximately $3.9 million per year. If the court awarded the contract back to DPD, they were entitled to get approximately $3.575 million (allowing for the overlap month.) The actual problem is whether or not Wayne County gave up the money (if they didn't, then it is apart of the $300 million uncollected dollars that city government can't seem to do the necessary paperwork to collect) or, as I truly suspect, it was redirected in the police budget to focus on the types of policing actions that get the attention of those who would be investing in Detroit. We rank transit highly (because we not only work for it, but have watched as other states and cities invest in transit the effect it has on the tax base) but others have their eyes on other growth opportunities. The best thing that I can say is "the victim must help themselves!" I often tell my wife if something goes down at my house {and I am home} don't call the police, call the morgue! A better saying is, "a word to the wise is sufficient!"

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From: DENNIS GROOMS <dgrooms14@...>
To: DSR-2-DOT@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, October 30, 2009 3:55:20 AM
Subject: Re: [DSR-2-DOT] What's it gonna take for us to get some HELP here?...

YOU ARE RIGHT DUTCH.IT'S SAD BUT IT GONNA TAKE A TEO TO GET HURT AND IT'S ON TV BEFORE THE CITY WAKE UP AND DO SOMETHING.DPD TOLD ME THAT THE MONEY WAS GONE WHEN THEY TOOK OVER IN JULY.I HAVE GOT TO THE POINT WHY CALL THE POLICE WHEN YOU HAVE A 10-70.THEY ARE NOT COMING.AND I THINK THE PASSENGER'S KNOW TOO

--- On Thu, 10/29/09, Dutch <carlscomputers@ yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Dutch <carlscomputers@ yahoo.com>
Subject: [DSR-2-DOT] What's it gonna take for us to get some HELP here?...
To: DSR-2-DOT@yahoogrou ps.com
Date: Thursday, October 29, 2009, 5:14 AM

10-70 tonight, DPD called three times, no response in 30 minutes!!! 10 DPD cars Downtown securing Red Dawn movie shoot last night... 11.7 Million Dollar Grant awarded to Wayne County Sheriff Department for DDOT Transit Security in May 2007. They were a DDOT dedicated unit, with both marked & unmarked units whose sole responsibility was DDOT security, a task that was done very well, with hard statistical data to back it up. In June, 2009, DPOA won a grievance which awarded them the balance of the contract. They have not done a good job at all!!! There is a lack of concern for Transit Security based on the lack of Officers riding the coaches, the horrible response times, etc., yet they are supposed to be fulfilling the remainder of the contract that DPOA fought so hard to get! There is a lower level at the Federally Funded Rosa Parks Transit Center which is designated as a Detroit Police Mini-Station, yet there are never any Police Officers there? Interesting thing is; Warren Evans was the Sheriff when the contract was awarded to the Wayne County Sheriff Department, now, he is the Chief of the Detroit Police Department?? ? He has clearly shown he knows how to get the job done regarding DDOT Transit Security, yet it seems he is unwilling or unable to do so now? Wake Up Folks! These are peoples lives were talking about here! Has Transit Security been forced to the back seat of the bus in favor of Politics in Detroit? Hmmm?... 11.7 Million Dollars awarded in 2007, DPD awarded the balance of the contract in 2009... Something just ain't adding up here! Wake Up! Take A Stand! Tell it to anyone who'll listen, because I sure as hell am!!!!

#3027

From: DENNIS GROOMS <dgrooms14@...>
Date: Fri Oct 30, 2009 7:55 am
Subject: Re: What's it gonna take for us to get some HELP here?...

dgrooms14

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From: Dutch <carlscomputers@...>
Subject: [DSR-2-DOT] What's it gonna take for us to get some HELP here?...
To: DSR-2-DOT@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, October 29, 2009, 5:14 AM

10-70 tonight, DPD called three times, no response in 30 minutes!!! 10 DPD cars Downtown securing Red Dawn movie shoot last night... 11.7 Million Dollar Grant awarded to Wayne County Sheriff Department for DDOT Transit Security in May 2007. They were a DDOT dedicated unit, with both marked & unmarked units whose sole responsibility was DDOT security, a task that was done very well, with hard statistical data to back it up. In June, 2009, DPOA won a grievance which awarded them the balance of the contract. They have not done a good job at all!!! There is a lack of concern for Transit Security based on the lack of Officers riding the coaches, the horrible response times, etc., yet they are supposed to be fulfilling the remainder of the contract that DPOA fought so hard to get! There is a lower level at the Federally Funded Rosa Parks Transit Center which is designated as a Detroit Police Mini-Station, yet there are never any Police Officers there? Interesting thing is; Warren Evans was the Sheriff when the contract was awarded to the Wayne County Sheriff Department, now, he is the Chief of the Detroit Police Department?? ? He has clearly shown he knows how to get the job done regarding DDOT Transit Security, yet it seems he is unwilling or unable to do so now? Wake Up Folks! These are peoples lives were talking about here! Has Transit Security been forced to the back seat of the bus in favor of Politics in Detroit? Hmmm?... 11.7 Million Dollars awarded in 2007, DPD awarded the balance of the contract in 2009... Something just ain't adding up here! Wake Up! Take A Stand! Tell it to anyone who'll listen, because I sure as hell am!!!!

