LIRRCommuters : Messages : 29356-29386 of 29386

One such pub is
Patrick Conway's Pub & Restaurant, 40 E 43rd St (between Madison & Vanderbilt),


>       <p>Even easier would be a web page. MNR already does it and I know of at
least two independently-<wbr>owned bars that already do it.
>       The problem with UHF is that nearly no one has antennas anymore - you'd
need the cable network to carry it :( <br>


"Michael B. Justice" <mbj@...> writes:

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>       <p>Even easier would be a web page. MNR already does it and I know of at
least two independently-<wbr>owned bars that already do it. The problem with UHF
is that nearly no one has antennas anymore - you'd need the cable network to
carry it :( <br>
>  <br>
>  <br>
> -----Original Message----- <br>
> From: &quot;william_f_joseph&quot; &lt;<a
href="mailto:william_f_joseph%40yahoo.com">william_f_joseph@<wbr>yahoo.com</a>&g\
t; <br>
> Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 17:40:28  <br>
> To: &lt;<a
href="mailto:LIRRCommuters%40yahoogroups.com">LIRRCommuters@<wbr>yahoogroups.<wb\
r>com</a>&gt; <br>
> Subject: [LIRRCommuters] Re: njt stairs @7 &amp; 31: $12 million, 3 years.
<br>
>  <br>
> Beware, more &quot;out of the box&quot; thoughts here: <br>
>  <br>
> You know what would be really great? If the LIRR could broadcast their track
assignments over TV either via Cable or the old low power UHF TV. This way,
businesses in the area (resturants, bars, MSG) could tune a TV to a station and
show the track announcements. Put a few TVs in Herald Square too... <br>
>  <br>
> --- In <a
href="mailto:LIRRCommuters%40yahoogroups.com">LIRRCommuters@<wbr>yahoogroups.<wb\
r>com</a>, Yeoh Yiu &lt;squid@...&gt; wrote: <br>
> &gt; <br>
> &gt; <a
href="http://maplewood.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/08/31/the-day-stairway-to-the-conc\
ourse/">http://maplewood.<wbr>blogs.nytimes.<wbr>com/2009/<wbr>08/31/the-<wbr>da\
y-stairway-<wbr>to-the-concourse<wbr>/</a> <br>
> &gt;  <br>
> &gt; I'm not sure what happens to my other message on this topic, but I think
this new exit <br>
> &gt; and entry is a good improvement. <br>
> &gt;  <br>
> &gt; Would be better if it also tunnelled under 7 and had a storefront on the
east side of 7 Avenue, <br>
> &gt; and some Solari-like displays of train / time /track further away from
the train platforms. <br>
> &gt; <br>
>  <br>
>  <br>
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#29385

From: casey_jones_vi
Date: Tue Nov 24, 2009 1:08 am
Subject: Re: njt stairs @7 & 31: $12 million, 3 years.

casey_jones_vi

Offline

what would most likely happen is the occasional RR travler would look at the
departure board from 6 blocks away for a train leaving in 5 min, get to penn 10
min later and go to that same track and get on a train going somewhere other
than where they wanted to go.
and don't try and tell me it won't happen, lol.  it already happens every day
for no reason other than that people don't know how to read.

--- In LIRRCommuters@yahoogroups.com, "yomf" <yomf@...> wrote:
>
> "if your 6 blocks away and they post a train with 5 min to leaving time its of
no use to you."
>
> Not true.  Information is almost always useful.  In this case a commuter would
know NOT to have to run for the train, as they could not make it.
>
> If they did not see ANYTHING they could still have the (realistic) hope that
the train could be late and they might make it.
>
>
>
> --- In LIRRCommuters@yahoogroups.com, casey_jones_vi <no_reply@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > doesn't metro-north post their track assignments hours in advance?
> > http://as0.mta.info/mnr/html/bigboard.cfm
> > this is a good idea since you can see what track you are on and then an hour
later when you go to GCT you know where to go.
> > now, as far as the LIRR goes....the only workable option is having a web
page broadcast the track assignments (so you can look it up on your blackberry
as you get near penn) or have screen outside penn so you can see as you go in. 
anything more than a few blocks away is useless since the LIRR doesn't post a
train until 5-10 min before it leaves.  if your 6 blocks away and they post a
train with 5 min to leaving time its of no use to you.
> > --- In LIRRCommuters@yahoogroups.com, "william_f_joseph" <william_f_joseph@>
wrote:
> > >
> > > Beware, more "out of the box" thoughts here:
> > >
> > > You know what would be really great? If the LIRR could broadcast their
track assignments over TV either via Cable or the old low power UHF TV. This
way, businesses in the area (resturants, bars, MSG) could tune a TV to a station
and show the track announcements. Put a few TVs in Herald Square too...
> > >
> > > --- In LIRRCommuters@yahoogroups.com, Yeoh Yiu <squid@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
http://maplewood.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/08/31/the-day-stairway-to-the-concourse/
> > > >
> > > > I'm not sure what happens to my other message on this topic, but I think
this new exit
> > > > and entry is a good improvement.
> > > >
> > > > Would be better if it also tunnelled under 7 and had a storefront on the
east side of 7 Avenue,
> > > > and some Solari-like displays of train / time /track further away from
the train platforms.
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

#29384

From: "mrbeach602" <mrbeach602@...>
Date: Tue Nov 24, 2009 2:00 am
Subject: Re: Commuter killed over a subway seat

mrbeach602

Offline

to say this guy is a moron and an animal is an understatement. all he had to do
was move to another car at the next stop. now he's going to jail for at least
fifteen years..and for what?

--- In LIRRCommuters@yahoogroups.com, LIRR Commuters Community <yomf@...> wrote:
>
> New York man kills fellow commuter over train seat
> By DPA, IANS
> November 22nd, 2009
>
> NEW YORK - A New York man has been charged with stabbing to death a fellow
commuter on a train after the they got into an argument over a seat, according
to a report Sunday.
>
> The 37-year-old suspect had demanded that a reportedly homeless 36-year-old
man move a bag from the seat where he wanted to sit on the train he boarded at
the city’s Rockerfeller Center, the New York Daily News reported.
>
> The newspaper said that after the man refused and assaulted him, the suspect
drew a steak knife.
>
> “He stabs him right in the neck, possibly the jugular,” an unnamed police
source was quoted as saying. “Blood everywhere. Complete mayhem.”
>
> The attack took place in full view of more than two dozen other passengers.
The victim, reportedly a 36-year-old homeless man, died before the train reached
the next station, according to the report.
>
> The suspect, an employee at a pest control company, was arrested on the train
and charged with charged with second-degree murder and criminal possession of a
weapon.
>
> From:
http://blog.taragana.com/n/new-york-man-kills-fellow-commuter-over-train-seat-23\
4378/
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

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#29383

From: "yomf" <yomf@...>
Date: Mon Nov 23, 2009 7:52 pm
Subject: Re: njt stairs @7 & 31: $12 million, 3 years.

yomf

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"if your 6 blocks away and they post a train with 5 min to leaving time its of
no use to you."

Not true.  Information is almost always useful.  In this case a commuter would
know NOT to have to run for the train, as they could not make it.

If they did not see ANYTHING they could still have the (realistic) hope that the
train could be late and they might make it.



--- In LIRRCommuters@yahoogroups.com, casey_jones_vi <no_reply@...> wrote:
>
>
> doesn't metro-north post their track assignments hours in advance?
> http://as0.mta.info/mnr/html/bigboard.cfm
> this is a good idea since you can see what track you are on and then an hour
later when you go to GCT you know where to go.
> now, as far as the LIRR goes....the only workable option is having a web page
broadcast the track assignments (so you can look it up on your blackberry as you
get near penn) or have screen outside penn so you can see as you go in. 
anything more than a few blocks away is useless since the LIRR doesn't post a
train until 5-10 min before it leaves.  if your 6 blocks away and they post a
train with 5 min to leaving time its of no use to you.
> --- In LIRRCommuters@yahoogroups.com, "william_f_joseph" <william_f_joseph@>
wrote:
> >
> > Beware, more "out of the box" thoughts here:
> >
> > You know what would be really great? If the LIRR could broadcast their track
assignments over TV either via Cable or the old low power UHF TV. This way,
businesses in the area (resturants, bars, MSG) could tune a TV to a station and
show the track announcements. Put a few TVs in Herald Square too...
> >
> > --- In LIRRCommuters@yahoogroups.com, Yeoh Yiu <squid@> wrote:
> > >
> > >
http://maplewood.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/08/31/the-day-stairway-to-the-concourse/
> > >
> > > I'm not sure what happens to my other message on this topic, but I think
this new exit
> > > and entry is a good improvement.
> > >
> > > Would be better if it also tunnelled under 7 and had a storefront on the
east side of 7 Avenue,
> > > and some Solari-like displays of train / time /track further away from the
train platforms.
> > >
> >
>

#29382

From: casey_jones_vi
Date: Mon Nov 23, 2009 7:05 pm
Subject: Re: njt stairs @7 & 31: $12 million, 3 years.

casey_jones_vi

Offline

doesn't metro-north post their track assignments hours in advance?
http://as0.mta.info/mnr/html/bigboard.cfm
this is a good idea since you can see what track you are on and then an hour
later when you go to GCT you know where to go.
now, as far as the LIRR goes....the only workable option is having a web page
broadcast the track assignments (so you can look it up on your blackberry as you
get near penn) or have screen outside penn so you can see as you go in. 
anything more than a few blocks away is useless since the LIRR doesn't post a
train until 5-10 min before it leaves.  if your 6 blocks away and they post a
train with 5 min to leaving time its of no use to you.
--- In LIRRCommuters@yahoogroups.com, "william_f_joseph" <william_f_joseph@...>
wrote:
>
> Beware, more "out of the box" thoughts here:
>
> You know what would be really great? If the LIRR could broadcast their track
assignments over TV either via Cable or the old low power UHF TV. This way,
businesses in the area (resturants, bars, MSG) could tune a TV to a station and
show the track announcements. Put a few TVs in Herald Square too...
>
> --- In LIRRCommuters@yahoogroups.com, Yeoh Yiu <squid@> wrote:
> >
> >
http://maplewood.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/08/31/the-day-stairway-to-the-concourse/
> >
> > I'm not sure what happens to my other message on this topic, but I think
this new exit
> > and entry is a good improvement.
> >
> > Would be better if it also tunnelled under 7 and had a storefront on the
east side of 7 Avenue,
> > and some Solari-like displays of train / time /track further away from the
train platforms.
> >
>

#29381

From: "Michael B. Justice" <mbj@...>
Date: Mon Nov 23, 2009 6:48 pm
Subject: Re: Re: njt stairs @7 & 31: $12 million, 3 years.

michael_b_ju...

