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#197

From: "waukee312" <tfilling@...>
Date: Fri Jun 26, 2009 10:20 pm
Subject: Will United Water (Suez) Raise Rates?

see: http://www.inthesetimes.com/article/discuss/3282/

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#198

From: "waukee312" <tfilling@...>
Date: Fri Jun 26, 2009 10:21 pm
Subject: Water wars

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http://www.inthesetimes.com/issue/26/25/culture1.shtml

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#199

From: "Sura Faraj / SuraForChange.com" <sura@...>
Date: Fri Jun 26, 2009 10:23 pm
Subject: signing your posts

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hey all, if your name isn't on your email can you please sign your
posts? we like to know who we're talking with. :)

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#200

From: jradoszewski@...
Date: Fri Jun 26, 2009 6:55 pm
Subject: Re: [ KPOW!! Keep Public Our Water ] This Tuesday - Potluck Meet and Greet

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Where???

In a message dated 6/26/2009 4:46:55 P.M. Central Daylight Time, uwmblackwell@... writes:

So,

As you are all well aware we have all been working hard this past month. We thought it would be a good idea to take a day to celebrate our extremely successful event at City Hall.

If you can, please bring a dish to share. We will bring a dish as well. It will be a good chance to chat and get to know one other as well as new members of KPOW.

Thanks.

Hope to see you there!

Make your summer sizzle with fast and easy recipes for the grill.

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#201

From: "uwmblackwell" <uwmblackwell@...>
Date: Sat Jun 27, 2009 1:41 am
Subject: Re: This Tuesday - Potluck Meet and Greet - LOCATION

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At the Environmental Consortium where we have been having our meetings thus far.

5-7 p,m.

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#202

From: William Sell <sunrise@...>
Date: Sat Jun 27, 2009 4:18 am
Subject: Re: [ KPOW!! Keep Public Our Water ] This Tuesday - Potluck Meet and Greet

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Um, the where and the when, is....?



At 04:45 PM 6/26/2009, you wrote:
>So,
>
>As you are all well aware we have all been working hard this past
>month. We thought it would be a good idea to take a day to celebrate
>our extremely successful event at City Hall.
>
>If you can, please bring a dish to share. We will bring a dish as
>well. It will be a good chance to chat and get to know one other as
>well as new members of KPOW.
>
>Thanks.
>
>Hope to see you there!
>
>
>
>------------------------------------
>
>Thales dixit: Aquam esse initium rerum. (Thales said that water is
>the beginning of things.)Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
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"Let us put our minds together, and see what life we will make for
our children." ---Tatanka-Iyotanka (Sitting Bull)  --- Hunkpapa Lakota chief

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#203

From: William Sell <sunrise@...>
Date: Sat Jun 27, 2009 4:20 am
Subject: Re: [ KPOW!! Keep Public Our Water ] Re: This Tuesday - Potluck Meet and Greet - LOCATION

lenox_manor

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"We"????? - who is "we" and why not publish meetings on this list serve?
what meetings
any minutes
any decisions?
who are the members?
Bill Sell





At 08:41 PM 6/26/2009, you wrote:
>At the Environmental Consortium where we have been having our
>meetings thus far.
>
>5-7 p,m.
>
>
>
>
>
>------------------------------------
>
>Thales dixit: Aquam esse initium rerum. (Thales said that water is
>the beginning of things.)Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^.
"Let us put our minds together, and see what life we will make for
our children." ---Tatanka-Iyotanka (Sitting Bull)  --- Hunkpapa Lakota chief

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#204

From: "Sura Faraj / SuraForChange.com" <sura@...>
Date: Sat Jun 27, 2009 8:04 pm
Subject: Re: [ KPOW!! Keep Public Our Water ] we need a statement for groups to sign on to

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Bill, you rock. thanks for working on this.

Does someone have the wording on the petition? and here is the statement on the KPOW liststerv: "We are committed to the proposition that water cannot be owned by private interests; that water is a community treasure; that water must be managed by the public community nearest to the water source; that that natural and historic movement of the peoples has been towards water."

About what you have below, might I suggest a few changes and comments (italics):
- ...uniquely positioned on the shore of the only Great Lake wholly within the United States"
- I'm not sure about "members of KPOW" because people might want to sign it w/out defining themselves as members.
- No human being or corporation may own exclusive rights to water.
- I am not sure about this: Fees for distributing water shall be governed by cost not by profit. Personally, I wouldn't mind seeing a sliding scale, where everyone gets a basic amount for low or no cost (i.e. water is a human right) and big users and wasters pay dearly for their use.
- Governments shall not sell, lease, rent or give away infrastructure, rights, or access to water.
- In sharing Lake Michigan water with our neighbors Milwaukee is right to demand regional cooperation on environmental and economic justice issues.

William Sell wrote:

Here is a start of a draft of principles
Let's discuss
Bill Sell

Whereas Milwaukee is located on the confluence of three rivers and is
uniquely positioned on the shore of a Great Lake;
Whereas Milwaukee may become a global center for freshwater;
Whereas every civilization has observed access to water as a human right;
Whereas the City of Milwaukee is being asked to distribute water to
locations governed by the Great Lakes Water Compact;

We, the undersigned, members of Keep Public Our Water, assert the
following principles as essential to protecting our legacy of abundant water:

Access to water is a human right.
No human being may own exclusive rights to water.
Water shall not be sold for profit.
Fees for distributing water shall be governed by cost not by profit.
Governments shall not sell water for profit.
Governments shall not sell, lease, rent or give way infrastructure,
rights, or access to water.
In sharing Lake Michigan water with our neighbors Milwaukee is right
to demand regional cooperation on environmental and economic issues.

At 01:47 PM 6/23/2009, you wrote:
>hi all,
>
>we need a statement, so that we can start getting groups to endorse. we
>talked about this briefly at the meeting. it's something the policy
>group can hammer out, but do people have suggestions for what can be on it?
>
>it could be a statement supporting an affirmation of water as a human
>right, the integrity of great lakes water as an environmental justice
>issue, the cost as an economic justice issue, and an expectation that
>elected officials individually and collectively agree to put a
>moratorium on leasing any component of our water system, including [fill
>in the blank].
>
>other ideas?
>
>--
>Sura Faraj
>www.SuraforChange.com
>sura@suraforchange.com
>414.263.1513
>
>
>
>------------------------------------
>
>Thales dixit: Aquam esse initium rerum. (Thales said that water is
>the beginning of things.)Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^.
"Let us put our minds together, and see what life we will make for
our children." ---Tatanka-Iyotanka (Sitting Bull) --- Hunkpapa Lakota chief

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#205

From: mapattillo2@...
Date: Sat Jun 27, 2009 4:14 pm
Subject: Re: [ KPOW!! Keep Public Our Water ] we need a statement for groups to sig...

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The fourth proposition is categorically different from the first three:

"that that natural and historic movement of the peoples has been towards water."

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#206

From: "Cheryl Nenn" <cheryl_nenn@...>
Date: Sat Jun 27, 2009 9:01 pm
Subject: RE: [ KPOW!! Keep Public Our Water ] veolia and united water?