#3026

From: "Dutch" <carlscomputers@...>
Date: Thu Oct 29, 2009 9:14 am
Subject: What's it gonna take for us to get some HELP here?...

carlscomputers

Online Now

10-70 tonight, DPD called three times, no response in 30 minutes!!! 10 DPD cars
Downtown securing Red Dawn movie shoot last night... 11.7 Million Dollar Grant
awarded to Wayne County Sheriff Department for DDOT Transit Security in May
2007. They were a DDOT dedicated unit, with both marked & unmarked units whose
sole responsibility was DDOT security, a task that was done very well, with hard
statistical data to back it up. In June, 2009, DPOA won a grievance which
awarded them the balance of the contract. They have not done a good job at
all!!! There is a lack of concern for Transit Security based on the lack of
Officers riding the coaches, the horrible response times, etc., yet they are
supposed to be fulfilling the remainder of the contract that DPOA fought so hard
to get! There is a lower level at the Federally Funded Rosa Parks Transit Center
which is designated as a Detroit Police Mini-Station, yet there are never any
Police Officers there? Interesting thing is; Warren Evans was the Sheriff when
the contract was awarded to the Wayne County Sheriff Department, now, he is the
Chief of the Detroit Police Department??? He has clearly shown he knows how to
get the job done regarding DDOT Transit Security, yet it seems he is unwilling
or unable to do so now? Wake Up Folks! These are peoples lives were talking
about here! Has Transit Security been forced to the back seat of the bus in
favor of Politics in Detroit? Hmmm?... 11.7 Million Dollars awarded in 2007, DPD
awarded the balance of the contract in 2009... Something just ain't adding up
here! Wake Up! Take A Stand! Tell it to anyone who'll listen, because I sure as
hell am!!!!

#3025

From: DSR-2-DOT@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thu Oct 29, 2009 6:56 am
Subject: DAYLIGHT SAVING TIME ENDS THIS SUNDAY!! , 11/1/2009, 2:00 am

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#3024

From: Carl Dutch <carlscomputers@...>
Date: Tue Oct 27, 2009 7:22 pm
Subject: Re: Re: New Dexter Bus Stop Signs (oops!!)

carlscomputers

Online Now

Thanks Marty! I guess I was a bit harsh... kinda feel like I'm hitting my head against a wall around here sometimes...

--- On Tue, 10/27/09, MARTIN EDWARDS CLARK <yahtouchus@...> wrote:

From: MARTIN EDWARDS CLARK <yahtouchus@...>
Subject: Re: [DSR-2-DOT] Re: New Dexter Bus Stop Signs (oops!!)
To: DSR-2-DOT@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, October 27, 2009, 3:05 PM

no dutch, it takes time to reload the messages...if you remember the decision to kill the routes happened after the pick had already start and they had to do another pick. should be resolved on the next sign-up
Martin Edwards - Clark
New Walden ID: A00075417
Old Walden ID: 0387768
PhD in Applied Management and Decision Sciences
Leadership and Organizational Change Specialization
Knowledge Management Concentration
Detroit, Michigan 48224
Eastern Standard Time

Additional Contact Information:
Walden E-mail: martin.edwards- clark@waldenu. edu
Work E-mail: maredw@detroitmi. gov
Work Phone: (313)833-7713
Cell Phone: (313)748-2052

From: Dutch <carlscomputers@ yahoo.com>
To: DSR-2-DOT@yahoogrou ps.com
Sent: Monday, October 26, 2009 5:46:37 PM
Subject: [DSR-2-DOT] Re: New Dexter Bus Stop Signs (oops!!)

On a related note, I was riding the Westbound Joy Rd Coach one day last week & when we approached McGraw, guess what the audible transfer point announcement said?... Yep! Connection to Route 20, Grand Belt! Maybe they plan on bringing the route back? Maybe it's gonna take a year or two for the corrections to be made? Maybe "They" just don't give a damn?!

