Thanks John. I'll have to investigate the whereabouts of some Con Cor cars now.
That red and silver looks really sharp. If only Kato..........
;o)

Regards.

Gerry

Bob,

If you are not counting roof handrails, then the plans are identical.

Your consists looks remarkably similar to my 1954 era Golden State.
I have no red top cars in mine.
I used John Grey brass car sides to build RI baggage 852.
I have a ConCor SP diner which I use for the coach passengers.
I used Brass Car Sides to build RI & SP 4-4-2's before the InterMtn cars came
out.
The Walthers SP 10-6 fits very well between them.

Take pictures when you get your consist done.

John Matrow
Wichita KS

--- In RITSlist@yahoogroups.com, "blipka59" <blipka59@...> wrote:
> Thank you for your responses.  your help is appreciated.  I noticed the two
different pullman plan numbers.  Without being called a rivet counter does one
plan fit the modeled 4-4-2's better than the other?
>
> My thoughts on a GS are slightly different, primarily because I have bought
the cars already, except for the 4-4-2, but all have not been repainted yet.
>
> LL E7A
> LL E7B
> LL E8A in consist if needed
> Arnold RPO
> Kato Baggage
> Atlas/Riv Baggage Dorm RI 820
> Kato smooth side coach for SP
> Atlas/Riv coach Waterloo
> Atlas/Riv coach Hawthorne
> Kato Diner decalled for Ocotilla
> Intermtn/Centralia 4-4-2
> Kato 6-6-4
> Kato 6-6-4
> Kato 10-6 SP fluted sides. (I have a smooth side UP 10-6 I could repaint)
> Atlas/Riv Golden Vista (red top)or Atlas Riv Golden Divan (silver top)
>
> As I am attempting a Rocky Mtn Rocket also I can add Kato Diner Centennial to
the consist.  I had the AB6 underway but decided to rip the light off the top
when I found better information, but that is another story.
>
> Again thank you for your help,
> Bob Lipka
>

John and all,

Thank you for your responses.  your help is appreciated.  I noticed the two
different pullman plan numbers.  Without being called a rivet counter does one
plan fit the modeled 4-4-2's better than the other?

My thoughts on a GS are slightly different, primarily because I have bought the
cars already, except for the 4-4-2, but all have not been repainted yet.

LL E7A
LL E7B
LL E8A in consist if needed
Arnold RPO
Kato Baggage
Atlas/Riv Baggage Dorm RI 820
Kato smooth side coach for SP
Atlas/Riv coach Waterloo
Atlas/Riv coach Hawthorne
Kato Diner decalled for Ocotilla
Intermtn/Centralia 4-4-2
Kato 6-6-4
Kato 6-6-4
Kato 10-6 SP fluted sides. (I have a smooth side UP 10-6 I could repaint)
Atlas/Riv Golden Vista (red top)or Atlas Riv Golden Divan (silver top)

As I am attempting a Rocky Mtn Rocket also I can add Kato Diner Centennial to
the consist.  I had the AB6 underway but decided to rip the light off the top
when I found better information, but that is another story.

Again thank you for your help,
Bob Lipka

After further online research, it looks like 456 was salvaged for parts at
Chrome Crankshaft:
http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=197887&nseq=30

Anyone know about the RS2s?

Regards,
Eric


--- In RITSlist@yahoogroups.com, "Eric" <emillerz@...> wrote:
>
> Greetings,
>
> I was researching the Alco RS2s and RS3 locomotives that were repowered by EMD
and am curious if anyone knows if they lasted past the shutdown in 1980?  It
looks like three of these repowerings lasted up to 1980:
> RS2 451
> RS2 454
> RS3 456
>
> These were sold to Chrome Crankshaft shortly after the Rock came to an end,
but I can't find any information if they lasted longer than that or not.  I
would be interested if they were sold to another property and were used for more
service after life on the Rock Island.  Can anyone shed some light on this
subject?
>
> Thanks for any help you can provide!
>
> Regards,
> Eric Miller
> Highlands Ranch, CO
>

It's pretty close. Intermountain is one shade lighter.

I had previously painted the Atlas/RR corrugated baggage-dorm, coach and
observation cars with Testor's Red and they perfectly matched the ConCor cars.

I read that the GS Red was abandoned because it was fading to what someone
called salmon.

