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#135 From: "Lloyd" <lloydingridcolincamille@...>
Date: Fri May 6, 2005 12:52 pm
Subject: Problems with Scenics lloydingridc...
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Over the years I've heard many wonderful stories about the 4501s being
tough, durable, dependable, and attractive.  What were the downsides
to them?  Were they hard to drive?  How did they handle in the rain
and high winds?  Were they gas guzzlers?  And so on and so on.  Any
takers?

Camille

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#136 From: sean huber <orangepeel91us@...>
Date: Fri May 6, 2005 2:22 pm
Subject: Re: Problems with Scenics orangepeel91us
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Define gas guzzler. No 40' bus with a 2 stroke detroit will ever get 10. Most get a lot closer to 5. But the king of the thirsty beasties were the origional version of the MC-6. They came with 12V-71's. That 's a V-12 folks. Went like heck. Didn't even blink at mountains. Only one thing it couldn't pass, a fuel stop.

Sean

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Over the years I've heard many wonderful stories about the 4501s being tough, durable, dependable, and attractive. What were the downsides to them? Were they hard to drive? How did they handle in the rain and high winds? Were they gas guzzlers? And so on and so on. Any takers? Camille

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#137 From: Harry Chavez Sr <harrychavezsr@...>
Date: Fri May 6, 2005 3:21 pm
Subject: Re: Problems with Scenics harrychavezsr
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From my personal experience, Greyhound 1963 to 82,

I found them to be excellent runners, easy to handle and never had any problems in the rain that I can remember and wind didn't bother me either. As far as fuel consumption I can't say what kind of milage they got. I drove so many different ones and had nothing to do with fueling or record keeping except to put the starting and finishing miles on the record card stored in the bus. Not much more to add from my viewpoint.

Harry O

Lloyd <lloydingridcolincamille@...> wrote:

Over the years I've heard many wonderful stories about the 4501s being tough, durable, dependable, and attractive. What were the downsides to them? Were they hard to drive? How did they handle in the rain and high winds? Were they gas guzzlers? And so on and so on. Any takers? Camille

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#138 From: "Lloyd" <lloydingridcolincamille@...>
Date: Fri May 6, 2005 4:18 pm
Subject: Re: Problems with Scenics lloydingridc...
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I thought I remember hearing the Scenics averaged 6-7 miles per
gallon.  One driver also complained of tough handling with leaning in
certain curve grades.  One or two said wet roadway handling was at
least adequate.  A handful of drivers said the Scenics weren't too
agile on hills and upgrades.  But I'm guessing you'll get a different
story from just about everyone, possibly overall good...

Camille

--- In Scenicruiser21@yahoogroups.com, sean huber
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> Define gas guzzler. No 40' bus with a 2 stroke detroit will ever get
10. Most get a lot closer to 5. But the king of the thirsty beasties
were the origional version of the MC-6. They came with 12V-71's. That
's a V-12 folks. Went like heck. Didn't even blink at mountains. Only
one thing it couldn't pass, a fuel stop.
> Sean
>
> Lloyd <lloydingridcolincamille@y...> wrote:
>
> Over the years I've heard many wonderful stories about the 4501s being
> tough, durable, dependable, and attractive.  What were the downsides
> to them?  Were they hard to drive?  How did they handle in the rain
> and high winds?  Were they gas guzzlers?  And so on and so on.  Any
> takers?
>
> Camille
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#139 From: "C. A. \"Skipper\" Libby" <a1skipper1231@...>
Date: Fri May 6, 2005 7:46 pm
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The 4501 was the most comfortable and easy handling coach GM ever made...It got no more or less mileage than present coaches(even with modern weight saving materials)...It hugged curves, went through heavy rain and snow, like a trooper...No complaints from this driver, except I don't have one now...

Skip

Lloyd <lloydingridcolincamille@...> wrote:

Over the years I've heard many wonderful stories about the 4501s being tough, durable, dependable, and attractive. What were the downsides to them? Were they hard to drive? How did they handle in the rain and high winds? Were they gas guzzlers? And so on and so on. Any takers? Camille

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#140 From: Harry Chavez Sr <harrychavezsr@...>
Date: Fri May 6, 2005 10:30 pm
Subject: Re: Problems with Scenics harrychavezsr
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The only problem ever had with one was caused by a student driver not the bus itself. While instructing a few new recruits and as we were traveling north on BW Parkway now I-295 my instructions to the students were never to try and down shift to slow down while changing lanes. Keep both hands on the wheel until the lane change was complete. This one student had a hard time listening or understanding things. To make this short. He laid the scenic on it's right side on the parkway in a gulley prior to a rest area pull off. Needless to say, that student washed out and the scenic lived to see many more years of service.

