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Re: [SMART_RAIL] Re: SHSRC Submits Support Resolution to Congress

I've actually been giving thought to making such a trip, possibly through Canada on one leg.  This would be a touring trip that would require very little walking.

Bob F.


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From: Jerry Sullivan <jhsulliv@...>
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Sent: Thu, Jul 2, 2009 6:32 pm
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Well Bob, you are quite right, and while it may be a minor
annoyance that we sometimes forget this, the real problem
is that the politicians never seem to get it.  Mica always
whined about the cost of through passengers, but he never
figured out (or admitted it anyway) that very few passengers
went end-end.  My wife and I did it once, but it was sort of
a lark, as was the whole trip, 8,000 miles in 10 days on
Amtrak, or as I told folks the night we departed Jacksonville,
that we were going Jacksonville to Jacksonville, via
DC, Chicago, Seattle, and LA.  The other 15 or more trips
I used the Sunset for, were once RT to NewOrleans, and
the rest, RT to Houston.
 
Jerry Sullivan
 
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Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2009 12:15 PM
Subject: Re: [SMART_RAIL] Re: SHSRC Submits Support Resolution to Congress

As I understand it, the need is to get Amtrak service along the Gulf route connecting Florida with the southwest and Pacific coast.  I think that you point about few travelers wanting to travel from Chicago, the northern terminus of the City of New Orleans, via New Orleans to Florida is a red herring.  My guess is that most boardings would be to or from points along the route.  Again, it is not the end-point to end-point demand that matters.

Bob F.


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Sent: Thu, Jul 2, 2009 9:28 am
Subject: [SMART_RAIL] Re: SHSRC Submits Support Resolution to Congress



Regarding the time it would take the CONO to run from Chicago to New Orleans:  It really doesn't matter.  The reason this approach would have through passengers is that the route via Washington isn't always available.  I have often found Silver Service connecting trains full, especially when I wanted to travel.  So people will use the alternative.
 
The Silver Service options also required a night from Chicago to Washington and another night from Washington to Florida destinations.  The trip via New Orleans used to take a night out from Chicago to New Orleans, a "sleep over" in the First Class Lounge, and another night out between New Orleans and Orlando.  The nights on the train weren't bad.  It's the night in New Orleans that was miserable.  But people still used the option because it was the only way to get from Chicago to Orlando when the Silver Service is full.
 
The schedule we discussed at the SMART meeting, with the New Orleans to Orlando train leaving about an hour and a half after the stub train arrives is the type of schedule that will work for through passengers.  Since I would be a through passenger, it works for me.  Since Amtrak doesn't want to run a continuous train across the country, it isn't important to me what they call it, or whether it is a continuation of the CONO or a separate train.  What is important is that the schedule works without losing passengers to poor scheduling.
 
Henry






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   On June the 23rd, 2009 the Southern High Speed Rail Commission submitted a  resolution to Congress in support of Amtrak's option 3 (c) , daily passenger...
allan thomas
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Jun 30, 2009
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I wonder why the stand alone train is more appealing than running thru the CITY of New Orleans? We heard at the SMART meeting that New Orleans Mayor Nagin...
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It is the most expensive, and likely will take the longest to implement because it will probably require some new equipment that is not yet, even ordered....
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Jul 1, 2009
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John, I am curious as to what brought about your change of heart. At the SMART meeting the motion to support the first (three day service) option was...
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Allan, sorry it's taken so long to respond to your note. What we discussed at the meeting, and someone who was there please correct me if I'm wrong, it that...
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Articles I have seen in TRAINS and elsewhere indicate that there will no longer be a continuous coast to coast service, period. In addition, Amtrak itself has...
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Regarding the time it would take the CONO to run from Chicago to New Orleans: It really doesn't matter. The reason this approach would have through ...
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Jul 2, 2009
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I'll second Henry's comments on that. To me, a long layover in NewOrleans would cost more passengers than the suggested improvements would gain. Certainly I...
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As I understand it, the need is to get Amtrak service along the Gulf route connecting Florida with the southwest and Pacific coast. ?I think that you point...
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The contention that the CONO option would be the quickest option for resumption of service in regards of equipment availibility is well taken. The speediness...
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Well Bob, you are quite right, and while it may be a minor annoyance that we sometimes forget this, the real problem is that the politicians never seem to get...
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I've actually been giving thought to making such a trip, possibly through Canada on one leg. ?This would be a touring trip that would require very little...
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It is not so much the time it takes to train OBS crews, it is the time it takes to hire them. In conversations I had with the local office about using their...
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But then CSX came along and put the skids on any possiblity unless we can produce a few tens of millions to install PTC. However, PTC does not have to be in...
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What will Option #2 do to the layovers for people traveling through New Orleans in both directions? How long will the layovers be? Henry **************Looking...
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The CNO currently arrives eastbound about 6 hours prior to the expected arrival of the stub, so something has to be done there to avoid an overnighter for...
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All of it would have to connect in order for the service to be viable. The CITY arrives in New Orleans about 3:30 p.m. and the daily train from San Antonio is...
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