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#1 From: "pvtpoint2004" <pvtpoint@...>
Date: Fri Sep 11, 2009 5:43 pm
Subject: Hello All
pvtpoint2004
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This is Robert Giordano owner of Pivot Point Research Inc and I want
  to say thank you for joining our specialized research group.

This group was started on September 11 2009 as this date means a great deal to
me. It was on this date 8 years ago that I personally witnessed one of our
century's most horrific tragedy's first hand. Ground zero NYC was only 10 blocks
from my at that time work location.

The volunteer work done by so many of us and from so many walks of life left me
with a feeling of pure hope in the face of such distress. So for me this Group
being started on this date also gives me the feeling of great hope.

As I have poured so many weeks ,months and years into this unique study and
software I feel hopefully in some small way this site can help someone in the
face their personal struggles.

It is my hope that the people already owning the software as well as  non-owners
will be willing to volunteer some of their unique findings and research to this
specialized study group.

My overal goal for this group is to apply and test the technical forecasting
methods of history's greatest trading masters WD Gann, George Bayer, RN Elliot
and others.

Thanks Again
Robert Giordano

#2 From: "Peter Palaskas" <petros.palaskas@...>
Date: Fri Sep 11, 2009 7:15 pm
Subject: Hi Robert
peterpalaskas
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Glad to be here
 
 
 
Peter
 
 

#3 From: "pvtpoint2004" <pvtpoint@...>
Date: Fri Sep 11, 2009 9:52 pm
Subject: Re: Hi Robert
pvtpoint2004
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--- In PivotPointResearchInc@yahoogroups.com, "Peter Palaskas"
<petros.palaskas@...> wrote:
>
> Glad to be here
>
>
>
> Peter
>
Hello Peter Gald you could stop by...lol

In order to get things rolling I would love to answer any questions you may have
regarding the software.... with screen shots when possible

Thanks
Rob G

#4 From: "Peter Palaskas" <petros.palaskas@...>
Date: Fri Sep 11, 2009 10:23 pm
Subject: Re: Re: Hi Robert
peterpalaskas
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One of my first questions  when faced with Gann Grids platform,was :
 
What number should I insert in the angle for drawing a 1x4 or 4x1 Gann anlge !!
 
 
 
I
 
In both Stock and Commodity course he gives:
 
for 1x4 15 degrees and for the 4x1 75
 
15+75=90
 
 
and true angles are defined  for
 
1x4 as tan ^-1 .25 =14.03624 and for
4x1 as tan^-1 4     =75.9637
 
 
 
Havent really figured that yet
 
There is a difference when using these two
 
 
If I recall well,there was an article on Traders World on that .
 
Mystery ....
 
This is Gann
 
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 12:52 AM
Subject: [PivotPointResearchInc] Re: Hi Robert

 

--- In PivotPointResearchInc@yahoogroups.com, "Peter Palaskas" <petros.palaskas@...> wrote:
>
> Glad to be here
>
>
>
> Peter
>
Hello Peter Gald you could stop by...lol

In order to get things rolling I would love to answer any questions you may have regarding the software.... with screen shots when possible

Thanks
Rob G


#5 From: "pvtpoint2004" <pvtpoint@...>
Date: Fri Sep 11, 2009 11:37 pm
Subject: Re: Hi Robert
pvtpoint2004
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The angles discussed by Gann are what he called moving averages. When a stock
chart is set at $1.00 they move in divisions of price and time based on the
angles used.....As is stated in his courses the angles of 15 degree is = to the
angle of 1-4, and 75 degree = the angle of 4-1 moving average ......It moves up
$4.00 in 1 day or up $1 in 4 days (starting from a low)

In my opinion they are just moving averages used to figure out the amplitude of
a time cycle he figured was due.If you ever researched any of Edward Dewey's or
JM Hurst's material both used trend lines to isolate amplitude of a time
cycle.....Hurst called them his "Valid Trend Lines" and were set from tops to
other tops and from bottoms to bottoms of similar time period cycles. each trend
line used by the 2 didn't however use angles but each non the less had there own
unique angle.

Gann In my opinion combined his unique angles ( trend lines) to try and isolate
a markets turn based on his master time cycle research. However the angles
calculated in this way could just as easily move to another angle as the cycles
price amplitude could be stronger or weaker then expected. He also stated many
times throughout his works that time was the most important key to his method.

I have also noticed this in my own work....This is why many price research tools
should be tested as 1 price tool is just not strong enough to be used alone.

Also keep in mind that our software also allows its users to change around its
price scale so a 45 degree angle on a chart set at $1.00 moves $1.00 in 1 day
,$2 in 2 days $3 in 3 days ext...but If set at 50 cents 1 day is only equal to
50 cents and 2 days would be $1.00 so the 45 degree angle is actually a 1-2
angle so be careful....

