Hallo

Who can give me some technical information about the CNR 8G . I cannot find it
on internet .
Also looking for a picture about CNR S10 caboose .

regards Jos

Hello Peter,
Thank you so much with the identification of the DF8, i posted the message at 10
46am and you replied at 10 52am! that was some going!
Thank you once again for your help.
Kind Regards,
Brian Hawkins.

Hi Brian - that's a first series DF8 - only seen in the North East, I think
on the Jiamusi - Mudanjiang, Jixi -Mudanjiang Lines, but they may run
further south to Dalian? Not sure on the latter,

Cheers Peter Haworth


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Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 7:45 PM
Subject: [Diesel_in_China] Locomotive identification help required


> Hello Everyone,
> I have added some modern traction images to my website "Steam and the
> Dragon" of diesels around Harbin in October 1999, they maybe viewed in the
> latest additions collection, however, can anyone identify the
> clasification of this loco http://brianhawkins.fotopic.net/p60845096.html
> The main site is available at http://brianhawkins.fotopic.net/
> Kind Regards,
> Brian Hawkins.
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Hello Everyone,
I have added some modern traction images to my website "Steam and the Dragon" of
diesels around Harbin in October 1999, they maybe viewed in the latest additions
collection, however, can anyone identify the clasification of this loco
http://brianhawkins.fotopic.net/p60845096.html
The main site is available at http://brianhawkins.fotopic.net/
Kind Regards,
Brian Hawkins.

Having visited the above line near Chongqing in 1999, I have been trying ever
since to establish its location. The new Quail shows it as being on the east
(Beibei) side of the Jialing River, but a search of Google Earth in that areas
reveals that to be most unpromising territory. Fortunately Jeff Lanham came to
my aid and advised me that it is in fact on the other side of the river at
around 29.760 / 106.522 (decimal coordinates). Trust this may be of help to
others. Not sure why Quail should be so badly off.

My plan was to visit the NanJiang railway (The line between Tulufan/Turpan and Kuerle/Korla), for which I had chosen Baluntai as “base camp”. Things didn't go as planned though... On the train from Jiayuguan to Hejing (Train 1067, passing the Nanjiang line in daylight...) I decided to take some pictures of the cool landscapes, but they had mounted metal bars on the windows to prevent them from being opened for more than about 15 centimeters... I managed to take some pictures though, but soon a policeman appeared, telling me to stop taking pictures at once! He said the whole mountain area is a very important military region, with military forces ready to react swiftly to any attack (!?), and that only after Hejing I could take pictures again... I reluctantly obeyed him and stopped taking picturtes (After all, pictures taken from a moving train are never much more than snapshots...) but dismissed it for myself as being exagurated, and imagined that the guy was simply paranoid...

Arriving in Hejing I searched a bus going to Baluntai, and soon arrived at a place where several minibusses were standing, which would depart when full... Soon we could depart with one of them, but not before the driver and someone who also wanted to get in the bus started a s serious fight just outside the bus... (There was a grim atmosphere around that place...)

We arrived in Baluntai after a hectic ride (Overtaking slow trucks at full speed in curves, etc...), and tried checking into a hotel (On the opposite side of the tank station, a yellow building...), where they charged 120,- RMB for a filthy, smelly and very basic room... (I could only bargain him down to 100,- per night, he refused any offer that was lower...) From my room, I had a nice view on the station though, and the sound of the passing “watermelons” was very impressive, but the the windows were so filthy that I couldn't even see it clearly!

Next day I searched a taxi, but all of them charged crazy prices, like 400 to 500,- RMB for a day, and this for only the lower parts of the line! (Between Baluntai and Shengliqiao!) Non of them wanted to go below 400,-! Eventually only one guy agreed to drive for 300,- RMB, and fortunately he was a good driver with a jeep... The weather was sunny (With amazing dark blue skies and only some little clouds...) but incredibly hot by the way, with one hour in the burning sun enough to cause serious sunburn, even after using factor 15 sunscreem!