John Matrow
Wichita KS

--- In RITSlist@yahoogroups.com, "gerry.baldwin@..." <gerry.baldwin@...> wrote:
> Is there a good colour match between the ConCor and Intermountain cars?

Hi John

Is there a good colour match between the ConCor and Intermountain cars?

Gerry

CCS6807-01 4-4-2 sleeper "Golden State" (red/silver) "Golden Sunset"
CCS6807-02 4-4-2 sleeper "Golden State" (red/silver) "Golden Desert"
CCS6807-03 4-4-2 sleeper "Golden State" (red/silver) "Golden Fleece"
CCS6807-04 4-4-2 sleeper "Golden State" (red/silver) "Golden Hour"

Golden Fleece was originally Pullman 217 blt 1940 plan 4069D) for the Arizona
Limited. G. Sunset was Pullman 207, G. Desert was Pullman 206 and G. Hour was
Pullman 208, all blt 1942 (4069H) for Golden State Limited. All four were
originally western two-tone grey.

They were all sold to the Rock Island in 1947 and repainted Daylight Red over
silver for the streamlined Golden State that premiered Jan. 4, 1948. That scheme
lasted until they were repainted all silver in 1953-1954.

The models are extremely faithful to prototype with one exception. The cars had
full-width diaphragms while the models have door-width diaphragms.

You could use them (along with the 6-6-4 sleepers) to replace the sleepers in
the ConCor series of cars. Drop the dome and it looks pretty nice.

I took the shell off of Life-Like E7A, notched the frame and got a powered E7B
so I could run E7A-E7B-E7B with two powered units.

1) Lifelike E7A in Rocket colors
2) Lifelike E7B in Rocket colors
3) Lifelike E7B in Rocket colors
4) ConCor baggage
5) ConCor 30' RPO-baggage
6) ConCor chair
7) ConCor chair
8) ConCor chair
9) ConCor diner with chairs toward chair cars
10) ConCor diner with chairs toward sleepers
11) InterMtn 4-4-2
12) InterMtn 4-4-2 (xchg@Chicago w/NYC/PRR for NY)
13) InterMtn 4-4-2 (drop/pickup @ Phoenix)
14) InterMtn 6-6-4 (drop/pickup @ Phoenix)
15) InterMtn 6-6-4 (drop/pickup @ KC for St.L)
16) ConCor observation

John Matrow
Wichita KS



--- In RITSlist@yahoogroups.com, "blipka59" <blipka59@...> wrote:
> Can I get anyone to comment on the accuracy of the N scale 4-4-2 Golden State
Sleepers put out by Centralia Car Shops?

Greetings all,

Can I get anyone to comment on the accuracy of the N scale 4-4-2 Golden State
Sleepers put out by Centralia Car Shops?

Thank you,
Bob Lipka

Greetings,

I was researching the Alco RS2s and RS3 locomotives that were repowered by EMD
and am curious if anyone knows if they lasted past the shutdown in 1980?  It
looks like three of these repowerings lasted up to 1980:
RS2 451
RS2 454
RS3 456

These were sold to Chrome Crankshaft shortly after the Rock came to an end, but
I can't find any information if they lasted longer than that or not.  I would be
interested if they were sold to another property and were used for more service
after life on the Rock Island.  Can anyone shed some light on this subject?

Thanks for any help you can provide!

Regards,
Eric Miller
Highlands Ranch, CO

I'm new to this group, and I'm trying to hunt down Rock Island, or Frisco pics
pertaining to the town I'm currently living, and operating a business. The town
is Wister, Ok, and any help would be appreciated.

Thanks, Tim Schreiner
www.prancingponysales.com
tim01433@...

Sorry, didn't intend to reply via the list, as I thought it was only going
to Mr. Hardy.