Offline

With the advent of mobile internet the screens aren't as necessary, but the feed
(of data) certainly is.
-----Original Message-----
From: "william_f_joseph" <william_f_joseph@...>
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 18:36:47
To: <LIRRCommuters@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [LIRRCommuters] Re: njt stairs @7 & 31: $12 million, 3 years.

Yes, I have seen the MN web page. I think that would be ideal. I did not know
that any bars are showing that info. Pretty kool.

Now, if there was only a way to get both LIRR and NJT info on one monitor,
visible all over the place...

--- In LIRRCommuters@yahoogroups.com, "Michael B. Justice" <mbj@...> wrote:
>
> Even easier would be a web page. MNR already does it and I know of at least
two independently-owned bars that already do it. The problem with UHF is that
nearly no one has antennas anymore - you'd need the cable network to carry it :(
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "william_f_joseph" <william_f_joseph@...>
> Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 17:40:28
> To: <LIRRCommuters@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: [LIRRCommuters] Re: njt stairs @7 & 31: $12 million, 3 years.
>
> Beware, more "out of the box" thoughts here:
>
> You know what would be really great? If the LIRR could broadcast their track
assignments over TV either via Cable or the old low power UHF TV. This way,
businesses in the area (resturants, bars, MSG) could tune a TV to a station and
show the track announcements. Put a few TVs in Herald Square too...
>
> --- In LIRRCommuters@yahoogroups.com, Yeoh Yiu <squid@> wrote:
> >
> >
http://maplewood.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/08/31/the-day-stairway-to-the-concourse/
> >
> > I'm not sure what happens to my other message on this topic, but I think
this new exit
> > and entry is a good improvement.
> >
> > Would be better if it also tunnelled under 7 and had a storefront on the
east side of 7 Avenue,
> > and some Solari-like displays of train / time /track further away from the
train platforms.
> >
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>





[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

#29380

From: "william_f_joseph" <william_f_joseph@...>
Date: Mon Nov 23, 2009 6:36 pm
Subject: Re: njt stairs @7 & 31: $12 million, 3 years.

william_f_jo...

Offline

Yes, I have seen the MN web page. I think that would be ideal. I did not know
that any bars are showing that info. Pretty kool.

Now, if there was only a way to get both LIRR and NJT info on one monitor,
visible all over the place...

--- In LIRRCommuters@yahoogroups.com, "Michael B. Justice" <mbj@...> wrote:
>
> Even easier would be a web page. MNR already does it and I know of at least
two independently-owned bars that already do it. The problem with UHF is that
nearly no one has antennas anymore - you'd need the cable network to carry it :(
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "william_f_joseph" <william_f_joseph@...>
> Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 17:40:28
> To: <LIRRCommuters@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: [LIRRCommuters] Re: njt stairs @7 & 31: $12 million, 3 years.
>
> Beware, more "out of the box" thoughts here:
>
> You know what would be really great? If the LIRR could broadcast their track
assignments over TV either via Cable or the old low power UHF TV. This way,
businesses in the area (resturants, bars, MSG) could tune a TV to a station and
show the track announcements. Put a few TVs in Herald Square too...
>
> --- In LIRRCommuters@yahoogroups.com, Yeoh Yiu <squid@> wrote:
> >
> >
http://maplewood.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/08/31/the-day-stairway-to-the-concourse/
> >
> > I'm not sure what happens to my other message on this topic, but I think
this new exit
> > and entry is a good improvement.
> >
> > Would be better if it also tunnelled under 7 and had a storefront on the
east side of 7 Avenue,
> > and some Solari-like displays of train / time /track further away from the
train platforms.
> >
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

#29379

From: "Michael B. Justice" <mbj@...>
Date: Mon Nov 23, 2009 6:14 pm
Subject: Re: Re: njt stairs @7 & 31: $12 million, 3 years.

michael_b_ju...

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Even easier would be a web page. MNR already does it and I know of at least two
independently-owned bars that already do it. The problem with UHF is that nearly
no one has antennas anymore - you'd need the cable network to carry it :(

-----Original Message-----
From: "william_f_joseph" <william_f_joseph@...>
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 17:40:28
To: <LIRRCommuters@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [LIRRCommuters] Re: njt stairs @7 & 31: $12 million, 3 years.

Beware, more "out of the box" thoughts here:

You know what would be really great? If the LIRR could broadcast their track
assignments over TV either via Cable or the old low power UHF TV. This way,
businesses in the area (resturants, bars, MSG) could tune a TV to a station and
show the track announcements. Put a few TVs in Herald Square too...

--- In LIRRCommuters@yahoogroups.com, Yeoh Yiu <squid@...> wrote:
>
>
http://maplewood.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/08/31/the-day-stairway-to-the-concourse/
>
> I'm not sure what happens to my other message on this topic, but I think this
new exit
> and entry is a good improvement.
>
> Would be better if it also tunnelled under 7 and had a storefront on the east
side of 7 Avenue,
> and some Solari-like displays of train / time /track further away from the
train platforms.
>

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#29378

From: "william_f_joseph" <william_f_joseph@...>
Date: Mon Nov 23, 2009 5:40 pm
Subject: Re: njt stairs @7 & 31: $12 million, 3 years.

william_f_jo...

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Beware, more "out of the box" thoughts here:

You know what would be really great? If the LIRR could broadcast their track
assignments over TV either via Cable or the old low power UHF TV. This way,
businesses in the area (resturants, bars, MSG) could tune a TV to a station and
show the track announcements. Put a few TVs in Herald Square too...

--- In LIRRCommuters@yahoogroups.com, Yeoh Yiu <squid@...> wrote:
>
>
http://maplewood.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/08/31/the-day-stairway-to-the-concourse/
>
> I'm not sure what happens to my other message on this topic, but I think this
new exit
> and entry is a good improvement.
>
> Would be better if it also tunnelled under 7 and had a storefront on the east
side of 7 Avenue,
> and some Solari-like displays of train / time /track further away from the
train platforms.
>

#29377

From: LIRR Commuters Community <yomf@...>
Date: Mon Nov 23, 2009 2:31 am
Subject: Commuter killed over a subway seat

yomf

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New York man kills fellow commuter over train seat
By DPA, IANS
November 22nd, 2009

NEW YORK - A New York man has been charged with stabbing to death a fellow
commuter on a train after the they got into an argument over a seat, according
to a report Sunday.

The 37-year-old suspect had demanded that a reportedly homeless 36-year-old man
move a bag from the seat where he wanted to sit on the train he boarded at the
city’s Rockerfeller Center, the New York Daily News reported.

The newspaper said that after the man refused and assaulted him, the suspect
drew a steak knife.

“He stabs him right in the neck, possibly the jugular,” an unnamed police
source was quoted as saying. “Blood everywhere. Complete mayhem.”

The attack took place in full view of more than two dozen other passengers. The
victim, reportedly a 36-year-old homeless man, died before the train reached the
next station, according to the report.

The suspect, an employee at a pest control company, was arrested on the train
and charged with charged with second-degree murder and criminal possession of a
weapon.

From:
http://blog.taragana.com/n/new-york-man-kills-fellow-commuter-over-train-seat-23\
4378/

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#29376

From: Yeoh Yiu <squid@...>
Date: Sat Nov 21, 2009 7:33 pm
Subject: njt stairs @7 & 31: $12 million, 3 years.

ace_squid

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http://maplewood.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/08/31/the-day-stairway-to-the-concourse/

I'm not sure what happens to my other message on this topic, but I think this
new exit
and entry is a good improvement.

Would be better if it also tunnelled under 7 and had a storefront on the east
side of 7 Avenue,
and some Solari-like displays of train / time /track further away from the train
platforms.

#29375

From: Yeoh Yiu <squid@...>
Date: Sat Nov 21, 2009 7:24 pm
Subject: Re: Re: ESA - nothing for CT?

ace_squid

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The new stair / escalator to the NJT area just completed by Labor Day weekend
this year.
The escalators are fully enclosed, so that should keep them cleaner and more
servicable
(Compare to Was DC Metro of SF BART where the routine is 18 months repairs, 6
months operating
for outdoor escalators.)

Project took 3 years and $12 million.
If only they could put up a solari what train / when /what track  display
further away from the tracks
and also had a tunnel under 7th Ave like the 21,2,3 train stop it would be
perfect.