Photography was not going so well either by the way, with 90% of the trains going in the downhill direction before noon, when the sun is in the right position for uphill trains (I had found a very nice spot to photograph uphill trains...), resulting in only one relatively OK video recording in almost four (!) hours... Apparently, there had been a sandstorm in Tulufan the night before (Indeed, I noticed very strong winds there the day before, the whole carriage was moving sideways in the wind during the service stop at Yuergou...), causing a lot of trains to be held there untill the storm was over, and these were now all coming over the pass...

Local railway staff was very friendly by the way, which unfortunately cannot be said about the other people in town... Only once in a while a local smiled back, after I had smiled to them and nodded hello, mostly I got a very awkward and somehow negative appearing looks back...

And eventually things got even worse...

On the way back to Baluntai in the early evening, we were stopped by the police at the entrance of town. The officer was friendly, and said hello to me in a friendly way, asking me if I could come and register myself at the police station. Well, OK by me, but I told him that it is the first time that I have to register at the local police station in China, so I asked him why I had to do that... No clear answer came, until we arrived at the police station. There the guys were not so friendly anymore, and seemed straightout rude and angry, mostly to my driver, which I didn't find appropriate! And I also told them so... It turned out that the whole Tianshan area, from Yuergou to Hejing, is closed for foreigners, and even a very sensitive military area! (Apparently, some locals went to the police to complain about a foreigner in town taking pictures, so the police waited for me to come backl!) According to the local police, it is even one of the most sensitive areas in China! After some time, I had to give my memory cards to them, on which they deleted all pictures with bridges in it (Even a picture of a stupid hanging wooden pedestrian bridge in a very bad shape!) (How strategically important...), and so on...

After some talking, I made it very clear to them that I understand that they have to do their job, but I said that I refuse to leave the police station before they can tell me how I can find out weather an area is closed or open for foreigners! They said it was common sense, but of course I didn't buy that! Also I told them that you can access high resolution pîctures of the whole area on Google Earth, and then their ridiculous answer was “Google is Google”, we have no business with them... They said I can find a list of closed zones on the internet... But even here, they didn't want to give me any details! Eventually, I took a paper out of my bag, and wrote “http://” on it, requiring them to fill in the exact location of that list! First they refused to do so, but then I sat down and crossed my arms, signing them to fill in the URL, or I would stay in the office! I told them that because of my job for the railways I am used to striclty following the rules, and that I want to do the same in China, but in order to be able to do that I must first be able to know what the rules are of course. Furthermore, it was my seventh time in China of course, and this was the first time something like this happened to me! After some discussion among the officers, one of them (The friendly one...) finally took the paper and completed the URL! I was very dissapointed though to see that he just filled it www.baidu.cn... After my reaction, he grinned nervously to me... Then I gave up... (I don't think such a list exist on the net...)

It seemed they understood my situation, because suddenly one of the “rude guys” smiled and said that he was being fair to me, because he should normally go much further with the whole thing, and he also said that if I wanted to visit the area again, I should go to the police in Kuerle and ask for a permit to visit this area... Apparently, this seems to be the key to visit the line officially, even though I have no idea whether they would approve such an application...

So beware if any of you intend to visit the NanJiang line in the future!

I am now on the way to the Jitong line in Inner Mongolia by the way, for some similar diesel action... The NanJiang line offers more spectacular action (Up to four diesels working one train, a lot of classic green DF4B's, and much higher mountains...), but eventually I think I prefer the Jitong line. Taking into consideration that the NanJiang line is far more difficult to reach for photography and the general bad atmosphere around the line (I already felt as if I was doing something illegal before I got to know that this was really the case!), I prefer the now very nice atmosphere around the Jitong line. The irritating sellers and photo maffia are all gone now, and most people there look genuinly happy to see a foreigner again! Furthermore I find the landscape around the Jitiong Line in (late) summer much more appealing and colorful, even though the snow capped mountains around Dewentuogai are a fantastic sight too... And personally I'm a big fan of DF8B's (The thundering sound of those noisy beasts is amazing, and the dark blue engines with the round roof design are in my opinion rather photogenic too...), and seeing and hearing two of them slowly dragging an enormous 5000 ton coal train towards Shangdian is simpy breathtaking, and this kind of action is only offered on the Jitong Line... On the Nanjiang line, trains are shorter, and seem to be running much faster in comparison...