--- In DSR-2-DOT@yahoogrou ps.com, "H.B.Craig-II" <hbcraig2@.. .> wrote:
>
> Here's another one of those items that makes me wanna go, Hmmmm!
> I was driving along both McNichols and Livernois the other day and happen to notice that the new DDOT bus stop signs have recently been installed along the #16 Dexter route, even along Curtis. Evidently the project seems to be moving ahead city-wide, which is a good thing.
>
> However, one of the new Dexter signs caught my attention while I was driving east along W. Grand Blvd. at the John C. Lodge Freeway. It even made me do a double-take! The sign, located atop the F-way overpass and installed within the last few days, listed the #16 Dexter and the #20 Grand Belt bus lines as the two bus routes that can be boarded at that location. Hmmmm!, I wonder how long it will take for a Grand Belt bus to show up if I stand there? Maybe King (I mean Mayor) Bing can work his dictatorial powers and hook me up with a Grand Belt bus if I wait there long enough?!
>

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#3023

From: MARTIN EDWARDS CLARK <yahtouchus@...>
Date: Tue Oct 27, 2009 7:05 pm
Subject: Re: Re: New Dexter Bus Stop Signs (oops!!)

yahtouchus

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no dutch, it takes time to reload the messages...if you remember the decision to kill the routes happened after the pick had already start and they had to do another pick. should be resolved on the next sign-up

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From: Dutch <carlscomputers@...>
To: DSR-2-DOT@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, October 26, 2009 5:46:37 PM
Subject: [DSR-2-DOT] Re: New Dexter Bus Stop Signs (oops!!)

On a related note, I was riding the Westbound Joy Rd Coach one day last week & when we approached McGraw, guess what the audible transfer point announcement said?... Yep! Connection to Route 20, Grand Belt! Maybe they plan on bringing the route back? Maybe it's gonna take a year or two for the corrections to be made? Maybe "They" just don't give a damn?!

--- In DSR-2-DOT@yahoogrou ps.com, "H.B.Craig-II" <hbcraig2@.. .> wrote:
>
> Here's another one of those items that makes me wanna go, Hmmmm!
> I was driving along both McNichols and Livernois the other day and happen to notice that the new DDOT bus stop signs have recently been installed along the #16 Dexter route, even along Curtis. Evidently the project seems to be moving ahead city-wide, which is a good thing.
>
> However, one of the new Dexter signs caught my attention while I was driving east along W. Grand Blvd. at the John C. Lodge Freeway. It even made me do a double-take! The sign, located atop the F-way overpass and installed within the last few days, listed the #16 Dexter and the #20 Grand Belt bus lines as the two bus routes that can be boarded at that location. Hmmmm!, I wonder how long it will take for a Grand Belt bus to show up if I stand there? Maybe King (I mean Mayor) Bing can work his dictatorial powers and hook me up with a Grand Belt bus if I wait there long enough?!
>

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#3022

From: iris hill <sweetirislady@...>
Date: Tue Oct 27, 2009 6:10 pm
Subject: Re: Re: Online DDOT System Map Now Available On DDOT Website!

sweetirislady

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WOW!!! Mr. Craig you are so right.

--- On Mon, 10/26/09, H.B.CRAIG,2nd <hbcraig2@...> wrote:

From: H.B.CRAIG,2nd <hbcraig2@...>
Subject: [DSR-2-DOT] Re: Online DDOT System Map Now Available On DDOT Website!
To: DSR-2-DOT@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, October 26, 2009, 1:57 PM

Hey D. Grooms, I just heard about your unfortunate experience with those unruly Cody High students this morning while at work. I trust you're doing alright! Yeah, too bad Wayne County isn't still around, I'm sure there would have been a dramatic difference in the response time. Remember it was the DPOA union that went to court to take the transit security unit from the WC sheriff deputies, knowing full well that the DPD couldn't handle the detail. I agree with group member Dutch, who posted a YouTube video link a few messages ago regarding the two assaults on TEOs this past weekend, that something has to be done before it's too late. The current nonexistent DPD setup just ain't working and, God forbid, could possibly result in deadly consequences! !

BTW, no apologies necessary!