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>       <p>speaking of njt,<br>
> <br>
> how come they always seem to be one to three steps ahead of the lirr? i walked
thru their section at penn yesterday and exited thru their portal at 7th and
31st. very nice-new,clean,<wbr>state of the art.<br>
> <br>
> --- In <a
href="mailto:LIRRCommuters%40yahoogroups.com">LIRRCommuters@<wbr>yahoogroups.<wb\
r>com</a>, &quot;william_f_joseph&quot; &lt;william_f_joseph@<wbr>...&gt;
wrote:<br>
> &gt;<br>
> &gt; This opinion piece is clearly one-sided. I guess all opinion pieces
are.<br>
> &gt; <br>
> &gt; On the surface, the author is attempting to point out that this money
should be spent to help Connecticut commuters, and that ESA is clearly a
boondoggle.<br>
> &gt; <br>
> &gt; I firmly disagree.<br>
> &gt; <br>
> &gt; First, this author mentions that the only reason for the East Side Access
project is to give Long Island riders better access to midtown. While
technically true, ESA is much more than that. It also means getting people off
the subways, as hopefully this will allow more commuters to arrive closer to
their destinations. That would means that the subways could handle more people,
including more people from Connecticut.<br>
> &gt; <br>
> &gt; It will give people form Long Island some redundancy, as currently a
stalled train on one of the four tracks into Penn can mean huge delays for the
largest commuter railroad in US (LIRR), the fourth largest commuter railroad in
the US (NJT), and the national passenger railroad (Amtrak). <br>
> &gt; <br>
> &gt; The author also fails to mention the NJT initiative to add more space to
Penn, which in addition to the ESA may indeed allow MN trains to arrive at Penn
one day. Nor was there any mention of the Second Avenue subway, which would also
help relieve congestion.<br>
> &gt; <br>
> &gt; His statement about Connecticut commuters paying the bills is somewhat
interesting as well. How many Connecticut counties are paying the MTA payroll
tax? Funny 26% of Metro-North customers are from Connecticut, yet I do not
remember Connecticut paying a penny towards the MTA bailout. <br>
> &gt; <br>
> &gt; The region does need a major transportation plan. Unfortunately, special
interests and not real need tend to steer the projects around here.<br>
> &gt; <br>
> &gt; <br>
> &gt; --- In <a
href="mailto:LIRRCommuters%40yahoogroups.com">LIRRCommuters@<wbr>yahoogroups.<wb\
r>com</a>, LIRR Commuters Community &lt;yomf@&gt; wrote:<br>
> &gt; &gt;<br>
> &gt; &gt; Cameron: The MTA��

#29374

From: casey_jones_vi
Date: Sat Nov 21, 2009 6:11 am
Subject: Re: ESA - nothing for CT?

casey_jones_vi

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eh, NJT could start by running a train or two after 1:30am or so.their area in
penn is nicer, but have you noticed how much smaller and cramped it is? if the
LIRR tried to use that space no one could breath.
if you want to read about some NJT horror stories check out this forum:
   http://www.railroad.net/forums/viewforum.php?f=69



--- In LIRRCommuters@yahoogroups.com, "mrbeach602" <mrbeach602@...> wrote:
>
> speaking of njt,
>
> how come they always seem to be one to three steps ahead of the lirr? i walked
thru their section at penn yesterday and exited thru their portal at 7th and
31st. very nice-new,clean,state of the art.
>
> --- In LIRRCommuters@yahoogroups.com, "william_f_joseph" <william_f_joseph@>
wrote:
> >
> > This opinion piece is clearly one-sided. I guess all opinion pieces are.
> >
> > On the surface, the author is attempting to point out that this money should
be spent to help Connecticut commuters, and that ESA is clearly a boondoggle.
> >
> > I firmly disagree.
> >
> > First, this author mentions that the only reason for the East Side Access
project is to give Long Island riders better access to midtown. While
technically true, ESA is much more than that. It also means getting people off
the subways, as hopefully this will allow more commuters to arrive closer to
their destinations. That would means that the subways could handle more people,
including more people from Connecticut.
> >
> > It will give people form Long Island some redundancy, as currently a stalled
train on one of the four tracks into Penn can mean huge delays for the largest
commuter railroad in US (LIRR), the fourth largest commuter railroad in the US
(NJT), and the national passenger railroad (Amtrak).
> >
> > The author also fails to mention the NJT initiative to add more space to
Penn, which in addition to the ESA may indeed allow MN trains to arrive at Penn
one day. Nor was there any mention of the Second Avenue subway, which would also
help relieve congestion.
> >
> > His statement about Connecticut commuters paying the bills is somewhat
interesting as well. How many Connecticut counties are paying the MTA payroll
tax? Funny 26% of Metro-North customers are from Connecticut, yet I do not
remember Connecticut paying a penny towards the MTA bailout.
> >
> > The region does need a major transportation plan. Unfortunately, special
interests and not real need tend to steer the projects around here.
> >
> >
> > --- In LIRRCommuters@yahoogroups.com, LIRR Commuters Community <yomf@>
wrote:
> > >
> > > Cameron: The MTA’s big dig won't help Connecticut
> > >
> > > Written by Jim Cameron
> > > Tuesday, 17 November 2009 10:15
> > >
> > > We all know what happened when Boston decided to bury its downtown
elevated interstate highway, known as the central artery. What was intended to
be a seven-year, $2.5 billion project became a 10-year, $14.6 billion
engineering nightmare.
> > >
> > > Well, heads up fellow commuters and taxpayers! New York’s Metropolitan
Transportation Authority, or MTA, (parent of Metro-North Railroad) has similar
designs on our beloved Grand Central. Nicknamed the “East Side Access”
project, the goal is to bring the Long Island Railroad into Grand Central.
> > >
> > > The plan would use the lower level of the already built 63rd Street subway
tunnel, allowing some Long Island trains from Queens to enter Manhattan and then
follow a new, very deep tunnel under existing Metro-North tracks beneath Park
Avenue. Trains would terminate 14 stories under Grand Central on eight tracks
with up to 24 trains arriving per hour. Exiting passengers �" an estimated
162,000 per day (compared with the 115,000 who arrive and depart from
Connecticut) �" would be whisked upward on high speed escalators, to the west
side of Grand Central, into an underground concourse complex stretching from
43rd to 48th streets.
> > >
> > > The estimated cost for the project �" $8 billion �" is about the same as
rebuilding the entire World Trade Center complex. Actual cost, factoring in
inevitable delays (they’re already a year behind schedule), cost over-runs and
typical under-estimation by politically sensitive designers �" who knows, maybe
double that? And for what gain?
> > >
> > > The only reason for the East Side Access project is to give Long Island
riders better access to midtown. Is the subway ride connection from Penn Station
to Grand Central really all that bad? Imagine what we could do with $8 billion
to improve commuter rail service in the tri-state region.
> > >
> > > What would an almost doubling of passengers in Grand Central (by adding
Long Island riders to existing Metro-North riders) mean for Connecticut
commuters? Well, if you think the station’s crowded now, you ain’t seen
nuthin’ yet. And just imagine the already jam-packed Lexington Avenue subway
station with even more riders!
> > >
> > > The currently under-utilized Grand Central would quickly be maxed out for
trains and platforms, making much-needed expansion of service to Connecticut a
real problem.
> > >
> > > True, diverting some Long Island trains into Grand Central might free-up
“slots” in Penn Station for Metro-North trains (which would travel there by
way of the Hell Gate Bridge), but don’t count on it, what with New Jersey
Transit, Amtrak and Long Island Rail Road also vying for more trains in Penn
Station.
> > >
> > > If all of this concerns you, don’t get your knickers in a knot.
There’s nothing you can do to stop it. The money’s already been appropriated
and the project should be finished in 2015.
> > >
> > > What role did Connecticut play in this boondoggle? Zero. Nada. Zilch. New
York’s MTA didn’t ask our opinion or seek our approval. Though the
Connecticut Department of Transportation is Metro-North’s biggest customer,
our state still has no seat, no vote and no say on the MTA or Metro-North
boards. Gov. Rell said she’d change that, but never did.
> > >
> > > Connecticut commuters pay the bills and New York’s MTA calls the tune,
building a really “big dig” that benefits Long Island but penalizes us.
What’s wrong with this picture?
> > >
> > > For more info on the East Side Access project, see
mta.nyc.ny.us/capconstr/esas/index.html
> > >
> > > From:
http://www.acorn-online.com/joomla15/darientimes/opinion/41985-cameron-the-mtas-\
big-dig-wont-help-connecticut.html
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> >
>

#29373

From: casey_jones_vi
Date: Sat Nov 21, 2009 6:08 am
Subject: Re: LIRR - maglev ??

casey_jones_vi

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Interesting story, it also explains where your hatred of the LIRR all came from,
since this appears to have happened around the time you started commuting.  the
pieces are all coming together, lol.