Harry O

"C. A. "Skipper" Libby" <a1skipper1231@...> wrote:

The 4501 was the most comfortable and easy handling coach GM ever made...It got no more or less mileage than present coaches(even with modern weight saving materials)...It hugged curves, went through heavy rain and snow, like a trooper...No complaints from this driver, except I don't have one now...

Skip

Lloyd <lloydingridcolincamille@...> wrote:

Over the years I've heard many wonderful stories about the 4501s being tough, durable, dependable, and attractive. What were the downsides to them? Were they hard to drive? How did they handle in the rain and high winds? Were they gas guzzlers? And so on and so on. Any takers? Camille

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#141 From: "Lloyd" <lloydingridcolincamille@...>
Date: Sat May 7, 2005 12:58 pm
Subject: Re: Problems with Scenics lloydingridc...
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Harry,
If that Scenic was laid on its side yet still survived to continue
revenue service, then that's a walloping testament to the Scenic's
structural integrity.  How many of today's present coaches would be
able to do that?

Camille

--- In Scenicruiser21@yahoogroups.com, Harry Chavez Sr
<harrychavezsr@y...> wrote:
> The only problem  ever had with one was caused by a student driver
not the bus itself. While instructing a few new recruits and as we
were traveling north on BW Parkway now I-295 my instructions to the
students were never to try and down shift to slow down while changing
lanes. Keep both hands on the wheel until the lane change was
complete. This one student had a hard time listening or understanding
things. To make this short. He laid the scenic on it's right side on
the parkway in a gulley prior to a rest area pull off.  Needless to
say, that student washed out and the scenic lived to see many more
years of service.
> Harry O

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#142 From: "RJ Long" <R4106@...>
Date: Sat May 7, 2005 2:34 pm
Subject: Re: Re: Problems with Scenics gmc4106fan
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Camille -

NONE of today's present highway models are built like a Scenic - or any of the GMC buses, for that matter. The only thing that might come close are the skoolies, as they have to meet some pretty stringent Federal standards.

BTW, I put a lot of miles on Scenics a long time ago, and always loved driving them. Solid road feel, easy shifting, and brakes that would send a rear seat passenger thru the upper deck windshield if you stood on them hard. Only other bus I've ever driven that stopped as well or better than a Scenic were the three-axle Crown skoolies. Heavy crosswinds could move the coach around a little, but nowhere near how they'd blow a 4107/4108 around. You just had to pay attention a little more. I've had MC-9s move more than a Scenic in heavy winds.

Not to say the Scenics were perfect. No coach is, there are always compromises made somewhere. The Scenics were heavy, so climbing 6% grades meant downshifting to 2nd gear and plugging away at 30 mph 'til you reached the top. But then, that was before the HP race began in buses, and everybody knew buses were slow climbing hills.

IIRC, Greyhound/Marmon-Herrington made some structural modifications to the Scenics when they were retrofitted with the 8V71 back in 1962. I believe there were some stress-cracking issues above the tandem axles that was addressed at that time, and after correction, no other structural problems occurred.

The Scenics were a perfect coach for what they were designed to do, which was line-haul work. They made lousy tour coaches, because the tour guide was either talking to 10 downstairs or 33 upstairs, not everyone together. Charter work was sort of a mixed blessing, depending on the group. Kids loved them, adults liked them, but grumbled a little about having to climb/descend the stairs to visit friends or to use the loo.

I'm sure you're aware that the Scenics lasted in Greyhound service longer than any other model before or since. . .

And just for your enjoyment, here's an interesting pic for you:

And you thought Scenics were tall. . .