--- In DSR-2-DOT@yahoogrou ps.com, DENNIS GROOMS <dgrooms14@.. .> wrote:
>
> THAT'S THE CITY,ALWAY'S GIVING WRONG INFROMATION. ON ANOTHER NOTE.I WANNA APOLOGY TO YOU MR.CRAIG AND THE GROUP FOR BASHING THE SHERIFF WHEN THEY WERE REMOVE BACK IN JUNE.AS YOU KNOW I WAS ALMOST ATTACK BY SOME CODY HIGH SCHOOL KID'S LAST THURSDAY.THE POLICE DID'NT SHOW UP THE FIRST TIME.THEN ABOUT A HOUR AND HALF.A TEO HAD PROBLEM'S WITH THE KID'S.THIS TIME THE POLICE ARRIVED.THESE CODY KID'S HAVE BEEN GIVING THE CHICAGO DAVISON TEO'S THE BLUE'S.SOMETHING MUST BE DONE OR SOMETHING BAD IS GOING TO HAPPEN TO THE TEO'S ON THIS LINE.ALSO I WANNA THANK THE TEO'S WHO CALL ME TO SEE IF I'M WAS OK.ONCE AGAIN MR.CRAIG YOU WERE RIGHT ABOUT DPD.
>
> --- On Sun, 10/25/09, H.B.Craig-II hbcraig2@... wrote:
>
>
> From: H.B.Craig-II hbcraig2@...
> Subject: [DSR-2-DOT] Online DDOT System Map Now Available On DDOT Website!
> To: "\'DSR-2-DOT@ yahoogroups. com\'" dsr-2-dot@yahoogrou ps.com
> Date: Sunday, October 25, 2009, 7:52 AM
>
>
> Over the last few years or so, the discussion has arisen here, and on a few other local discussion boards, regarding the absence of an "on-line" system-wide map on the official DDOT web-site www.RideDetroitTran sit.com. Well, last night I went over to the DDOT site and what do you know! DDOT has now uploaded a PDF version of its January 2009 DDOT System Map to be viewed online.
>
> Unfortunately, someone forgot to tell Mayor Bing and crew that the map was going online since his administration went ahead and eliminated routes #20 and #24, which are still displayed on the map. However, a disclaimer on the site does reads, "...An updated map is currently being developed and should be available by January 2010," which will also include the current routing through the downtown RPTC.
>
> To view this PDF.file (10.8MB) of the DDOT System Map click-on the following link:
> http://www.detroitm i.gov/Portals/ 0/docs/deptoftra nsportation/ pdfs/DDOT_ System_Map_ 2009.pdf
>

#3021

From: iris hill <sweetirislady@...>
Date: Tue Oct 27, 2009 6:00 pm
Subject: Re: Online DDOT System Map Now Available On DDOT Website!

sweetirislady

Offline

Dennis first of all, I'm so sorry to hear that happened to you. Are you alright? The after effects is what hit you the hardest. Second yes I said the same thing Mr. Craig said. But I have hopes with Warren Evans in charged, things would get better. Give him somemore time.

--- On Mon, 10/26/09, Fleetwood Rock <gstone770@...> wrote:

From: Fleetwood Rock <gstone770@...>
Subject: Re: [DSR-2-DOT] Online DDOT System Map Now Available On DDOT Website!
To: DSR-2-DOT@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, October 26, 2009, 7:59 AM

He Maaaaaaaan I said the Same Thang Too You.....So I want My Cookies and Doughnuts also...
My Blackberry Has Plenty Of Juice.......

From: DENNIS GROOMS <dgrooms14@yahoo. com>

Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 04:19:47 -0700 (PDT)

To: <DSR-2-DOT@yahoogrou ps.com>

Subject: Re: [DSR-2-DOT] Online DDOT System Map Now Available On DDOT Website!

THAT'S THE CITY,ALWAY'S GIVING WRONG INFROMATION. ON ANOTHER NOTE.I WANNA APOLOGY TO YOU MR.CRAIG AND THE GROUP FOR BASHING THE SHERIFF WHEN THEY WERE REMOVE BACK IN JUNE.AS YOU KNOW I WAS ALMOST ATTACK BY SOME CODY HIGH SCHOOL KID'S LAST THURSDAY.THE POLICE DID'NT SHOW UP THE FIRST TIME.THEN ABOUT A HOUR AND HALF.A TEO HAD PROBLEM'S WITH THE KID'S.THIS TIME THE POLICE ARRIVED.THESE CODY KID'S HAVE BEEN GIVING THE CHICAGO DAVISON TEO'S THE BLUE'S.SOMETHING MUST BE DONE OR SOMETHING BAD IS GOING TO HAPPEN TO THE TEO'S ON THIS LINE.ALSO I WANNA THANK THE TEO'S WHO CALL ME TO SEE IF I'M WAS OK.ONCE AGAIN MR.CRAIG YOU WERE RIGHT ABOUT DPD.