--- In LIRRCommuters@yahoogroups.com, "Philip L" <phil_yanks@...> wrote:
>
> This was about 3-4 years ago, on the way home.  We were stuck for about an
hour, with the lights of the M7 in the WH station staring at us the whole time. 
They didn't want us to walk on the tracks  (or near them) too dangerous. 
Apparently the shoes lost contact with/gapped the third rail and everything just
shut off and we stopped. We sat there until (while trying to start the train up)
a battery pack exploded sending sparks into the front yards on Hempstead Gardens
Drive.
>
> Then, we crawled into the station.
>
> --- In LIRRCommuters@yahoogroups.com, casey_jones_vi <no_reply@> wrote:
> >
> > so what happened? what was wrong and how did they fix it? how long were you
stuck for?  too bad they couldn't just put a ladder down and let you walk to
west hempstead.  you can see it from hempstead gardens anyway.
> >
> > --- In LIRRCommuters@yahoogroups.com, "Philip L" <phil_yanks@> wrote:
> > >
> > > What I meant was referring to a few times where I was stuck on an M7 or
M1/M3 and was told by conductor or engineer that you cannot "couple" them
together.  I remember vividly being stuck between Hempstead Gardens and West
Hempstead on a dead train.  It was an old M1/M3 and we could SEE the M7 at the
WH station.  When some forward-thinking passengers said, "Hey, why can't that
train pull up to this one and at least get us home"?  The conductor said, "Nope,
they can't be coupled.  And, if they pull up togeteher, they're too far apart
for you to walk, it's a safety hazard".
> > >
> > > I bet the Fail Road can get a train to float before they can have a month
full of commutes with no problems.
> > >
> > > --- In LIRRCommuters@yahoogroups.com, "yomf" <yomf@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Perhaps he should have said near-impossible or perhaps the reference was
to using a mixed M1/M3 and M7 consist in one train.
> > > >
> > > > Even with common knuckles it is very rarely done.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In LIRRCommuters@yahoogroups.com, casey_jones_vi <no_reply@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Incorrect, it is not impossible to couple an M1/M3 to an M7 or to a
dual mode train for that matter.  all the M7's and Diesal's carry something
called a "Compromise Coupler" in the event that they would need to hitch up to a
dead M1/M3/Dual Mode train and tow it somewhere.  this compromise coupler allows
two normally incompatible couplers to be able to connect through an intermediate
device.
> > > > > It's also not impossible to add more slots, if you build more tracks
they will come (they being the additional trains, not dead baseball players).
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In LIRRCommuters@yahoogroups.com, "Philip L" <phil_yanks@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > If it's "IMPOSSIBLE" to couple an M1/M3 to an M7 in an emergency and
it's IMPOSSIBLE to add more slots, etc HOW THE HELL CAN THEY ADD MAGNETIC PADS
TO THE TRAINS TO MAKE THEM FLOAT?!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > They can't even run the damn system that they have well...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Jeez! Pie in the sky...he obviously doesn't ride the Fail Road
regularly...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In LIRRCommuters@yahoogroups.com, LIRR Commuters Community
<yomf@> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > LIMBA prez pitches maglev train system
> > > > > > > Cheap speed in all weather, Fazio says; build 'em here, too
> > > > > > > By Joe Darrow
> > > > > > > November 19, 2009 | 12:14 PM
> > > > > > > A well-known Long Island business advocate pitched the benefits of
superconducting magnetic-levitation trains for the local economy to Suffolk
lawmakers Friday.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Maglev trains, as they are known, hover above magnetized tracks
along which they are propelled at speeds of up to 300 miles per hour. The latest
maglev technology can accelerate a train from 0 to 60 miles per hour in 11
seconds, and stop it faster than conventional trains through instant reversal of
the magnetic pulses pushing the vehicle, according to Long Island Metro Business
Action President Ernie Fazio, now also a spokesman for the private concern
Maglev 2000. Fazio promoted the company's transportation system before the
Suffolk Legislature's Economic Development, Higher Education and Energy
Committee at the invitation of its chairman, Legislator Wayne Horsley
(D-Babylon).
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The concept, developed at Brookhaven National Laboratory in 1966
by Long Island scientists Gordon Danby of Wading River and James Powell of
Shoreham, has been extensively employed in Asia, Fazio said. Maglev 2000 is
Danby and Powell's firm.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > In a partnership with the Town of Riverhead, Maglev 2000 is
pursuing $59 million in federal stimulus funding to demonstrate the technology
on three miles of unused Grumman track in Calverton in order to certify it for
commercial use, he said. Second generation maglev technology suspends trains
four to six and a half inches over the track, making the system "impervious to
ice and snow," according to Fazio.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > If implemented nationwide, maglev trains could render obsolete
long-distance truck delivery, and even compete with airlines, conveying
passengers and freight from East to West coasts in a single day, Fazio told
lawmakers. Transportation costs are also potentially lower, with Maglev 2000
projecting a freight expense of $.07 per ton mile versus $.27 per ton mile via
truck, he said.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > In addition to new routes across the state and country,
conventional rail on Long Island could be adapted to high-speed maglev
relatively easily by outfitting existing trains with magnetic pads, according to
the spokesman. Further, as the site of the technology's invention and testing,
Fazio would also like to see Long Island become its manufacturing center.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Fazio's pitch was less of a request for funding than a glimpse of
what may come, as he said Maglev 2000 plans to fully fund its transportation
systems privately. Unlike conventional rail in the U.S., most of which is public
or relies on government funding to survive, the high-speed freight service would
make freestanding maglev enterprises economically viable, Fazio maintained.
"This can operate without subsidy because its profitability in freight is so
great," he said.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > However, he is seeking government support to attract the potential
maglev manufacturing firms to locate on the Island. "I don't want Long Island to
miss out on the opportunity to build this," Fazio said. "I just think it's tens
of thousands of jobs."
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > While impressed with maglev's potential, county lawmakers
questioned its applicability for Long Island rail transportation. Citing the
technology's emphasis on high speeds, Legislator Vivian Viloria-Fisher (D-Port
Jefferson) asked, "Would this be practical for a place like Long Island where we
have so many stops?" Maglev trains would not have to travel at maximum speeds in
order to improve upon the Long Island Railroad commute, Fazio responded,
highlighting among other benefits the new technology's resistance to bad-weather
delays and related expenses.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > From:
http://www.northshoreoflongisland.com/Articles-i-2009-11-19-82189.112114-sub_LIM\
BA_prez_pitches_maglev_train_system.html
> > > > > > > ====================
> > > > > > > Hey - no more "slip and slide" ...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

#29372

From: "mrbeach602" <mrbeach602@...>
Date: Fri Nov 20, 2009 7:02 pm
Subject: Re: LIRR - maglev ??

mrbeach602

Offline

mike,

which ones do you think should be re-opened?

i know that you think every station should operate all the time,but wouldnt it
make sense to have turned some of the south fork stations into seasonal ones? i
think we had this discussion almost a decade ago.

--- In LIRRCommuters@yahoogroups.com, "Michael B. Justice" <mbj@...> wrote:
>
> I don't think the LIRR should be closing any stations. If anything, they could
expand service by re-opening a few stations.
>
> MJ
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "mrbeach602" <mrbeach602@...>
> Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 18:27:35
> To: <LIRRCommuters@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: [LIRRCommuters] Re: LIRR - maglev ??
>
> ling,
>
> im sure that there are quite a few LIRR stations that could be closed or
turned into part-time stations.
>
> case in point- the centre avenue station in east rockaway. its only 2 min from
lynbrook,3 min from east rockaway,and has little available parking. but lots of
luck trying to get it-or any station-closed these days,even if the change would
benefit most commuters.
>
> --- In LIRRCommuters@yahoogroups.com, "lingcat_2000" <phurrballe@> wrote:
> >
> > Good Lord - how close are these two stations anyway if you can see one while
at the other? Can't they save $$$ by closing one and combining the two?
> >
> > --- In LIRRCommuters@yahoogroups.com, casey_jones_vi <no_reply@> wrote:
> > >
> > > so what happened? what was wrong and how did they fix it? how long were
you stuck for?  too bad they couldn't just put a ladder down and let you walk to
west hempstead.  you can see it from hempstead gardens anyway.
> > >
> > > --- In LIRRCommuters@yahoogroups.com, "Philip L" <phil_yanks@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > What I meant was referring to a few times where I was stuck on an M7 or
M1/M3 and was told by conductor or engineer that you cannot "couple" them
together.  I remember vividly being stuck between Hempstead Gardens and West
Hempstead on a dead train.  It was an old M1/M3 and we could SEE the M7 at the
WH station.  When some forward-thinking passengers said, "Hey, why can't that
train pull up to this one and at least get us home"?  The conductor said, "Nope,
they can't be coupled.  And, if they pull up togeteher, they're too far apart
for you to walk, it's a safety hazard".
> > > >
> > > > I bet the Fail Road can get a train to float before they can have a
month full of commutes with no problems.
> > > >
> > > > --- In LIRRCommuters@yahoogroups.com, "yomf" <yomf@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Perhaps he should have said near-impossible or perhaps the reference
was to using a mixed M1/M3 and M7 consist in one train.
> > > > >
> > > > > Even with common knuckles it is very rarely done.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In LIRRCommuters@yahoogroups.com, casey_jones_vi <no_reply@>
wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Incorrect, it is not impossible to couple an M1/M3 to an M7 or to a
dual mode train for that matter.  all the M7's and Diesal's carry something
called a "Compromise Coupler" in the event that they would need to hitch up to a
dead M1/M3/Dual Mode train and tow it somewhere.  this compromise coupler allows
two normally incompatible couplers to be able to connect through an intermediate
device.
> > > > > > It's also not impossible to add more slots, if you build more tracks
they will come (they being the additional trains, not dead baseball players).
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In LIRRCommuters@yahoogroups.com, "Philip L" <phil_yanks@>
wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > If it's "IMPOSSIBLE" to couple an M1/M3 to an M7 in an emergency
and it's IMPOSSIBLE to add more slots, etc HOW THE HELL CAN THEY ADD MAGNETIC
PADS TO THE TRAINS TO MAKE THEM FLOAT?!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > They can't even run the damn system that they have well...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Jeez! Pie in the sky...he obviously doesn't ride the Fail Road
regularly...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In LIRRCommuters@yahoogroups.com, LIRR Commuters Community
<yomf@> wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > LIMBA prez pitches maglev train system
> > > > > > > > Cheap speed in all weather, Fazio says; build 'em here, too
> > > > > > > > By Joe Darrow
> > > > > > > > November 19, 2009 | 12:14 PM
> > > > > > > > A well-known Long Island business advocate pitched the benefits
of superconducting magnetic-levitation trains for the local economy to Suffolk
lawmakers Friday.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Maglev trains, as they are known, hover above magnetized tracks
along which they are propelled at speeds of up to 300 miles per hour. The latest
maglev technology can accelerate a train from 0 to 60 miles per hour in 11
seconds, and stop it faster than conventional trains through instant reversal of
the magnetic pulses pushing the vehicle, according to Long Island Metro Business
Action President Ernie Fazio, now also a spokesman for the private concern
Maglev 2000. Fazio promoted the company's transportation system before the
Suffolk Legislature's Economic Development, Higher Education and Energy
Committee at the invitation of its chairman, Legislator Wayne Horsley
(D-Babylon).
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The concept, developed at Brookhaven National Laboratory in 1966
by Long Island scientists Gordon Danby of Wading River and James Powell of
Shoreham, has been extensively employed in Asia, Fazio said. Maglev 2000 is
Danby and Powell's firm.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > In a partnership with the Town of Riverhead, Maglev 2000 is
pursuing $59 million in federal stimulus funding to demonstrate the technology
on three miles of unused Grumman track in Calverton in order to certify it for
commercial use, he said. Second generation maglev technology suspends trains
four to six and a half inches over the track, making the system "impervious to
ice and snow," according to Fazio.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > If implemented nationwide, maglev trains could render obsolete
long-distance truck delivery, and even compete with airlines, conveying
passengers and freight from East to West coasts in a single day, Fazio told
lawmakers. Transportation costs are also potentially lower, with Maglev 2000
projecting a freight expense of $.07 per ton mile versus $.27 per ton mile via
truck, he said.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > In addition to new routes across the state and country,
conventional rail on Long Island could be adapted to high-speed maglev
relatively easily by outfitting existing trains with magnetic pads, according to
the spokesman. Further, as the site of the technology's invention and testing,
Fazio would also like to see Long Island become its manufacturing center.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Fazio's pitch was less of a request for funding than a glimpse
of what may come, as he said Maglev 2000 plans to fully fund its transportation
systems privately. Unlike conventional rail in the U.S., most of which is public
or relies on government funding to survive, the high-speed freight service would
make freestanding maglev enterprises economically viable, Fazio maintained.
"This can operate without subsidy because its profitability in freight is so
great," he said.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > However, he is seeking government support to attract the
potential maglev manufacturing firms to locate on the Island. "I don't want Long
Island to miss out on the opportunity to build this," Fazio said. "I just think
it's tens of thousands of jobs."
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > While impressed with maglev's potential, county lawmakers
questioned its applicability for Long Island rail transportation. Citing the
technology's emphasis on high speeds, Legislator Vivian Viloria-Fisher (D-Port
Jefferson) asked, "Would this be practical for a place like Long Island where we
have so many stops?" Maglev trains would not have to travel at maximum speeds in
order to improve upon the Long Island Railroad commute, Fazio responded,
highlighting among other benefits the new technology's resistance to bad-weather
delays and related expenses.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > From:
http://www.northshoreoflongisland.com/Articles-i-2009-11-19-82189.112114-sub_LIM\
BA_prez_pitches_maglev_train_system.html
> > > > > > > > ====================
> > > > > > > > Hey - no more "slip and slide" ...
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