Most of my angle research uses both Gann and non-Gann angles alike

Peter, in retrospect I recommend when using the Gann angles to just keep it
simple and just use the angles given by him from tops,bottoms and 0.....Then
start your research on the non Gann angles from all tops to bottoms and bottoms
to tops as the angles alone are only a very small part to this research....do
this on multiple time periods and price grid settings......eyeball and write
down the angles that means the most to the issue being researched




--- In PivotPointResearchInc@yahoogroups.com, "Peter Palaskas"
<petros.palaskas@...> wrote:
>
> One of my first questions when faced with Gann Grids platform,was :
>
> What number should I insert in the angle for drawing a 1x4 or 4x1 Gann anlge
!!
>
>
>
> I
>
> In both Stock and Commodity course he gives:
>
> for 1x4 15 degrees and for the 4x1 75
>
> 15+75=90
>
>
> and true angles are defined  for
>
> 1x4 as tan ^-1 .25 =14.03624 and for
> 4x1 as tan^-1 4     =75.9637
>
>
>
> Havent really figured that yet
>
> There is a difference when using these two
>
>
> If I recall well,there was an article on Traders World on that .
>
> Mystery ....
>
> This is Gann
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>   From: pvtpoint2004
>   To: PivotPointResearchInc@yahoogroups.com
>   Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 12:52 AM
>   Subject: [PivotPointResearchInc] Re: Hi Robert
>
>
>     --- In PivotPointResearchInc@yahoogroups.com, "Peter Palaskas"
<petros.palaskas@> wrote:
>   >
>   > Glad to be here
>   >
>   >
>   >
>   > Peter
>   >
>   Hello Peter Gald you could stop by...lol
>
>   In order to get things rolling I would love to answer any questions you may
have regarding the software.... with screen shots when possible
>
>   Thanks
>   Rob G
>

#6 From: "pvtpoint2004" <pvtpoint@...>
Date: Sat Sep 12, 2009 5:34 pm
Subject: Traders World Fall Magazine article
pvtpoint2004
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Hello All
Not sure if anyone is a subscriber to Traders World Magazine but as of this week
Larry Jacobs (the editor and publisher) will no longer be  distributing paper
magazines. As of Monday the Magazine will only be an online copy sent out to its
subscribers.

To also let everyone know a 4 page article which is part 2 of an article done
last year came out in this weeks issue. It describes the Dow's path through 2009
and early 2010 with multiple screen shots of the software in action..

If you are not a subscriber to Traders World you will not be able to view it on
his site but you can view it directly from the article section of my site
http://www.pvtpointmktres.com/articles.html

If you have any questions feel free to ask..

Thanks
Rob G

#8 From: "pvtpoint2004" <pvtpoint@...>
Date: Sun Sep 13, 2009 12:25 pm
Subject: Dow September ,October, November 2009 trend change?
pvtpoint2004
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Has anyone been doing research on the potential trend change month/s for our US
markets?......Or your local for that matter..

Im interested to hear from someone willing to share their research and technical
opinion...

#9 From: "pvtpoint2004" <pvtpoint@...>
Date: Sun Sep 13, 2009 2:14 pm
Subject: Gann Grid's Ultra Study Group on my Webpage
pvtpoint2004
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What I did was add a web page to the Pivot Point site for screen shot purposes.
what I would like to do is as questions arise a typed response will also include
a screen shot of the mentioned concept on my web site.

I feel a good idea is as i add the chart's screen to the web page I will also
give it a question reference number to go along with the web group's
questions.....

I will also include the link to the web site in each reply...

However I also enabled the attachment function as well for anyone who is also
willing to add text and charts....

Thanks
Rob G

Ps... a screen shot to Q1 has been added already.....15,45 and 75 degree angles.

This is a monthly chart set at $1.00 on a time grid of 16..or 16x16
grid...http://www.pvtpointmktres.com/ganngridsstudygroup.html

#10 From: "pvtpoint2004" <pvtpoint@...>
Date: Sun Sep 13, 2009 2:17 pm
Subject: Re: Gann Grid's Ultra Study Group on my Webpage
pvtpoint2004
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try this link

http://www.pvtpointmktres.com/ganngridsstudygroup.html



--- In PivotPointResearchInc@yahoogroups.com, "pvtpoint2004" <pvtpoint@...>
wrote:
>
> What I did was add a web page to the Pivot Point site for screen shot
purposes. what I would like to do is as questions arise a typed response will
also include a screen shot of the mentioned concept on my web site.
>
> I feel a good idea is as i add the chart's screen to the web page I will also
give it a question reference number to go along with the web group's
questions.....
>
> I will also include the link to the web site in each reply...
>
> However I also enabled the attachment function as well for anyone who is also
willing to add text and charts....
>
> Thanks
> Rob G
>
> Ps... a screen shot to Q1 has been added already.....15,45 and 75 degree
angles.
>
> This is a monthly chart set at $1.00 on a time grid of 16..or 16x16
grid...http://www.pvtpointmktres.com/ganngridsstudygroup.html
>

#11 From: "Peter Palaskas" <petros.palaskas@...>
Date: Sun Sep 13, 2009 9:05 pm
Subject: Gann Grids!
peterpalaskas
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Hi Robert ,
 
Mega question :
 
If I wanted to print the daily Dow from 1900 to 2009 ,what scale should I use ?
 
Tricky question
 
Peter
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

#12 From: Al Dina <zebra7860@...>
Date: Sun Sep 13, 2009 9:33 pm
Subject: Re: Gann Grids!
zebra7860
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I also have to say that this question is also pertinent to my research.  Any help would be appreciated, Robert.
 