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Veolia was a former subsidiary of a company called Vivendi, but now is just “Veolia”. United Water is a subsidiary of Suez—a competing French multinational. UW is NOT a subsidiary of Veolia, unless something has changed in the very recent past that I’m not aware of.

Cheryl Nenn

Riverkeeper/Interim Executive Director

Milwaukee Riverkeeper

1845 N. Farwell Ave. Suite 100

Milwaukee, WI 53202

(414) 287-0207 ext. 229 (note new extension)

(414) 273-7293 (fax)

www.milwaukeeriverkeeper.org

Formerly Friends of Milwaukee’s Rivers

From: KPOW@yahoogroups.com [mailto:KPOW@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Sura Faraj / SuraForChange.com
Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 4:24 PM
To: KPOW@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ KPOW!! Keep Public Our Water ] veolia and united water?

re privatization of mmsd. is this correct:
united water was outbid by veolia who now has the contract. united water
is a subsidiary of suez.
and yet united water is also a subsidiary of veolia?
what?

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#207

From: "Sura Faraj / SuraForChange.com" <sura@...>
Date: Sat Jun 27, 2009 10:32 pm
Subject: Re: [ KPOW!! Keep Public Our Water ] we need a statement for groups to sig...

progressiver...

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how so?
again, can you sign your post?

mapattillo2@... wrote:

The fourth proposition is categorically different from the first three:

"that that natural and historic movement of the peoples has been towards water."

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#208

From: "Sura Faraj / SuraForChange.com" <sura@...>
Date: Sat Jun 27, 2009 10:56 pm
Subject: Re: [ KPOW!! Keep Public Our Water ] veolia and united water?

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ok. Are there 2 "United Water" corporations? One in Australia and another based or serving the U.S.?

http://www.veoliawater.com.au/en/veoliawater/uwi/
United Water is a wholly owned subsidiary of Veolia Water Australia, and provides comprehensive water and wastewater services to almost 1.5 million people.

http://www.uwi.com.au/index.php?PID=40
United Water is a wholly-owned subsidiary of Veolia Water, the world’s largest water company. Veolia Water has 82,000 employees worldwide, serving 131 million people in 60 countries.

United Water now also owns the largest water tank maintenance (also sales and leasing) corporation in the world:
http://www.unitedwater.com/news-center.aspx
United Waters parent company, SUEZ ENVIRONNEMENT North America, announced today that it has completed the acquisition of Utility Service Company of Perry, GA, the nations leading water tank maintenance service company, for $220 million.

Cheryl Nenn wrote:

Veolia was a former subsidiary of a company called Vivendi, but now is just “Veolia”. United Water is a subsidiary of Suez—a competing French multinational. UW is NOT a subsidiary of Veolia, unless something has changed in the very recent past that I’m not aware of.

Cheryl Nenn

Riverkeeper/Interim Executive Director

Milwaukee Riverkeeper

1845 N. Farwell Ave. Suite 100

Milwaukee, WI 53202

(414) 287-0207 ext. 229 (note new extension)

(414) 273-7293 (fax)

www.milwaukeeriverkeeper.org

Formerly Friends of Milwaukee’s Rivers

From: KPOW@yahoogroups.com [mailto:KPOW@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Sura Faraj / SuraForChange.com
Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 4:24 PM
To: KPOW@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ KPOW!! Keep Public Our Water ] veolia and united water?

re privatization of mmsd. is this correct:
united water was outbid by veolia who now has the contract. united water
is a subsidiary of suez.
and yet united water is also a subsidiary of veolia?
what?

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#209

From: mapattillo2@...
Date: Sat Jun 27, 2009 6:56 pm
Subject: Re: [ KPOW!! Keep Public Our Water ] we need a statement for groups to sig...

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That "the historic movement of people has been toward water" is a statement that can be supported by documentation that has nothing to do with a preference for the way one thinks the world should be. (Yes, I deliberately left "natural" out of the statement.) The others are part of a world view.

The other propositions express a position that depends on

In a message dated 6/27/2009 5:34:04 P.M. Central Daylight Time, sura@... writes:

how so?
again, can you sign your post?

mapattillo2@aol.com wrote:

The fourth proposition is categorically different from the first three:

"that that natural and historic movement of the peoples has been towards water."

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#210

From: Jeff Gehlhoff <jgehlhoff@...>
Date: Sat Jun 27, 2009 11:08 pm
Subject: Re: [ KPOW!! Keep Public Our Water ] we need a statement for groups to sig...

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mapatillo, i think that statement would go toward supporting the point that water is the most fundamental element of life, which gives rise to the reason many (including myself) hold the worldview that it shouldn't be owned by any corporation, etc. it's an argument builder.

-jeff

On Jun 27, 2009, at 5:56 PM, mapattillo2@... wrote:

That "the historic movement of people has been toward water" is a statement that can be supported by documentation that has nothing to do with a preference for the way one thinks the world should be. (Yes, I deliberately left "natural" out of the statement.) The others are part of a world view.

The other propositions express a position that depends on

In a message dated 6/27/2009 5:34:04 P.M. Central Daylight Time, sura@suraforchange.com writes:

how so?
again, can you sign your post?

mapattillo2@aol.com wrote:

The fourth proposition is categorically different from the first three:

"that that natural and historic movement of the peoples has been towards water."

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#211

From: William Sell <sunrise@...>
Date: Sun Jun 28, 2009 3:38 pm
Subject: Re: [ KPOW!! Keep Public Our Water ] we need a statement for groups to sig...

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Instinctively I find fault with most any sentence that include the phrase "has nothing to do with..." Proximity to water has something to do with a sustainable world view that includes water resources - at least something. And we are talking about a world view here, or .... maybe not?

Land near water is more valuable than land far from water.

I am dying of thirst - I like to discuss things with people who have names. Any chance you can come out?

Bill Sell
southsider

At 05:56 PM 6/27/2009, mapattillo2@... wrote:

That "the historic movement of people has been toward water" is a statement that can be supported by documentation that has nothing to do with a preference for the way one thinks the world should be. (Yes, I deliberately left "natural" out of the statement.) The others are part of a world view.

The other propositions express a position that depends on
In a message dated 6/27/2009 5:34:04 P.M. Central Daylight Time, sura@... writes:
how so?
again, can you sign your post?

mapattillo2@... wrote:

The fourth proposition is categorically different from the first three:

"that that natural and historic movement of the peoples has been towards water."

An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps!
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#212

From: "Sura Faraj / SuraForChange.com" <sura@...>
Date: Fri Jun 26, 2009 10:43 pm
Subject: NAWC board, websites, members

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my last post of the day, in case anyone's interested.
it would be interesting to know how many of the member orgs are milwaukee area. i only recognize badger meter (rich meeusen is CEO).

