I recall awhile ago that someone suggested asking for half payment
upfront for long jobs. Anyone have a definition of 'long' they use for
this purpose? Nancy
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Hi everybody--

Just a reminder to members to send in your ballots to Katherine Clymer, if
you have not already done so. The deadline is May 15.

Therese Shere

Hi, everyone--

Here's an announcement for the Southern California chapter's next
meeting--same day as ours, June 3--for those who might be interested.

Therese Shere

ASI-SoCal presents:

Putting Your Collection Online
Saturday, June 3, 2000
10:00 a.m. to 12:00 noon
UCLA's Young Research Library,  2nd floor, Room YRL 23167,
  the West Electronic Classroom.

  Join us on Saturday, June 3, 2000, for a presentation
  by Charlotte Brown, Asst. Head/University Archivist
  of the Department of Special Collections at UCLA's
  Charles E. Young Research Library.  They are
undertaking a massive effort to put the majority of
  UCLA's archival collection online.  Ms. Brown will
  describe for us the indexing/cataloging methodologies
  they have developed for this process.  She reports
  that she is "delighted to have the chance to talk
  about the project to people who will really understand."

To register, e-mail the Registration Form that follows to
the address below by May 30.

  Sorry, but no registrations can be accepted after May 30th,
  nor can you register at the door.  This is so that a facility
of sufficient size can be reserved and set up in advance.

Your only expenses for the day will be for parking, $5.00
per car,and your lunch.  We'll be eating "dutch" at the
food court in the North Campus Student Center,
near the meeting room.

You can take a look at the following website for maps of the
  UCLA campus:

  http://www.ucla.edu/map/

  Once you get to the first map, click on section "C", for the North
  Campus. In the enlarged view of section "C", find Building #5,
  which is the Young Research Library, and building #7 is the
  North Campus Student Center, where the food court nearest
  to our meeting site is to be found.

Parking structures #3 and #5 are the best places to park;
on the map you will find them at positions 1:00 and 9:00
from the Young Research Library.

  Our plan is as follows:

First, drive to West L.A. to the UCLA campus.
Take the #405 freeway to the Sunset Blvd. exit, and go east.
Turn right,or south, on Hilgard Ave.

  Second, drive south along Hilgard to the second campus
entrance at Wyton Drive, and turn right, then proceed
to the parking kiosk immediately in front of you. Purchase
a parking sticker for $5 per car, and tell the attendant
you are there for the ASI meeting. Obtain a campus map
from the attendant, and ask how to get to parking
structures #3 or #5.

Third, walk to the Young Research Library and go up to the
second floor, to Room YRL 23167, the West Electronic
Classroom, planning to arrive by 10:00 a.m. Look for
signs pointing the way when you enter the library.

Fifth, enjoy a fascinating discussion of a major online site
creation project. Sign up soon; the registration limit is 30,
owing to the size of the lecture room.

After the meeting and lunch, your parking fee entitles you
to spend the rest of the day on the UCLA campus, and
you can move your car to other campus parking structures,
if you wish.

Very near the meeting site you will find the outdoor
Murphy Sculpture Garden, the fascinating Fowler
Museum of Cultural History (building #20 on the North
Campus Map), and at the SE corner of the campus is the
Mathias Botanical Garden. Just south of the UCLA
campus is Westwood Village, with shopping, cinemas,
restaurants, and the Geffen Playhouse, as well as the
Armand Hammer Museum of Art. Just north of Sunset Blvd.
off the #405 is the Getty Museum, (310) 440-7300, open
until 6:00 p.m.on Saturday.

*****************************************************************************

ASI-SOCAL Luncheon Meeting at UCLA
June 3, 2000

  Please register ___ (number of persons) for the ASI-SoCal
luncheon meeting at the Young Research Library, UCLA campus.

Deadline is May 30; limited to 30 registrants.

  Name___________________________________

Address___________________________________

              ___________________________________

  Phone___________________________________

  E-Mail Address___________________________

E-mail this form to:

Debbie Lindblom
Dalindex@...
2031-11 S. Mountain Ave.
Ontario, CA  9176

Greetings--

I'm considering joining one or two book industry organizations, partly as a
way of learning more about the book business and book production, and partly
(of course) as a networking opportunity. I'm curious whether anyone on the
list belongs to them. If you belong to Bookbuilders West, Bay Area Editors'
Forum, or the Women's National Book Association, would you share your
thoughts about the organization and its programs?

