Congratulations Ellen for getting this going!

*****************************************************************************J.
J. Naomi Linzer
Indexing Services
POB 1341
Redway, CA  95560
(707) 923-4361
jnlinzer@...
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http://www.asindexing.org   <-- American Society of Indexers website.

Well, if you get this, it works.  I found the registration process easy, but
floundered a bit when it came to actually posting to the list.  I finally
found the address buried in the FAQ.  At least, if you all get this I did.

I finally finished the index I have been working on since February and sent
it off early this morning.  I'm rather dreading the authors' reaction to it,
because they seemed to think that a good index included every single one of
their immortal thoughts.  But the editor is tired enough of their changing
their thoughts that I don't think she'll let them make too many changes.
She's sending me another index next week, a nice short work with a
well-behaved author, I hope.

Janet

Yes, Janet, it works!

You must be thrilled to see the end of a project that long. Congratulations...

Therese

Hooray for your completed index. And good luck on the next "easy" one.

Best,

*****************************************************************************J.
J. Naomi Linzer
Indexing Services
POB 1341
Redway, CA  95560
(707) 923-4361
jnlinzer@...
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http://www.asindexing.org   <-- American Society of Indexers website.

Hello, all!  ooooh, a SF Bay area indexing list!!  I've been lurking in the ASI,
CINDEX and index students lists. Last summer I started looking into indexing and
tried to get to a GGASI summer meeting in the North Bay.  Didn't make it but did
get receive the newsletter regularly!  Er, the last one I got mentioned folks
who get the chapters mailings but don't join the chapter...MEA CULPA!  Now that
I'm finally (happily) buzzing along in the USDA indexing course, I agree I need
to give back to the community that encouraged me on this path.

Would love to join the chapter.  Of course I've lost the chapter address, etc. 
Anyone?

I'd love to come to meetings/pot lucks, etc.  I rely on mass trans., though. 
Anyone interested in carpools or commandeering a van let me know!

Anyone local also taking indexing courses feel free to drop me a line either on
this group or directly to me.  Looking for local study buddies.

Glad to see this group is on one-list.  Hope there'll be lots and lots of
activity here!  ciao for now -
Lee

>  I'd love to come to meetings/pot lucks, etc.  I rely on mass trans.,
though.
>  Anyone interested in carpools or commandeering a van let me know!

And we'd love to have you.  I live in Concord also, so connections shouldn't
be difficult.

I use Cindex, being a transplant from the Midwest, professionally speaking,
but I like Macrex users.

Janet Russell

For Lee, who asked how to join ASI--

The easiest way is via the ASI website. Go to www.asindexing.org/membappl.htm
There's a form you can print out and send in, and full information about dues
and membership categories.

I'll be posting an official welcome-to-the-list message soon, by the way--but
I'd like to wait until we have more people subscribed.  In the meantime,
those of you who have signed on, feel free to use this forum as you see fit!

Therese Shere
GGASI President

Hello all--

For those of you interested in "high-tech" indexing, this is a good
opportunity to attend one of Seth Maislin's workshops. Full information
follows.

--Therese Shere

Hello, all--

For those of you interested in learning more about "high-tech" indexing, this
August 7 meeting of ASI's Southern CA chapter is a good opportunity to take
Seth Maislin's workshop not too far from home. Full information follows,
including a registration form. If you're interested, please contact the
Southern CA chapter directly.

Therese Shere

  The American Society of Indexers Southern California Chapter
  invites you to...

  "INDEXING ELECTRONIC MEDIA"

  by Seth Maislin

  August 7, 1999
  11:00 AM to 4:00 PM
  Long Beach State University Library
  Faculty Development Center, 5th Floor
  (See http://www.csulb.edu/Images/campus-map.gif)

  Seth Maislin is sole proprietor of Focus Information Services and senior

  indexer at O'Reilly & Associates. He provides consulting and teaching
  services in indexing and online information architecture to public and
  private audiences, presents workshops and demonstrations regularly at
  conferences, and indexes books and web documents. He has contributed to
  the newsletters of the Society for Technical Communication (STC), the
  American Society of Indexers (ASI), and the Freelance Editorial
  Association. Seth is an elected director of ASI and chairs its Online
  Strategies Committee. He is webmaster for STC's Indexing SIG and on the
  Boston STC Council. His largest project to date includes indexing all
  online content for America Online.

  The fundamental differences between indexing and online information
  design are...
  Well, there aren't any! Not if you're willing to break a few rules.
  Every hyper-text document is an index, an ordered set of paths to more
information.
  In this presentation, you'll bend your indexing practices to accommodate the
  wholly different medium of the web. We'll meet the challenges of indexing
  without book pages for an unknown audience and reevaluate the value of
  alphabetizing, page ranges, and cross references. With real-life web sites
as examples, we'll sketch an intranet structure and stumble through the
single-sourcing
  myth in an effort to find guidelines that work. Let's reintroduce ourselves
to
  indexing theory in the framework of the World Wide Web.


  The price of this event is $40 for ASI members ($45 for nonmembers).
  Lunch will be included.

  Please send the reservation form below to Joy Thomas at 2169 Tulane
  Ave., Long Beach, CA 90815-2949


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  REGISTRATION FORM FOR  "INDEXING ELECTRONIC MEDIA"
  AUGUST 7,  1999
  11:00 TO 4:00
  LONG BEACH STATE UNIVERSITY LIBRARY

  Name___________________________________________

  Mailing Address ______________________________________________

  ____________________________________________________________

  ____________________________________________________________

  Phone____________________  e-mail ____________________________

  Check enclosed for $40 ___ (ASI member)    $45 ___ (nonmember)

  For a campus map and directions to the campus, see:
  http://www.csulb.edu/Images/campus-map.gif

  Please send this form and your check, made out to ASI,  by July 31st to:

  Joy Thomas
  2169 Tulane Ave.
  Long Beach, CA 90815-2949

Welcome, all, to our Golden Gate Chapter mailing list!

I believe we now have about 70 subscribers, most of whom are Chapter members.
The other Board members and I see the main purpose of the list as a way to
distribute our newsletter, Entry Points, more easily so we don't burn out our
fabulous editor, Ellen Davenport. But we can also use it to ask each other
questions, of course, or to post available indexing jobs. I'd like to start
things off by posting a mini-membership survey.