#29371

From: "mrbeach602" <mrbeach602@...>
Date: Fri Nov 20, 2009 7:27 pm
Subject: Re: ESA - nothing for CT?

mrbeach602

Offline

speaking of njt,

how come they always seem to be one to three steps ahead of the lirr? i walked
thru their section at penn yesterday and exited thru their portal at 7th and
31st. very nice-new,clean,state of the art.

--- In LIRRCommuters@yahoogroups.com, "william_f_joseph" <william_f_joseph@...>
wrote:
>
> This opinion piece is clearly one-sided. I guess all opinion pieces are.
>
> On the surface, the author is attempting to point out that this money should
be spent to help Connecticut commuters, and that ESA is clearly a boondoggle.
>
> I firmly disagree.
>
> First, this author mentions that the only reason for the East Side Access
project is to give Long Island riders better access to midtown. While
technically true, ESA is much more than that. It also means getting people off
the subways, as hopefully this will allow more commuters to arrive closer to
their destinations. That would means that the subways could handle more people,
including more people from Connecticut.
>
> It will give people form Long Island some redundancy, as currently a stalled
train on one of the four tracks into Penn can mean huge delays for the largest
commuter railroad in US (LIRR), the fourth largest commuter railroad in the US
(NJT), and the national passenger railroad (Amtrak).
>
> The author also fails to mention the NJT initiative to add more space to Penn,
which in addition to the ESA may indeed allow MN trains to arrive at Penn one
day. Nor was there any mention of the Second Avenue subway, which would also
help relieve congestion.
>
> His statement about Connecticut commuters paying the bills is somewhat
interesting as well. How many Connecticut counties are paying the MTA payroll
tax? Funny 26% of Metro-North customers are from Connecticut, yet I do not
remember Connecticut paying a penny towards the MTA bailout.
>
> The region does need a major transportation plan. Unfortunately, special
interests and not real need tend to steer the projects around here.
>
>
> --- In LIRRCommuters@yahoogroups.com, LIRR Commuters Community <yomf@> wrote:
> >
> > Cameron: The MTA’s big dig won't help Connecticut
> >
> > Written by Jim Cameron
> > Tuesday, 17 November 2009 10:15
> >
> > We all know what happened when Boston decided to bury its downtown elevated
interstate highway, known as the central artery. What was intended to be a
seven-year, $2.5 billion project became a 10-year, $14.6 billion engineering
nightmare.
> >
> > Well, heads up fellow commuters and taxpayers! New York’s Metropolitan
Transportation Authority, or MTA, (parent of Metro-North Railroad) has similar
designs on our beloved Grand Central. Nicknamed the “East Side Access”
project, the goal is to bring the Long Island Railroad into Grand Central.
> >
> > The plan would use the lower level of the already built 63rd Street subway
tunnel, allowing some Long Island trains from Queens to enter Manhattan and then
follow a new, very deep tunnel under existing Metro-North tracks beneath Park
Avenue. Trains would terminate 14 stories under Grand Central on eight tracks
with up to 24 trains arriving per hour. Exiting passengers �" an estimated
162,000 per day (compared with the 115,000 who arrive and depart from
Connecticut) �" would be whisked upward on high speed escalators, to the west
side of Grand Central, into an underground concourse complex stretching from
43rd to 48th streets.
> >
> > The estimated cost for the project �" $8 billion �" is about the same as
rebuilding the entire World Trade Center complex. Actual cost, factoring in
inevitable delays (they’re already a year behind schedule), cost over-runs and
typical under-estimation by politically sensitive designers �" who knows, maybe
double that? And for what gain?
> >
> > The only reason for the East Side Access project is to give Long Island
riders better access to midtown. Is the subway ride connection from Penn Station
to Grand Central really all that bad? Imagine what we could do with $8 billion
to improve commuter rail service in the tri-state region.
> >
> > What would an almost doubling of passengers in Grand Central (by adding Long
Island riders to existing Metro-North riders) mean for Connecticut commuters?
Well, if you think the station’s crowded now, you ain’t seen nuthin’ yet.
And just imagine the already jam-packed Lexington Avenue subway station with
even more riders!
> >
> > The currently under-utilized Grand Central would quickly be maxed out for
trains and platforms, making much-needed expansion of service to Connecticut a
real problem.
> >
> > True, diverting some Long Island trains into Grand Central might free-up
“slots” in Penn Station for Metro-North trains (which would travel there by
way of the Hell Gate Bridge), but don’t count on it, what with New Jersey
Transit, Amtrak and Long Island Rail Road also vying for more trains in Penn
Station.
> >
> > If all of this concerns you, don’t get your knickers in a knot. There’s
nothing you can do to stop it. The money’s already been appropriated and the
project should be finished in 2015.
> >
> > What role did Connecticut play in this boondoggle? Zero. Nada. Zilch. New
York’s MTA didn’t ask our opinion or seek our approval. Though the
Connecticut Department of Transportation is Metro-North’s biggest customer,
our state still has no seat, no vote and no say on the MTA or Metro-North
boards. Gov. Rell said she’d change that, but never did.
> >
> > Connecticut commuters pay the bills and New York’s MTA calls the tune,
building a really “big dig” that benefits Long Island but penalizes us.
What’s wrong with this picture?
> >
> > For more info on the East Side Access project, see
mta.nyc.ny.us/capconstr/esas/index.html
> >
> > From:
http://www.acorn-online.com/joomla15/darientimes/opinion/41985-cameron-the-mtas-\
big-dig-wont-help-connecticut.html
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>

#29370

From: "lingcat_2000" <phurrballe@...>
Date: Fri Nov 20, 2009 7:08 pm
Subject: Re: LIRR - maglev ??

lingcat_2000

Offline

MJ/YOMF - I agree they should open more stations too, the reasoning you both
present is sound,  but put them in areas where there are considerable gaps of
no-service. Off the top of my head I cannot provide an example since my frame of
reference is the Montauk Branch, Sayville and West, and sometimes Ronk branch 
but the situation between WH and Hempstead Gardens seems a bit like overkill.
There could be some town residency issues that I am not considering and
certainly I am only going by what Phil and Casey posted since I have not seen
this area, but excluding that, it just appears to be like oversatuaration in one
small area.