FWIW,

RJ
PD4106-2784

Fresno CA

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From: Lloyd

Harry, If that Scenic was laid on its side yet still survived to continue revenue service, then that's a walloping testament to the Scenic's structural integrity. How many of today's present coaches would be able to do that? Camille --- In Scenicruiser21@yahoogroups.com, Harry Chavez Sr <harrychavezsr@y...> wrote:

> The only problem ever had with one was caused by a student driver not the bus itself. While instructing a few new recruits and as we were traveling north on BW Parkway now I-295 my instructions to the students were never to try and down shift to slow down while changing lanes. Keep both hands on the wheel until the lane change was complete. This one student had a hard time listening or understanding things. To make this short. He laid the scenic on it's right side on the parkway in a gulley prior to a rest area pull off. Needless to say, that student washed out and the scenic lived to see many more years of service. > Harry O

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#143 From: Harry Chavez Sr <harrychavezsr@...>
Date: Sat May 7, 2005 5:39 pm
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From what this old memory recalls the layover was smooth and casual.. We were barely moving as the bus seemed to be in slow motion.. I think the only damage was the mirror and paint damage..

Harry O w/short term memory, lol

Lloyd <lloydingridcolincamille@...> wrote:

Harry, If that Scenic was laid on its side yet still survived to continue revenue service, then that's a walloping testament to the Scenic's structural integrity. How many of today's present coaches would be able to do that? Camille --- In Scenicruiser21@yahoogroups.com, Harry Chavez Sr <harrychavezsr@y...> wrote: > The only problem ever had with one was caused by a student driver not the bus itself. While instructing a few new recruits and as we were traveling north on BW Parkway now I-295 my instructions to the students were never to try and down shift to slow down while changing lanes. Keep both hands on the wheel until the lane change was complete. This one student had a hard time listening or understanding things. To make this short. He laid the scenic on it's right side on the parkway in a gulley prior to a rest area pull off. Needless to say, that student washed out and the scenic lived to see many more years of service. > Harry O

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#144 From: "Lloyd" <lloydingridcolincamille@...>
Date: Wed May 11, 2005 4:28 am
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To answer this one some folks will have to reach back a while:

Do any drivers remember the last Scenic PD4501 they drove for
Greyhound before they were finally laid to rest in the late 70s?

How about passengers?  Do any remember their last trip on a Scenic?

For the record my last ride on one was in mid 1969, thirty-six years
ago!!!

Lloyd

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#145 From: Harry Chavez Sr <harrychavezsr@...>
Date: Wed May 11, 2005 5:56 am
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Now Thats making an old man blow out some cobwebs..!!

My mind is telling me the last one I was on, I say on because I was instructor and had 5 students. 2 of my students were from Safeway Trailways when they had their big strike in DC, Baltimore and whereall.. I can't remember a year but I know it had to be close to 70. I can recall a lot of drivers names as I now sit here and think about it..

Harry O

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To answer this one some folks will have to reach back a while: Do any drivers remember the last Scenic PD4501 they drove for Greyhound before they were finally laid to rest in the late 70s? How about passengers? Do any remember their last trip on a Scenic? For the record my last ride on one was in mid 1969, thirty-six years ago!!! Lloyd

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#146 From: lloyd norwood <lloydingridcolincamille@...>
Date: Wed May 11, 2005 2:47 pm
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The stories you could tell....

Ingrid

--- Harry Chavez Sr <harrychavezsr@...> wrote:
> Now Thats making an old man blow out some
> cobwebs..!!
> My mind is telling me the last one I was on, I say
> on because I was instructor and had 5 students. 2 of
> my students were from Safeway Trailways when they
> had their big strike in DC, Baltimore and whereall..
> I can't remember a year but I know it had to be
> close to 70. I can recall a lot of drivers names as
> I now sit here and think about it..
> Harry O
>
> Lloyd <lloydingridcolincamille@...> wrote:
>
> To answer this one some folks will have to reach
> back a while:
>
> Do any drivers remember the last Scenic PD4501 they
> drove for
> Greyhound before they were finally laid to rest in
> the late 70s?
>
> How about passengers?  Do any remember their last
> trip on a Scenic?
>
> For the record my last ride on one was in mid 1969,
> thirty-six years
> ago!!!
>
> Lloyd
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#147 From: Harry Chavez Sr <harrychavezsr@...>
Date: Wed May 11, 2005 3:07 pm
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IVe a few good stories but they didn't happen on a scenic..

I will say that the west coast scenics were a lot faster then

the east coast ones were. I worked a run from NYC to Philly,

a turn run and my scenic which I got on every trip went to LA

and came from LA. On some occassions I would have a west

coast car. A big difference I'll tell you..