TIA,
Therese Shere

Greetings,

Add the Bay Area Independent Publishers Association to my previous
list--anybody belong? Will you share your thoughts about them and their
programs?

Thanks,
Therese Shere

Therese--

About the book publishing associations.  I joined Women's National Book
Association a couple of years ago.  I enjoy the programs and have met
some really interesting people, but I have yet to get any work from any
of the members.

So, if you're doing it as a means of marketing, I would say it's not the
group I'd pick for that purpose, partly because it's members have more
bookseller's background than book preparation.  There are some
publishers, but also writers and book agents and some wannabe writers.
It's a fun mix of people, mostly women and I like it enough to renew in
spite of the fact that I haven't gotten any work as a result of being a
member.

Joan Dickey

Dear Golden Gate Chapter members,

At the midwinter conference when I was vice-president (1993?), we had a panel
of related publishing organizations in the Bay Area.  Each of the
organizations you mention was represented.  I realize that these
organizations may have changed somewhat since then, but here are a few
thoughts on them.

Bookbuilders West is composed largely of people involved in the production of
books.  Many book packagers and book production editors are now not in-house,
and they do the actual hiring of indexers.  They are the type of people who
belong to Bookbuilders, and so it may be a very good place for networking and
meeting contacts that could actually lead to more work.  They did have a jobs
hot-line at one point, although I don't know if it was for freelance work.

Bay Area Editors Forum consists of all types of editors.  Carolyn McGovern
and I gave a presentation to them a couple of years ago about indexing--many
of them weren't really all that sure what indexing consisted of.  I don't
think that editors are usually the ones who hire indexers, but this is
definitely a very nice bunch of folks who also work in publishing.  There are
a few indexers who belong to the group (Aubrey McClellan being one).

Another organization you might want to consider is STC (Society for Technical
Communication).  They have several chapters in the Bay Area, and they are
extremely active.

Jean Mann

Therese wrote:

>I'm considering joining one or two book industry organizations...

I have belonged to Bay Area Editors' Forum for several years. I rarely get
to their meetings, which appear to have very good programs that are of
interest primarily to editors. I was listed for a while in their directory
and am now listed on their website--www.editorsforum.org. I have gotten
three jobs through these listings (for two different clients) and am in
discussions about a possible job for a third client. I've never gotten that
kind of action from being listed every year in the Indexer Locator. I would
suppose that actually going to meetings might produce even more job leads,
especially because a significant number of the members seem to be freelance
project editors. The annual dues are only  $40, certainly a bargain if you
make any contacts at all. The group meets approximately once a month and
their current favorite meeting place is the Borders in downtown S.F.

Julie Shawvan

Hi all,

Like Julie, I've also belonged to the Bay Area Editors' Forum (BAEF) for
several years.  I do both editing and indexing.  In fact, when I first
started out freelancing, the majority of my work was editing.  This year is
the first year that my indexing is surpassing my editing, which is great
because I've discovered that I prefer indexing.  It's nice to have a little
variety though.

I'm listed on the BAEF Web site with a link to my own Web site.  I've
received about six calls as a result.  Three of the calls resulted in
indexing jobs, and one in an editing job.  So, I'd say it was definitely
worthwhile to join.

I have yet to go to a meeting because I don't like to drive that far at night
(I'm in San Jose), but they do sound interesting and I'll probably go one of
these days.  I'm sure it would be a great place for networking.  They also
send out mail messages about jobs (freelance and permanent).  These jobs are
mainly for editors, but where there are editors, there is often a need for
indexers--so it can be a good way to get contact information.

Karin

This is a reminder to join us on June 3rd from 11 am to about 2 pm for an
informal get-together as we discuss highlights from the national
conference, install our new Vice President, and enjoy discussion and
networking with colleagues. Don't forget to bring a bag lunch and, if you
wish, something to share.

The charge to attend is $8 for ASI members and members of affiliated
indexing societies, $10 for nonmembers. You may pay at the meeting, but
we'd appreciate it if you could pay in advance so we have an idea of how
many plan to attend.

Please mail your check to:
Naomi Linzer, Treasurer, ASI-GG
P.O. Box 1341
Redway, CA  95560-1341

This meeting will be held in San Rafael at the Unitarian Church (same
location as the January meeting).