The Nanjiang line is a great line though, and something I liked very much was the continuous action on this line! Regardless my bad luck before noon (With almost all the trains running downhill...), the waiting time was almost never more than 15 minutes! That's unbelievable!

Best regards,

Joeri Vanvaerenbergh

Hello everyone,
I have uploaded images to my website of a visit to Baotou Xi Locomotive Depot in
November 2001.
Although the visit was primarily to photograph the large dump of JS 2-8-2 steam
lococomotives, there was a good deal of modern traction on view, the latest
images maybe viewed in the "New Additions" collection at
http://brianhawkins.fotopic.net/c1662789.html
Regards,
Brian Hawkins.

Hello Everyone,

2009/5/the 8th, the electric power railroad of the baotou-huinong start, May 26
days datong-baotou electric power railroad start. The Electric Locomotives of
the many SS4 of the Xi import of the Baotou of the depot of of the The
locomotive.

The parts of diesel Locomotives transfer the nanning railroad of the guangzhou
and an administration.

The images maybe viewed at http://gaolaijunsphotos.fotopic.net/p57999960.html

Kind Regards

gaolaijun

Hello everyone

My new collection of China's new type of Diesel Locomotives HXN5, this Diesel
Locomotives have been in April, the Railway Authority haerbin equipment.
Site photos
http://gaolaijunsphotos.fotopic.net/c1661861.html

Thanks

gaolaijun

Hello Everyone,
I have added a few modern images to my website "Steam and the Dragon", these
show the 8K class electric locomotives on the Datong-Beijing main line at
Xuanhua and industrial electric locomotives of the class EL2 at Benxi
steelworks.
The images maybe viewed at http://brianhawkins.fotopic.net/c1662789.html
Kind Regards,
Brian Hawkins.

Dear Florian,

the DF4 4002 was carrying a dark blue livery, which seemed similar to that of
the early square shaped DF4C.

Best regards,

Peter







--- In Diesel_in_China@yahoogroups.com, "Florian Menius" <Florian.Menius@...>
wrote:
>
> Dear Peter,
>
> in fact, both DF4C 4001&4002 have got the "round" 4B shape. These two engines
were built as early as in 1985 whereas the "square shaped" 4Cs (4003...) did not
appear before 1988/89. At some time, 4C 4001 had a blue livery, 4002 maybe too.
I wonder which colour 4002 has now? Was it in standard green?
>
> Best greetings,
> Florian
>

Dear Peter,

in fact, both DF4C 4001&4002 have got the "round" 4B shape. These two engines
were built as early as in 1985 whereas the "square shaped" 4Cs (4003...) did not
appear before 1988/89. At some time, 4C 4001 had a blue livery, 4002 maybe too.
I wonder which colour 4002 has now? Was it in standard green?

Best greetings,
Florian

Recently I spotted DF4 4002 on a freight on the Fuxin-Shenyang mailnline.
The loco is painted in dark blue, like the early DF4Cs, but uses an ordinary
DF4B hood. I mistook it for a DF4B first as from a distance the dark blue
resembles their usual dark green livery. I assume that it is DF4C prototype
version. It is marked (as usual) only as DF4.

Other trains seen on this line were green DF4B on freights, orange DF4B on slow
pax and red/cream DF4D ond fast pax.
Peter

Hello Everyone,
I have updated my fotopic website "Steam and the Dragon" with some
modern traction images from my first visit to China in January 1994.
These show some DFH3 and DF4 locomotives at Zoujia on the line from
Changchun to Jilin.
They maybe viewed at http://brianhawkins.fotopic.net/c1576573.html

The main website maybe viewed at http://brianhawkins.fotopic.net

Kind Regards,
Brian Hawkins.