National Association of Water Companies Board of Directors
http://www.nawc.org/about/board-directors.html

President
Mr. Donald L. Correll
American Water

Members
Mr. Nicholas DeBenedictis
Aqua America, Inc.
Mr. Dennis W. Doll
Middlesex Water Company
Mr. Charles V. Firlotte
Aquarion Water Company
Mr. Sherlock S. Gillet, Jr.
Peoples Water Service Company
Mr. Robert J. Iacullo
United Water
Mr. Palle Jensen
San Jose Water Company
Mr. Patrick J. Kerr
Baton Rouge Water Company
Mr. Marty Kropelnicki
California Water Service Group
Mr. Walter Lynch
American Water
Mr. Donald Morrissey
Aquarion Water Company
Mr. Lawrence Schumacher
Utilities Inc.
Mr. Robert J. Sprowls
Golden State Water Company
Ms. Susan Suhanovsky
Torrington Water Company
Mr. Mark A. Swatek
Southwest Water Company (SWWC)
Ms. Dian C. Taylor
Artesian Resources Corporation
Ms. Nicholle Taylor
Artesian Water Company
Mr. Eric W. Thornburg
The Connecticut Water Company
Mr. Michael P. Walsh
Shorelands Water Company, Inc.
Mr. Michael L. Whitehead
San Gabriel Valley Water Co.
Ms. Ellen C. Wolf
American Water

NAWC Member Websites

NAWC Associate Members

http://www.nawc.org/resources/documents/pdf/NAWC_Associate_Members.pdf

3Stone Advisors LLC www.3stoneadvisors.com
Accenture www.accenture.com
Advantica Corporation www.advanticagroup.com
AECOM Water www.aecom.com
Agua Via Ltd www.aguavia.com
Alcott Associates
Altrx, Inc. www.altrxinc.com
Aon Consulting, Inc. www.aon.com
AUS Consultants www.ausinc.com
Badger Meter, Inc. www.badgermeter.com
Baker, Donelson, Bearman, Caldwell & Berkowitz, PC www.bakerdonelson.com
Barnes & Thornburg www.btlaw.com
Barnstable Water Company
BDO Seidman, LLP www.bdo.com
Bingham McHale LLP www.binghammchale.com
Black & Veatch www.bv.com
BMC www.bmc-llp.com
Boenning & Scattergood, Inc. www.boenninginc.com
Bricker & Eckler, LLP www.bricker.com
Brownstein Hyatt Farber Schreck www.bhfs.com
Brydon, Swearengen & England P.C. www.brydonlaw.com
Buchanan, Ingersoll & Rooney www.bipc.com
Buchart-Horn, Inc. www.bh-ba.com
Buck, Seifert & Jost, Inc. www.bsjinc.com
Burgess & Niple, Inc. www.burnip.com
C.I.M. Eastern, Inc. www.cim-eastern.com
Caddick Construction Company, Inc.
Caldwell Tanks, Inc. www.caldwelltanks.com
Camp Dresser & McKee, Inc. www.cdm.com
Camp, Dresser & McKee, Inc. www.cdm.com
CDM www.cdm.com
Chemonics International www.chemonics.com
Chlorinators Incorporated www.regalchlorinators.com
CoBank www.cobank.com
Competetive Advantage Consulting LTD www.competetiveadvantage.us
Coyne Chemical Environmental Services www.coynechemical.com
Cozen O’Connor www.cozen.com
CRA International www.crai.com
Crawford, Murphy & Tilly, Inc. www.cmtengr.com
Day, Berry & Howard LLP www.daypitney.com
Deloitte & Touche www.deloitte.com
Doosan Hydro Technology www.doosanhydro.com
Ductile Iron Pipe Research Association www.dipra.org
Dvirka & Bartilucci www.db-eng.com
E. Wotring Associates, Inc.
Edward Jones www.edwardjones.com
Ellsworth Consulting Services
EMA, Inc. www.ema-inc.com
Environmental Management Corporation www.emcstl.com
EPCOR Water Services Inc. www.epcor.ca
F.B. Leopold Company www.fbleopold.com
Flaster/Greenberg P.C. www.flastergreenberg.com
Floyd Browne Associates, Inc. www.floydbrowne.com
Ford Meter Box Co., Inc.(The) www.fordmeterbox.com
Ford Meter Box Company, Inc. www.fordmeterbox.com
Gannett Fleming, Inc. www.gfnet.com
GB Consulting Services
GDS Associates, Inc. www.gdsassociates.com
Global Tax Management, Inc. www.globaltaxmgmt.com
Greater Ouachita Water Company
Groupcast Messaging Systems, Inc. www.groupcast.com
Guastella Associates, Inc. www.guastella.com
Hartman Consulting & Design www.consulthartman.com
Hase-Schannen Research Associates www.hsra.com
Hatch Mott MacDonald www.hatchmott.com
Henry Pratt Company www.henrypratt.com
Home Service USA Corp. www.hsusacorp.com
Huron Consulting Group www.huronconsultinggroup.com
ISG Communications www.isgcomm.com
Itron www.itron.com
Janney Montgomery Scott LLC www.jmsonline.com
Jesup & Lamont www.jesuplamont.com
Jones Day www.jonesday.com
Kennedy & Madonna, LLP www.kennedymadonna.com
Layne Christensen Company www.laynechristensen.com
Louisville Water Company www.lwcky.com
M.E. Simpson Company, Inc. www.mesimpson.com
Manatt, Phelps & Phillips www.manatt.com
Matsuno, Fukuya & Co., CPA’s AAC www.matsunofukuya.com
MCC Control Systems www.mccwater.com
McLane Law Firm www.mclane.com
McNees, Wallace & Nurick LLC www.mwn.com
Morgan, Lewis & Bockius LLP www.morganlewis.com
Mueller Company www.muellercompany.com
Murtha Cullina LLP www.murthalaw.com
Natgun Corporation www.natgun.com
Neptune Technology Group www.neptunetg.com
Niagara Conservation Corporation www.niagaraconservation.com
Nossaman, Gunther, Knox & Elliott, LLP www.nossaman.com
Online Resources Corporation www.orcc.com
P. Moul & Associates
PA Government Services www.paconsulting.com
Ranney Collector Wells www.collectorwellsint.com
Robinson & Cole www.rc.com
RoDon Corporation www.rodoncorp.com
Saje Consulting Group, Inc.
Salmon Ventures Limited www.salmonventures.com
Saul Ewing LLP www.saul.com
Scully Capital Services www.scullycapital.com
SEA Consultants www.seacon.com
SEMS Technologies, Inc. www.semstechnologies.com
Sensus Metering Systems Inc. www.sensus.com
Sher Leff, LLP www.sherleff.com
Sovereign Securities Corporation www.sovereignbank.com
Stanford Group www.stanfordfinancial.com
Steefel, Levitt & Weiss www.manatt.com
Stephen Johnson
Summit Financial Corporation www.summitfinancialcorp.com
Superior Water Company www.superiorwaterco.com
Tank Industry Consultants, Inc. www.tankindustry.com
Tata & Howard, Inc. www.tataandhoward.com
Terrapin Partners, LLC www.terrapinpartners.com
The Grundy Agency www.grundy.com
Thomas, Thomas, Armstrong & Niesen www.thomaslonglaw.com
Truckee Meadows Water Authority www.tmwa.net
Twenty First Century Communications www.tfcci.com
U.S. Pipe & Foundry Company www.uspipe.com
Uni-Bell PVC Pipe Association www.uni-bell.org
Utility Business Services, Inc. www.ubs-inc.com
Utility Service Company, Inc. www.utilityservice.com
Veolia Water North America-West, LLC www.veoliawaterna.com
W.L. Hailey and Company, Inc. www.wlhailey.com
Wachovia Securities Energy and Power Corporate Finance www.wachovia.com
Waller Lansden Dortch & Davis, LLP www.wallerlaw.com
Water Asset Management www.waterinv.com
Westridge Utilities, Inc. www.westridgeutilities.com
White Water, Inc. www.rhwhite.com
Work & Greer, P.C. www.workgreer.com
XPV Capital Corporation www.xpvcapital.com
Underground Solutions, Inc. www.undergroundsolutions.com
REBCON International www.rebconintl.com

-- Sura Faraj
www.SuraforChange.com
sura@...
414.263.1513
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#213

From: mapattillo2@...
Date: Sun Jun 28, 2009 12:06 pm
Subject: Re: [ KPOW!! Keep Public Our Water ] we need a statement for groups to sig...

mapa7035

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Not in hiding - just not in the habit of signing e-mails.