Directions:

FROM THE SOUTH: Go North on 101 into Marin County. Two exits after
the
Central San Rafael exit, get off the freeway at the Manuel Freitas
Parkway exit. From the exit, turn right and then a quick left onto
the
frontage road and proceed to traffic light (Professional Center
Parkway), then turn right. Go up the hill to Channing Way and turn
right. At the end of the street, turn into the church parking lot.

FROM THE NORTH: Go south on 101into Marin County. Take the Manuel
Freitas Parkway/Terra Linda exit and turn left off the exit, (east,
over the freeway). Turn left on the frontage road and proceed to
traffic light (Professional Center Parkway), then turn right. Go up
the hill to Channing Way and turn right. At the end of the street,
turn into the church parking lot.

FROM THE EAST BAY: Take the San Rafael/Richmond Bridge into San
Rafael
and follow signs for 101 North. Two exits after the Central San
Rafael
exit, get off the freeway at the Manuel Freitas Parkway exit. From
THE
exit, turn right and then a quick left onto the frontage road and
proceed to traffic light (Professional Center Parkway), then turn
right. Go up the hill to Channing Way and turn right. At the end of
the street, turn into the church parking lot.

Ellen Davenport
edaven@...

phone:  (707) 829-1519
fax:  (707) 823-5630

Ellen,

It looks like indexing is not the path I will be following, at least not at
this time as a profession. I enjoyed meeting you and the other women from
this area who are in the Golden Gate Chapter.

How do I unsubscribe from GGASI?

I hope you are happily settled into your new home.

Peace,
Judy

You may go to your paye called My Groups on egroups.com and unsubscribe.
--
Naomi Linzer, MA
Treasurer
ASi-Golden Gate Chapter
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P.O. Box 1341
459 Redway Drive
Redway, CA  95560-1341
jnlinzer@...
voice: 707/923-4361
fax: 360/838-5620
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Hi Ellen -

Unfortunately cannot be at June 3 get together as I'll be at a family
reunion up in Washington.  Great to see you in Albuquerque.  Let me know
what's going on on, & if there are any other small projects I can help out
with.

Best,

Katherine

-----Original Message-----
From: Ellen Davenport <edaven@...>
To: GGASI@egroups.com <GGASI@egroups.com>
Date: Saturday, May 20, 2000 4:05 PM
Subject: [GGASI] June 3 meeting--reminder


>This is a reminder to join us on June 3rd from 11 am to about 2 pm for an
>informal get-together as we discuss highlights from the national
>conference, install our new Vice President, and enjoy discussion and
>networking with colleagues. Don't forget to bring a bag lunch and, if you
>wish, something to share.
>
>The charge to attend is $8 for ASI members and members of affiliated
>indexing societies, $10 for nonmembers. You may pay at the meeting, but
>we'd appreciate it if you could pay in advance so we have an idea of how
>many plan to attend.
>
>Please mail your check to:
>Naomi Linzer, Treasurer, ASI-GG
>P.O. Box 1341
>Redway, CA  95560-1341
>
>This meeting will be held in San Rafael at the Unitarian Church (same
>location as the January meeting).
>
>Directions:
>
>FROM THE SOUTH: Go North on 101 into Marin County. Two exits after
>the
>Central San Rafael exit, get off the freeway at the Manuel Freitas
>Parkway exit. From the exit, turn right and then a quick left onto
>the
>frontage road and proceed to traffic light (Professional Center
>Parkway), then turn right. Go up the hill to Channing Way and turn
>right. At the end of the street, turn into the church parking lot.
>
>FROM THE NORTH: Go south on 101into Marin County. Take the Manuel
>Freitas Parkway/Terra Linda exit and turn left off the exit, (east,
>over the freeway). Turn left on the frontage road and proceed to
>traffic light (Professional Center Parkway), then turn right. Go up
>the hill to Channing Way and turn right. At the end of the street,
>turn into the church parking lot.
>
>FROM THE EAST BAY: Take the San Rafael/Richmond Bridge into San
>Rafael
>and follow signs for 101 North. Two exits after the Central San
>Rafael
>exit, get off the freeway at the Manuel Freitas Parkway exit. From
>THE
>exit, turn right and then a quick left onto the frontage road and
>proceed to traffic light (Professional Center Parkway), then turn
>right. Go up the hill to Channing Way and turn right. At the end of
>the street, turn into the church parking lot.
>
>Ellen Davenport
>edaven@...
>
>phone:  (707) 829-1519
>fax:  (707) 823-5630
>
>
>
>
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At 03:50 PM 05/21/2000 -0700, you wrote:
>Hi Ellen -
>
>Unfortunately cannot be at June 3 get together as I'll be at a family
>reunion up in Washington.  Great to see you in Albuquerque.  Let me know
>what's going on on, & if there are any other small projects I can help out
>with.