Hallo all

Who can help me . I am looking for more photo's and drawings of the
type 2(?) and 31 . I need them for building models in 1:87 . The book
over chinees couches from China Rail Publishing House give no info or
enough info about it .

Also looking for info over the Talgowagons that must been there , on
China rail . It is also in the book . On Google I cant find anything
about it on chinees tracks .

regards Jos

Ziyang 1997. I have it down as a Fuyang loco in early 2005.

--- In Diesel_in_China@yahoogroups.com, nick paton <saselhh6@...> wrote:
>
>
>  
> Good Afternoon,
>  
> I am looking for any information on this locomotive build
date,allocation history,photographs
> etc.   
> Any help would be greatly appreciated also any contact e mail address
for China Rail
> would be helpful.
>  
> Best regards Nick Paton
>  
> Hamburg 
>

Today I spotted HXD30198 and SS9-0001 both on passengers entering
Shanghai Nan Zhan.
HXD3 is usually a heavy freight electric, quite surprising to see them
on passengers. Whether this is a regular working I wonder?
These locos were originally called SSJ3 (only the prototype model
SSJ3-0001), then DJ3 but eventually HXD3.
Other locos seen were DF4D 0224, 0360, 0554, DF11 0248, 0435, SS8 0047
and two CRH1-Units.
Peter

The report from my latest trip to China is now available at ...

http://www.railography.co.uk/reports/2008/20081115-cn.htm

We managed to get to Huanan during its brief period of operation in
mid-November and then moved on to Jixi when the narrow gauge trains
stopped running. This is mainly a steam report but there are also some
observations of the modern scene as well.

All the best,

Duncan

Thanks for sharing Duncan.

Re the 37E electrics at Fushun, both Clark and Rakov refer to these
as 21E. Pritchard uses 37E. Presumably 37E is from the actual
worksplate? Anyone have an image?

Rgds
Robin

--- In Diesel_in_China@yahoogroups.com, railographer <gen1@...> wrote:
>
> The report from my latest trip to China is now available on the
> Railography website
>
> http://www.railography.co.uk/reports/2008/20081005-cn.htm
>
> The main objective was to photograph diesels on scenic lines but
> several unusual classes were targeted and there are several
mentions
> for steam locos and industrial electrics. The report covers the
> Tonghua area, Fushun, Bei'an, Mudanjiang and the Beijing-Longhua
line.
>
> All the best,
>
> Duncan
>

The report from my latest trip to China is now available on the
Railography website

http://www.railography.co.uk/reports/2008/20081005-cn.htm

The main objective was to photograph diesels on scenic lines but
several unusual classes were targeted and there are several mentions
for steam locos and industrial electrics. The report covers the
Tonghua area, Fushun, Bei'an, Mudanjiang and the Beijing-Longhua line.

All the best,

Duncan

Do we know what ZJ stands for in power unit type identifications?

Having a chat with someone who believes the 280ZJ is a Dalian product
but I was once told by an engineer in Qishuyan this larger capacity
power unit was the idea of the director(s) of that works in a move away
from the production of the Dalian design 240ZJ. Anyone know for sure?

A few people wondered if the reason for Qishuyan to go to 280mm bore
cylinders was influenced by the ND2s and ND5s in China at the time and
did these designs influence any other aspects of the 280ZJ design.

Cheers

Mark

CCTV are currently showing a series of 30 minute English language
programmes on the Chinese Eastern Railway. There's a lot of political
and social history as well as archive and current footage of railways
in the North-East. Videos of the programmes aired so far are available
here....

http://www.cctv.com/program/e_documentary/01/02/index.shtml

Duncan

Finally got around to putting some traction photos online. Here's a
link for the Chinese locos set. Early days yet but I hope to continue
putting up more soon.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/30865802@N02/sets/72157607908991841/detail/


Cheers

Orpington