As official Chapter Contact, I often hear from people who are looking for an
indexer for a specific project, so I am frequently in a position to provide a
short list of names to an editor who does not want to advertise a job to too
many people. I could do a much better and fairer job of this if I knew more
about all of you, so please, if you'd like me to be able to give out your
name, help me out by answering a few questions. You can either reply to the
list, if you'd like everyone to know more about you, or privately to me if
you prefer. I particularly want to hear from those of you whom I don't know.
I'll print out all the information I receive from you and make a file of it
which can be passed on to the next chapter contact person.

Here are the essential questions, but feel free to tell me anything else you
want me to know, or to send me your resume as well.

--What materials do you index: books? periodicals? electronic media?
particular types of books?
--What subject areas are you comfortable working in, and do you have any
special background which qualifies you in those areas?
--What subject areas do you particularly like to work in/wish you worked in
more often?
--How long have you been indexing?
--Any special limits on your availability?
--Are you willing to take small jobs (say, under $400-500)?

Thanks in advance,

Therese Shere
Golden Gate Chapter president

Hi Therese!

OK, I'll bite!

>--What materials do you index: books? periodicals? electronic media?
>particular types of books?

BOOKS - ANY TYPE

>--What subject areas are you comfortable working in, and do you have any
>special background which qualifies you in those areas?

My resume stresses TRAVEL (I worked in the industry, and wrote marketing
material, etc), EDUCATION (I have a secondary credential and taught English
and history), ART (one of my minors, and I managed an artist for 12 years),
and BUSINESS (I've been working out in the business world in administration
in a variety of corporate environments for the last 15 years - including 7
in finance).   I majored in French, so have strengths there, and would also
feel comfortable indexing in  history, biography, theatre, gardening,
cooking, crafts, self-help.

>--What subject areas do you particularly like to work in/wish you worked in
>more often?

See above, and see below.

>--How long have you been indexing?   I'm a NEWBIE - finished USDA, went to
Indianapolis to the ASI convention, and have completed four sample/practice
indexes - a cookbook, a coffee table art book, a travel book and a business
writing text.

>--Any special limits on your availability?     NO!  I'm AVAILABLE and EAGER
for work!
The reason I'm filling this out and sending it back to you via the list
rather than privately, is precisely because I am seeking overflow work from
any indexer who can send it my way, because I really want and need to get
going with a real indexing assignment for real money - or even one for very
little money - or even one for no money - for the sake of building up
experience and references.

  >--Are you willing to take small jobs (say, under $400-500)?  YES!

>
Thanks a million, Therese  - and I'll send my resume to you via the US Mail
for your file.


Katherine Clymer
Indexing Services
(805) 534-9758
kclymer@...



-----Original Message-----
From: TShere7566@... <TShere7566@...>
To: GGASI@onelist.com <GGASI@onelist.com>
Date: Wednesday, July 21, 1999 5:07 PM
Subject: [GGASI] Referrals; need info. about you all!


>From: TShere7566@...
>
>Welcome, all, to our Golden Gate Chapter mailing list!
>
>I believe we now have about 70 subscribers, most of whom are Chapter
members.
>The other Board members and I see the main purpose of the list as a way to
>distribute our newsletter, Entry Points, more easily so we don't burn out
our
>fabulous editor, Ellen Davenport. But we can also use it to ask each other
>questions, of course, or to post available indexing jobs. I'd like to start
>things off by posting a mini-membership survey.
>
>As official Chapter Contact, I often hear from people who are looking for
an
>indexer for a specific project, so I am frequently in a position to provide
a
>short list of names to an editor who does not want to advertise a job to
too
>many people. I could do a much better and fairer job of this if I knew more
>about all of you, so please, if you'd like me to be able to give out your
>name, help me out by answering a few questions. You can either reply to the
>list, if you'd like everyone to know more about you, or privately to me if
>you prefer. I particularly want to hear from those of you whom I don't
know.
>I'll print out all the information I receive from you and make a file of it
>which can be passed on to the next chapter contact person.
>
>Here are the essential questions, but feel free to tell me anything else
you
>want me to know, or to send me your resume as well.
>
>--What materials do you index: books? periodicals? electronic media?
>particular types of books?
>--What subject areas are you comfortable working in, and do you have any
>special background which qualifies you in those areas?
>--What subject areas do you particularly like to work in/wish you worked in
>more often?
>--How long have you been indexing?
>--Any special limits on your availability?
>--Are you willing to take small jobs (say, under $400-500)?
>
>Thanks in advance,
>
>Therese Shere
>Golden Gate Chapter president
>
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Therese--

I am most comfortable working with books on computer science,
programming and user manuals.  I also do work with organizational
management materials and human resources management. I have educational
background in both of these subject areas and find they are "naturals"
for me, so that's what I try to do most of the time.

I would prefer to work with small jobs--150-400 pagers because I find I
do a better job with them.

I work mostly with books, but also do an embedded index in Frame for Sun
Microsystems that is a directory.  I have been indexing for about 7
years.

My availability depends on the length of the job, the timeframe, and if
I already have another project in the works.

By the way I'm seriously considering attending the conference in Long
Beach.  That little presentation I did to the STC in Rohnert Park leads
me to believe that there will be a lot of opportunity out there for
anyone willing to learn how to do web indexing.  Are you going? I'm
trying to decide if I fly down or drive and stay a few days.

Joan Dickey

Hi you all! Here is my response to the mini-survey:

I am a free-lance indexer (sometimes editing) for print, online help systems,
and
HTML documentation. The subject matter is computer-related and includes anything
from software to hardware documentation. I use primarily FrameMaker and Word. I
did get a chance to use Macrex to index a 1000-page, herbal correspondence
course. Would like to have more opportunities to index this subject matter
because of my interest in the field.

I have been indexing for about 9 years and have work with computer-related
products for 12. I welcome any length assignment, and my fees are negotiable.

Thank you for organizing this database!

> Here are the essential questions, but feel free to tell me anything else you
> want me to know, or to send me your resume as well.
>
> --What materials do you index: books? periodicals? electronic media?
> particular types of books?
> --What subject areas are you comfortable working in, and do you have any
> special background which qualifies you in those areas?
> --What subject areas do you particularly like to work in/wish you worked in
> more often?
> --How long have you been indexing?
> --Any special limits on your availability?
> --Are you willing to take small jobs (say, under $400-500)?

