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Re: PERS Statements for Hire and Membership Dates

--- In PERS_Oregon_Discussion@yahoogroups.com, "mrfearless47" <mrfearless47@...>
wrote:
>
> --- In PERS_Oregon_Discussion@yahoogroups.com, Gary <garys@> wrote:
> >
> > Any idea why the governor (I would usually capitalize the word Governor
> > but not for this one) has a problem with the bill? Surely he must have
> > substantive reasons for doing so! I'd like to know what they are?
> >
> > Gary
> >
>
> His substantive reasons are not known, but I would hazard a guess that he is
taking his information from PERS and not the unions. PERS argues that (in whiny
voice) "it costs too much" to implement the measures that would guarantee better
accuracy. I call BS on this argument. The new computer system that just went
live and intergrates all the old systems with the new, should make this a cake
walk. The problem with inaccuracies that creep into the PERS system typically
originate with the employers and the bill has no incentive for the employers to
provide accurate information, nor any punishment for them if they do provide
inaccurate information. The burden is on PERS to find and correct these errors.
But my heart doesn't bleed for PERS. We have no way of checking our employers
contributions (either when or whether they are made), although higher education
always had several lines of the payroll that covered PERS contributions and
employee contributions to 403b plan.
>
> The Governor is just a chicken-heart at his core. This "democrat" is, in my
opinion, a "demoncrap".
>
> mrf
>

*******************************

I agree with Marc's assessment. I also speculate that, as a major player in
earlier PERS reform, he doesn't see the need for further reform. This is pure
speculation on my part. I *do* think that a part of his stance is that he
appointed every member of the current PERS Board so he is backing their position
in resisting this bill.

peg




Thu Jul 9, 2009 7:32 pm

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Hello, I was hired March 16, 1979 and all my PERS Annual Statements state, First PERS hire date of March 16, 1979 and Membership date of March 16, 1979. On my...
pushback54
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Jul 6, 2009
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... @@@ Given your start date, you are a tier one worker. I would be very surprised if you failed to retire under money match. If that is the case, number of...
greg_g_scott
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Jul 6, 2009
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... **************************** Greg has given you good information and advice, I particularly suggest you get an official estimate from PERS, review it and...
pegppeg
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Jul 6, 2009
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... %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% What is really unusual here is that pushback54's statements don't seem to show the six-month waiting period....
pgornick
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Jul 6, 2009
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... %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% My employer back paid the six months years ago when our private retirement account was not equal to or better...
pushback54
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Jul 6, 2009
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... @@@ This new information might change some previous advice. The best thing you can do is to request a retirement estimate from PERS and determine which...
greg_g_scott
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Jul 6, 2009
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Of course, in PERS we must trust (because we have no other choice). Hopefully, whatever PERS _estimates_ will be your retirement income will actually turn out...
Gary
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Jul 7, 2009
4:57 pm

... ****************************************** Even back-when PERS got their benefits half right. Before 2003 (I don't remember how many years before, but I...
pegppeg
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Jul 7, 2009
6:23 pm

Apparently it's asking too much to expect a 100% accuracy rate. However, that's exactly what I would expect given the gravity of these estimates. I also think...
Gary
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Jul 8, 2009
4:41 pm

... *************************************** Actually our elected Senators and Representatives *did* get it! Not a one of them voted against SB 897! (There...
pegppeg
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Jul 8, 2009
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Any idea why the governor (I would usually capitalize the word Governor but not for this one) has a problem with the bill? Surely he must have substantive...
Gary
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Jul 9, 2009
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... His substantive reasons are not known, but I would hazard a guess that he is taking his information from PERS and not the unions. PERS argues that (in...
mrfearless47
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Jul 9, 2009
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... ******************************* I agree with Marc's assessment. I also speculate that, as a major player in earlier PERS reform, he doesn't see the need...
pegppeg
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Jul 9, 2009
7:33 pm

I know we've beaten this dead horse before, but even if PERS' position on the bill has some validity (i.e. why should they be held accountable for the errors...
Gary
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Jul 10, 2009
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... ************************** I admit this is currently my favorite dead horse to beat! ... ************************** That is my objection in a nutshell!...
pegppeg
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Jul 10, 2009
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... The Oregonian has a "track a bill" site that is superior to the Legislature's own site. According to today's listing, SB 897 was signed by the Senate...
mrfearless47
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Jul 10, 2009
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... ***************************** Thanks for the tip about the Oregonian "track a bill" site. I've been following the list posted by the governor's office. ...
pegppeg
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Jul 10, 2009
10:11 pm

I just hope he doesn't get writer's cramp or stamp cramp, or whatever, before he gets to our bill. So, Peg, does 897 do essentially what I was proposing-make...
Gary
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