Al

--- On Sun, 9/13/09, Peter Palaskas <petros.palaskas@...> wrote:

From: Peter Palaskas <petros.palaskas@...>
Subject: [PivotPointResearchInc] Gann Grids!
To: PivotPointResearchInc@yahoogroups.com
Received: Sunday, September 13, 2009, 5:05 PM

 
Hi Robert ,
 
Mega question :
 
If I wanted to print the daily Dow from 1900 to 2009 ,what scale should I use ?
 
Tricky question
 
Peter
 
 
 
 
 
 
 


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#13 From: "pvtpoint2004" <pvtpoint@...>
Date: Sun Sep 13, 2009 10:02 pm
Subject: Re: Gann Grids!
pvtpoint2004
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Hello Peter
If you wanted to view the Dow Daily chart from 1900-2009 is a tricky subject not
due to the software but due to the data range going from around 30 points-14000
and spanning 109 years.........What I recommend is to start at the beginning and
rescale the chart after it goes out of price range.

However GGU is for screen view and PC storing only ......If a print of this data
is needed you will need the "Gann Grids Print version" Gann Grids ultra only
prints screen shots.......But even with the print the best you can do is scale
the data on a larger grid setting such as 40 along with a price scale of say
25.....You will still have an enormous amount of pages to print not to mention
tape together ....I personally do not recommend it...Id say the best thing to do
is use a printout of monthly charts

this is only 1308 bits of data rather then 39812....(109 years)

--- In PivotPointResearchInc@yahoogroups.com, "Peter Palaskas"
<petros.palaskas@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Robert ,
>
> Mega question :
>
> If I wanted to print the daily Dow from 1900 to 2009 ,what scale should I use
?
>
> Tricky question
>
> Peter
>

#14 From: "Greg Palmer" <Ozzygreg@...>
Date: Sun Sep 13, 2009 10:20 pm
Subject: RE: Re: Gann Grids!
greg_palmer2003
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Hi Guys,
I cannot comment on the scale question as I am grappling with that myself. I
use GannGrids Print for all of my paper charts and I have found it to be
very very good. I do not print to a printer but to a PDF file. I set the PDF
file up to be A0 size (I know this is not the same in the US and I think the
US uses "B" sizes)
I then email the PDF file to my local architectural printing company or Copy
Print office and they print out the large scale plots. All I then need to do
is glue together pages that are 1200 x 850 mm (48 x 35 inches) I only do
Black and white since the Colour plots are around $25 and the B&W $4.5.
I used to have a very expensive colour banner printer so I could print long
plots. Worked OK but I still had to join long plots of 400 mm wide together.
Very laborious and painful. Using GG is much better.

Greg

-----Original Message-----
From: PivotPointResearchInc@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:PivotPointResearchInc@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of pvtpoint2004
Sent: Monday, 14 September 2009 8:03 AM
To: PivotPointResearchInc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PivotPointResearchInc] Re: Gann Grids!

Hello Peter
If you wanted to view the Dow Daily chart from 1900-2009 is a tricky subject
not due to the software but due to the data range going from around 30
points-14000 and spanning 109 years.........What I recommend is to start at
the beginning and rescale the chart after it goes out of price range.

However GGU is for screen view and PC storing only ......If a print of this
data is needed you will need the "Gann Grids Print version" Gann Grids ultra
only prints screen shots.......But even with the print the best you can do
is scale the data on a larger grid setting such as 40 along with a price
scale of say 25.....You will still have an enormous amount of pages to print
not to mention tape together ....I personally do not recommend it...Id say
the best thing to do is use a printout of monthly charts

this is only 1308 bits of data rather then 39812....(109 years)

--- In PivotPointResearchInc@yahoogroups.com, "Peter Palaskas"
<petros.palaskas@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Robert ,
>
> Mega question :
>
> If I wanted to print the daily Dow from 1900 to 2009 ,what scale should I
use ?
>
> Tricky question
>
> Peter
>




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#15 From: "Peter Palaskas" <petros.palaskas@...>
Date: Sun Sep 13, 2009 10:28 pm
Subject: Re: Re: Gann Grids!
peterpalaskas
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Robert I was speaking theoretically of course
 
What would you put for a monthly chart of dow ?
 
 
 
 
 ----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 1:02 AM
Subject: [PivotPointResearchInc] Re: Gann Grids!

 

Hello Peter
If you wanted to view the Dow Daily chart from 1900-2009 is a tricky subject not due to the software but due to the data range going from around 30 points-14000 and spanning 109 years.........What I recommend is to start at the beginning and rescale the chart after it goes out of price range.

However GGU is for screen view and PC storing only ......If a print of this data is needed you will need the "Gann Grids Print version" Gann Grids ultra only prints screen shots.......But even with the print the best you can do is scale the data on a larger grid setting such as 40 along with a price scale of say 25.....You will still have an enormous amount of pages to print not to mention tape together ....I personally do not recommend it...Id say the best thing to do is use a printout of monthly charts

this is only 1308 bits of data rather then 39812....(109 years)

--- In PivotPointResearchInc@yahoogroups.com, "Peter Palaskas" <petros.palaskas@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Robert ,
>
> Mega question :
>
> If I wanted to print the daily Dow from 1900 to 2009 ,what scale should I use ?
>
> Tricky question
>
> Peter
>


#16 From: "pvtpoint2004" <pvtpoint@...>
Date: Sun Sep 13, 2009 10:30 pm
Subject: Re: Gann Grids!
pvtpoint2004
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Hay Greg How's things
Thanks for the reply and am glad you and Loraine found a way to plot what you
need..