Harry

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The stories you could tell.... Ingrid --- Harry Chavez Sr <harrychavezsr@...> wrote: > Now Thats making an old man blow out some > cobwebs..!! > My mind is telling me the last one I was on, I say > on because I was instructor and had 5 students. 2 of > my students were from Safeway Trailways when they > had their big strike in DC, Baltimore and whereall.. > I can't remember a year but I know it had to be > close to 70. I can recall a lot of drivers names as > I now sit here and think about it.. > Harry O > > Lloyd <lloydingridcolincamille@...> wrote: > > To answer this one some folks will have to reach > back a while: > > Do any drivers remember the last Scenic PD4501 they > drove for > Greyhound before they were finally laid to rest in > the late 70s? > > How about passengers? Do any remember their last > trip on a Scenic? > > For the record my last ride on one was in mid 1969, > thirty-six years > ago!!! > > Lloyd > > > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Groups Links > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Scenicruiser21/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > Scenicruiser21-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the > Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > > > "IN GOD WE TRUST" > Let no man say otherwise. > Harry "O" said it!! > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Mail > Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail

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#148 From: lloyd norwood <lloydingridcolincamille@...>
Date: Wed May 11, 2005 8:38 pm
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I suppose they were governed at 65mph in the east and
72mph in the west.  Am I even close?

Lloyd

--- Harry Chavez Sr <harrychavezsr@...> wrote:
> IVe a few good stories but they didn't happen on a
> scenic..
> I will say that the west coast scenics were a lot
> faster then
> the east coast ones were.  I worked a run from NYC
> to Philly,
> a turn run and my scenic which I got on every trip
> went to LA
> and came from LA.  On some occassions I would have a
> west
> coast car. A big difference I'll tell you..
> Harry
>
> lloyd norwood <lloydingridcolincamille@...>
> wrote:
> The stories you could tell....
>
> Ingrid
>
> --- Harry Chavez Sr <harrychavezsr@...> wrote:
> > Now Thats making an old man blow out some
> > cobwebs..!!
> > My mind is telling me the last one I was on, I say
> > on because I was instructor and had 5 students. 2
> of
> > my students were from Safeway Trailways when they
> > had their big strike in DC, Baltimore and
> whereall..
> > I can't remember a year but I know it had to be
> > close to 70. I can recall a lot of drivers names
> as
> > I now sit here and think about it..
> > Harry O
> >
> > Lloyd <lloydingridcolincamille@...> wrote:
> >
> > To answer this one some folks will have to reach
> > back a while:
> >
> > Do any drivers remember the last Scenic PD4501
> they
> > drove for
> > Greyhound before they were finally laid to rest in
> > the late 70s?
> >
> > How about passengers?  Do any remember their last
> > trip on a Scenic?
> >
> > For the record my last ride on one was in mid
> 1969,
> > thirty-six years
> > ago!!!
> >
> > Lloyd
> >
> >
> >
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#149 From: Harry Chavez Sr <harrychavezsr@...>
Date: Wed May 11, 2005 10:05 pm
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The westcoast cars generally would go as fast as you wanted. There was a secret

on how to get them flying. When the engine hit the govner, or? you hit the fast idle switch and she would take off. I only tried this a couple times going south on the Jersy pike at 1 am in the morning.