I'd like referrals for indexing and editing! Arthritis has slowed me to
typing with one hand, so no rush jobs nor huge projects. I enjoy new authors
& don't mind doing a little handholding.
I index & edit books & periodicals, no electronics, any type but engineering,
technical, computer, etc. (no online editing nor indexing). Am sending you my
resume & recent title list. Humanities & social sciences, library science,
popular medicine & law & what used to be called home economics are all backed
up with college certificates or degrees.
Have been indexing about 11 years & was Entry Points editor. I am comfortable
with anything ethical & reasonably well-written. Would like more psychology,
social justice, early jazz, & cartooning titles, since you ask, but don't
restrict myself.
Availability limits: most of the time I can take on  an editing project at
medium speed; indexing goes at about 100 pages a week. I prefer smaller jobs
but of course will take regular book length ones.
Thank YOU in advance, Therese--
Nancy Freedom

Hi Therese,

Thanks for posting your survey questions.

>Here are the essential questions, but feel free to tell me anything else you
>want me to know, or to send me your resume as well.
>
>--What materials do you index: books? periodicals? electronic media?
>particular types of books?

I primarily index books and electronic media using embedded indexes. Most
of my projects are professional books, text books, user guides, and
training material.

>--What subject areas are you comfortable working in, and do you have any
>special background which qualifies you in those areas?

My subject areas are scientific (math, psychology, and life sciences) and
technical (computer and software). I have a Masters degree and five years
research background in Epidemiology and Biostatistics, and 15 years
experience writing, editing, and indexing computer and software manuals.

>--What subject areas do you particularly like to work in/wish you worked in
>more often?

I'm particularly interested in Internet applications.

>--How long have you been indexing?

20 years.

>--Any special limits on your availability?

No.

>--Are you willing to take small jobs (say, under $400-500)?

Yes.

I've recently re-positioned my business (The Isis Group) to focus
exclusively on indexing, editing, and document QA, and am game for most
projects.

Thanks again,

Heather

Nancy--

I have heard some good things about Dragon Dictate for persons who have
difficulty typing.  Have you considered using voice recognition
software?  It might be very helpful to you with your arthritis.

Joan Dickey

I am considering attending the conference in Long Beach on August 7.  So
far as I can figure out, there aren't any quick methods of flying into
Long Beach.  The best suggestion so far is to fly to L.A.X. and then
rent a car.

Is anyone else from GGASI going to the conference?  Would you consider
sharing a car to drive from LAX to Long Beach?

Please reply directly to me at jddindex@....

Thanks

Joan Dickey

Hi Therese,

I wanted to reply to your message earlier but things have been a little
hectic for me this week.  Thanks for organizing this and putting this
list together!

>--What materials do you index: books? periodicals? electronic media?
>particular types of books?

I index mostly books but occasionally online help.  All of the books I
index are for computer companies and publishers that produce
computer-related books.  I create stand-alone indexes in CINDEX and
embedded indexes in FrameMaker and Microsoft Word.

>--What subject areas are you comfortable working in, and do you have any
>special background which qualifies you in those areas?

I'm most comfortable indexing computer books.  I've indexed very complex
software and hardware manuals (up to 1000 pages), programming manuals,
books about popular application programs and computers, education
catalogs for computer companies, and many user manuals for various
companies.  I've worked in the computer industry for about 16 years (10
of those years as a technical writer and editor for Tandem Computers).

>--What subject areas do you particularly like to work in/wish you worked in
>more often?

I especially enjoy indexing books for interesting software applications
and operations manuals for computers.  I would love to have the
opportunity to index some nontechnical books someday.  I am interested in
(and have written several magazine articles about) the following
subjects:  nature, gardening, travel, and quilting.  I'd also be
interested in indexing cookbooks and books about arts and crafts.

>--How long have you been indexing?

I have been indexing for about 8 years.

>--Any special limits on your availability?

No (unless I am overbooked)

>--Are you willing to take small jobs (say, under $400-500)?

Yes

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E N T R Y  P O I N T S

Newsletter of the Golden Gate Chapter
of the American Society of Indexers

August, 1999
Volume. 16  No. 3

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I N  T H I S  I S S U E


PRESIDENT'S MESSAGE

NEWS FROM NATIONAL

UPCOMING PROGRAMS
         Annual Picnic:  September 25

MAY 14 WORKSHOP AND MEETINGS
         Summary of Workshop
         Minutes of Annual Meeting
         Minutes of Board Meeting

REPORTS FROM THE ASI NATIONAL CONVENTION
         Therese Shere
         Katherine Clymer
         J. Naomi LInzer

NEWSLETTER SUBMISSIONS AND ONELIST INFORMATION

CHAPTER CONTACTS

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P R E S I D E N T ' S  M E S S A G E

Welcome, all of you, to this new incarnation of Entry Points! We're very
pleased to have our new email list, GGASI, up and running, thanks again to EP
editor Ellen Davenport. It will make circulation of the newsletter easy for us
and will help us send out last-minute meeting reminders, job announcements, and
the like. But we hope you will use it for questions and discussion as well.

Your new Board--President (that's me), Vice President/Program Chair Milya
Jacobson, Secretary Janet Russell, and Treasurer J. Naomi Linzer--met after our
May meeting and got a good start on plans for the upcoming year. My priority is
to support communication and contact among us all by making sure we have five
good meetings scheduled for the year, setting up this email list, and keeping
Entry Points going--hopefully with some contributions from some of you. I hope
also that we'll succeed in getting a Chapter Web site together this year; we'll
be able to use GGASI to discuss how you all would like it to look.

We will be meeting again an hour before the picnic on September 25 and will be
discussing meeting plans for the year. Please, if you have ideas or desires
about meeting programs, places, or times, either come to the Board meeting, or
contact Milya with your thoughts. Ideas that have been floated so far: a
workshop on index editing; comparative demonstration of indexing software;
tour/meeting on newspaper indexing; program on embedded indexing; and I've
probably forgotten some of them already. Also, I recently had an inquiry from a
nonmember about holding a meeting in the Silicon Valley. We do have a few
members there--are some of you interested in attending a meeting? What sort of
program would suit you?