--- On Sun, 10/25/09, H.B.Craig-II <hbcraig2@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: H.B.Craig-II <hbcraig2@yahoo. com>
Subject: [DSR-2-DOT] Online DDOT System Map Now Available On DDOT Website!
To: "\'DSR-2-DOT@ yahoogroups. com\'" <dsr-2-dot@yahoogrou ps.com>
Date: Sunday, October 25, 2009, 7:52 AM

Over the last few years or so, the discussion has arisen here, and on a few other local discussion boards, regarding the absence of an "on-line" system-wide map on the official DDOT web-site www.RideDetroitTran sit.com. Well, last night I went over to the DDOT site and what do you know! DDOT has now uploaded a PDF version of its January 2009 DDOT System Map to be viewed online.

Unfortunately, someone forgot to tell Mayor Bing and crew that the map was going online since his administration went ahead and eliminated routes #20 and #24, which are still displayed on the map. However, a disclaimer on the site does reads, "...An updated map is currently being developed and should be available by January 2010," which will also include the current routing through the downtown RPTC.

To view this PDF.file (10.8MB) of the DDOT System Map click-on the following link:

http://www.detroitm i.gov/Portals/ 0/docs/deptoftra nsportation/ pdfs/DDOT_ System_Map_ 2009.pdf

#3020

From: "Dutch" <carlscomputers@...>
Date: Mon Oct 26, 2009 9:46 pm
Subject: Re: New Dexter Bus Stop Signs (oops!!)

carlscomputers

Online Now

On a related note, I was riding the Westbound Joy Rd Coach one day last week &
when we approached McGraw, guess what the audible transfer point announcement
said?... Yep! Connection to Route 20, Grand Belt! Maybe they plan on bringing
the route back? Maybe it's gonna take a year or two for the corrections to be
made? Maybe "They" just don't give a damn?!

--- In DSR-2-DOT@yahoogroups.com, "H.B.Craig-II" <hbcraig2@...> wrote:
>
> Here's another one of those items that makes me wanna go, Hmmmm!
> I was driving along both McNichols and Livernois the other day and happen to
notice that the new DDOT bus stop signs have recently been installed along the
#16 Dexter route, even along Curtis. Evidently the project seems to be moving
ahead city-wide, which is a good thing.
>
> However, one of the new Dexter signs caught my attention while I was driving
east along�W. Grand Blvd. at the John C. Lodge Freeway. It even made me do a
double-take! The sign, located atop the F-way overpass and installed within the
last few days, listed the #16 Dexter and the #20 Grand Belt bus lines as the two
bus�routes that can be boarded at that location. Hmmmm!,�I wonder how long it
will take for a Grand Belt bus to show up if I stand there?�Maybe King (I
mean�Mayor) Bing can work his dictatorial powers and�hook me up with a Grand
Belt bus if I wait there long enough?!
>

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#3019

From: "Neil J. Lehto" <nlehto@...>
Date: Mon Oct 26, 2009 8:55 pm
Subject: RE: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: Online DDOT System Map Now Available On DDOT Website!

nlehto...

Offline

http://www.detroitm i.gov/Portals/ 0/docs/deptoftra nsportation/ pdfs/DDOT_ System_Map_ 2009.pdf

The tax sale option has been available to the City for decades.

It has neglected to do so, leaving tax sales to the county, creating a culture of pay county, ignore city.

The streamlined process probably benefits the better-prepared county government today.

I think most property in the city will end up owned by Wayne County.

NEW ADDRESS

Neil J. Lehto, Esq.

4051 Wakefield Road

Berkley, Michigan 48072

248 545-1753 (office and fax)

810 837-0919 (cellphone)
nlehto@... (e-mail)

From: DSR-2-DOT@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DSR-2-DOT@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of MARTIN EDWARDS CLARK
Sent: Monday, October 26, 2009 3:58 PM
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Thanks Neil,

I appreciate the complexity of the problem, which is in part why no one wants to tackle it.I am not an attorney, so with all of the existing laws, there must be a way to do it...maybe some form of martial law or maybe using the current condemnation laws to condemn and bill for demolition the vacant houses and buildings; something must be done to end this city looking as if we have been bombed out!

P.S. Mr. Craig, the bus stops on Lodge and Grand Blvd should be swapped out next week...the contractor was told, but apparently needed it in writing!

Martin Edwards - Clark

From: Neil J. Lehto <nlehto@...>
To: DSR-2-DOT@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, October 26, 2009 2:58:42 PM
Subject: RE: [Bulk] Re: [DSR-2-DOT] Online DDOT System Map Now Available On DDOT Website!

Doing eminent domain to create a land bank has BIG upfront out-of-pocket costs the city cannot afford to pay for appraisals and would have to square off against the city’s condemnation defense firms, which work on a contingency fee basis. It is easier said than done in a city that let the Mafia stockpile a warehouse with useless machinery it paid millions to condemn – Poletown.