Harry

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I suppose they were governed at 65mph in the east and 72mph in the west. Am I even close? Lloyd --- Harry Chavez Sr <harrychavezsr@...> wrote: > IVe a few good stories but they didn't happen on a > scenic.. > I will say that the west coast scenics were a lot > faster then > the east coast ones were. I worked a run from NYC > to Philly, > a turn run and my scenic which I got on every trip > went to LA > and came from LA. On some occassions I would have a > west > coast car. A big difference I'll tell you.. > Harry > > lloyd norwood <lloydingridcolincamille@...> > wrote: > The stories you could tell.... > > Ingrid > > --- Harry Chavez Sr <harrychavezsr@...> wrote: > > Now Thats making an old man blow out some > > cobwebs..!! > > My mind is telling me the last one I was on, I say > > on because I was instructor and had 5 students. 2 > of > > my students were from Safeway Trailways when they > > had their big strike in DC, Baltimore and > whereall.. > > I can't remember a year but I know it had to be > > close to 70. I can recall a lot of drivers names > as > > I now sit here and think about it.. > > Harry O > > > > Lloyd <lloydingridcolincamille@...> wrote: > > > > To answer this one some folks will have to reach > > back a while: > > > > Do any drivers remember the last Scenic PD4501 > they > > drove for > > Greyhound before they were finally laid to rest in > > the late 70s? > > > > How about passengers? Do any remember their last > > trip on a Scenic? > > > > For the record my last ride on one was in mid > 1969, > > thirty-six years > > ago!!! > > > > Lloyd > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Scenicruiser21/ > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email > to: > > Scenicruiser21-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the > > Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > > > > > > > "IN GOD WE TRUST" > > Let no man say otherwise. > > Harry "O" said it!! > > > > --------------------------------- > > Yahoo! Mail > > Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take > the tour > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. > > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Groups Links > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Scenicruiser21/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > Scenicruiser21-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the > Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > > > "IN GOD WE TRUST" > Let no man say otherwise. > Harry "O" said it!! > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Mail Mobile > Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your > mobile phone. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

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#150 From: "Howard A. Drozd" <hdrozd@...>
Date: Thu May 12, 2005 4:27 am
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Harry,

After the 4501s were rebuilt in 1961-2, the fast idle switch also
actuated a parking brake.  The fast idle and the air conditioning
switches were located next to each other on the side panel.  A
driver attempting to turn on the AC at speed and hit the FI switch
in error would have experienced everything coming forward.

I believe that on the early 4106s before their FI switches were
modified to actuate parking brakes,(GLI only) the FI switch would
increase speed.

Howard


--- In Scenicruiser21@yahoogroups.com, Harry Chavez Sr
<harrychavezsr@y...> wrote:
> The westcoast cars generally would go as fast as you wanted.
There was a secret
> on how to get them flying. When the engine hit the govner, or? you
hit the fast idle switch and she would take off. I only tried this a
couple times going south on the Jersy pike at 1 am in the morning.
> Harry
>
> lloyd norwood <lloydingridcolincamille@y...> wrote:
> I suppose they were governed at 65mph in the east and
> 72mph in the west.  Am I even close?
>
> Lloyd
>
> --- Harry Chavez Sr <harrychavezsr@y...> wrote:
> > IVe a few good stories but they didn't happen on a
> > scenic..
> > I will say that the west coast scenics were a lot
> > faster then
> > the east coast ones were.  I worked a run from NYC
> > to Philly,
> > a turn run and my scenic which I got on every trip
> > went to LA
> > and came from LA.  On some occassions I would have a
> > west
> > coast car. A big difference I'll tell you..
> > Harry
> >
> > lloyd norwood <lloydingridcolincamille@y...>
> > wrote:
> > The stories you could tell....
> >
> > Ingrid
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> > > Now Thats making an old man blow out some
> > > cobwebs..!!
> > > My mind is telling me the last one I was on, I say
> > > on because I was instructor and had 5 students. 2
> > of
> > > my students were from Safeway Trailways when they
> > > had their big strike in DC, Baltimore and
> > whereall..
> > > I can't remember a year but I know it had to be
> > > close to 70. I can recall a lot of drivers names
> > as
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> > > Greyhound before they were finally laid to rest in
> > > the late 70s?
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#151 From: "Howard A. Drozd" <hdrozd@...>
Date: Thu May 12, 2005 4:51 am
Subject: Re: Your Last Scenicruiser howardddeee
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Lloyd,

I can't say what happened in the east, but on the west coast many of
the 4501s that would go 72 MPH had a red dot (fingernail polish) to
the right of the car number on the interior front panel.

You may ask why would Greyhound drivers, of either gender, carry a
bottle of red fingernail polish?  The drivers would use this to
opaque the areas around dash gauges where the gaskets had slipped,
allowing bright white lights to shine through.