A couple of weeks ago, I posted a request for information about you all that
would help me in referring work to you. I get frequent requests for "a few
names of suitable indexers." I only heard from about ten of you--and surely
there are more who would like to be getting referrals! Here are the questions
again. Please, take a few minutes to answer them and reply either to the list
(if you want to share the information with all of us) or to me personally at
tshere7566@....

--What materials do you index?
--What subject areas are you comfortable working in, and do you have any
special background that qualifies you in those areas?
--How long have you been indexing?
--Any special limits on your availability?
--Are you willing to take small jobs (under $400-500)?

Thanks in advance, and happy indexing...see you on September 25.

--Therese Shere

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N E W S  F R O M  N A T I O N A L

Reports on June's Annual Conference in Indianapolis appear elsewhere in this
newsletter.

*ASI's new President is Sandi Schroeder. She says her main goals for the year
are to promote publisher awareness of ASI and to promote networking among
members.

*Dick Evans was elected Vice President/President Elect in May's special
election.

*The new Introductory Membership is now available. It replaces the old Student
Membership category. Introductory memberships are available for two years to
anyone who has not been a member of ASI in the last five years. Dues are $85;
membership benefits include KeyWords but not The Indexer.

*Thanks to the dues increase, ASI is again in good financial condition after a
close call last fall, according to Treasurer Carolyn Weaver. Not only is ASI
solvent, but the dues increase has already meant increased funding for the
professional development grant program and for publicity, which received $5000
each. It will also allow KeyWords to add pages; funding of the new salary
survey, the strategic planning process, and additional administrative help in
crunch times.

*The new edition of the Indexer Services Directory is in the mail, so those of
you who are listed in it should be receiving your copy very soon. Mary
Mortensen, new chair of ASI's Publicity Committee, is working hard to make sure
that it gets distributed widely to publishers and publishing organizations. If
any of you know of local publishers or organizations that should receive a
copy, please let me know and I'll see that they get one (Therese,
tshere7566@...)

*Other plans for the year: a new salary/professional activities survey (the
last one was done three years ago); a new redesigned member directory; and
possible establishment of an annual award for online indexing.

*The Chinese Society of Indexers has agreed in principle to sign the
International Affiliation Agreement, joining ASI and the Canadian, British, and
Australian societies

*And last but not least: the 1999 H. W. Wilson award was presented at the
Indianapolis conference to freelance indexer Richard Genova and publisher
Matthew Bender & Co., Inc., for the massive index to Brownfields Law and
Practice: the Cleanup and Redevelopment of Contaminated Land. The Hines award
for exceptional service to ASI was not given this year.

--Therese Shere

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U P C O M I N G  P R O G R A M S

GOLDEN GATE CHAPTER  A N N U A L  P I C N I C

This year we will meet in GOLDEN GATE PARK on Saturday, September 25, 12 noon.
No formal agenda, just a time to relax together, get to know new (and old)
members, ask questions, enjoy the afternoon!  Please bring your own lunch.
Remember to bring some extra layers of clothing since San Francisco's weather
can be unpredictable!

There will be a Board meeting before the picnic at 11 am for Board members and
anyone else interested in coming.

THE DESTINATION:
Lindley Meadow is in a dip just south of the T-junction where 30th AVENUE (not
30th Street) goes south from SF's Richmond district into Golden Gate Park and
stops at JFK Drive. ASI will have picnic tables Nos. 12 and 13.

JFK Drive is the northernmost east-west road. It runs across the park from
Stanyan on the east to Ocean Highway on the west. If JFK Drive is too crowded
or blocked off in any part, you can exit the Park to  the north and take Fulton
St. along the northern edge of the park to get to 30th Avenue and reenter the
park. If you forget your sandwich, there is a hot-dog stand at Spreckels Lake
about 3 blocks west of Lindley Meadow on JFK Drive, opposite the horse-stables
entrance.

DIRECTIONS:  The directions that follow look like we're telling you how to get
to a small village in Outer Mongolia.  It's actually not that hard to find
Lindley Meadow, but you're all coming from different directions and we want to
make sure everyone gets there.

There is a Web site with a map to Lindley Meadow.  Go to:
http://civiccenter.ci.sf.ca.us/recpark.  From the SF RecPark home page, go to
each successive screen:
    Destinations
       Golden Gate Park neighborhood
          Meadows
             Lindley

  From the EAST BAY:
Take Bay Bridge to SF, then the Fell Street Exit (past Civic Center, 101 South,
and Mission St.). On Fell continue uphill and downhill. It has 3 one-way lanes.
Near the end of Fell the one-block-wide Panhandle Park will be on your left. In
last block of Fell go with the left fork lanes into GG Park BUT be in the RIGHT
LANE crossing Stanyan. Half a block into the Park take the RIGHT FORK which is
JFK DRIVE (North Drive). Stay on JFK Drive a long, long time, through six or
seven stop-sign junctions. Pass the glass Victorian Hall of Flowers (on right),
the de Young Museum and bandshell area (on left), the Rose Garden (on right),
the Waterfall (on right), and go under one bridge. Pass Lloyd Lake (on right)
and Marx Meadow (in hollow on right). You have arrived when you see the 30th
Avenue sign on right. Park on the other side of JFK Drive (opposite 30th
Avenue) facing back the way you came. (If you see any buffalo on the right you
have gone too far, so turn around and go back, past horse stables driveway.)

  From the PENINSULA, EAST or CENTRAL SIDE
Take Highway 280 North up to Daly City, then exit to ROUTE ONE NORTH by getting
in left lanes toward Golden Gate Bridge. After crossing the bridge over
Brotherhood Way, turn left onto 19th Avenue which goes by San Francisco State
College. Continue north on 19th Avenue (up the entire alphabet in reverse:
Wawona to Irving). Then get in the LEFT LANE when crossing Lincoln St. into GG
Park. Stay on left until the stoplight for the 25th Avenue exit. Bear left onto
the 25th Ave. cutoff and exit from park at Fulton. There is no left turn
allowed at 25th & Fulton so go one block up 25th, turn left on Cabrillo, left
on 26th Ave., then Right on Fulton. Go west on Fulton until 30th Avenue, then
turn LEFT and go one block south to JFK Drive. Cross JFK and park on its south
side.