Hi, Katherine--

It was good to get a chance to talk to you in Albuquerque--sorry you're
going to miss the June meeting.

I was going to ask you if you'd be willing to write a short article on your
impressions of the conference?  I always appreciate your perspective.  I'f
you'll do it, the deadline is about June 10.

Thanks, and hope to see you soon.

Ellen
Ellen Davenport
edaven@...

phone:  (707) 829-1519
fax:  (707) 823-5630

At 09:30 AM 05/21/2000 -0700, you wrote:
>Ellen,
>
>It looks like indexing is not the path I will be following, at least not at
>this time as a profession. I enjoyed meeting you and the other women from
>this area who are in the Golden Gate Chapter.
>
>How do I unsubscribe from GGASI?
>
>I hope you are happily settled into your new home.
>
>Peace,
>Judy
>
Hi, Judy:

I just "unsubscribed" you (none of the things you did worked).

Sorry I won't be seeing you at meetings.  Good luck!

Ellen
Ellen Davenport
edaven@...

phone:  (707) 829-1519
fax:  (707) 823-5630

Hello all--

It's Monday morning, and I've already screwed up--I just replied to two
emails that were replies to my reminder posting to the list.  My reply went
to the list rather than to the individuals.

Katherine and Judy, you can read my replies to your emails on ggasi :)

Happy Monday to you all.

Ellen
Ellen Davenport
edaven@...

phone:  (707) 829-1519
fax:  (707) 823-5630

Thanks to all of you who contributed your thoughts on these groups. It sounds
as though a couple of them are well worth joining.

Therese (Shere)

Greetings--

I have received official chapter election results from Teller Katherine
Clymer. Nancy Humphreys has been elected Vice President/President-elect of
the Golden Gate Chapter of ASI. We'll be installing her in her new post at
our June 3 meeting. Please join us!

Therese Shere

Greetings--

Here's a job announcement I was asked to post. Please respond directly to
Kanisa if you are interested.

--Therese Shere

<

I don't see the announcement?

Let's try that again...thanks, Naomi, for pointing out that the text of the
announcement didn't make it into the email. Very strange, because I cut and
pasted it in, and it does show in my copy of the message I sent. Anyway, here
it is.

--Therese Shere

Hi!

I am the on-site recruiter at Kanisa.  Kanisa is an e-Service technology
leader, headquartered in Cupertino, CA, privately held and venture
capital-backed.  Kanisa's breakthrough application, Kanisa ESP, transforms
e-Service by providing customers with a highly personalized and interactive
Self-Service experience.  This increases customer satisfaction, and lowers
support center costs, building a loyal customer base for clients and helping
clients win on the web.

I have a number of openings for Knowledge Engineers.  Here is a description
and requirements for the position of Knowledge Engineer:

Title:          Knowledge Engineer
Location:   Cupertino, CA
Requisition:    20-527

Responsibilities:
* Responsible for the ongoing analysis, design, development and maintenance
of knowledge base information.
* Facilitating knowledge transfer from clients.
* Exploring technologies that complement the abilities of humans to add
value to information.
* Analyze and apply categorization rules and/or taxonomy design as it
relates to technical content resources on the Internet.


Qualifications:
* Advanced degree in library and information science or human computer
interaction.
* Solid grasp of Knowledge Engineering principals.
* Experience designing and developing information systems.
* Demonstrated success in understanding and applying content management
techniques to create a categorization system for web content.
* Knowledge of HTML and XML and file management.
* BS in Information Management/Human Factors or related.

Resumes can be sent to: patti.tobenkin@...