Howard


--- In Scenicruiser21@yahoogroups.com, lloyd norwood
<lloydingridcolincamille@y...> wrote:
> I suppose they were governed at 65mph in the east and
> 72mph in the west.  Am I even close?
>
> Lloyd
>
> --- Harry Chavez Sr <harrychavezsr@y...> wrote:
> > IVe a few good stories but they didn't happen on a
> > scenic..
> > I will say that the west coast scenics were a lot
> > faster then
> > the east coast ones were.  I worked a run from NYC
> > to Philly,
> > a turn run and my scenic which I got on every trip
> > went to LA
> > and came from LA.  On some occassions I would have a
> > west
> > coast car. A big difference I'll tell you..
> > Harry
> >
> > lloyd norwood <lloydingridcolincamille@y...>
> > wrote:
> > The stories you could tell....
> >
> > Ingrid
> >
> > --- Harry Chavez Sr <harrychavezsr@y...> wrote:
> > > Now Thats making an old man blow out some
> > > cobwebs..!!
> > > My mind is telling me the last one I was on, I say
> > > on because I was instructor and had 5 students. 2
> > of
> > > my students were from Safeway Trailways when they
> > > had their big strike in DC, Baltimore and
> > whereall..
> > > I can't remember a year but I know it had to be
> > > close to 70. I can recall a lot of drivers names
> > as
> > > I now sit here and think about it..
> > > Harry O
> > >
> > > Lloyd <lloydingridcolincamille@y...> wrote:
> > >
> > > To answer this one some folks will have to reach
> > > back a while:
> > >
> > > Do any drivers remember the last Scenic PD4501
> > they
> > > drove for
> > > Greyhound before they were finally laid to rest in
> > > the late 70s?
> > >
> > > How about passengers?  Do any remember their last
> > > trip on a Scenic?
> > >
> > > For the record my last ride on one was in mid
> > 1969,
> > > thirty-six years
> > > ago!!!
> > >
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#152 From: "Lloyd" <lloydingridcolincamille@...>
Date: Fri May 13, 2005 4:09 am
Subject: Scenicruiser 21st Century 1st Year Anniversary Coming Soon! lloydingridc...
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The group 1st year anniversary is coming very soon.  As a matter of
fact it will be May 22nd.  Presently our membership has grown to 85
members (more or less; it's hard to tell with the new Yahoo format).
This first year has been loads of fun and information.  Several group
members are very active on the message board and a few have made their
own other contributions with pictures, files, and such.  Hopefully a
few more folks will become more vocal.  Sincerely I wish that the
group continues to grow.....

Regards,
Ingrid

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#153 From: Harry Chavez Sr <harrychavezsr@...>
Date: Fri May 13, 2005 5:54 am
Subject: Re: Scenicruiser 21st Century 1st Year Anniversary Coming Soon! harrychavezsr
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I would think that as long as there are the older hound drivers who are still driving and us who have retired and drove this fantastic cars there will be a lot to talk about.

I will add a short tale here now.

I was working a NYC/PHILLY turn around and most of the time got west coast scenics as my run went thru to LA and came from LA. I left the port around 1 am non- stop to Philly. In the 60's/early 70's traffic on the Jersey Pike wasn't all that bad in the early morning hours. This one morning I was passing exit 9 near all the refineries and I was the only vehicle there for a short time. So I did the fast idle trick and let the bus clean itself out. I think I got to around 8o/82 and I looked in my mirror and saw the headlites behind me coming up hard and fast. They were too big and too bouncy to be a trooper so I let the bus roll. Within a couple minutes this 18 wheeler fley past me and out of his twin stacks blue flame was flying 12 or more inches. I can only remember blue flame and tail lites. I dropped my speed back to 65 and didn't play anymore that morning..

Have a great weekend and be safe..

Harry O

Lloyd <lloydingridcolincamille@...> wrote:

The group 1st year anniversary is coming very soon. As a matter of fact it will be May 22nd. Presently our membership has grown to 85 members (more or less; it's hard to tell with the new Yahoo format). This first year has been loads of fun and information. Several group members are very active on the message board and a few have made their own other contributions with pictures, files, and such. Hopefully a few more folks will become more vocal. Sincerely I wish that the group continues to grow..... Regards, Ingrid

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#154 From: "Lloyd" <lloydingridcolincamille@...>
Date: Mon May 16, 2005 2:46 am
Subject: 38 Pics moved to Files section lloydingridc...
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The moderator has moved 38 pictures to the files section to allow for
more convenient of newfound pictures.  Please review files section
when you get a chance under "Classic Scenic" album....