I am not sure I agree that running time would not be impacted positively if
these 2 stations were combined. Again, my beliefs are speaking only from posts
here so you guys might know better based on your familiarity with that area.

--- In LIRRCommuters@yahoogroups.com, "yomf" <yomf@...> wrote:
>
> I agree, the LIRR should be opening more stations.
>
> The closing and consolidation of stations over the decades has not improved
boarding time (or running time) at all.
>
> It has removed (closed) local stations that people could walk to and has
created parking problems at the consolidated stations.
>
>
>
> --- In LIRRCommuters@yahoogroups.com, "Michael B. Justice" <mbj@> wrote:
> >
> > I don't think the LIRR should be closing any stations. If anything, they
could expand service by re-opening a few stations.
> >
> > MJ
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: "mrbeach602" <mrbeach602@>
> > Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 18:27:35
> > To: <LIRRCommuters@yahoogroups.com>
> > Subject: [LIRRCommuters] Re: LIRR - maglev ??
> >
> > ling,
> >
> > im sure that there are quite a few LIRR stations that could be closed or
turned into part-time stations.
> >
> > case in point- the centre avenue station in east rockaway. its only 2 min
from lynbrook,3 min from east rockaway,and has little available parking. but
lots of luck trying to get it-or any station-closed these days,even if the
change would benefit most commuters.
> >
> > --- In LIRRCommuters@yahoogroups.com, "lingcat_2000" <phurrballe@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Good Lord - how close are these two stations anyway if you can see one
while at the other? Can't they save $$$ by closing one and combining the two?
> > >
> > > --- In LIRRCommuters@yahoogroups.com, casey_jones_vi <no_reply@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > so what happened? what was wrong and how did they fix it? how long were
you stuck for?  too bad they couldn't just put a ladder down and let you walk to
west hempstead.  you can see it from hempstead gardens anyway.
> > > >
> > > > --- In LIRRCommuters@yahoogroups.com, "Philip L" <phil_yanks@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > What I meant was referring to a few times where I was stuck on an M7
or M1/M3 and was told by conductor or engineer that you cannot "couple" them
together.  I remember vividly being stuck between Hempstead Gardens and West
Hempstead on a dead train.  It was an old M1/M3 and we could SEE the M7 at the
WH station.  When some forward-thinking passengers said, "Hey, why can't that
train pull up to this one and at least get us home"?  The conductor said, "Nope,
they can't be coupled.  And, if they pull up togeteher, they're too far apart
for you to walk, it's a safety hazard".
> > > > >
> > > > > I bet the Fail Road can get a train to float before they can have a
month full of commutes with no problems.
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In LIRRCommuters@yahoogroups.com, "yomf" <yomf@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Perhaps he should have said near-impossible or perhaps the reference
was to using a mixed M1/M3 and M7 consist in one train.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Even with common knuckles it is very rarely done.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In LIRRCommuters@yahoogroups.com, casey_jones_vi <no_reply@>
wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Incorrect, it is not impossible to couple an M1/M3 to an M7 or to
a dual mode train for that matter.  all the M7's and Diesal's carry something
called a "Compromise Coupler" in the event that they would need to hitch up to a
dead M1/M3/Dual Mode train and tow it somewhere.  this compromise coupler allows
two normally incompatible couplers to be able to connect through an intermediate
device.
> > > > > > > It's also not impossible to add more slots, if you build more
tracks they will come (they being the additional trains, not dead baseball
players).
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In LIRRCommuters@yahoogroups.com, "Philip L" <phil_yanks@>
wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > If it's "IMPOSSIBLE" to couple an M1/M3 to an M7 in an emergency
and it's IMPOSSIBLE to add more slots, etc HOW THE HELL CAN THEY ADD MAGNETIC
PADS TO THE TRAINS TO MAKE THEM FLOAT?!
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > They can't even run the damn system that they have well...
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Jeez! Pie in the sky...he obviously doesn't ride the Fail Road
regularly...
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --- In LIRRCommuters@yahoogroups.com, LIRR Commuters Community
<yomf@> wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > LIMBA prez pitches maglev train system
> > > > > > > > > Cheap speed in all weather, Fazio says; build 'em here, too
> > > > > > > > > By Joe Darrow
> > > > > > > > > November 19, 2009 | 12:14 PM
> > > > > > > > > A well-known Long Island business advocate pitched the
benefits of superconducting magnetic-levitation trains for the local economy to
Suffolk lawmakers Friday.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Maglev trains, as they are known, hover above magnetized
tracks along which they are propelled at speeds of up to 300 miles per hour. The
latest maglev technology can accelerate a train from 0 to 60 miles per hour in
11 seconds, and stop it faster than conventional trains through instant reversal
of the magnetic pulses pushing the vehicle, according to Long Island Metro
Business Action President Ernie Fazio, now also a spokesman for the private
concern Maglev 2000. Fazio promoted the company's transportation system before
the Suffolk Legislature's Economic Development, Higher Education and Energy
Committee at the invitation of its chairman, Legislator Wayne Horsley
(D-Babylon).
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > The concept, developed at Brookhaven National Laboratory in
1966 by Long Island scientists Gordon Danby of Wading River and James Powell of
Shoreham, has been extensively employed in Asia, Fazio said. Maglev 2000 is
Danby and Powell's firm.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > In a partnership with the Town of Riverhead, Maglev 2000 is
pursuing $59 million in federal stimulus funding to demonstrate the technology
on three miles of unused Grumman track in Calverton in order to certify it for
commercial use, he said. Second generation maglev technology suspends trains
four to six and a half inches over the track, making the system "impervious to
ice and snow," according to Fazio.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > If implemented nationwide, maglev trains could render obsolete
long-distance truck delivery, and even compete with airlines, conveying
passengers and freight from East to West coasts in a single day, Fazio told
lawmakers. Transportation costs are also potentially lower, with Maglev 2000
projecting a freight expense of $.07 per ton mile versus $.27 per ton mile via
truck, he said.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > In addition to new routes across the state and country,
conventional rail on Long Island could be adapted to high-speed maglev
relatively easily by outfitting existing trains with magnetic pads, according to
the spokesman. Further, as the site of the technology's invention and testing,
Fazio would also like to see Long Island become its manufacturing center.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Fazio's pitch was less of a request for funding than a glimpse
of what may come, as he said Maglev 2000 plans to fully fund its transportation
systems privately. Unlike conventional rail in the U.S., most of which is public
or relies on government funding to survive, the high-speed freight service would
make freestanding maglev enterprises economically viable, Fazio maintained.
"This can operate without subsidy because its profitability in freight is so
great," he said.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > However, he is seeking government support to attract the
potential maglev manufacturing firms to locate on the Island. "I don't want Long
Island to miss out on the opportunity to build this," Fazio said. "I just think
it's tens of thousands of jobs."
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > While impressed with maglev's potential, county lawmakers
questioned its applicability for Long Island rail transportation. Citing the
technology's emphasis on high speeds, Legislator Vivian Viloria-Fisher (D-Port
Jefferson) asked, "Would this be practical for a place like Long Island where we
have so many stops?" Maglev trains would not have to travel at maximum speeds in
order to improve upon the Long Island Railroad commute, Fazio responded,
highlighting among other benefits the new technology's resistance to bad-weather
delays and related expenses.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > From:
http://www.northshoreoflongisland.com/Articles-i-2009-11-19-82189.112114-sub_LIM\
BA_prez_pitches_maglev_train_system.html
> > > > > > > > > ====================
> > > > > > > > > Hey - no more "slip and slide" ...
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>

#29369

From: "yomf" <yomf@...>
Date: Fri Nov 20, 2009 6:43 pm
Subject: Re: LIRR - maglev ??

yomf

Offline

I agree, the LIRR should be opening more stations.

The closing and consolidation of stations over the decades has not improved
boarding time (or running time) at all.

It has removed (closed) local stations that people could walk to and has created
parking problems at the consolidated stations.