Marva Pattillo

In a message dated 6/28/2009 10:39:35 A.M. Central Daylight Time, sunrise@... writes:

Instinctively I find fault with most any sentence that include the phrase "has nothing to do with..." Proximity to water has something to do with a sustainable world view that includes water resources - at least something. And we are talking about a world view here, or .... maybe not?

Land near water is more valuable than land far from water.

I am dying of thirst - I like to discuss things with people who have names. Any chance you can come out?

Bill Sell
southsider

At 05:56 PM 6/27/2009, mapattillo2@aol.com wrote:

That "the historic movement of people has been toward water" is a statement that can be supported by documentation that has nothing to do with a preference for the way one thinks the world should be. (Yes, I deliberately left "natural" out of the statement.) The others are part of a world view.

The other propositions express a position that depends on
In a message dated 6/27/2009 5:34:04 P.M. Central Daylight Time, sura@suraforchange.com writes:

how so?
again, can you sign your post?

mapattillo2@aol.com wrote:

The fourth proposition is categorically different from the first three:

"that that natural and historic movement of the peoples has been towards water."

An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps!

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Sura Faraj
www.SuraforChange.com
sura@suraforchange.com
414.263.1513
Get involved:
* MkeXchange: Local currency, mutual credit
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* opt OUT: Secular, Christian, Muslim and Jewish individuals who reject Zionist racism.
* Art in the Alleys, continued? - Shout out if you want your garage painted - I'll try to hook you up with an artist.
* Transition Milwaukee: Powering down, shifting our minds, recognizing opportunity in a peak oil world.

An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps!

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^.
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#214

From: William Sell <sunrise@...>
Date: Sun Jun 28, 2009 4:06 pm
Subject: [ KPOW!! Keep Public Our Water ] NAWC board, websites, members

lenox_manor

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I'm reposting Sura's list here. It arrived at KPOW via the Spam Filter at Yahoo. And it may, possibly appear in your inbox as OLD, and you may have missed it.

Bill Sell

From Sura

my last post of the day, in case anyone's interested.
it would be interesting to know how many of the member orgs are milwaukee area. i only recognize badger meter (rich meeusen is CEO).

National Association of Water Companies Board of Directors
http://www.nawc.org/about/board-directors.html

President
Mr. Donald L. Correll
American Water

Members
Mr. Nicholas DeBenedictis
Aqua America, Inc.
Mr. Dennis W. Doll
Middlesex Water Company
Mr. Charles V. Firlotte
Aquarion Water Company
Mr. Sherlock S. Gillet, Jr.
Peoples Water Service Company
Mr. Robert J. Iacullo
United Water
Mr. Palle Jensen
San Jose Water Company
Mr. Patrick J. Kerr
Baton Rouge Water Company
Mr. Marty Kropelnicki
California Water Service Group
Mr. Walter Lynch
American Water
Mr. Donald Morrissey
Aquarion Water Company
Mr. Lawrence Schumacher
Utilities Inc.
Mr. Robert J. Sprowls
Golden State Water Company
Ms. Susan Suhanovsky
Torrington Water Company
Mr. Mark A. Swatek
Southwest Water Company (SWWC)
Ms. Dian C. Taylor
Artesian Resources Corporation
Ms. Nicholle Taylor
Artesian Water Company
Mr. Eric W. Thornburg
The Connecticut Water Company
Mr. Michael P. Walsh
Shorelands Water Company, Inc.
Mr. Michael L. Whitehead
San Gabriel Valley Water Co.
Ms. Ellen C. Wolf
American Water