  From the PENINSULA, WEST SIDE
Take Rte. 35 Skyline (which crosses above Rte. 1 from Pacifica) and continues
downhill through several stoplights in Daly City on divided four-lane (pass
Westlake Blvd.on right, pass Fort Funston hang-gliders on left) until you are
in San Francisco and can see Lake Merced on the right. Look for stop sign for
two left lanes only. Turn left there at sign for Ocean Highway. Continue a long
time north on Ocean Highway with Pacific Ocean to your left. Pass new sewer
station on right, cross Sloat (where zoo is) and enter 2-mile closed section of
Ocean Highway where timed-light speed is about 32milees/hour. You can see Cliff
House in the distance above the ocean on left. Cross Lincoln with GG Park and
the first (Murphy) windmill in view on right. Prepare to turn RIGHT into Park
after passing Beach Chalet restaurant. Turn   right onto JFK Drive. On JFK pass
Queen Wilhelmina windmill garden on left, pass 47th Ave (and golf club) exit
road on left. At stop sign take left fork to continue east on JFK Drive. Pass
43rd Ave. exit then Buffalo Paddock will be on left. After "island" in the
middle of JFK Drive, pass horse stables on right and Spreckels Lake (hot dog
stand and model boats) on left. Slow down and park on right opposite "30th
Avenue" exit road.

FROM MARIN COUNTY AND NORTH
Take 101 South across Golden Gate Bridge. Choose RIGHT LANE AT TOLL BOOTH. Take
"25th Avenue Gate" exit into the Presidio. Drive uphill past W.W. II cement gun
emplacements on right. At stop sign turn right and continue on same road
(passing ocean overlooks on right, 1960's empty housing downhill on left, Baker
Beach turnoff on right, and the propped-up Blue House That Almost Fell Down Due
To Sewer Cave-in uphill on left) until 25th Avenue stop sign. Turn left on 25th
Avenue (going south). Cross Lake, Geary Blvd, and Balboa Streets. After
Cabrillo, instead of entering GG PARK, turn RIGHT ON FULTON (west toward
ocean). Go five blocks and turn left (south) onto 30th Avenue, then go one
block to JFK Drive

--Milya Jacobson

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M A Y  1 4  W O R K S H O P  A N D  M E E T I N G S

SUMMARY OF WORKSHOP
On Friday, May 14, eighteen Golden Gate Chapter members and guests met for a
garden-oriented program organized by Nancy Mulvany at the Regional Parks
Botanic Garden in the Berkeley hills. The  beautiful 10-acre garden, founded in
1940, is dedicated to the collection, growth, display and preservation of
California's native plants. The garden is divided into sections representing
distinctive natural areas of the state. Its steep, dramatic site, dotted with
lovely stone walls and bridges over a creek, contains every sort of
mini-habitat from redwood forest through Sierra meadow to cactus-studded
desert. Many of the plants are rare or threatened in the wild.

We began in the Garden's meeting room, where the Garden Supervisor spoke to us
about how they track their plant accessions. Each new plant gets a detailed
label that goes next to it in the garden, telling not only its name, but also
date and location of collection. If the plant survives for more than a year, it
gets a permanent record--in the form of a paper index card kept in a card file.
On these they add information as necessary (name changes, for example). They
hope someday to have the funds for a database project to computerize the
information; they could then keep more detailed records, including cultural
information about the plant and so on.

Nancy Mulvany, who is a docent at the Garden, gave a short presentation about
the idiosyncracies of plant-related indexing--mostly the problems of handling
plant names. She also shared her favorite reference sources for plant names.
Then it was out to the garden for an all-too-brief tour. Our little group never
made it out of one corner--we were too busy looking at tiny blooms through the
pocket microscope, smelling the leaves of a fragrant shrub, and quizzing our
docent about everything we saw. We all vowed to return! (For more information
about the garden, you can check the Web site at www.nativeplants.org .)

--Therese Shere


MINUTES OF ANNUAL CHAPTER MEETING

Following the workshop and lunch on the lawn, Robyn Brode called the annual
meeting to order.

Therese Shere described ASI's Gardening/Environmental Studies SIG.

Joan Dickey announced that she would be speaking on embedded indexing for the
North Bay Society for Technical Communications on May 20.

Therese announced the results of the ASI national election.

Therese submitted the Treasurer's report.

Karen Hollister announced the results of the Golden Gate Chapter election:
          Therese Shere, President
          Milya Jacobsen, Vice President
          Naomi Linzer, Treasurer
          Janet Russell, Secretary.

Robyn Brode reviewed the activities of the past year, commenting on the great
programs, the number of new members who had participated. She thanked Ellen
Davenport for her efforts on the newsletter. She then handed over the virtual
gavel to Therese.

Therese presented Robyn with four native California perennials as a thank you
for her work as President for the Chapter.

The annual meeting adjourned.


MINUTES OF CHAPTER BOARD MEETING

The Chapter Board then had a short meeting. Present were Therese Shere,
President; Milya Jacobsen, Vice President; Naomi Linzer, Treasurer; Ellen
Davenport, Editor; and Janet Russell, Secretary.

Therese distributed copies of the bylaws and procedures to new Board members.

Therese will appoint an audit committee as required by the bylaws to review the
Treasurer's records, which she handed over to Naomi.

We discussed possible programs for the coming year. The annual picnic was
tentatively scheduled for September 18 or 25. Other programs suggested were
demonstrations of indexing programs and a program on editing of indexes.

The Chapter had been offered an opportunity to sponsor a workshop on video
indexing this summer, but the Board decided it was beyond our resources. We
would offer to help with the publicity if the presenter decided to do the
workshop on her own.

The Board considered applying for a Professional Development Grant from
National ASI, but decided that the midsummer deadline did not allow enough time
for planning a program for this year.

The Board decided to begin distributing Entry Points on ONElist, a mailing list
program. Members will be subscribed automatically; others may subscribe if they
wish. We will continue to distribute a printed copy of Entry Points only to
those few members who do not have e-mail.

The meeting was adjourned.