Ingrid

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#155 From: "Lloyd" <lloydingridcolincamille@...>
Date: Mon May 16, 2005 2:47 am
Subject: Re: 38 Pics moved to Files section lloydingridc...
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To clarify the garbled message: the pics were moved to allow for more
convenient uploads of newfound pics.  Thanks again

Ingrid

--- In Scenicruiser21@yahoogroups.com, "Lloyd"
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>
> The moderator has moved 38 pictures to the files section to allow for
> more convenient of newfound pictures.  Please review files section
> when you get a chance under "Classic Scenic" album....
>
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#156 From: "Lloyd" <lloydingridcolincamille@...>
Date: Sun May 22, 2005 7:43 am
Subject: Happy Anniversary for Scenicruiser 21st Century lloydingridc...
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Today marks the 1st anniversary for this group.  Salute!

Camille

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#157 From: Slant Noz <slantnoz@...>
Date: Tue May 24, 2005 2:41 am
Subject: Looking for a Scenic Cruiser to Buy slantnoz
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At this point I ready dont care about the condition.
I just want one.  I let one get away, a year ago, and
now I wish I would have purchased it.

Please email if you have any leads on one.

Thanks
Marshall




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#158 From: "Lloyd" <lloydingridcolincamille@...>
Date: Sun May 29, 2005 4:18 am
Subject: Fwd: Happy Memorial Day lloydingridc...
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--- In TrailwaysCoaches@yahoogroups.com, "Lloyd"
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Here's wishing all board members a happy, safe, and joyous Memorial
Day Weekend.

Ingrid
Colin
Camille
Lloyd
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#159 From: Harry Chavez Sr <harrychavezsr@...>
Date: Sun May 29, 2005 5:03 am
Subject: Re: Fwd: Happy Memorial Day harrychavezsr
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Ditto from Harry O in Maryland

Lloyd <lloydingridcolincamille@...> wrote:

--- In TrailwaysCoaches@yahoogroups.com, "Lloyd" <lloydingridcolincamille@y...> wrote: Here's wishing all board members a happy, safe, and joyous Memorial Day Weekend. Ingrid Colin Camille Lloyd --- End forwarded message ---

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#160 From: "Lloyd" <lloydingridcolincamille@...>
Date: Fri Jun 3, 2005 1:25 am
Subject: Your Last Trip on a Scenicruiser lloydingridc...
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How about some tales about your last trip either driving or riding a
Scenicruiser?  The stories should be interesting.

Ingrid

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#161 From: "Lloyd" <lloydingridcolincamille@...>
Date: Tue Jun 7, 2005 10:55 am
Subject: Re: Your Last Trip on a Scenicruiser lloydingridc...
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No takers?

Ingrid

--- In Scenicruiser21@yahoogroups.com, "Lloyd"
<lloydingridcolincamille@y...> wrote:
>
> How about some tales about your last trip either driving or riding a
> Scenicruiser?  The stories should be interesting.
>
> Ingrid

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#162 From: "Kyle Brandt" <kylefbrandt@...>
Date: Tue Jun 7, 2005 4:11 pm
Subject: RE: Looking for a Scenic Cruiser to Buy kylefbrandt
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There is one on eBay now. Seems to be a good one from the description. The
price ain't too bad yet either.

Good luck
Kyle

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>Subject: [Scenicruiser21] Looking for a Scenic Cruiser to Buy
>Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 19:41:50 -0700 (PDT)
>
>At this point I ready dont care about the condition.
>I just want one.  I let one get away, a year ago, and
>now I wish I would have purchased it.
>
>Please email if you have any leads on one.
>
>Thanks
>Marshall
>
>
>
>
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#163 From: "Lloyd" <lloydingridcolincamille@...>
Date: Sun Jun 12, 2005 2:41 am
Subject: Carrousel Greyhound Scenicruiser lloydingridc...
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What's the story behind the Carrousel Greyhound Scenicruiser?  See a
photo in the QUEEN BUS photo album of this group.  Thank you.

Ingrid

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#164 From: "pd45017712003" <tbonemcnally@...>
Date: Mon Jun 13, 2005 3:37 pm
Subject: Scenicruiser parts for sale pd45017712003
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If anyone is interested, I have parts for sale. Engines, trans., body
parts, marker lights, etc. Email or call and we'll chat.


Tom McNally  PD4501-771
Peoria, IL
309-253-2169

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