NAWC Member Websites

NAWC Associate Members

http://www.nawc.org/resources/documents/pdf/NAWC_Associate_Members.pdf

3Stone Advisors LLC www.3stoneadvisors.com
Accenture www.accenture.com
Advantica Corporation www.advanticagroup.com
AECOM Water www.aecom.com
Agua Via Ltd www.aguavia.com
Alcott Associates
Altrx, Inc. www.altrxinc.com
Aon Consulting, Inc. www.aon.com
AUS Consultants www.ausinc.com
Badger Meter, Inc. www.badgermeter.com
Baker, Donelson, Bearman, Caldwell & Berkowitz, PC www.bakerdonelson.com
Barnes & Thornburg www.btlaw.com
Barnstable Water Company
BDO Seidman, LLP www.bdo.com
Bingham McHale LLP www.binghammchale.com
Black & Veatch www.bv.com
BMC www.bmc-llp.com
Boenning & Scattergood, Inc. www.boenninginc.com
Bricker & Eckler, LLP www.bricker.com
Brownstein Hyatt Farber Schreck www.bhfs.com
Brydon, Swearengen & England P.C. www.brydonlaw.com
Buchanan, Ingersoll & Rooney www.bipc.com
Buchart-Horn, Inc. www.bh-ba.com
Buck, Seifert & Jost, Inc. www.bsjinc.com
Burgess & Niple, Inc. www.burnip.com
C.I.M. Eastern, Inc. www.cim-eastern.com
Caddick Construction Company, Inc.
Caldwell Tanks, Inc. www.caldwelltanks.com
Camp Dresser & McKee, Inc. www.cdm.com
Camp, Dresser & McKee, Inc. www.cdm.com
CDM www.cdm.com
Chemonics International www.chemonics.com
Chlorinators Incorporated www.regalchlorinators.com
CoBank www.cobank.com
Competetive Advantage Consulting LTD www.competetiveadvantage.us
Coyne Chemical Environmental Services www.coynechemical.com
Cozen O�Connor www.cozen.com
CRA International www.crai.com
Crawford, Murphy & Tilly, Inc. www.cmtengr.com
Day, Berry & Howard LLP www.daypitney.com
Deloitte & Touche www.deloitte.com
Doosan Hydro Technology www.doosanhydro.com
Ductile Iron Pipe Research Association www.dipra.org
Dvirka & Bartilucci www.db-eng.com
E. Wotring Associates, Inc.
Edward Jones www.edwardjones.com
Ellsworth Consulting Services
EMA, Inc. www.ema-inc.com
Environmental Management Corporation www.emcstl.com
EPCOR Water Services Inc. www.epcor.ca
F.B. Leopold Company www.fbleopold.com
Flaster/Greenberg P.C. www.flastergreenberg.com
Floyd Browne Associates, Inc. www.floydbrowne.com
Ford Meter Box Co., Inc.(The) www.fordmeterbox.com
Ford Meter Box Company, Inc. www.fordmeterbox.com
Gannett Fleming, Inc. www.gfnet.com
GB Consulting Services
GDS Associates, Inc. www.gdsassociates.com
Global Tax Management, Inc. www.globaltaxmgmt.com
Greater Ouachita Water Company
Groupcast Messaging Systems, Inc. www.groupcast.com
Guastella Associates, Inc. www.guastella.com
Hartman Consulting & Design www.consulthartman.com
Hase-Schannen Research Associates www.hsra.com
Hatch Mott MacDonald www.hatchmott.com
Henry Pratt Company www.henrypratt.com
Home Service USA Corp. www.hsusacorp.com
Huron Consulting Group www.huronconsultinggroup.com
ISG Communications www.isgcomm.com
Itron www.itron.com
Janney Montgomery Scott LLC www.jmsonline.com
Jesup & Lamont www.jesuplamont.com
Jones Day www.jonesday.com
Kennedy & Madonna, LLP www.kennedymadonna.com
Layne Christensen Company www.laynechristensen.com
Louisville Water Company www.lwcky.com
M.E. Simpson Company, Inc. www.mesimpson.com
Manatt, Phelps & Phillips www.manatt.com
Matsuno, Fukuya & Co., CPA�s AAC www.matsunofukuya.com
MCC Control Systems www.mccwater.com
McLane Law Firm www.mclane.com
McNees, Wallace & Nurick LLC www.mwn.com
Morgan, Lewis & Bockius LLP www.morganlewis.com
Mueller Company www.muellercompany.com
Murtha Cullina LLP www.murthalaw.com
Natgun Corporation www.natgun.com
Neptune Technology Group www.neptunetg.com
Niagara Conservation Corporation www.niagaraconservation.com
Nossaman, Gunther, Knox & Elliott, LLP www.nossaman.com
Online Resources Corporation www.orcc.com
P. Moul & Associates
PA Government Services www.paconsulting.com
Ranney Collector Wells www.collectorwellsint.com
Robinson & Cole www.rc.com
RoDon Corporation www.rodoncorp.com
Saje Consulting Group, Inc.
Salmon Ventures Limited www.salmonventures.com
Saul Ewing LLP www.saul.com
Scully Capital Services www.scullycapital.com
SEA Consultants www.seacon.com
SEMS Technologies, Inc. www.semstechnologies.com
Sensus Metering Systems Inc. www.sensus.com
Sher Leff, LLP www.sherleff.com
Sovereign Securities Corporation www.sovereignbank.com
Stanford Group www.stanfordfinancial.com
Steefel, Levitt & Weiss www.manatt.com
Stephen Johnson
Summit Financial Corporation www.summitfinancialcorp.com
Superior Water Company www.superiorwaterco.com
Tank Industry Consultants, Inc. www.tankindustry.com
Tata & Howard, Inc. www.tataandhoward.com
Terrapin Partners, LLC www.terrapinpartners.com
The Grundy Agency www.grundy.com
Thomas, Thomas, Armstrong & Niesen www.thomaslonglaw.com
Truckee Meadows Water Authority www.tmwa.net
Twenty First Century Communications www.tfcci.com
U.S. Pipe & Foundry Company www.uspipe.com
Uni-Bell PVC Pipe Association www.uni-bell.org
Utility Business Services, Inc. www.ubs-inc.com
Utility Service Company, Inc. www.utilityservice.com
Veolia Water North America-West, LLC www.veoliawaterna.com
W.L. Hailey and Company, Inc. www.wlhailey.com
Wachovia Securities Energy and Power Corporate Finance www.wachovia.com
Waller Lansden Dortch & Davis, LLP www.wallerlaw.com
Water Asset Management www.waterinv.com
Westridge Utilities, Inc. www.westridgeutilities.com
White Water, Inc. www.rhwhite.com
Work & Greer, P.C. www.workgreer.com
XPV Capital Corporation www.xpvcapital.com
Underground Solutions, Inc. www.undergroundsolutions.com
REBCON International www.rebconintl.com

-- 
Sura Faraj
www.SuraforChange.com
sura@...
414.263.1513

Get involved:
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* Art in the Alleys, continued? - Shout out if you want your garage
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#215

From: William Sell <sunrise@...>
Date: Sun Jun 28, 2009 4:13 pm
Subject: Re: [ KPOW!! Keep Public Our Water ] we need a statement for groups to sig...

lenox_manor

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Yeah, thanks, Marva. I don't blame you for the instinct to be careful. I am finding it weird, here, discussing water with anonymous posters at least one of whom has now acknowledged meetings without inviting the rest of us to join.

Bill

At 11:06 AM 6/28/2009, you wrote:

Not in hiding - just not in the habit of signing e-mails.

Marva Pattillo

In a message dated 6/28/2009 10:39:35 A.M. Central Daylight Time, sunrise@... writes:
Instinctively I find fault with most any sentence that include the phrase "has nothing to do with..." Proximity to water has something to do with a sustainable world view that includes water resources - at least something. And we are talking about a world view here, or .... maybe not?

Land near water is more valuable than land far from water.

I am dying of thirst - I like to discuss things with people who have names. Any chance you can come out?

Bill Sell
southsider
At 05:56 PM 6/27/2009, mapattillo2@... wrote:
That "the historic movement of people has been toward water" is a statement that can be supported by documentation that has nothing to do with a preference for the way one thinks the world should be. (Yes, I deliberately left "natural" out of the statement.) The others are part of a world view.

The other propositions express a position that depends on
In a message dated 6/27/2009 5:34:04 P.M. Central Daylight Time, sura@... writes:
how so?
again, can you sign your post?

mapattillo2@... wrote:

The fourth proposition is categorically different from the first three:
"that that natural and historic movement of the peoples has been towards water."

An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps!
-- 





Sura Faraj





www.SuraforChange.com





sura@...





414.263.1513






Get involved:





* MkeXchange: Local currency, mutual credit





* K-POW! Keep Public Our Waters:


http://kepow.wordpress.com/





* opt OUT: Secular, Christian, Muslim and Jewish individuals who


reject Zionist racism. 





* Art in the Alleys, continued? - Shout out if you want your garage


painted - I'll try to hook you up with an artist. 





* Transition Milwaukee: Powering down, shifting our minds,


recognizing opportunity in a peak oil world.
An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps!
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^.
"Let us put our minds together, and see what life we will make for our children." ---Tatanka-Iyotanka (Sitting Bull) --- Hunkpapa Lakota chief
An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps!

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#216

From: Jeffrey Gehlhoff <jgehlhoff@...>
Date: Mon Jun 29, 2009 2:00 am
Subject: Re: [ KPOW!! Keep Public Our Water ] we need a statement for groups to sig...

jgehlhoff

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Bill, I agree there's been poor (or lack of) communication from those organizing KPOW to those who want to get involved here, but in their defense on the meetings, Cheryl Nenn has been posting meeting notices on here.� Check out the message archives from June 2 and June 18 (and I think there were a couple others as well).

-Jeff

On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 11:13 AM, William Sell <sunrise@...> wrote:

Yeah, thanks, Marva.� I don't blame you for the instinct to be careful. I am finding it weird, here, discussing water with anonymous posters at least one of whom has now acknowledged meetings without inviting the rest of us to join.