--Janet Russell, Secretary

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R E P O R T S  F R O M  T H E  A S I  N A T I O N A L  C O N V E N T I O N

Some of our members attended this year's ASI National Convention in
Indianapolis. Three came back with reports:

THERESE SHERE REPORTS
I only attended two days of this year's annual conference in Indianapolis, so
it was a real whirlwind. For me the highlight (apart from sleeping in a hotel
room that was a Pullman train car in a previous life), as always, was the
chance to meet and visit with other indexers from all around the country. This
was the third conference I've attended, and I always find my casual
conversations with people interesting and valuable.

Among the general session presentations, I was fascinated by the talk given by
John Phillips of the Shoah Foundation (real name: Survivors of the Shoah Visual
History Foundation) in Los Angeles. Their mission is to videotape, and then
make accessible to researchers and the general public, oral testimonies of
Holocaust survivors. They already have about 51,000 testimonies on tape, each
2-5 hours long. Online access to the entire archive is the ultimate goal, and
the indexing process is pretty complicated. They use a thesaurus which now has
about 15,000 terms, with 100 new candidate terms each week. Their indexing
guidelines run to 55 pages. At one time they had 70 indexers, though they are
now down to 30. Just a couple of the things which present problems for
indexing: 26,000 of the testimonies are in English, but the rest are in 31
other languages. Geographic names are incredibly complicated because of changes
over time--the same town may have many different names. And, because of the
nature of oral history, sometimes witnesses remember facts wrong or not at all
(indexers do not "correct" testimony, but do have the option of checking facts
and adding corrections as an editorial note). Of course, one of the most
difficult things about working on this project is the very disturbing nature of
the testimony--indexers have to be able to handle that, too. Unfortunately, Mr.
Phillips was not able to show us the testimony excerpt he had brought along,
due to technical glitches.

The one workshop I took this year was the one given by Dr. Bella Hass Weinberg
on "Exhaustivity of Indexing." I've often been mystified by Dr. Weinberg's
KeyWords articles, but in person she was witty, charming, and made perfect
sense. There were at least 60 participants in the workshop. She focused on
defining "exhaustivity" or "depth" as applied to indexes; discussing ways to
measure it; and most importantly to me at least, talked a lot about
"indexability." What is and is not indexable? Not surprisingly, she is an
advocate for exhaustive indexing--including indexing of front and back matter
in many cases, negative references, peripheral statements and digressions, and
minor mentions. There was some lively discussion of Hazel Bell's argument that
a long string of locators to indicate minor mentions is a valuable thing in an
index (the trick is, they must be minor--not important subentries with their
descriptions lopped off to save space). Dr. Weinberg also covered journal and
electronic full-text indexing and distributed a great, extremely detailed,
handout. Her own summary of the workshop will appear soon in KeyWords.

###

KATHERINE CLYMER REPORTS
Since I am still in the category of "wannabe" indexer, my focus at ASI's 31st
Annual Conference was learning and exploration. Consequently, most of the
optional workshops I attended were those designed for novices. My first day was
dedicated entirely to Macrex, which I had purchased but only begun to use. The
time was a good investment for me. The morning  session was led by Gale Rhoades
of  Macrex, with Do Mi Stauber adding comments and explanations from a working
indexer's frame of reference. The afternoon session reversed their roles, and
consisted of a narrated demonstration of Do Mi indexing a scholarly work using
Macrex, and Gale adding comments, explanations, and options from the Macrex
design and operation standpoint. Since both presenters are not only
knowledgeable about their subjects, but gifted instructors, the day was
valuable to someone with my particular needs.

Another helpful session for me as a newbie was Carol Roberts' presentation,
"Marketing for the Shy," which was interesting, informative, and extremely
helpful, as it included exercises intended to widen the possibilities and
alleviate terror from the prospect of marketing one's indexing services.

  From an intellectual and inspirational point of view, the Friday morning
presentation "Indexing Oral Histories" by John Phillips of the Shoah Visual
History Foundation was very powerful. Getting a glimpse into the inner workings
of this Steven Spielberg project, which documented lengthy and detailed
videotaped interviews with living Holocaust survivors all over the world, was
extremely educational. We were given a good idea of the complexity and vastness
of the body of information being gathered, the special talents and skills
required to assemble and organize it, and the kinds of problems encountered and
solutions the Shoah Foundation is applying.

One of the high points of the convention for me had nothing to do with
indexing, but says a lot about indexers. Shortly after I registered for the
convention, I received an email from Karen Lane, a New York indexer, looking
for anyone attending the convention who was interested in getting together with
others to "make music" during the week in Indianapolis. Since I am an
enthusiastic choral singer, I emailed a positive response and asked to be
informed of any developments. When I heard nothing further on the subject, I
left for Indianapolis assuming the idea was abandoned due to lack of interest.
With delight, however, I read on the notice board outside the exhibit room that
there would be a get-together of those interested in music on Thursday evening.
When I arrived at the appointed meeting room, it turned out that there were
about 12 of us--all women--who wanted to sing. We organized ourselves into
harmony part sections and sang from sheet music provided by Marianna Stewart
from upstate New York. Do Mi Stauber, of Eugene, Oregon, then taught us a song,
directed us in singing it, and sang the descant to it. We were joined by Golden
Gate Chapter's Victoria Baker, who taught us another song, and soloed on it
with us. Singing with all of these women indexers from all over the country was
a wonderful experience!  After several hours of song, our organizer, Karen
Lane, informed us that we would be performing as a group at the next evening's
ASI Awards Banquet. Amid much laughter (and head shaking) we agreed to assemble
shortly before the dinner for a brief rehearsal.

Early Friday evening we did reassemble and rehearse briefly, and we did sing
three songs for the assembled indexers and guests at the Indianapolis Arts
Garden. It was a pleasure to sing there because the acoustics were great and it
was fun to have something special to do that evening.

For me, it is one more motivation to become a "real" (for money) indexer-I want
to sing again with that group next year in Albuquerque!

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J. NAOMI LINZER REPORTS ON TWO GENERAL SESSIONS:

How do you think of the data in your computer? As an image? As a constellation
of stars connected by pathways?" asked Dr. Gregory Rawlins as he began his
session titled TAKING BACK THE DESKTOP.