Rob G

--- In PivotPointResearchInc@yahoogroups.com, "Greg Palmer" <Ozzygreg@...>
wrote:
>
> Hi Guys,
> I cannot comment on the scale question as I am grappling with that myself. I
> use GannGrids Print for all of my paper charts and I have found it to be
> very very good. I do not print to a printer but to a PDF file. I set the PDF
> file up to be A0 size (I know this is not the same in the US and I think the
> US uses "B" sizes)
> I then email the PDF file to my local architectural printing company or Copy
> Print office and they print out the large scale plots. All I then need to do
> is glue together pages that are 1200 x 850 mm (48 x 35 inches) I only do
> Black and white since the Colour plots are around $25 and the B&W $4.5.
> I used to have a very expensive colour banner printer so I could print long
> plots. Worked OK but I still had to join long plots of 400 mm wide together.
> Very laborious and painful. Using GG is much better.
>
> Greg
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: PivotPointResearchInc@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:PivotPointResearchInc@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of pvtpoint2004
> Sent: Monday, 14 September 2009 8:03 AM
> To: PivotPointResearchInc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [PivotPointResearchInc] Re: Gann Grids!
>
> Hello Peter
> If you wanted to view the Dow Daily chart from 1900-2009 is a tricky subject
> not due to the software but due to the data range going from around 30
> points-14000 and spanning 109 years.........What I recommend is to start at
> the beginning and rescale the chart after it goes out of price range.
>
> However GGU is for screen view and PC storing only ......If a print of this
> data is needed you will need the "Gann Grids Print version" Gann Grids ultra
> only prints screen shots.......But even with the print the best you can do
> is scale the data on a larger grid setting such as 40 along with a price
> scale of say 25.....You will still have an enormous amount of pages to print
> not to mention tape together ....I personally do not recommend it...Id say
> the best thing to do is use a printout of monthly charts
>
> this is only 1308 bits of data rather then 39812....(109 years)
>
> --- In PivotPointResearchInc@yahoogroups.com, "Peter Palaskas"
> <petros.palaskas@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Robert ,
> >
> > Mega question :
> >
> > If I wanted to print the daily Dow from 1900 to 2009 ,what scale should I
> use ?
> >
> > Tricky question
> >
> > Peter
> >
>
>
>
>
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#17 From: "pvtpoint2004" <pvtpoint@...>
Date: Sun Sep 13, 2009 10:37 pm
Subject: Re: Gann Grids!
pvtpoint2004
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I personally found scaling the Dow monthly chart to 16 on grid and 90 on price
works best IMO.....However The lower the price/year the less this scale will
work......it works best at this setting from around 1965-2009......but from
1928-1965 will look more logical at 16 grid and 25 on price ......Each user must
play around with the settings to find their own best fit...especially on
individual issues.

Bye for today
Rob G


--- In PivotPointResearchInc@yahoogroups.com, "Peter Palaskas"
<petros.palaskas@...> wrote:
>
> Robert I was speaking theoretically of course
>
> What would you put for a monthly chart of dow ?
>
>
>
>
>  ----- Original Message -----
>   From: pvtpoint2004
>   To: PivotPointResearchInc@yahoogroups.com
>   Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 1:02 AM
>   Subject: [PivotPointResearchInc] Re: Gann Grids!
>
>
>     Hello Peter
>   If you wanted to view the Dow Daily chart from 1900-2009 is a tricky subject
not due to the software but due to the data range going from around 30
points-14000 and spanning 109 years.........What I recommend is to start at the
beginning and rescale the chart after it goes out of price range.
>
>   However GGU is for screen view and PC storing only ......If a print of this
data is needed you will need the "Gann Grids Print version" Gann Grids ultra
only prints screen shots.......But even with the print the best you can do is
scale the data on a larger grid setting such as 40 along with a price scale of
say 25.....You will still have an enormous amount of pages to print not to
mention tape together ....I personally do not recommend it...Id say the best
thing to do is use a printout of monthly charts
>
>   this is only 1308 bits of data rather then 39812....(109 years)
>
>   --- In PivotPointResearchInc@yahoogroups.com, "Peter Palaskas"
<petros.palaskas@> wrote:
>   >
>   > Hi Robert ,
>   >
>   > Mega question :
>   >
>   > If I wanted to print the daily Dow from 1900 to 2009 ,what scale should I
use ?
>   >
>   > Tricky question
>   >
>   > Peter
>   >
>

#18 From: "Peter Palaskas" <petros.palaskas@...>
Date: Sun Sep 13, 2009 11:03 pm
Subject: Re: Re: Gann Grids!
peterpalaskas
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10x1 for dow monthly for 1900 till it reaches 1000
 
 
then I havent figured out the transition
 
 
Anyone ?
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 1:37 AM
Subject: [PivotPointResearchInc] Re: Gann Grids!

