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Terrence Seamon
thseamon
Jan 1, 2005 2:52 pm
With all due respect to the esteemed Dr. Sullivan, when it comes to raises, "HR People" may be the providers (i.e., the administrators), but they are not the...
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Fred Nickols
fwnickols
Jan 1, 2005 9:30 pm
I just sent to Dr John Sullivan a reply to his latest post in the "HR as Socialists" thread. I meant to send it to the list as well so I'll reconstruct it...
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Robert Bacal
rbacal2000
Jan 1, 2005 11:34 pm
I'm just wondering whether it's possible to actually discuss facts, figures, and information, WITHOUT the requirement that we insert some label, as has been...
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HRNET@yahoogroups.com
Jan 2, 2005 12:40 pm
================================================================ Can I Use HRNET to Advertise My Product or Service? ...
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Britton, Randy
randyb726
Jan 2, 2005 3:57 pm
Dr. Sullivan calls HR's "lack" of attention to performance "socialism." My experience is that our administration of salaries is, rather, a form of marketing....
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Dr John Sullivan
johns@...
Jan 3, 2005 12:44 pm
... Terrence OK, you pushed my button It's time to stop the whining in HR over the fact that we can't be accountable for people results because we don't have...
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Terrence Seamon
thseamon
Jan 3, 2005 4:55 pm
... It's not whining. Just the facts as I have seen them in several corporations where I have worked. Happy New Year! Terry Terrence Seamon T & OD Guy AGL...
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Michelle.J.Cutter@...
mjcutters
Jan 4, 2005 2:57 pm
I have to say that I totally agree with John. His logic and arguments are sound. As always, I find that his thoughtful postings help me challenge my own...
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rpederse_
Jan 4, 2005 3:30 pm
I work for Kansas City Public Library, which has about 260 employees in ten locations. We use Blackbaud's "Financial Edge" product, including the Payroll...
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jlewis16@...
jlewismemphis
Jan 4, 2005 3:32 pm
His logic and arguments are good, but just like socks, they will not fit all. There are some places that treat HR as if it is nothing but a clerical function....
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jobs@...
Jetiduncan
Jan 4, 2005 3:56 pm
I wish I as the HR Director had control of what the turkey gets. I was informed that we would ALL be getting 3% this year superemployee or turkey. However,...
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jobs@...
Jetiduncan
Jan 4, 2005 3:58 pm
Not sure where your facts are coming from, but HR does NOT have the final say on who gets what..... On Fri, 31 Dec 2004 19:58:20 -0800...
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David Kalish
dkalish
Jan 4, 2005 4:34 pm
I agree with Mr. Bacal's comment but I am forced to consider this topic with its label did generate much discussion. It is sad but true that "sex sells" as do...
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Fred Nickols
fwnickols
Jan 4, 2005 5:28 pm
I changed the title of this thread to HR As A Profit Center. But first a response to Doug Khalish's posting... ... I'm curious Doug. I'll give you the "much"...
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Gijs Houtzagers
gijs@...
Jan 4, 2005 5:45 pm
Hi Fred, Perhaps profit center goes somewhat far, however we have seen that the PeopleSoft Finance division of Ahold tries to stand on its feet by becoming a...
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Robert Bacal
rbacal2000
Jan 4, 2005 6:17 pm
... It does sell, and the sad truth is there are speakers, consultants, and yes, authors and university professors that deliberately "troll" for financial gain...
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Michelle.J.Cutter@...
mjcutters
Jan 4, 2005 6:44 pm
Max: Just a few points... You stated below that you don't agree that most HR departments are there for the underperformer. While I don't believe that HR...
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Max Wagoner
hrnetcornell
Jan 4, 2005 6:57 pm
Fred: That is your name isn't it? (grin) ... Who is Doug Khalish? I know "David" "Kalish" and a Doug Max. But, who in the world is Doug Khalish? (grin) ......
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Max Wagoner
hrnetcornell
Jan 4, 2005 6:58 pm
... I don't "disagree"; with John in principal. But, reality and principal do not always meet. I also question some of his assumptions. For instance, his...
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Max Wagoner
hrnetcornell
Jan 4, 2005 7:08 pm
... Yes, many HR policies, programs and processes focus on underperformers............trying to get rid of them safely and expeditiously. Trying to push...
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Fred Nickols
fwnickols
Jan 4, 2005 7:08 pm
Mercy me. Mea culpa, mea culpa, mea maxima culpa. I confused Dave Khalish with Doug Max and created Doug Khalish. Oh well, I suppose there's a Dave Max...
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Robert Bacal
rbacal2000
Jan 5, 2005 3:41 am
... I suspect (having seen John speak at a conference we both were presenting at), that John's Utopia has far less to do with what he sees HR doing, and much...
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Robert Bacal
rbacal2000
Jan 5, 2005 3:46 am
... Depends on the meaning of "true", the inclusion of which makes the question pretty meaningless. But, you can do some interesting stuff accounting wise, and...
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Dr John Sullivan
johns@...
Jan 5, 2005 11:29 am
It is not uncommon for HR depts to generate profit by selling services. Whether it is selling external services like Training (Disney) or surplus recruits...
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jobs@...
Jetiduncan
Jan 5, 2005 1:21 pm
Quote: Amazing things are possible... if you don't listen to the whiners that say... it can't be done. HR at big firms has changed dramatically during the...
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vrceriello
Jan 5, 2005 5:39 pm
30 some years ago, before ATMs, and recognizing that we, at the world's biggest bank, were training tellers for other banks, we created a ... Teller Training...
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Gregorio Billikopf En...
bielikov
Jan 6, 2005 12:27 am
If I am an attorney representing a charging party against her employer for a fragrant case of sexual harassment, what incentives do I have to help my client by...
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haya
hapoalim
Jan 6, 2005 5:42 am
Hello Could you help me finding organizations which have o.d departments? Thanks Haya [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]...