Jerry Berwald

At 04:05 PM 11/26/2009, Gerald Berwald wrote:
>
>
>I'm forwarding your e-mail on to Mark Huff and Lee Berthoff, who are
>handling Dave Engle's duties while Dave recovers from some medical
>issues. If Lee can figure up what your dues are, and the cost to mail you
>a calendar, I'll be happy to act as the "money broker" again, to accept
>your money by PayPal, and then forward on my check to Lee and/or Mark.
>
>Thanks,
>Jerry Berwald
>
>At 02:54 PM 11/26/2009, Guy Hardy wrote:
> >
> >
> >Can I get one and pay my dues through pay pal again [UK] - you remember
> >we did this last year with Dave Engle but you forgot the commission - Best
> >- Guy
> >
> >--- On Thu, 11/26/09, Gerald Berwald
> <<mailto:GLB141072%40MCHSI.COM>GLB141072@...> wrote:
> >
> >From: Gerald Berwald <<mailto:GLB141072%40MCHSI.COM>GLB141072@...>
> >Subject: [RITSlist] 2010 Calendar
> >To: <mailto:RITSlist%40yahoogroups.com>RITSlist@yahoogroups.com
> >Date: Thursday, November 26, 2009, 8:49 PM
> >
> >
> >
> >I still have some 2010 calendars available, if you haven't got yours
> >yet. Again with this issue, it is an extra
> >fare item. Cost is $10.00 + $2.00 postage. Please make your $12.00
> >check payable to RITS and mail to:
> >
> >RITS % Gerald Berwald
> >918 Maggard St.
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> >
> >Thanks,
> >Jerry Berwald
> >
> >
> >
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I'm forwarding your e-mail on to Mark Huff and Lee Berthoff, who are
handling Dave Engle's duties while Dave recovers from some medical
issues.  If Lee can figure up what your dues are, and the cost to mail you
a calendar,  I'll be happy to act as the "money broker" again, to accept
your money by PayPal, and then forward on my check to Lee and/or Mark.

Thanks,
Jerry Berwald

At 02:54 PM 11/26/2009, Guy Hardy wrote:
>
>
>Can I get one and pay my dues through pay pal again [UK]  - you remember
>we did this last year with Dave Engle but you forgot the commission - Best
>- Guy
>
>--- On Thu, 11/26/09, Gerald Berwald <GLB141072@...> wrote:
>
>From: Gerald Berwald <GLB141072@...>
>Subject: [RITSlist] 2010 Calendar
>To: RITSlist@yahoogroups.com
>Date: Thursday, November 26, 2009, 8:49 PM
>
>
>
>I still have some 2010 calendars available, if you haven't got yours
>yet. Again with this issue, it is an extra
>fare item. Cost is $10.00 + $2.00 postage. Please make your $12.00
>check payable to RITS and mail to:
>
>RITS % Gerald Berwald
>918 Maggard St.
>Iowa City, IA 52240-5625
>
>Thanks,
>Jerry Berwald
>
>
>
>
>No virus found in this incoming message.
>Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
>Version: 8.5.426 / Virus Database: 270.14.83/2528 - Release Date: 11/26/09
>09:10:00

I still have some 2010 calendars available, if you haven't got yours
yet.  Again with this issue, it is an extra
fare item. Cost is $10.00 + $2.00 postage. Please make your $12.00
check  payable to RITS and mail to:

RITS % Gerald Berwald
918 Maggard St.
Iowa City, IA 52240-5625

Thanks,
Jerry Berwald

http://www.desmoinesregister.com/article/20091125/INDIANOLA06/91125015/-1/ENT05/\
Gerald-Ross-Bright-84-Indianola

I never worked for the RI, but my last Thanksgiving meal on the RR (two years
ago) was a soggy turkey sandwich from a quick stop.  Don't miss it a bit. 
Happily going to the Golden Corral this year.

Bob Yarger

--- On Thu, 11/26/09, tomstoffer@... <stoffer@...> wrote:

> From: tomstoffer@... <stoffer@...>
> Subject: [RITSlist] Thanksgiving Stories?
> To: RITSlist@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Thursday, November 26, 2009, 10:09 AM
> Happy Thanksgiving Everyone.
>
> Do any of you folks who worked for the Rock Island have any
> stories about Thanksgiving and the Rock Island that you
> would like to share?
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
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>
>
>     RITSlist-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com
>
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>

Happy Thanksgiving Everyone.

Do any of you folks who worked for the Rock Island have any stories about
Thanksgiving and the Rock Island that you would like to share?

Per www.rrshs.org the RI depot in Des Moines IA is now a business.
	 Norm Metcalf, Boulder Colorado

John Kelly wrote:
[snip].
>> Also, what is the old RI depot in Des Moine used for today, is it used by
>> the city of Des Moines or private business or vacant?
>>
>> Your help is appreciated.
>>
>> John Kelly
>> _____________________
>> John Kelly
>> 13 Mohawk Circle
>> Madison, Wisconsin 53711
>> <mailto:jkelly@...>jkelly@...

