Bill, Nice overview of the problem of certifications. There some interesting twists though on this topic. (1) Holding a degree from a university des state you...
... Glen -- I was trying to distinguish between competent and not competent, so I missed the tautology. Any suggestions on how to improve the definition? I...
Bill, Agreed there are a large number of orgs that now "require" PMP for their hiring some here in Denver - no doubt they've decided it has value. As far a...
... I was looking for a suggestion about improving the definition of a competent project manager. I am familiar with a number of certifications (including some...
In my experience searching for an external definition of a competent project management adds little value to the practice of PM. It may be an invaluable...
Bill et al, My definition of a competent project manager is one who can manage projects (of any size/dimension) to a standard expected in the workplace. Such a...
Phil Rutherford
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Jan 5, 2004 10:44 pm
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If one follows the PMBOK and the PMP Role Delineation Study " a competent project manager is one who can manage a project not only by the day to day...
Angyan, Here are some problems with that definition IMO: (1) What are the metrics by which the PM manages day to day and within a broader context? Who defines...
Glen Alleman, I will agree with Bill Duncan, >> I was looking for a suggestion about improving the definition of a competent project manager.>> and will first...
Angyan, So one approach might be to look at competence from a hiring point of view. What would be an indicator of competence that I could test during an...
Glen, Two points: a. As you know results don't always count because sometimes - just sometimes - a project is successful DESPITE what the project manager did...
Phil Rutherford
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Jan 7, 2004 10:04 pm
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Phil, ... did or ... only ... you ... [GBA] I that case there's no way to know if the PM is competent. ... project ... he/she ... how ... manage ... successful...
Sorry, I forgot to add one thing: If you are looking for evidence of somebody's competence you might like to try a question similar to the following: "Can you...
Phil Rutherford
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Jan 7, 2004 10:16 pm
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Glen, Absolutely. Another benefit of going for evidence of competence rather than trying to figure it out yourself is that you are not measuring the person, ...
Phil Rutherford
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Jan 7, 2004 10:22 pm
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Glen, I, still feel that we all must agree on a clear definition. Can all of us agree that competence is based on what is delivered, even if what one can...
Angyan, The dictionary definition of competence is "The state or quality of being adequately or well qualified; ability. A specific range of skill, knowledge,...
Glen, ... This one is typical of medical registration boards the world over. IMHO it doesn't measure competence as much as it tries to limit the risk of...
Phil Rutherford
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Jan 9, 2004 2:14 am
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Phil, Thanks for the thoughtful reply...comments below Glen B. Alleman CH2M HILL Rocky Flats Environmental Technology Site glen.alleman@... ...
... We should all be careful not to confuse "A Guide to the Project Management Body of Knowledge" with Performance-Based Competency Standards such as those...
Glen, ... with firms ... PR - I have absolutely no problem with this, just so long as everyone knows that someone holding a PMP is a 'competent' project...
Phil Rutherford
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Jan 9, 2004 10:55 pm
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Glen, Thanks for the links and your views. I have reviewed in details and also seen Phil's reply in details. From the other discussions on the subject so far,...
Phil, I like the idea of "proof" of competence before receiving the certification. In AU how is this proof provided? Glen B. Alleman CH2M HILL Rocky Flats...
... Phil -- Can I assume that the above is a typo? That you meant to say "just so long as everyone knows that someone holding a PMP is NOT NECESSARILY a ...
Bill, Sorry, what I was trying to say is that there is no problem with people saying that they are competent if they hold the PMP if it is the truth. Right now...
Phil Rutherford
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Jan 13, 2004 2:16 am
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Glen, Good point. Proving competence is simple - the person claiming that he/she can do something to the level defined in the 'standards' simply has to provide...
Phil Rutherford
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Jan 13, 2004 2:25 am
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From Hal Macomber's web log, http://weblog.halmacomber.com/ http://home.businesswire.com/portal/site/google/index.jsp?ndmViewId=news ...
I had to cut and paste the longer link below to get it to work but it was well worth while. I think this is one of the more refreshing things I've read about...
Also follow the BU Training link to the PM section http://www.butrain.com/MDP/M400.asp Glen B. Alleman CH2M HILL Rocky Flats Environmental Technology Site ...
... Boston University has been pitching their competency model since the start of their project management program -- about 1988 if I recall correctly. I did a...
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