A team of students and geeks under the stewardship of Prof. Rawlins at Indiana
University, Bloomington, has been developing a new computer desktop
experience--Knownspace--"to transform the [computer] desktop experience."
According to the information on the Knownspace web site:

"Knownspace is a versatile proactive desktop information manager that is
constantly communicating with you and adapting itself to suit and reflect your
needs, habits and interests."

Knownspace could not have existed before Java and is opensource, or free, and
anyone may redesign the program. The first version will be available to the
public in January 2000 and will be called Knownspace: Hydrogen  Each successive
version will be named after the next element in the periodic table.

Besides the challenge of dreaming up and programming something original and
innovative, Prof. Rawlins' motivation is to break the "robber baron-mogul
monopoly."

*****

"At times, there are requests for an index to be created from already existing
indexes," began Francis Lennie at her session titled SECONDARY INDEXING WITH
FRANCIS LENNIE. These are rush jobs and ephemeral texts.  For example, a
professor may want a new text with an index for a class. She may select
chapters from Text A and Text B to create Text C. The applicable parts of the
indexes must also be extracted from Texts A and B to create a complete Text C.

The indexer will mechanically sort and resort the entries to create the new
index. Because there is no time to read the text, after the index is created,
all cross-references must be eliminated.


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N E W S L E T T E R  S U B M I S S I O N S
A N D
O N E L I S T  I N F O R M A T I O N

Thanks to your patience and cooperation, we're able to distribute this issue of
Entry Points via ONElist. So far, 80 members and interested non-members have
subscribed. As Newsletter Editor, I'm particularly appreciative, as it will
make it much easier for me to circulate the newsletter.

If you're receiving this newsletter through ONElist, you've already
accomplished the hard part--signing up. If you have any problems navigating
through ONElist, please don't hesitate to contact me and I'll help you. A few
things that you should know:

*If you change your email address, you will need to let ONElist know or you
won't get your any GGASI messages. You do this by accessing our ONElist site:
go to GGASI@onelist.com and go to the Member Center; where you'll see the
option: "To change your email address or password, click here."  Click and
follow the directions.

*You can view messages in standard or digest format. To specify this format, go
to the Member Center (see above); under List Center, you'll see GGASI.  Check
(or uncheck) the box under Digest.

*To view GGASI archives, click on GGASI under List Center (see above) and then
click on "View Archives."

Now that we have GGASI, we can communicate with each other in two ways:

*Send a message to the list: just type GGASI@onelist.com after "TO:" As the
list is unmoderated, please restrict your message to indexing topics, be polite
and considerate of others, and keep your message as concise as possible.

*Write an article for the newsletter. Looking at our member list, we have more
than our share of excellent, well-respected indexers with a wealth of expertise
in all facets of indexing. Or newsletter is only as good as its contributions;
please consider writing an article on a topic of your choice. Would you like to
report on a new technology, or pass along information about a valuable resource
you've come across, or talk about how you've set up your bookkeeping, or
discuss the publishing business in Northern California? Here's your forum.

Send your article to Ellen Davenport (see Chapter Contacts, below). To make
sure this newsletter gets out to our Chapter members on time, all submissions
need to be received on or before the 10th of the month in which the newsletter
will go out. If you miss the deadline for one issue, however, we'll print it in
the following issue.

THE SUBMISSION DEADLINE FOR THE NEXT NEWSLETTER IS OCTOBER 10, 1999.

--Ellen Davenport

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C H A P T E R  C O N T A C T S

Ellen Davenport, Entry Points Editor, edaven@..., (707) 829-1519, fax
(707) 823-5630
         Anything related to the newsletter

Therese Shere, President, tshere7566@..., (707) 838-7823
         Anything related to program ideas and publicity

Milya Jacobsen, Vice President, miljaJ@..., (415) 454-9224
         Information about and registration for meetings, new membership and
address/phone changes, general      questions

Janet Russell, Secretary, CorofinInd@..., (925) 689-1998
         Questions about minutes, copies of minutes, information about history
and archiving

J. Naomi Linzer, Treasurer, jnlinzer@..., (707) 923-4361
         Reimbursal for Chapter-related expenses

Jean Mann, Western Chapter Relations Chair, indxmann@..., (707) 887-9176
         Questions about National--Chapter relations

Hello - I am exploring indexing as a profession.  Does anyone have a copy of
Mulvany's Indexing Books that I could borrow?  I was told to read it cover to
cover!

In a message dated 99-08-20 23:10:48 EDT, Preissler@... writes:

<< I am exploring indexing as a profession.  Does anyone have a copy of
  Mulvany's Indexing Books that I could borrow?  I was told to read it cover
to
  cover!
   >>

Sorry, I consult my copy too often to lend it! It's well worth buying, even
if you're just exploring. It's less than $21 from Amazon, but buy it from
them through Nancy's website bookstore. The address is
www.bayside-indexing.com

--Therese Shere

Preissler,

If you have any real interest in indexing, you should buy the book, because
you will want to read it several times and refer to it later. Your local
indpendently-owned bookstore can order it for you, or get it through any
Web bookseller. If you don't have the money for the book, you probably
don't have the money or energy to set up an indexing business.

Bill Meyers


At 11:10 PM 8/20/1999 EDT, you wrote:
>From: Preissler@...
>
>Hello - I am exploring indexing as a profession.  Does anyone have a copy of
>Mulvany's Indexing Books that I could borrow?  I was told to read it cover
to
>cover!
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>From: Preissler@...
>
>Hello - I am exploring indexing as a profession.  Does anyone have a copy of
>Mulvany's Indexing Books that I could borrow?  I was told to read it cover to
>cover!

I think most indexer's hold onto this text for reference but you might want
to get a copy from the public library to read cover to cover.

Naomi

*****************************************************************************J.
J. Naomi Linzer
Indexing Services
POB 1341
459 Redway Drive
Redway, CA  95560
(707) 923-4361
jnlinzer@...
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http://www.asindexing.org   <-- American Society of Indexers website.