 

I personally found scaling the Dow monthly chart to 16 on grid and 90 on price works best IMO.....However The lower the price/year the less this scale will work......it works best at this setting from around 1965-2009......but from 1928-1965 will look more logical at 16 grid and 25 on price ......Each user must play around with the settings to find their own best fit...especially on individual issues.

Bye for today
Rob G

--- In PivotPointResearchInc@yahoogroups.com, "Peter Palaskas" <petros.palaskas@...> wrote:
>
> Robert I was speaking theoretically of course
>
> What would you put for a monthly chart of dow ?
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: pvtpoint2004
> To: PivotPointResearchInc@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 1:02 AM
> Subject: [PivotPointResearchInc] Re: Gann Grids!
>
>
> Hello Peter
> If you wanted to view the Dow Daily chart from 1900-2009 is a tricky subject not due to the software but due to the data range going from around 30 points-14000 and spanning 109 years.........What I recommend is to start at the beginning and rescale the chart after it goes out of price range.
>
> However GGU is for screen view and PC storing only ......If a print of this data is needed you will need the "Gann Grids Print version" Gann Grids ultra only prints screen shots.......But even with the print the best you can do is scale the data on a larger grid setting such as 40 along with a price scale of say 25.....You will still have an enormous amount of pages to print not to mention tape together ....I personally do not recommend it...Id say the best thing to do is use a printout of monthly charts
>
> this is only 1308 bits of data rather then 39812....(109 years)
>
> --- In PivotPointResearchInc@yahoogroups.com, "Peter Palaskas" <petros.palaskas@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Robert ,
> >
> > Mega question :
> >
> > If I wanted to print the daily Dow from 1900 to 2009 ,what scale should I use ?
> >
> > Tricky question
> >
> > Peter
> >
>


#19 From: "pvtpoint2004" <pvtpoint@...>
Date: Mon Sep 14, 2009 1:51 pm
Subject: Re: Gann Grids!
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Good morning Peter

I'm not sure I understand the question?....

--- In PivotPointResearchInc@yahoogroups.com, "Peter Palaskas"
<petros.palaskas@...> wrote:
>
> 10x1 for dow monthly for 1900 till it reaches 1000
>
>
> then I havent figured out the transition
>
>
> Anyone ?
>
>
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: pvtpoint2004
>   To: PivotPointResearchInc@yahoogroups.com
>   Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 1:37 AM
>   Subject: [PivotPointResearchInc] Re: Gann Grids!
>
>
>     I personally found scaling the Dow monthly chart to 16 on grid and 90 on
price works best IMO.....However The lower the price/year the less this scale
will work......it works best at this setting from around 1965-2009......but from
1928-1965 will look more logical at 16 grid and 25 on price ......Each user must
play around with the settings to find their own best fit...especially on
individual issues.
>
>   Bye for today
>   Rob G
>
>   --- In PivotPointResearchInc@yahoogroups.com, "Peter Palaskas"
<petros.palaskas@> wrote:
>   >
>   > Robert I was speaking theoretically of course
>   >
>   > What would you put for a monthly chart of dow ?
>   >
>   >
>   >
>   >
>   > ----- Original Message -----
>   > From: pvtpoint2004
>   > To: PivotPointResearchInc@yahoogroups.com
>   > Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 1:02 AM
>   > Subject: [PivotPointResearchInc] Re: Gann Grids!
>   >
>   >
>   > Hello Peter
>   > If you wanted to view the Dow Daily chart from 1900-2009 is a tricky
subject not due to the software but due to the data range going from around 30
points-14000 and spanning 109 years.........What I recommend is to start at the
beginning and rescale the chart after it goes out of price range.
>   >
>   > However GGU is for screen view and PC storing only ......If a print of
this data is needed you will need the "Gann Grids Print version" Gann Grids
ultra only prints screen shots.......But even with the print the best you can do
is scale the data on a larger grid setting such as 40 along with a price scale
of say 25.....You will still have an enormous amount of pages to print not to
mention tape together ....I personally do not recommend it...Id say the best
thing to do is use a printout of monthly charts
>   >
>   > this is only 1308 bits of data rather then 39812....(109 years)
>   >
>   > --- In PivotPointResearchInc@yahoogroups.com, "Peter Palaskas"
<petros.palaskas@> wrote:
>   > >
>   > > Hi Robert ,
>   > >
>   > > Mega question :
>   > >
>   > > If I wanted to print the daily Dow from 1900 to 2009 ,what scale should
I use ?
>   > >
>   > > Tricky question
>   > >
>   > > Peter
>   > >
>   >
>

#20 From: "pvtpoint2004" <pvtpoint@...>
Date: Mon Sep 14, 2009 2:57 pm
Subject: Re: Dow September ,October, November 2009 trend change?
pvtpoint2004
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Anyone?

--- In PivotPointResearchInc@yahoogroups.com, "pvtpoint2004" <pvtpoint@...>
wrote:
>
> Has anyone been doing research on the potential trend change month/s for our
US markets?......Or your local for that matter..
>
> Im interested to hear from someone willing to share their research and
technical opinion...
>

#21 From: Al Dina <zebra7860@...>
Date: Mon Sep 14, 2009 3:03 pm
Subject: Re: Re: Dow September ,October, November 2009 trend change?
zebra7860
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Well, September 18th seems to be a prime time for a change, although it might even extend to Sept 23. I don't think we will see a "/\" top, but rather a rounding top. The fundamentals are just too bad for this market to continue upwards.
 