Thanks!
Patti


*************
Patti Tobenkin
Sr. Technical Recruiter
Kanisa
Direct: (408) 863-5848
Cell: (408) 307-7186
visit our website: http://www.kanisa.com

I am always very suspicious of any job listing that asks for a BS in
library/information science. I just assume that they want to pay squat
because only the MLS is a professional degree in that field. Nancy

On Sat, 27 May 2000 12:27:21 EDT tshere7566@... writes:
> Let's try that again...thanks, Naomi, for pointing out that the text
> of the
> announcement didn't make it into the email. Very strange, because I
> cut and
> pasted it in, and it does show in my copy of the message I sent.
> Anyway, here
> it is.
>
> --Therese Shere
>
>
>
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In a message dated 06/02/2000 9:41:33 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
nancyuno@... writes:

<< I am always very suspicious of any job listing that asks for a BS in
  library/information science. I just assume that they want to pay squat
  because only the MLS is a professional degree in that field. >>

Good point, Nancy. I didn't catch that.

Therese Shere

Hi,

The Golden Gate chapter would like to put on a workshop about voice
activation software and indexing. Does anyone on the West Coast, in
the Bay Area use BioVoice compatable with Mac's and Cindex for
indexing?

Is anyone using DNS and indexing software for indexing on the West
Coast, in the Bay Area? (Will someone please post this question on
the DNS egroups list?).

PLEASE CONTACT ME DIRECTLY. Thank you.

Naomi Linzer, Treasurer
ASI-GG Chapter
--
*******************
J. Naomi Linzer.
POB 1341
459 Redway Drive
Redway, CA  95560
(707) 923-4361
jnlinzer@...
*  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *

Naomi, I think the product is called ViaVoice. Nancy

On Mon, 5 Jun 2000 10:15:15 -0700 "J. Naomi Linzer" <jnlinzer@...>
writes:
> Hi,
>
> The Golden Gate chapter would like to put on a workshop about voice
> activation software and indexing. Does anyone on the West Coast, in
> the Bay Area use BioVoice compatable with Mac's and Cindex for
> indexing?
>
> Is anyone using DNS and indexing software for indexing on the West
> Coast, in the Bay Area? (Will someone please post this question on
> the DNS egroups list?).
>
> PLEASE CONTACT ME DIRECTLY. Thank you.
>
> Naomi Linzer, Treasurer
> ASI-GG Chapter
> --
> *******************
> J. Naomi Linzer.
> POB 1341
> 459 Redway Drive
> Redway, CA  95560
> (707) 923-4361
> jnlinzer@...
> *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *
>
>
>
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>Naomi, I think the product is called ViaVoice. Nancy

Thanks for the correction!
--
*******************
J. Naomi Linzer.
POB 1341
459 Redway Drive
Redway, CA  95560
(707) 923-4361
jnlinzer@...
*  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *

Hello all:

In the upcoming issue of Entry Points, I was hoping to include a few
reports from Golden Gate chapter members on the Albuquerque
conference.  Quite a few of us were there and, if you were like me,
learned many things worth writing home about.

Please take a few minutes to write a short article about a workshop
you attended, something you learned, an extra-conference outing you
took part in...anything that would give those that stayed home a
flavor of the events in Albuquerque.

The deadline for articles for the August newsletter is August 10.
You
can send them to me at edaven@....

I hope to hear from you soon.


Ellen Davenport
Newsletter Editor

Hi Ellen-

Unfortunately, I'll have to turn down this request - just not able to add
anything to my sched  at this point.  My partner was just diagnosed with
lung cancer, so that is taking up most of my time and energy at the moment.
I feel confident that the outcome of all this will be positive, but for now,
I just can't add another item to my agenda.

Take care - and hope to see you all in the Fall.

best,

katherine
-----Original Message-----
From: Ellen Davenport <edaven@...>
To: GGASI@egroups.com <GGASI@egroups.com>
Date: Wednesday, August 02, 2000 10:35 AM
Subject: [GGASI] Articles for Entry Points


>Hello all:
>
>In the upcoming issue of Entry Points, I was hoping to include a few
>reports from Golden Gate chapter members on the Albuquerque
>conference.  Quite a few of us were there and, if you were like me,
>learned many things worth writing home about.
>
>Please take a few minutes to write a short article about a workshop
>you attended, something you learned, an extra-conference outing you
>took part in...anything that would give those that stayed home a
>flavor of the events in Albuquerque.
>
>The deadline for articles for the August newsletter is August 10.
>You
>can send them to me at edaven@....
>
>I hope to hear from you soon.
>
>
>Ellen Davenport
>Newsletter Editor
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>