Hello,

I recently retired from indexing (now working as director of research for
Yoga Research and Education Center), and although I'm not willing to part
with my Mulvany :-), I took a look through my books and can offer the
following for sale:

Bonura, Larry S. The Art of Indexing. New York: John Wiley & Sons, 1994.
Cloth edition with dust jacket, brand new. [List price: $34.99, Amazon price:
$24.99 + $3.95 shipping, my price: $18.00 + 7.25% CA sales tax + $2.50
shipping]

Borko, Harold, and Charles L. Bernier. Indexing Concepts and Methods. New
York: Academic Press, 1978. No dust jacket, but in excellent condition
otherwise. [Out of print, not available through Amazon, checked
BookFinder.com, the largest used-book finder on the Web, and the cheapest
available price there is $20.00, plus an average of $4.00 shipping, my price:
$14.00 + 7.25% CA sales tax + $2.50 shipping]

Wellisch, Hans. Indexing from A to Z. 1st ed. New York: H. W. Wilson Co.,
1991. Cloth edition with dust jacket, excellent condition. [1st ed. is out of
print, 2d. ed. through Amazon is $40.00, no copies of first edition available
through BookFinder.com, my price $15.00 + 7.25% CA sales tax + $3.00 shipping]

If you are interested in more than one book, shipping would be $2.50 (or
$3.00) for the first book, and $1.00 for each additional.

Best regards,
Trisha
---------------------------------
Trisha Lamb Feuerstein
Integral Publishing
P.O. Box 1030
Lower Lake, CA 95457
(707) 928-5751

Hello everyone,

All of the books I listed for sale in an earlier post (The Art of Indexing,
Indexing Concepts and Methods, and Indexing from A to Z) have sold.

Thank you for your interest,
Trisha
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Trisha Lamb Feuerstein
Integral Publishing
P.O. Box 1030
Lower Lake, CA 95457

Hello everyone,

For several years I have, on a volunteer basis, created the annual index to
the national animal rights magazine _The Animals' Agenda_.  Because of the
enormous amount of work involved in the startup of my husband's and my Yoga
Research and Education Center, however, I am not going to be able to do it
this year and am thus seeking a replacement for myself for this November task.

It is not a large job, is very interesting, and helps to create access to
important information on behalf of the animals.  You also would have my
former indexes to use as a guide, and the editor of the magazine is currently
trying to locate funds to pay a "modest amount" for your work.

If you are interested, please contact me either by e-mail or by phone
(707-928-5751).

Best regards,
Trisha
-----------------------------------
Trisha Lamb Feuerstein

FYI--

Just found an advert in a recent issue of ARCHEOLOGY offering  The
Cambridge Biographical Encyclopedia for $7.50, and QPB has Roget's Super
Thesaurus and M-W's Geographical Dictionary in their intro offer for new
memebers @ $1.00 and $2.00 respectively, plus postage.

Naomi

PS Please excuse any duplicate postings you may receive.

*****************************************************************************J.
J. Naomi Linzer
Indexing Services
POB 1341
459 Redway Drive
Redway, CA  95560
(707) 923-4361
jnlinzer@...
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http://www.asindexing.org   <-- American Society of Indexers website.

Dear Trisha:
     As an indexer & yoga teacher who respects animals, I'm interested in
doing the magazine index, provided my working from hard copy using In>sort on
my old Macintosh is compatible with what you've done, & also providing my
regular rate of $3.50 per indexable page for non-technical works is paid. If
the aforesaid "modest amount" is less than that, a new indexer who needs
experience will surely want the job.
     Blessings on your new yoga work!
     Nancy Freedom (510) 428-1184

Hi Nancy,

Thank you for your interest.  I'm certain, however, given the shoestring
budget of the organization that publishes _The Animals' Agenda_ , that the
modest amount paid will be much less than $3.50/page, so it will likely be
one of the newer indexers who is hired.  Several of the latter have contacted
me as well, and I'm going to pass everyone's info along to the editor and his
assistant, and they'll take it from there.

Kind regards,
Trisha


<< Dear Trisha:
      As an indexer & yoga teacher who respects animals, I'm interested in
  doing the magazine index, provided my working from hard copy using In>sort
on
  my old Macintosh is compatible with what you've done, & also providing my
  regular rate of $3.50 per indexable page for non-technical works is paid. If
  the aforesaid "modest amount" is less than that, a new indexer who needs
  experience will surely want the job.
      Blessings on your new yoga work!
      Nancy Freedom (510) 428-1184 >>

Hello all,

I'm posting the announcement of the So. CA chapter's next meeting. It sounds
fascinating, and I can't go, so I hope there's somebody out there who can
make it.

--Therese Shere
President, ASI-Golden Gate


Learn about Indexing of Art and Tour the Huntington!
The Huntington, San Marino, California
Saturday, October 2, 1999
10:00 to 3:00

Our speakers will be Linda Zoeckler, Head of the Huntington's Art
Reference
Library, and Brooke Henderson, Reference Specialist at the Getty
Research
Institute. They will describe for us the many uses to which they put
indexes
to works of art, explain the difficulties they experience in using such
indexes, and
suggest how to improve them.

Our day will begin with a two-hour tour of the Huntington Library,
conducted
by Linda Zoeckler.  At noon, we'll have lunch (included in the price)
and
then we'll have our presentation on art indexes.  The conclusion of the
day
will be a tour of the Art Reference Library, which will conclude in time
for
you to browse the Museum Book and Gift Shop or a portion of the
Huntington
Gardens.

To register, send your check (payable to ASI-SoCal) for $25 ($35
for nonmembers), plus the Registration Form that follows, to the address

below by September 25th.  Sorry, but no registrations can be accepted
after September 25th, nor can you register at the door.  We know this
may seem a bit arbitrary to some, but because we must arrange for
facilities and lunches, we must have a firm count a week in advance.

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HUNTINGTON LIBRARY TOUR AND PRESENTATION ON ART INDEXES

Please register me for the October 2nd ASI-SoCal
meeting at the Huntington Library.  Enclosed is
my check for $______..

Name___________________________________

Address___________________________________

             ___________________________________

Phone___________________________________

E-Mail Address___________________________

My box lunch preference (includes side salad of the day, seasonal fresh
fruit
cup, pickle spear, two cookies, iced tea or soda):

______Ham on rye with lettuce and tomato
______Chicken salad on sourdough with lettuce and tomato
______Jack cheese on wheat with lettuce, tomato, avocado and sprouts

Send to:

Anne Leach
78240 Bonanza Drive
Palm Desert, CA  92211-1208
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