My 2c
 
Al

--- On Mon, 9/14/09, pvtpoint2004 <pvtpoint@...> wrote:

From: pvtpoint2004 <pvtpoint@...>
Subject: [PivotPointResearchInc] Re: Dow September ,October, November 2009 trend change?
To: PivotPointResearchInc@yahoogroups.com
Received: Monday, September 14, 2009, 10:57 AM

 
Anyone?

--- In PivotPointResearchI nc@yahoogroups. com, "pvtpoint2004" <pvtpoint@.. .> wrote:
>
> Has anyone been doing research on the potential trend change month/s for our US markets?.... ..Or your local for that matter..
>
> Im interested to hear from someone willing to share their research and technical opinion...
>



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#22 From: "pvtpoint2004" <pvtpoint@...>
Date: Mon Sep 14, 2009 3:12 pm
Subject: To all members!!
pvtpoint2004
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If anyone is a member of other sites please feel free to mention our "New" study
group.

However please be careful what groups you ask as after searching multiple
Gann,Elliot and Bayer groups I found almost all to be riddled with spam.....

As of now I am allowing our members to speak freely and hopefully not need
moderation, however if spam starts hitting our site I will be forced to monitor
all incoming and outgoing messages.

This is something I'd rather not due as my time is somewhat short and feel much
will be lost in the timing of messages

Remember this site is for serious researchers and GGU owners only !!

I ONLY WANT THE BEST FOR OUR SITE!

Thanks
Robert Giordano

#23 From: "Peter Palaskas" <petros.palaskas@...>
Date: Mon Sep 14, 2009 3:20 pm
Subject: Re: Re: Gann Grids!
peterpalaskas
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Robert
 
I remember having printed oot DOW monthly with a 10grid time 1 and its looked nice for the period from 1900 to 1965 level 1000,but after was messy
 
And was wondering,how to handle that .
 
That is,If one wanted to see from 1900 to 2009 ,what scale should be applied.
You said that you use  16x90 and 16x25 there after
 
So using those two and printing accordingly these two periods ,when you merge them ,does it make sense ?
 
I mean ,drawing a 45 line from 1932 upwards does it hit something ?
 
 
Thats what I mean.
 
 
I would love to have a monthly DOw from 1900 onwards in a huuuuge paper hanging on my wall
 
 
Peter
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 4:51 PM
Subject: [PivotPointResearchInc] Re: Gann Grids!

 

Good morning Peter

I'm not sure I understand the question?....

--- In PivotPointResearchInc@yahoogroups.com, "Peter Palaskas" <petros.palaskas@...> wrote:
>
> 10x1 for dow monthly for 1900 till it reaches 1000
>
>
> then I havent figured out the transition
>
>
> Anyone ?
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: pvtpoint2004
> To: PivotPointResearchInc@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 1:37 AM
> Subject: [PivotPointResearchInc] Re: Gann Grids!
>
>
> I personally found scaling the Dow monthly chart to 16 on grid and 90 on price works best IMO.....However The lower the price/year the less this scale will work......it works best at this setting from around 1965-2009......but from 1928-1965 will look more logical at 16 grid and 25 on price ......Each user must play around with the settings to find their own best fit...especially on individual issues.
>
> Bye for today
> Rob G
>
> --- In PivotPointResearchInc@yahoogroups.com, "Peter Palaskas" <petros.palaskas@> wrote:
> >
> > Robert I was speaking theoretically of course
> >
> > What would you put for a monthly chart of dow ?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: pvtpoint2004
> > To: PivotPointResearchInc@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 1:02 AM
> > Subject: [PivotPointResearchInc] Re: Gann Grids!
> >
> >
> > Hello Peter
> > If you wanted to view the Dow Daily chart from 1900-2009 is a tricky subject not due to the software but due to the data range going from around 30 points-14000 and spanning 109 years.........What I recommend is to start at the beginning and rescale the chart after it goes out of price range.
> >
> > However GGU is for screen view and PC storing only ......If a print of this data is needed you will need the "Gann Grids Print version" Gann Grids ultra only prints screen shots.......But even with the print the best you can do is scale the data on a larger grid setting such as 40 along with a price scale of say 25.....You will still have an enormous amount of pages to print not to mention tape together ....I personally do not recommend it...Id say the best thing to do is use a printout of monthly charts
> >
> > this is only 1308 bits of data rather then 39812....(109 years)
> >
> > --- In PivotPointResearchInc@yahoogroups.com, "Peter Palaskas" <petros.palaskas@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Robert ,
> > >
> > > Mega question :
> > >
> > > If I wanted to print the daily Dow from 1900 to 2009 ,what scale should I use ?
> > >
> > > Tricky question
> > >
> > > Peter
> > >
> >
>


#24 From: pvtpoint@...
Date: Mon Sep 14, 2009 11:35 am
Subject: Re: Re: Gann Grids!
pvtpoint2004
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In a message dated 9/14/2009 11:24:36 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, petros.palaskas@... writes:
Robert
 
I remember having printed oot DOW monthly with a 10grid time 1 and its looked nice for the period from 1900 to 1965 level 1000,but after was messy
 
And was wondering,how to handle that .
 