Bill
At 11:06 AM 6/28/2009, you wrote:
Not in hiding - just not in the habit of signing e-mails.
�
�Marva Pattillo
�
In a message dated 6/28/2009 10:39:35 A.M. Central Daylight Time, sunrise@... writes:
Instinctively I find fault with most any sentence that include the phrase "has nothing to do with..." Proximity to water has something to do with a sustainable world view that includes water resources - at least something.� And we are talking about a world view here, or .... maybe not?

Land near water is more valuable than land far from water.

I am dying of thirst - I like to discuss things with people who have names. Any chance you can come out?

Bill Sell
southsider
At 05:56 PM 6/27/2009, mapattillo2@... wrote:
That "the historic movement of people has been toward water" is a statement that can be supported by documentation that has nothing to do with a preference for the way one thinks the world should be.� (Yes, I� deliberately left "natural" out of the statement.)�� The others are part of a world view.
�
The other propositions express a position that depends on
In a message dated 6/27/2009 5:34:04 P.M. Central Daylight Time, sura@... writes:
how so?
again, can you sign your post?

mapattillo2@... wrote:

The fourth proposition is categorically different from the first three:
"that that natural and historic movement of the peoples has been towards water."

An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps!
-- 





Sura Faraj





www.SuraforChange.com





sura@...





414.263.1513






Get involved:





* MkeXchange: Local currency, mutual credit





* K-POW! Keep Public Our Waters:


http://kepow.wordpress.com/





* opt OUT: Secular, Christian, Muslim and Jewish individuals who


reject Zionist racism. 





* Art in the Alleys, continued? - Shout out if you want your garage


painted - I'll try to hook you up with an artist. 





* Transition Milwaukee: Powering down, shifting our minds,


recognizing opportunity in a peak oil world.
An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps!
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^.
"Let us put our minds together, and see what life we will make for our children." ---Tatanka-Iyotanka (Sitting Bull) --- Hunkpapa Lakota chief
An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps!
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^.
"Let us put our minds together, and see what life we will make for our children." ---Tatanka-Iyotanka (Sitting Bull) --- Hunkpapa Lakota chief

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#217

From: "Jane Weida" <jdavisweida@...>
Date: Mon Jun 29, 2009 2:20 am
Subject: Re: [Norton AntiSpam] [ KPOW!! Keep Public Our Water ] Re: [ KPOW!! Keep Public Our Water ] we need a statement for groups to sig...

jdavisweida@...

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Thanks. I have also been out of the loop (so maybe have others). My email should suffice as a "signature'.

----- Original Message -----

From: Jeffrey Gehlhoff

To: KPOW@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2009 9:00 PM

Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] [ KPOW!! Keep Public Our Water ] Re: [ KPOW!! Keep Public Our Water ] we need a statement for groups to sig...
Bill, I agree there's been poor (or lack of) communication from those organizing KPOW to those who want to get involved here, but in their defense on the meetings, Cheryl Nenn has been posting meeting notices on here. Check out the message archives from June 2 and June 18 (and I think there were a couple others as well).

-Jeff
On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 11:13 AM, William Sell <sunrise@bikethehoan.com> wrote:
Yeah, thanks, Marva. I don't blame you for the instinct to be careful. I am finding it weird, here, discussing water with anonymous posters at least one of whom has now acknowledged meetings without inviting the rest of us to join.

Bill
At 11:06 AM 6/28/2009, you wrote:
Not in hiding - just not in the habit of signing e-mails.

Marva Pattillo

In a message dated 6/28/2009 10:39:35 A.M. Central Daylight Time, sunrise@bikethehoan.com writes:
Instinctively I find fault with most any sentence that include the phrase "has nothing to do with..." Proximity to water has something to do with a sustainable world view that includes water resources - at least something. And we are talking about a world view here, or .... maybe not?

Land near water is more valuable than land far from water.

I am dying of thirst - I like to discuss things with people who have names. Any chance you can come out?

Bill Sell
southsider
At 05:56 PM 6/27/2009, mapattillo2@aol.com wrote:
That "the historic movement of people has been toward water" is a statement that can be supported by documentation that has nothing to do with a preference for the way one thinks the world should be. (Yes, I deliberately left "natural" out of the statement.) The others are part of a world view.

The other propositions express a position that depends on
In a message dated 6/27/2009 5:34:04 P.M. Central Daylight Time, sura@suraforchange.com writes:
how so?
again, can you sign your post?

mapattillo2@aol.com wrote:

The fourth proposition is categorically different from the first three:
"that that natural and historic movement of the peoples has been towards water."

An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps!
-- Sura Faraj
www.SuraforChange.com
sura@suraforchange.com
414.263.1513
Get involved:
* MkeXchange: Local currency, mutual credit
* K-POW! Keep Public Our Waters:
http://kepow.wordpress.com/
* opt OUT: Secular, Christian, Muslim and Jewish individuals who
reject Zionist racism. 
* Art in the Alleys, continued? - Shout out if you want your garage
painted - I'll try to hook you up with an artist. 
* Transition Milwaukee: Powering down, shifting our minds,
recognizing opportunity in a peak oil world.
An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps!
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^.
"Let us put our minds together, and see what life we will make for our children." ---Tatanka-Iyotanka (Sitting Bull) --- Hunkpapa Lakota chief
An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps!
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^.
"Let us put our minds together, and see what life we will make for our children." ---Tatanka-Iyotanka (Sitting Bull) --- Hunkpapa Lakota chief

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#218

From: William Sell <sunrise@...>
Date: Mon Jun 29, 2009 3:59 am
Subject: Re: [ KPOW!! Keep Public Our Water ] Re: [ KPOW!! Keep Public Our Water ] we need a statement for groups to sig...

lenox_manor

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Thanks, I needed someone to point me. I had asked these questions earlier and no one answered, so I figured Cheryl's was forming yet another group, and I wanted to know about both. All part of getting organized, I guess.

sigh
Bill

At 09:00 PM 6/28/2009, you wrote:

Bill, I agree there's been poor (or lack of) communication from those organizing KPOW to those who want to get involved here, but in their defense on the meetings, Cheryl Nenn has been posting meeting notices on here. Check out the message archives from June 2 and June 18 (and I think there were a couple others as well).

-Jeff

On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 11:13 AM, William Sell <sunrise@... > wrote:
Yeah, thanks, Marva. I don't blame you for the instinct to be careful. I am finding it weird, here, discussing water with anonymous posters at least one of whom has now acknowledged meetings without inviting the rest of us to join.

Bill
At 11:06 AM 6/28/2009, you wrote:
Not in hiding - just not in the habit of signing e-mails.

Marva Pattillo
In a message dated 6/28/2009 10:39:35 A.M. Central Daylight Time, sunrise@... writes:
Instinctively I find fault with most any sentence that include the phrase "has nothing to do with..." Proximity to water has something to do with a sustainable world view that includes water resources - at least something. And we are talking about a world view here, or .... maybe not?
Land near water is more valuable than land far from water.
I am dying of thirst - I like to discuss things with people who have names. Any chance you can come out?