>Could someone please answer this man's questions about the Bureau and Des
>Moines depots.

Thanks,
Jerry Berwald


>Hi Gerald,
>
>This is John Kelly in madison, wisconsin. i got your email address from
>Phil Wiebler.
>i am working on Rock Island Rocket book for publication next fall 2010 by
>Iconografix in Hudson, Wisconsin.
>
>Can you please help me with the enclosed photo of Bureau, Ill depot. I
>know the mainline brached to Peoria at Bureau, in the photo is the
>mainline in front of the depot and the branch to Peoria behind the depot.
>Also, what is the old RI depot in Des Moine used for today, is it used by
>the city of Des Moines or private business or vacant?
>
>Your help is appreciated.
>
>John Kelly
>_____________________
>John Kelly
>13 Mohawk Circle
>Madison, Wisconsin 53711
><mailto:jkelly@...>jkelly@...
>608-273-8931
>Content-Type: image/jpeg; name="Bureau.jpg"
>Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="Bureau.jpg"
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>
>
>No virus found in this incoming message.
>Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
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>07:46:00

All

Can anyone point to some 1930s-era photographs of the 40700-46199
series Fowler clones built for the CRI&P/RI from 1913 to 1915?

I'm looking for cars later in life than those shown on the
Westerfield 6400 model pages.
<<http://www.westerfield.biz/6400_fowler_40__clone_ss_box__cri_p_r_i__d_rdw_m_st\
l_69715.htm>http://www.westerfield.biz/6400_fowler_40__clone_ss_box__cri_p_r_i__\
d_rdw_m_stl_69715.htm>

Given the existence of at least some of these cars into the 1940s...
is there any evidence of rebuilding with steel doors and/or AB brakes?

Yahoo!Groups message Search is broken... so I'm not sure if this has
been discussed previously.  I've spent some time chasing links from
the RITS web site... as well as some library sites, but without any luck.

I would appreciate any ideas on where to look...


--------------------
Richard Brennan - San Leandro CA
--------------------

Yes, Happy Turkey Day..I am thankful for all my friends on the RITS list.
Remember the Rock!

Ed Gray
Missouri
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From : Jeff and Becky Hergert <jeffhergert@...>
To : <RITSlist@yahoogroups.com>
Subject : [RITSlist] 'HAPPY THANKSGIVING'
Date : Wed, 25 Nov 2009 18:25:25 -0600
> HAPPY TURKEY DAY!
>
> Jeff, Becky Hergert
> Ogden

Remember the Rock  V3 #3  pgs. 24-29   Great article in a great
magazine!
wwwwwwwRock

--- In RITSlist@yahoogroups.com, Pete Hedgpeth <petehedgpeth@...> wrote:
>
> There were two issues of REMEMBER THE ROCK a few years ago that
covered the football train issue.
>
> Phil Weibler will, no doubt, post the exact references.
>
> Pete
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: milwrdfan1 sae@...
> To: RITSlist@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tue, November 24, 2009 1:09:21 PM
> Subject: [RITSlist] Football Trains?
>
> Â
> Does anyone have pictures/informatio n they'd be willing to share of
the original Rock Island football trains to Kinnick Stadium?
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Scott
>

Lester Brandt wrote:
> Rock Island's (as well as Rio Grande's and GTW';s, which also were
> built by Pressed Steel Car Co.) 52'-6" war emergency gondolas were
> equipped with ends different from the ends included in the Tichy
> kit.  Has anyone found a substitute material to accurately model
> these ends in HO?


The Rio Grande did not have war emergency composite 52ft gons, but
they did have 46ft composite drop-bottom GS gons built by PSC with
their proprietary pressed steel ends ends. The old MDC 40ft gon has
similar ends.


Jim Eager <jeager@...>
Toronto, Ontario, Canada

--- In RITSlist@yahoogroups.com, "milwrdfan1" <sae@...> wrote:
>
> Does anyone have pictures/information they'd be willing to share of the
original Rock Island football trains to Kinnick Stadium?
>

What era are you referring to by "original?"  There are a few from the '70s in
this album:

http://www.iaisrailfans.org/gallery/RichWilson

Taken by the late Rich Wilson of Muscatine.  Photos from earlier eras are
relatively rare but as mentioned there were some in the magazine issues
referenced above.  What kind of information are you looking for?  Post some
questions and we'll do our best to answer them.

Andy Brown