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4051 Wakefield Road

Berkley, Michigan 48072

248 545-1753 (office and fax)

810 837-0919 (cellphone)
nlehto@municable. com (e-mail)

From: DSR-2-DOT@yahoogrou ps.com [mailto:DSR- 2-DOT@yahoogroup s.com] On Behalf Of MARTIN EDWARDS CLARK
Sent: Monday, October 26, 2009 2:28 PM
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Subject: [Bulk] Re: [DSR-2-DOT] Online DDOT System Map Now Available On DDOT Website!

First let me begin with I am not a company man, nor do I think that I know everything (as often I am accused of thinking that I do). Dennis, I am glad that you are o.k., and how that the drivers that Dutch spoke of are o.k. The solutions that are being offered to the citizens of Detroit are being offered by those who manage from an overarching position of how things should be. The City of Detroit needs the best minds to come together and look at other cities who had to shrink their size due to the tax base shrinking and begin to implement those ideas here. I realize that service cuts hurt and as Mr Craig so eloquently said to Kathy, the samurai warriors would be insulted by the comparison! These "brilliant minds" found it easier to cut service rather doing analysis of how to properly change the routes to better service the riding public by achieving optimum route placement and running time. Since the city is no longer occupied by 2.2 million citizens, and since the census of 2000 at least provided us with an idea of the areas of service needed (not to mention some of the studies done by SEMCOG inside of the last five years), true transit planning could be focused on the shifting populations' needs. Not to mention that eminent domain could be used to create a land bank, along with cooperation from organizations like Habitat for Humanity to tear down and fill in affordable housing, shrinking the city's size by helping encouraging citizens to move in closer to the city's core, reducing the costs of its core services - police, fire, water, trash pick-up, public lighting, etc by reducing the city's footprint. But of course, that is a radical idea...just some thoughts.

Lastly, as for DPD versus Wayne County Sheriffs, when the hat changes, so does the priorities; Warren Evans fought for the contract as Sheriff, but now must address the true essence of "protect and serve'...protect and serve the wealthy, not the public at large! Will there be a change? As the saying goes, "It will get worse before it gets better!"

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From: Fleetwood Rock <gstone770@yahoo. com>
To: DSR-2-DOT@yahoogrou ps.com
Sent: Monday, October 26, 2009 7:59:56 AM
Subject: Re: [DSR-2-DOT] Online DDOT System Map Now Available On DDOT Website!

He Maaaaaaaan I said the Same Thang Too You.....So I want My Cookies and Doughnuts also...

My Blackberry Has Plenty Of Juice.......

From: DENNIS GROOMS <dgrooms14@yahoo. com>

Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 04:19:47 -0700 (PDT)

To: <DSR-2-DOT@yahoogrou ps.com>

Subject: Re: [DSR-2-DOT] Online DDOT System Map Now Available On DDOT Website!

THAT'S THE CITY,ALWAY'S GIVING WRONG INFROMATION. ON ANOTHER NOTE.I WANNA APOLOGY TO YOU MR.CRAIG AND THE GROUP FOR BASHING THE SHERIFF WHEN THEY WERE REMOVE BACK IN JUNE.AS YOU KNOW I WAS ALMOST ATTACK BY SOME CODY HIGH SCHOOL KID'S LAST THURSDAY.THE POLICE DID'NT SHOW UP THE FIRST TIME.THEN ABOUT A HOUR AND HALF.A TEO HAD PROBLEM'S WITH THE KID'S.THIS TIME THE POLICE ARRIVED.THESE CODY KID'S HAVE BEEN GIVING THE CHICAGO DAVISON TEO'S THE BLUE'S.SOMETHING MUST BE DONE OR SOMETHING BAD IS GOING TO HAPPEN TO THE TEO'S ON THIS LINE.ALSO I WANNA THANK THE TEO'S WHO CALL ME TO SEE IF I'M WAS OK.ONCE AGAIN MR.CRAIG YOU WERE RIGHT ABOUT DPD.

--- On Sun, 10/25/09, H.B.Craig-II <hbcraig2@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: H.B.Craig-II <hbcraig2@yahoo. com>
Subject: [DSR-2-DOT] Online DDOT System Map Now Available On DDOT Website!
To: "\'DSR-2-DOT@ yahoogroups. com\'" <dsr-2-dot@yahoogrou ps.com>
Date: Sunday, October 25, 2009, 7:52 AM

Over the last few years or so, the discussion has arisen here, and on a few other local discussion boards, regarding the absence of an "on-line" system-wide map on the official DDOT web-site www.RideDetroitTran sit.com. Well, last night I went over to the DDOT site and what do you know! DDOT has now uploaded a PDF version of its January 2009 DDOT System Map to be viewed online.