That is,If one wanted to see from 1900 to 2009 ,what scale should be applied.
You said that you use  16x90 and 16x25 there after
 
So using those two and printing accordingly these two periods ,when you merge them ,does it make sense ?
 
I mean ,drawing a 45 line from 1932 upwards does it hit something ?
 
 
Thats what I mean.
 
 
I would love to have a monthly DOw from 1900 onwards in a huuuuge paper hanging on my wall
 
 
Peter
Well Peter most of my work is now done on my PC using GGU...
 
The software allows its user to start a price scale on any date and price draw as many angles as the user wants then scroll into the future....I Also give the user the control to extend the angle lines to a user set number of boxes into the future..You can also shrink or expand the charts price scale at any point in the charts history and the angles will stay in place....ie.a 45 degree will stay at 45 deg......regardless of the price scale setting....... this way you can view long time and price ranges with angles without all the printing and taping.......to get a better idea of this ....view the new traders world article listed on my site ....there are many great screen shots of the Dow's monthly, weekly and yearly charts going to 1928 with angles and overlays......

#25 From: "pvtpoint2004" <pvtpoint@...>
Date: Mon Sep 14, 2009 3:58 pm
Subject: Re: Dow September ,October, November 2009 trend change?
pvtpoint2004
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Thanks Al

I hope you dont mind I sent this copy of our last email and reply question as I
think is a great refrence for this site.


Hi Robert,

It's been a long time!  I am now a member of your forum and enjoy your insight.
Do you still trade Gillette and work part time for someone else?  I remember our
conversations after I purchased the original Pivotpoint software from you. It
has come a long way and I will probably end up buying the new version sometime
soon.

As for the DJIA, Mike Jenkins has also advocated a high for the DJIA in
September. Do you think it has much more to go on the upside before resuming
down? I won't hold you to the prediction.  I personally think September 18th
myself, but I could be off.

Best,
Al
Hi Al How are You?
Hope all is well

Yes It has been a wile .......... I saw your address on the new members log
.........and hope you find the group useful. I'm trying to start the ball
rolling to get people who own the software to interact .I couldn't tell you all
the emails I get from people who found some interesting stuff with it .......I
just hope we can get a good group together so we could possibly learn from each
other........I still know there is much more to learn and test and its so much
work for just 1 person.....

   I still work full time for a NYC agency and devote most of my spare time to
the software, site and trading.  Its not easy but it seems to be going
ok........

What ever happened to your research are you still trading? do you still use the
software (older version)?

As for the Dow My time periods for a monthly reversal starts this month but feel
there are more astro and non astro cycles culminating in Oct/Nov.....I'm however
long until I see some price target peaks .......We may actually see a top this
month with a double or triple top in Oct/Nov ..............Ether way I have my
stops in and will be cautious over the next few weeks.....

That Sept 18-23 for me is a hot set of dates as well .........But Oct 12-16 is
an extremely "HOT" set for the markets and earthquakes ..........


Thanks again Al
And I hope to be seeing you on line!

--- In PivotPointResearchInc@yahoogroups.com, Al Dina <zebra7860@...> wrote:
>
> Well, September 18th seems to be a prime time for a change, although it might
even extend to Sept 23. I don't think we will see a "/\" top, but rather a
rounding top. The fundamentals are just too bad for this market to continue
upwards.
>  
> My 2c
>  
> Al
>
> --- On Mon, 9/14/09, pvtpoint2004 <pvtpoint@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: pvtpoint2004 <pvtpoint@...>
> Subject: [PivotPointResearchInc] Re: Dow September ,October, November 2009
trend change?
> To: PivotPointResearchInc@yahoogroups.com
> Received: Monday, September 14, 2009, 10:57 AM
>
>
>  
>
>
>
> Anyone?
>
> --- In PivotPointResearchI nc@yahoogroups. com, "pvtpoint2004" <pvtpoint@ .>
wrote:
> >
> > Has anyone been doing research on the potential trend change month/s for our
US markets?.... ..Or your local for that matter..
> >
> > Im interested to hear from someone willing to share their research and
technical opinion...
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
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#26 From: "pvtpoint2004" <pvtpoint@...>
Date: Mon Sep 14, 2009 4:17 pm
Subject: Purpose for the Group
pvtpoint2004
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This email was sent to me today ......Some may find the response helpful

Tell me,cause I have been in yahoo groups for ages:
What is the main purpose of the group ?

1)Helpdesk for the software
2) analysis of Gann
3) both

Can you give me a % for each ,as to get what you have in mind?

That why I could "lead" for some point as my experience tells me that 95% of
Gann "students" are paranoid when sharing thir techniques

You know what I mean ?
Good day Peter
The help part I'd rather have the users contact me or technical support direct
as many of our client issues are rather minor.

I will however state that I'd like to have people not necessarily share their
private research but to show others the capabilities of the software. I would
also like people to ask questions regarding techniques as I feel the software
once well understood is an extremely powerful tool that can do many outside
research projects. Most are not aware of this......I teach many methods of
technical research in my classes......However i found most only use about 1/3 of
the software's true capabilities...