Bill Sell
southsider
At 05:56 PM 6/27/2009, mapattillo2@... wrote:
That "the historic movement of people has been toward water" is a statement that can be supported by documentation that has nothing to do with a preference for the way one thinks the world should be. (Yes, I deliberately left "natural" out of the statement.) The others are part of a world view.

The other propositions express a position that depends on
In a message dated 6/27/2009 5:34:04 P.M. Central Daylight Time, sura@... writes:
how so?
again, can you sign your post?

mapattillo2@... wrote:

The fourth proposition is categorically different from the first three:
"that that natural and historic movement of the peoples has been towards water."

An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps!
-- 






Sura Faraj






www.SuraforChange.com






sura@...






414.263.1513







Get involved:






* MkeXchange: Local currency, mutual credit






* K-POW! Keep Public Our Waters:



http://kepow.wordpress.com/






* opt OUT: Secular, Christian, Muslim and Jewish individuals who



reject Zionist racism. 






* Art in the Alleys, continued? - Shout out if you want your garage



painted - I'll try to hook you up with an artist. 






* Transition Milwaukee: Powering down, shifting our minds,



recognizing opportunity in a peak oil world.
An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps!
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^.
"Let us put our minds together, and see what life we will make for our children." ---Tatanka-Iyotanka (Sitting Bull) --- Hunkpapa Lakota chief
An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps!
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^.

"Let us put our minds together, and see what life we will make for our children." ---Tatanka-Iyotanka (Sitting Bull) --- Hunkpapa Lakota chief

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#219

From: William Sell <sunrise@...>
Date: Mon Jun 29, 2009 4:00 am
Subject: Re: [Norton AntiSpam] [ KPOW!! Keep Public Our Water ] Re: [ KPOW!! Keep Public Our Water ] we need a statement for groups to sig...

lenox_manor

Send Email

I set up KPOW at yahoogroups to be open to the public, open to anonymous members.

Do we still want it that way?

Bill

At 09:20 PM 6/28/2009, Jane Weida wrote:

Thanks. I have also been out of the loop (so maybe have others). My email should suffice as a "signature'.
----- Original Message -----

From: Jeffrey Gehlhoff

To: KPOW@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2009 9:00 PM

Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] [ KPOW!! Keep Public Our Water ] Re: [ KPOW!! Keep Public Our Water ] we need a statement for groups to sig...

Bill, I agree there's been poor (or lack of) communication from those organizing KPOW to those who want to get involved here, but in their defense on the meetings, Cheryl Nenn has been posting meeting notices on here. Check out the message archives from June 2 and June 18 (and I think there were a couple others as well).

-Jeff
On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 11:13 AM, William Sell <sunrise@... > wrote:
Yeah, thanks, Marva. I don't blame you for the instinct to be careful. I am finding it weird, here, discussing water with anonymous posters at least one of whom has now acknowledged meetings without inviting the rest of us to join.

Bill
At 11:06 AM 6/28/2009, you wrote:
Not in hiding - just not in the habit of signing e-mails.

Marva Pattillo
In a message dated 6/28/2009 10:39:35 A.M. Central Daylight Time, sunrise@... writes:
Instinctively I find fault with most any sentence that include the phrase "has nothing to do with..." Proximity to water has something to do with a sustainable world view that includes water resources - at least something. And we are talking about a world view here, or .... maybe not?
Land near water is more valuable than land far from water.
I am dying of thirst - I like to discuss things with people who have names. Any chance you can come out?

Bill Sell
southsider
At 05:56 PM 6/27/2009, mapattillo2@... wrote:
That "the historic movement of people has been toward water" is a statement that can be supported by documentation that has nothing to do with a preference for the way one thinks the world should be. (Yes, I deliberately left "natural" out of the statement.) The others are part of a world view.
The other propositions express a position that depends on
In a message dated 6/27/2009 5:34:04 P.M. Central Daylight Time, sura@... writes:
how so?
again, can you sign your post?

mapattillo2@... wrote:

The fourth proposition is categorically different from the first three:
"that that natural and historic movement of the peoples has been towards water."

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#220

From: theofilos rafaelidys <theofilosr@...>
Date: Mon Jun 29, 2009 4:09 am
Subject: RE: [Norton AntiSpam] [ KPOW!! Keep Public Our Water ] Re: [ KPOW!! Keep Public Our Water ] we need a statement for groups to sig...

theofilosra...

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To: KPOW@yahoogroups.com; KPOW@yahoogroups.com
From: sunrise@...
Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2009 23:00:27 -0500
Subject: Re: [Norton AntiSpam] [ KPOW!! Keep Public Our Water ] Re: [ KPOW!! Keep Public Our Water ] we need a statement for groups to sig...

I set up KPOW at yahoogroups to be open to the public, open to anonymous members.

Do we still want it that way?

Bill

At 09:20 PM 6/28/2009, Jane Weida wrote:

Thanks. I have also been out of the loop (so maybe have others). My email should suffice as a "signature'.
----- Original Message -----

From: Jeffrey Gehlhoff

To: KPOW@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2009 9:00 PM

Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] [ KPOW!! Keep Public Our Water ] Re: [ KPOW!! Keep Public Our Water ] we need a statement for groups to sig...

Bill, I agree there's been poor (or lack of) communication from those organizing KPOW to those who want to get involved here, but in their defense on the meetings, Cheryl Nenn has been posting meeting notices on here. Check out the message archives from June 2 and June 18 (and I think there were a couple others as well).

-Jeff
On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 11:13 AM, William Sell <sunrise@bikethehoan.com > wrote:
Yeah, thanks, Marva. I don't blame you for the instinct to be careful. I am finding it weird, here, discussing water with anonymous posters at least one of whom has now acknowledged meetings without inviting the rest of us to join.

Bill
At 11:06 AM 6/28/2009, you wrote:
Not in hiding - just not in the habit of signing e-mails.

Marva Pattillo
In a message dated 6/28/2009 10:39:35 A.M. Central Daylight Time, sunrise@bikethehoan.com writes:
Instinctively I find fault with most any sentence that include the phrase "has nothing to do with..." Proximity to water has something to do with a sustainable world view that includes water resources - at least something. And we are talking about a world view here, or .... maybe not?
Land near water is more valuable than land far from water.
I am dying of thirst - I like to discuss things with people who have names. Any chance you can come out?

Bill Sell
southsider
At 05:56 PM 6/27/2009, mapattillo2@aol.com wrote:
That "the historic movement of people has been toward water" is a statement that can be supported by documentation that has nothing to do with a preference for the way one thinks the world should be. (Yes, I deliberately left "natural" out of the statement.) The others are part of a world view.
The other propositions express a position that depends on
In a message dated 6/27/2009 5:34:04 P.M. Central Daylight Time, sura@suraforchange.com writes:
how so?
again, can you sign your post?

mapattillo2@aol.com wrote:

The fourth proposition is categorically different from the first three:
"that that natural and historic movement of the peoples has been towards water."