Unfortunately, someone forgot to tell Mayor Bing and crew that the map was going online since his administration went ahead and eliminated routes #20 and #24, which are still displayed on the map. However, a disclaimer on the site does reads, "...An updated map is currently being developed and should be available by January 2010," which will also include the current routing through the downtown RPTC.

To view this PDF.file (10.8MB) of the DDOT System Map click-on the following link:

#3018

From: MARTIN EDWARDS CLARK <yahtouchus@...>
Date: Mon Oct 26, 2009 7:58 pm
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: Online DDOT System Map Now Available On DDOT Website!

yahtouchus

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http://www.detroitm i.gov/Portals/ 0/docs/deptoftra nsportation/ pdfs/DDOT_ System_Map_ 2009.pdf

Thanks Neil,

P.S. Mr. Craig, the bus stops on Lodge and Grand Blvd should be swapped out next week...the contractor was told, but apparently needed it in writing!

Martin Edwards - Clark

NEW ADDRESS

Neil J. Lehto, Esq.

4051 Wakefield Road

Berkley, Michigan 48072

248 545-1753 (office and fax)

810 837-0919 (cellphone)
nlehto@municable. com (e-mail)

Additional Contact Information:
Walden E-mail: martin.edwards- clark@waldenu. edu
Work E-mail: maredw@detroitmi. gov
Work Phone: (313)833-7713
Cell Phone: (313)748-2052

He Maaaaaaaan I said the Same Thang Too You.....So I want My Cookies and Doughnuts also...

My Blackberry Has Plenty Of Juice.......

From: DENNIS GROOMS <dgrooms14@yahoo. com>

Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 04:19:47 -0700 (PDT)

To: <DSR-2-DOT@yahoogrou ps.com>

Subject: Re: [DSR-2-DOT] Online DDOT System Map Now Available On DDOT Website!

To view this PDF.file (10.8MB) of the DDOT System Map click-on the following link:

#3017

From: "Neil J. Lehto" <nlehto@...>
Date: Mon Oct 26, 2009 6:58 pm
Subject: RE: [Bulk] Re: Online DDOT System Map Now Available On DDOT Website!

nlehto...

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http://www.detroitm i.gov/Portals/ 0/docs/deptoftra nsportation/ pdfs/DDOT_ System_Map_ 2009.pdf

NEW ADDRESS

Neil J. Lehto, Esq.

4051 Wakefield Road

Berkley, Michigan 48072

248 545-1753 (office and fax)

810 837-0919 (cellphone)
nlehto@... (e-mail)

From: DSR-2-DOT@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DSR-2-DOT@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of MARTIN EDWARDS CLARK
Sent: Monday, October 26, 2009 2:28 PM
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Subject: [Bulk] Re: [DSR-2-DOT] Online DDOT System Map Now Available On DDOT Website!

Additional Contact Information:
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Work Phone: (313)833-7713
Cell Phone: (313)748-2052

From: Fleetwood Rock <gstone770@...>
To: DSR-2-DOT@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, October 26, 2009 7:59:56 AM
Subject: Re: [DSR-2-DOT] Online DDOT System Map Now Available On DDOT Website!

He Maaaaaaaan I said the Same Thang Too You.....So I want My Cookies and Doughnuts also...

My Blackberry Has Plenty Of Juice.......

From: DENNIS GROOMS <dgrooms14@yahoo. com>

Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 04:19:47 -0700 (PDT)

To: <DSR-2-DOT@yahoogrou ps.com>

Subject: Re: [DSR-2-DOT] Online DDOT System Map Now Available On DDOT Website!

To view this PDF.file (10.8MB) of the DDOT System Map click-on the following link:

#3016

From: MARTIN EDWARDS CLARK <yahtouchus@...>
Date: Mon Oct 26, 2009 6:28 pm
Subject: Re: Online DDOT System Map Now Available On DDOT Website!

yahtouchus

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Additional Contact Information:
Walden E-mail: martin.edwards-clark@...
Work E-mail: maredw@...
Work Phone: (313)833-7713
Cell Phone: (313)748-2052

He Maaaaaaaan I said the Same Thang Too You.....So I want My Cookies and Doughnuts also...

My Blackberry Has Plenty Of Juice.......

From: DENNIS GROOMS <dgrooms14@yahoo. com>

Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 04:19:47 -0700 (PDT)

To: <DSR-2-DOT@yahoogrou ps.com>

Subject: Re: [DSR-2-DOT] Online DDOT System Map Now Available On DDOT Website!