--- In LIRRCommuters@yahoogroups.com, "Michael B. Justice" <mbj@...> wrote:
>
> I don't think the LIRR should be closing any stations. If anything, they could
expand service by re-opening a few stations.
>
> MJ
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "mrbeach602" <mrbeach602@...>
> Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 18:27:35
> To: <LIRRCommuters@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: [LIRRCommuters] Re: LIRR - maglev ??
>
> ling,
>
> im sure that there are quite a few LIRR stations that could be closed or
turned into part-time stations.
>
> case in point- the centre avenue station in east rockaway. its only 2 min from
lynbrook,3 min from east rockaway,and has little available parking. but lots of
luck trying to get it-or any station-closed these days,even if the change would
benefit most commuters.
>
> --- In LIRRCommuters@yahoogroups.com, "lingcat_2000" <phurrballe@> wrote:
> >
> > Good Lord - how close are these two stations anyway if you can see one while
at the other? Can't they save $$$ by closing one and combining the two?
> >
> > --- In LIRRCommuters@yahoogroups.com, casey_jones_vi <no_reply@> wrote:
> > >
> > > so what happened? what was wrong and how did they fix it? how long were
you stuck for?  too bad they couldn't just put a ladder down and let you walk to
west hempstead.  you can see it from hempstead gardens anyway.
> > >
> > > --- In LIRRCommuters@yahoogroups.com, "Philip L" <phil_yanks@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > What I meant was referring to a few times where I was stuck on an M7 or
M1/M3 and was told by conductor or engineer that you cannot "couple" them
together.  I remember vividly being stuck between Hempstead Gardens and West
Hempstead on a dead train.  It was an old M1/M3 and we could SEE the M7 at the
WH station.  When some forward-thinking passengers said, "Hey, why can't that
train pull up to this one and at least get us home"?  The conductor said, "Nope,
they can't be coupled.  And, if they pull up togeteher, they're too far apart
for you to walk, it's a safety hazard".
> > > >
> > > > I bet the Fail Road can get a train to float before they can have a
month full of commutes with no problems.
> > > >
> > > > --- In LIRRCommuters@yahoogroups.com, "yomf" <yomf@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Perhaps he should have said near-impossible or perhaps the reference
was to using a mixed M1/M3 and M7 consist in one train.
> > > > >
> > > > > Even with common knuckles it is very rarely done.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In LIRRCommuters@yahoogroups.com, casey_jones_vi <no_reply@>
wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Incorrect, it is not impossible to couple an M1/M3 to an M7 or to a
dual mode train for that matter.  all the M7's and Diesal's carry something
called a "Compromise Coupler" in the event that they would need to hitch up to a
dead M1/M3/Dual Mode train and tow it somewhere.  this compromise coupler allows
two normally incompatible couplers to be able to connect through an intermediate
device.
> > > > > > It's also not impossible to add more slots, if you build more tracks
they will come (they being the additional trains, not dead baseball players).
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In LIRRCommuters@yahoogroups.com, "Philip L" <phil_yanks@>
wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > If it's "IMPOSSIBLE" to couple an M1/M3 to an M7 in an emergency
and it's IMPOSSIBLE to add more slots, etc HOW THE HELL CAN THEY ADD MAGNETIC
PADS TO THE TRAINS TO MAKE THEM FLOAT?!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > They can't even run the damn system that they have well...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Jeez! Pie in the sky...he obviously doesn't ride the Fail Road
regularly...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In LIRRCommuters@yahoogroups.com, LIRR Commuters Community
<yomf@> wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > LIMBA prez pitches maglev train system
> > > > > > > > Cheap speed in all weather, Fazio says; build 'em here, too
> > > > > > > > By Joe Darrow
> > > > > > > > November 19, 2009 | 12:14 PM
> > > > > > > > A well-known Long Island business advocate pitched the benefits
of superconducting magnetic-levitation trains for the local economy to Suffolk
lawmakers Friday.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Maglev trains, as they are known, hover above magnetized tracks
along which they are propelled at speeds of up to 300 miles per hour. The latest
maglev technology can accelerate a train from 0 to 60 miles per hour in 11
seconds, and stop it faster than conventional trains through instant reversal of
the magnetic pulses pushing the vehicle, according to Long Island Metro Business
Action President Ernie Fazio, now also a spokesman for the private concern
Maglev 2000. Fazio promoted the company's transportation system before the
Suffolk Legislature's Economic Development, Higher Education and Energy
Committee at the invitation of its chairman, Legislator Wayne Horsley
(D-Babylon).
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The concept, developed at Brookhaven National Laboratory in 1966
by Long Island scientists Gordon Danby of Wading River and James Powell of
Shoreham, has been extensively employed in Asia, Fazio said. Maglev 2000 is
Danby and Powell's firm.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > In a partnership with the Town of Riverhead, Maglev 2000 is
pursuing $59 million in federal stimulus funding to demonstrate the technology
on three miles of unused Grumman track in Calverton in order to certify it for
commercial use, he said. Second generation maglev technology suspends trains
four to six and a half inches over the track, making the system "impervious to
ice and snow," according to Fazio.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > If implemented nationwide, maglev trains could render obsolete
long-distance truck delivery, and even compete with airlines, conveying
passengers and freight from East to West coasts in a single day, Fazio told
lawmakers. Transportation costs are also potentially lower, with Maglev 2000
projecting a freight expense of $.07 per ton mile versus $.27 per ton mile via
truck, he said.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > In addition to new routes across the state and country,
conventional rail on Long Island could be adapted to high-speed maglev
relatively easily by outfitting existing trains with magnetic pads, according to
the spokesman. Further, as the site of the technology's invention and testing,
Fazio would also like to see Long Island become its manufacturing center.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Fazio's pitch was less of a request for funding than a glimpse
of what may come, as he said Maglev 2000 plans to fully fund its transportation
systems privately. Unlike conventional rail in the U.S., most of which is public
or relies on government funding to survive, the high-speed freight service would
make freestanding maglev enterprises economically viable, Fazio maintained.
"This can operate without subsidy because its profitability in freight is so
great," he said.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > However, he is seeking government support to attract the
potential maglev manufacturing firms to locate on the Island. "I don't want Long
Island to miss out on the opportunity to build this," Fazio said. "I just think
it's tens of thousands of jobs."
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > While impressed with maglev's potential, county lawmakers
questioned its applicability for Long Island rail transportation. Citing the
technology's emphasis on high speeds, Legislator Vivian Viloria-Fisher (D-Port
Jefferson) asked, "Would this be practical for a place like Long Island where we
have so many stops?" Maglev trains would not have to travel at maximum speeds in
order to improve upon the Long Island Railroad commute, Fazio responded,
highlighting among other benefits the new technology's resistance to bad-weather
delays and related expenses.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > From:
http://www.northshoreoflongisland.com/Articles-i-2009-11-19-82189.112114-sub_LIM\
BA_prez_pitches_maglev_train_system.html
> > > > > > > > ====================
> > > > > > > > Hey - no more "slip and slide" ...
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
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>

#29368

From: "Michael B. Justice" <mbj@...>
Date: Fri Nov 20, 2009 6:37 pm
Subject: Re: Re: LIRR - maglev ??

michael_b_ju...

Offline

I don't think the LIRR should be closing any stations. If anything, they could
expand service by re-opening a few stations.

MJ
-----Original Message-----
From: "mrbeach602" <mrbeach602@...>
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 18:27:35
To: <LIRRCommuters@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [LIRRCommuters] Re: LIRR - maglev ??

ling,

im sure that there are quite a few LIRR stations that could be closed or turned
into part-time stations.

case in point- the centre avenue station in east rockaway. its only 2 min from
lynbrook,3 min from east rockaway,and has little available parking. but lots of
luck trying to get it-or any station-closed these days,even if the change would
benefit most commuters.

--- In LIRRCommuters@yahoogroups.com, "lingcat_2000" <phurrballe@...> wrote:
>
> Good Lord - how close are these two stations anyway if you can see one while
at the other? Can't they save $$$ by closing one and combining the two?
>
> --- In LIRRCommuters@yahoogroups.com, casey_jones_vi <no_reply@> wrote:
> >
> > so what happened? what was wrong and how did they fix it? how long were you
stuck for?  too bad they couldn't just put a ladder down and let you walk to
west hempstead.  you can see it from hempstead gardens anyway.
> >
> > --- In LIRRCommuters@yahoogroups.com, "Philip L" <phil_yanks@> wrote:
> > >
> > > What I meant was referring to a few times where I was stuck on an M7 or
M1/M3 and was told by conductor or engineer that you cannot "couple" them
together.  I remember vividly being stuck between Hempstead Gardens and West
Hempstead on a dead train.  It was an old M1/M3 and we could SEE the M7 at the
WH station.  When some forward-thinking passengers said, "Hey, why can't that
train pull up to this one and at least get us home"?  The conductor said, "Nope,
they can't be coupled.  And, if they pull up togeteher, they're too far apart
for you to walk, it's a safety hazard".
> > >
> > > I bet the Fail Road can get a train to float before they can have a month
full of commutes with no problems.
> > >
> > > --- In LIRRCommuters@yahoogroups.com, "yomf" <yomf@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Perhaps he should have said near-impossible or perhaps the reference was
to using a mixed M1/M3 and M7 consist in one train.
> > > >
> > > > Even with common knuckles it is very rarely done.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In LIRRCommuters@yahoogroups.com, casey_jones_vi <no_reply@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Incorrect, it is not impossible to couple an M1/M3 to an M7 or to a
dual mode train for that matter.  all the M7's and Diesal's carry something
called a "Compromise Coupler" in the event that they would need to hitch up to a
dead M1/M3/Dual Mode train and tow it somewhere.  this compromise coupler allows
two normally incompatible couplers to be able to connect through an intermediate
device.
> > > > > It's also not impossible to add more slots, if you build more tracks
they will come (they being the additional trains, not dead baseball players).
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In LIRRCommuters@yahoogroups.com, "Philip L" <phil_yanks@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > If it's "IMPOSSIBLE" to couple an M1/M3 to an M7 in an emergency and
it's IMPOSSIBLE to add more slots, etc HOW THE HELL CAN THEY ADD MAGNETIC PADS
TO THE TRAINS TO MAKE THEM FLOAT?!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > They can't even run the damn system that they have well...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Jeez! Pie in the sky...he obviously doesn't ride the Fail Road
regularly...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In LIRRCommuters@yahoogroups.com, LIRR Commuters Community
<yomf@> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > LIMBA prez pitches maglev train system
> > > > > > > Cheap speed in all weather, Fazio says; build 'em here, too
> > > > > > > By Joe Darrow
> > > > > > > November 19, 2009 | 12:14 PM
> > > > > > > A well-known Long Island business advocate pitched the benefits of
superconducting magnetic-levitation trains for the local economy to Suffolk
lawmakers Friday.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Maglev trains, as they are known, hover above magnetized tracks
along which they are propelled at speeds of up to 300 miles per hour. The latest
maglev technology can accelerate a train from 0 to 60 miles per hour in 11
seconds, and stop it faster than conventional trains through instant reversal of
the magnetic pulses pushing the vehicle, according to Long Island Metro Business
Action President Ernie Fazio, now also a spokesman for the private concern
Maglev 2000. Fazio promoted the company's transportation system before the
Suffolk Legislature's Economic Development, Higher Education and Energy
Committee at the invitation of its chairman, Legislator Wayne Horsley
(D-Babylon).
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The concept, developed at Brookhaven National Laboratory in 1966
by Long Island scientists Gordon Danby of Wading River and James Powell of
Shoreham, has been extensively employed in Asia, Fazio said. Maglev 2000 is
Danby and Powell's firm.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > In a partnership with the Town of Riverhead, Maglev 2000 is
pursuing $59 million in federal stimulus funding to demonstrate the technology
on three miles of unused Grumman track in Calverton in order to certify it for
commercial use, he said. Second generation maglev technology suspends trains
four to six and a half inches over the track, making the system "impervious to
ice and snow," according to Fazio.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > If implemented nationwide, maglev trains could render obsolete
long-distance truck delivery, and even compete with airlines, conveying
passengers and freight from East to West coasts in a single day, Fazio told
lawmakers. Transportation costs are also potentially lower, with Maglev 2000
projecting a freight expense of $.07 per ton mile versus $.27 per ton mile via
truck, he said.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > In addition to new routes across the state and country,
conventional rail on Long Island could be adapted to high-speed maglev
relatively easily by outfitting existing trains with magnetic pads, according to
the spokesman. Further, as the site of the technology's invention and testing,
Fazio would also like to see Long Island become its manufacturing center.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Fazio's pitch was less of a request for funding than a glimpse of
what may come, as he said Maglev 2000 plans to fully fund its transportation
systems privately. Unlike conventional rail in the U.S., most of which is public
or relies on government funding to survive, the high-speed freight service would
make freestanding maglev enterprises economically viable, Fazio maintained.
"This can operate without subsidy because its profitability in freight is so
great," he said.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > However, he is seeking government support to attract the potential
maglev manufacturing firms to locate on the Island. "I don't want Long Island to
miss out on the opportunity to build this," Fazio said. "I just think it's tens
of thousands of jobs."
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > While impressed with maglev's potential, county lawmakers
questioned its applicability for Long Island rail transportation. Citing the
technology's emphasis on high speeds, Legislator Vivian Viloria-Fisher (D-Port
Jefferson) asked, "Would this be practical for a place like Long Island where we
have so many stops?" Maglev trains would not have to travel at maximum speeds in
order to improve upon the Long Island Railroad commute, Fazio responded,
highlighting among other benefits the new technology's resistance to bad-weather
delays and related expenses.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > From:
http://www.northshoreoflongisland.com/Articles-i-2009-11-19-82189.112114-sub_LIM\
BA_prez_pitches_maglev_train_system.html
> > > > > > > ====================
> > > > > > > Hey - no more "slip and slide" ...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>