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#221

From: "ottoj55" <ottoj55@...>
Date: Mon Jun 29, 2009 6:27 pm
Subject: Re: NAWC board, websites, members

ottoj55

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thats some good work on this list.  i started a fact sheet on NAWC.  i can only
find a few members right now in the food and water watch fact sheets, but i'm
working to find out more about the companies.

my new NAWC fact sheet:

http://www.afscmelocal952.org/nawc.html

Jason Otto, AFSCME Local 952

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#222

From: "ottoj55" <ottoj55@...>
Date: Mon Jun 29, 2009 6:35 pm
Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] [ KPOW!! Keep Public Our Water ] Re: [ KPOW!! Keep Public Our Water ] we need a statement for groups to sig...

ottoj55

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This is addressing the communication issue.  AFSCMELocal952.org has a rss feed
that I endeavor to keep updated (manually no less) that always lists the
upcoming events for my union.  It will always include KPOW events as soon as I
get word.  For those new to rss. its basically a bookmark that automatically
updates itself with new information.  I use them in Firefox on the link bar, I
have the union, KPOW Blog, JSOnline, and KPOW Yahoo group.  Sign up for my rss
feed by clicking this link and you can get frequent updates.

http://www.afscmelocal952.org/rss.xml

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#223

From: "ottoj55" <ottoj55@...>
Date: Mon Jun 29, 2009 6:38 pm
Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] [ KPOW!! Keep Public Our Water ] Re: [ KPOW!! Keep Public Our Water ] we need a statement for groups to sig...

ottoj55

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i may have mistyped the rss feed
its http://www.afscmelocal92.org/rss.xml

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#224

From: "Sura Faraj / SuraForChange.com" <sura@...>
Date: Tue Jun 30, 2009 4:35 pm
Subject: Re: [ KPOW!! Keep Public Our Water ] Re: NAWC board, websites, members

progressiver...

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" Among their members are two giants in private water operations, American Water and United Water. "

and they are both subsidiaries of foreign corporations.

ottoj55 wrote:

thats some good work on this list. i started a fact sheet on NAWC. i can only find a few members right now in the food and water watch fact sheets, but i'm working to find out more about the companies.

my new NAWC fact sheet:

http://www.afscmelocal952.org/nawc.html

Jason Otto, AFSCME Local 952

-- Sura Faraj
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#225

From: "Sura Faraj / SuraForChange.com" <sura@...>
Date: Tue Jun 30, 2009 9:16 pm
Subject: anyone driving from riverwest?

progressiver...

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to the meeting at 5pm? wanna carpool?
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#226

From: "Sura Faraj / SuraForChange.com" <sura@...>
Date: Tue Jun 30, 2009 9:17 pm
Subject: Re: [Norton AntiSpam] [ KPOW!! Keep Public Our Water ] Re: [ KPOW!! Keep Public Our Water ] we need a statement for groups to sig...

progressiver...

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i'd like it open in that it would be accessible to membership by anyone except media, elected officials, and people working directly or indirectly for water corps.�
barring that, i'd like a separate group for discussion of strategy. but i've said that already. :)

anyone else want to weigh in?

theofilos rafaelidys wrote:

yes
�

To: KPOW@yahoogroups.com; KPOW@yahoogroups.com
From: sunrise@bikethehoan.com
Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2009 23:00:27 -0500
Subject: Re: [Norton AntiSpam] [ KPOW!! Keep Public Our Water ] Re: [ KPOW!! Keep Public Our Water ] we need a statement for groups to sig...
I set up KPOW at yahoogroups to be open to the public, open to anonymous members.

Do we still want it that way?

Bill

At 09:20 PM 6/28/2009, Jane Weida wrote:
Thanks.� I have also been out of the loop (so maybe have others).� My email should suffice as a "signature'.
----- Original Message -----

From: Jeffrey Gehlhoff

To: KPOW@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2009 9:00 PM

Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] [ KPOW!! Keep Public Our Water ] Re: [ KPOW!! Keep Public Our Water ] we need a statement for groups to sig...

Bill, I agree there's been poor (or lack of) communication from those organizing KPOW to those who want to get involved here, but in their defense on the meetings, Cheryl Nenn has been posting meeting notices on here.� Check out the message archives from June 2 and June 18 (and I think there were a couple others as well).

-Jeff
On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 11:13 AM, William Sell <sunrise@bikethehoan.com > wrote:
Yeah, thanks, Marva.� I don't blame you for the instinct to be careful. I am finding it weird, here, discussing water with anonymous posters at least one of whom has now acknowledged meetings without inviting the rest of us to join.

Bill
At 11:06 AM 6/28/2009, you wrote:
Not in hiding - just not in the habit of signing e-mails.

�

�Marva Pattillo

�
In a message dated 6/28/2009 10:39:35 A.M. Central Daylight Time, sunrise@bikethehoan.com writes:
Instinctively I find fault with most any sentence that include the phrase "has nothing to do with..." Proximity to water has something to do with a sustainable world view that includes water resources - at least something.� And we are talking about a world view here, or .... maybe not?

Land near water is more valuable than land far from water.

I am dying of thirst - I like to discuss things with people who have names. Any chance you can come out?

Bill Sell

southsider
At 05:56 PM 6/27/2009, mapattillo2@aol.com wrote:
That "the historic movement of people has been toward water" is a statement that can be supported by documentation that has nothing to do with a preference for the way one thinks the world should be.� (Yes, I� deliberately left "natural" out of the statement.)�� The others are part of a world view.

The other propositions express a position that depends on
In a message dated 6/27/2009 5:34:04 P.M. Central Daylight Time, sura@suraforchange.com writes:
how so?

again, can you sign your post?

mapattillo2@aol.com wrote:
The fourth proposition is categorically different from the first three:

"that that natural and historic movement of the peoples has been towards water."

An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps!
-- 






Sura Faraj






www.SuraforChange.com






sura@suraforchange.com






414.263.1513







Get involved:






* MkeXchange: Local currency, mutual credit






* K-POW! Keep Public Our Waters:



http://kepow.wordpress.com/






* opt OUT: Secular, Christian, Muslim and Jewish individuals who



reject Zionist racism. 






* Art in the Alleys, continued? - Shout out if you want your garage



painted - I'll try to hook you up with an artist. 






* Transition Milwaukee: Powering down, shifting our minds,



recognizing opportunity in a peak oil world.
An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps!
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^.

"Let us put our minds together, and see what life we will make for our children." ---Tatanka-Iyotanka (Sitting Bull) --- Hunkpapa Lakota chief
An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps!
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^.

"Let us put our minds together, and see what life we will make for our children." ---Tatanka-Iyotanka (Sitting Bull) --- Hunkpapa Lakota chief
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^.
"Let us put our minds together, and see what life we will make for our children." ---Tatanka-Iyotanka (Sitting Bull)� --- Hunkpapa Lakota chief
Hotmail� has ever-growing storage! Don�t worry about storage limits. Check it out.

-- Sura Faraj
www.SuraforChange.com
sura@...
414.263.1513
Get involved:
* MkeXchange: Local currency, mutual credit
* K-POW! Keep Public Our Waters: http://kepow.wordpress.com/
* opt OUT: Secular, Christian, Muslim and Jewish individuals who reject Zionist racism. * Art in the Alleys, continued? - Shout out if you want your garage painted - I'll try to hook you up with an artist. * Transition Milwaukee: Powering down, shifting our minds, recognizing opportunity in a peak oil world.

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