From: H.B.Craig-II <hbcraig2@yahoo. com>
Subject: [DSR-2-DOT] Online DDOT System Map Now Available On DDOT Website!
To: "\'DSR-2-DOT@ yahoogroups. com\'" <dsr-2-dot@yahoogrou ps.com>
Date: Sunday, October 25, 2009, 7:52 AM

Over the last few years or so, the discussion has arisen here, and on a few other local discussion boards, regarding the absence of an "on-line" system-wide map on the official DDOT web-site www.RideDetroitTran sit.com. Well, last night I went over to the DDOT site and what do you know! DDOT has now uploaded a PDF version of its January 2009 DDOT System Map to be viewed online.

Unfortunately, someone forgot to tell Mayor Bing and crew that the map was going online since his administration went ahead and eliminated routes #20 and #24, which are still displayed on the map. However, a disclaimer on the site does reads, "...An updated map is currently being developed and should be available by January 2010," which will also include the current routing through the downtown RPTC.

To view this PDF.file (10.8MB) of the DDOT System Map click-on the following link:

http://www.detroitm i.gov/Portals/ 0/docs/deptoftra nsportation/ pdfs/DDOT_ System_Map_ 2009.pdf

#3015

From: "H.B.CRAIG,2nd" <hbcraig2@...>
Date: Mon Oct 26, 2009 5:57 pm
Subject: Re: Online DDOT System Map Now Available On DDOT Website!

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Hey D. Grooms, I just heard about your unfortunate experience with those unruly Cody High students this morning while at work. I trust you're doing alright! Yeah, too bad Wayne County isn't still around, I'm sure there would have been a dramatic difference in the response time. Remember it was the DPOA union that went to court to take the transit security unit from the WC sheriff deputies, knowing full well that the DPD couldn't handle the detail. I agree with group member Dutch, who posted a YouTube video link a few messages ago regarding the two assaults on TEOs this past weekend, that something has to be done before it's too late. The current nonexistent DPD setup just ain't working and, God forbid, could possibly result in deadly consequences!!

BTW, no apologies necessary!

--- In DSR-2-DOT@yahoogroups.com, DENNIS GROOMS <dgrooms14@...> wrote:
>
> THAT'S THE CITY,ALWAY'S GIVING WRONG INFROMATION.ON ANOTHER NOTE.I WANNA APOLOGY TO YOU MR.CRAIG AND THE GROUP FOR BASHING THE SHERIFF WHEN THEY WERE REMOVE BACK IN JUNE.AS YOU KNOW I WAS ALMOST ATTACK BY SOME CODY HIGH SCHOOL KID'S LAST THURSDAY.THE POLICE DID'NT SHOW UP THE FIRST TIME.THEN ABOUT A HOUR AND HALF.A TEO HAD PROBLEM'S WITH THE KID'S.THIS TIME THE POLICE ARRIVED.THESE CODY KID'S HAVE BEEN GIVING THE CHICAGO DAVISON TEO'S THE BLUE'S.SOMETHING MUST BE DONE OR SOMETHING BAD IS GOING TO HAPPEN TO THE TEO'S ON THIS LINE.ALSO I WANNA THANK THE TEO'S WHO CALL ME TO SEE IF I'M WAS OK.ONCE AGAIN MR.CRAIG YOU WERE RIGHT ABOUT DPD.
>
> --- On Sun, 10/25/09, H.B.Craig-II hbcraig2@... wrote:
>
>
> From: H.B.Craig-II hbcraig2@...
> Subject: [DSR-2-DOT] Online DDOT System Map Now Available On DDOT Website!
> To: "\'DSR-2-DOT@yahoogroups.com\'" dsr-2-dot@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Sunday, October 25, 2009, 7:52 AM
>
>
> Over the last few years or so, the discussion has arisen here, and on a few other local discussion boards, regarding the absence of an "on-line" system-wide map on the official DDOT web-site www.RideDetroitTran sit.com. Well, last night I went over to the DDOT site and what do you know! DDOT has now uploaded a PDF version of its January 2009 DDOT System Map to be viewed online.
>
> Unfortunately, someone forgot to tell Mayor Bing and crew that the map was going online since his administration went ahead and eliminated routes #20 and #24, which are still displayed on the map. However, a disclaimer on the site does reads, "...An updated map is currently being developed and should be available by January 2010," which will also include the current routing through the downtown RPTC.
>
> To view this PDF.file (10.8MB) of the DDOT System Map click-on the following link:
> http://www.detroitm i.gov/Portals/ 0/docs/deptoftra nsportation/ pdfs/DDOT_ System_Map_ 2009.pdf
>