I also viewed multiple sites over the past few days and found many fantastic
questions and answers regarding our technical subject but also found them to be
riddled with spam...

As for the print ..I will send you the link to the new 5.0 by the end of the day
or early tomorrow as i want technical support to look over your issue
first......you also need to change your settings to US

Thanks

Rob G

#27 From: "Peter Palaskas" <petros.palaskas@...>
Date: Mon Sep 14, 2009 4:41 pm
Subject: searching for a capturer
peterpalaskas
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I use  an electronic compass from http://www.iconico.com/compass   but when I capture with Irfan View I dont get it ?
 
Does anyone know an image capture software that captures everything on screen ?
 
 
 
 
That way I can send my analysis
 
 
Thanks
 
 
Peter
 
 

#28 From: Al Dina <zebra7860@...>
Date: Mon Sep 14, 2009 6:02 pm
Subject: Re: searching for a capturer
zebra7860
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Printkey - it's wonderful

--- On Mon, 9/14/09, Peter Palaskas <petros.palaskas@...> wrote:

From: Peter Palaskas <petros.palaskas@...>
Subject: [PivotPointResearchInc] searching for a capturer
To: PivotPointResearchInc@yahoogroups.com
Received: Monday, September 14, 2009, 12:41 PM

 
I use  an electronic compass from http://www.iconico. com/compass   but when I capture with Irfan View I dont get it ?
 
Does anyone know an image capture software that captures everything on screen ?
 
 
 
 
That way I can send my analysis
 
 
Thanks
 
 
Peter
 
 


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#29 From: "Peter Palaskas" <petros.palaskas@...>
Date: Mon Sep 14, 2009 6:05 pm
Subject: Re: searching for a capturer
peterpalaskas
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thanks i will download right away
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Al Dina
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 9:02 PM
Subject: Re: [PivotPointResearchInc] searching for a capturer

 

Printkey - it's wonderful

--- On Mon, 9/14/09, Peter Palaskas <petros.palaskas@ontelecoms.gr> wrote:

From: Peter Palaskas <petros.palaskas@ontelecoms.gr>
Subject: [PivotPointResearchInc] searching for a capturer
To: PivotPointResearchInc@yahoogroups.com
Received: Monday, September 14, 2009, 12:41 PM

 
I use  an electronic compass from http://www.iconico. com/compass   but when I capture with Irfan View I dont get it ?
 
Does anyone know an image capture software that captures everything on screen ?
 
 
 
 
That way I can send my analysis
 
 
Thanks
 
 
Peter
 
 


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#30 From: "pvtpoint2004" <pvtpoint@...>
Date: Mon Sep 14, 2009 6:09 pm
Subject: Astrotool 7 (planetary price channels)
pvtpoint2004
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A few weeks ago A client asked me what the best way to use Astrotool #7 "The
Planetary Price Channel Tool"

This tool was developed after extensive research on Planets positions and price
movements,Harmonic analysis, Numerical squares in relation to divisions of the
circle and many more concepts to numerous to list at this time.

  A good starting point reference however can be found on the wheel of 24
research done by Jean Long As well as in my personal one on one training classes

What I discovered after this extensive research quest was not just Gann's unique
numerical wheel of 24 could be used as price channel indicators but also an
extensive list of numerical squares!!

In this example this concept truely comes alive with as tops and bottoms are
being called using just 2 planetary speeds.


Example.... In this chart example the daily planetary motion of Jupiter (blue
lines) and Uranus (Purple lines) have been used to locate many perfect planetary
price and time balancing points after the proper price scale and harmonic square
was found...This chart is set from Jan 14 2009- December 14 2009.....The wiggle
on the blue line is Jupiter's motion as it goes through its retrograde
motion....

Also remember this is just 1 single astro tool highlighted within GGU's
applications...Do you think you could find a use for it?....

Lol..just kidding

It however is a great tool especially when combined with its other truly unique
price and time applications.

View chart of Astrotool 7

http://www.pvtpointmktres.com/ganngridsstudygroup.html

#31 From: "Peter Palaskas" <petros.palaskas@...>
Date: Mon Sep 14, 2009 11:16 pm
Subject: Re: searching for a capturer
peterpalaskas
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i have downloaded  all there is in screen capturing , and still havent been able to capture my electronic compass :-(
 
 
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Al Dina
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 9:02 PM
Subject: Re: [PivotPointResearchInc] searching for a capturer

 

Printkey - it's wonderful

--- On Mon, 9/14/09, Peter Palaskas <petros.palaskas@ontelecoms.gr> wrote:

From: Peter Palaskas <petros.palaskas@ontelecoms.gr>
Subject: [PivotPointResearchInc] searching for a capturer
To: PivotPointResearchInc@yahoogroups.com
Received: Monday, September 14, 2009, 12:41 PM

 
I use  an electronic compass from http://www.iconico. com/compass   but when I capture with Irfan View I dont get it ?
 
Does anyone know an image capture software that captures everything on screen ?
 
 
 
 
That way I can send my analysis
 
 
Thanks
 
 
Peter
 
 


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