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#29367

From: "mrbeach602" <mrbeach602@...>
Date: Fri Nov 20, 2009 6:27 pm
Subject: Re: LIRR - maglev ??

mrbeach602

Offline

ling,

im sure that there are quite a few LIRR stations that could be closed or turned
into part-time stations.

case in point- the centre avenue station in east rockaway. its only 2 min from
lynbrook,3 min from east rockaway,and has little available parking. but lots of
luck trying to get it-or any station-closed these days,even if the change would
benefit most commuters.

--- In LIRRCommuters@yahoogroups.com, "lingcat_2000" <phurrballe@...> wrote:
>
> Good Lord - how close are these two stations anyway if you can see one while
at the other? Can't they save $$$ by closing one and combining the two?
>
> --- In LIRRCommuters@yahoogroups.com, casey_jones_vi <no_reply@> wrote:
> >
> > so what happened? what was wrong and how did they fix it? how long were you
stuck for?  too bad they couldn't just put a ladder down and let you walk to
west hempstead.  you can see it from hempstead gardens anyway.
> >
> > --- In LIRRCommuters@yahoogroups.com, "Philip L" <phil_yanks@> wrote:
> > >
> > > What I meant was referring to a few times where I was stuck on an M7 or
M1/M3 and was told by conductor or engineer that you cannot "couple" them
together.  I remember vividly being stuck between Hempstead Gardens and West
Hempstead on a dead train.  It was an old M1/M3 and we could SEE the M7 at the
WH station.  When some forward-thinking passengers said, "Hey, why can't that
train pull up to this one and at least get us home"?  The conductor said, "Nope,
they can't be coupled.  And, if they pull up togeteher, they're too far apart
for you to walk, it's a safety hazard".
> > >
> > > I bet the Fail Road can get a train to float before they can have a month
full of commutes with no problems.
> > >
> > > --- In LIRRCommuters@yahoogroups.com, "yomf" <yomf@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Perhaps he should have said near-impossible or perhaps the reference was
to using a mixed M1/M3 and M7 consist in one train.
> > > >
> > > > Even with common knuckles it is very rarely done.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In LIRRCommuters@yahoogroups.com, casey_jones_vi <no_reply@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Incorrect, it is not impossible to couple an M1/M3 to an M7 or to a
dual mode train for that matter.  all the M7's and Diesal's carry something
called a "Compromise Coupler" in the event that they would need to hitch up to a
dead M1/M3/Dual Mode train and tow it somewhere.  this compromise coupler allows
two normally incompatible couplers to be able to connect through an intermediate
device.
> > > > > It's also not impossible to add more slots, if you build more tracks
they will come (they being the additional trains, not dead baseball players).
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In LIRRCommuters@yahoogroups.com, "Philip L" <phil_yanks@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > If it's "IMPOSSIBLE" to couple an M1/M3 to an M7 in an emergency and
it's IMPOSSIBLE to add more slots, etc HOW THE HELL CAN THEY ADD MAGNETIC PADS
TO THE TRAINS TO MAKE THEM FLOAT?!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > They can't even run the damn system that they have well...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Jeez! Pie in the sky...he obviously doesn't ride the Fail Road
regularly...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In LIRRCommuters@yahoogroups.com, LIRR Commuters Community
<yomf@> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > LIMBA prez pitches maglev train system
> > > > > > > Cheap speed in all weather, Fazio says; build 'em here, too
> > > > > > > By Joe Darrow
> > > > > > > November 19, 2009 | 12:14 PM
> > > > > > > A well-known Long Island business advocate pitched the benefits of
superconducting magnetic-levitation trains for the local economy to Suffolk
lawmakers Friday.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Maglev trains, as they are known, hover above magnetized tracks
along which they are propelled at speeds of up to 300 miles per hour. The latest
maglev technology can accelerate a train from 0 to 60 miles per hour in 11
seconds, and stop it faster than conventional trains through instant reversal of
the magnetic pulses pushing the vehicle, according to Long Island Metro Business
Action President Ernie Fazio, now also a spokesman for the private concern
Maglev 2000. Fazio promoted the company's transportation system before the
Suffolk Legislature's Economic Development, Higher Education and Energy
Committee at the invitation of its chairman, Legislator Wayne Horsley
(D-Babylon).
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The concept, developed at Brookhaven National Laboratory in 1966
by Long Island scientists Gordon Danby of Wading River and James Powell of
Shoreham, has been extensively employed in Asia, Fazio said. Maglev 2000 is
Danby and Powell's firm.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > In a partnership with the Town of Riverhead, Maglev 2000 is
pursuing $59 million in federal stimulus funding to demonstrate the technology
on three miles of unused Grumman track in Calverton in order to certify it for
commercial use, he said. Second generation maglev technology suspends trains
four to six and a half inches over the track, making the system "impervious to
ice and snow," according to Fazio.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > If implemented nationwide, maglev trains could render obsolete
long-distance truck delivery, and even compete with airlines, conveying
passengers and freight from East to West coasts in a single day, Fazio told
lawmakers. Transportation costs are also potentially lower, with Maglev 2000
projecting a freight expense of $.07 per ton mile versus $.27 per ton mile via
truck, he said.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > In addition to new routes across the state and country,
conventional rail on Long Island could be adapted to high-speed maglev
relatively easily by outfitting existing trains with magnetic pads, according to
the spokesman. Further, as the site of the technology's invention and testing,
Fazio would also like to see Long Island become its manufacturing center.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Fazio's pitch was less of a request for funding than a glimpse of
what may come, as he said Maglev 2000 plans to fully fund its transportation
systems privately. Unlike conventional rail in the U.S., most of which is public
or relies on government funding to survive, the high-speed freight service would
make freestanding maglev enterprises economically viable, Fazio maintained.
"This can operate without subsidy because its profitability in freight is so
great," he said.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > However, he is seeking government support to attract the potential
maglev manufacturing firms to locate on the Island. "I don't want Long Island to
miss out on the opportunity to build this," Fazio said. "I just think it's tens
of thousands of jobs."
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > While impressed with maglev's potential, county lawmakers
questioned its applicability for Long Island rail transportation. Citing the
technology's emphasis on high speeds, Legislator Vivian Viloria-Fisher (D-Port
Jefferson) asked, "Would this be practical for a place like Long Island where we
have so many stops?" Maglev trains would not have to travel at maximum speeds in
order to improve upon the Long Island Railroad commute, Fazio responded,
highlighting among other benefits the new technology's resistance to bad-weather
delays and related expenses.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > From:
http://www.northshoreoflongisland.com/Articles-i-2009-11-19-82189.112114-sub_LIM\
BA_prez_pitches_maglev_train_system.html
> > > > > > > ====================
> > > > > > > Hey - no more "slip and slide" ...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

#29366

From: mailsales615@...
Date: Fri Nov 20, 2009 1:16 pm
Subject: Re: Re: LIRR - maglev ??

cook615

Offline

They can't get the money or the space to build the third track. What the
fuxk is it that you people smoke that makes you think that maglev will ever
replace the LIRR?


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