Tom,thanks so much for the scenicruise run down.  It sounds great! I have a
RT.66 neon clock I bought in Hackberry a few years back, kind of a neat place.
Back in 1975, when I started driving truck, the road from Kingman to Williams
was the road to go east. I remember my 72 freightliner with a de-tuned 8V71 T
holding up traffic climbing the hills in to Peach springs.  I do hope some day
to cruise my cruiser 112 through RT 66 to Calif. I guess that would have been
considered the south west area covered by Grayhound which was cruiser 112,s old
stomping grounds. Glad you all had a great time, wish I could have been there
with you.

--- In Scenicruiser21@yahoogroups.com, tom mcnally <tbonemcnally@...> wrote:
>
>
> Hello Dave, and all
>
> Here is a quick run down of the trip.
>
> Trip was great. Caverns motel was good.
>
> Greyhound historic Fleet LA garage visit was great. all were there except
MC-9, which I question if that is truly historic !!! It was out on a movie
shoot. Difficult to shoot decent photos in the garage. Too cramped space.
PD4501-001 looked real nice.
>
> We went to pickup Tony Allen's extra Scenic 468 in San Diego Thursday night
late. We got back to LA area at 2 am. Long day......awake 25 hours. Tony
surprised us by giving us 082 instead. that is a very nice finished conversion
(painted black w/ airbrush RT. 66 theme) and lots of polished chrome. etc. Frank
Mooney's former bus.
>
> Chad Goertz (PD4501-389) and me & Jeff Wiley of Iowa switched off driving
PD4501- 082. We left Chad's house in Agua Dulce at about 9AM on Friday. We met
Tony Allen (PD4501-468) and Frank Gonzales (PD4501-151) in Barstow, CA. around
11:00 AM
>
> We stopped for fuel in Ludlow, CA.
>
> Great photo op. at Roy's gas & cafe near Amboy, CA. (four scenics lined-up)
great old sign. HOT!!! and dry around Needles, CA. 95 Deg. F
>
> Arrived at Caverns at 7PM. ate dinner at Caverns diner. Did Caverns tour. Cool
! Thanks Chad.
>
> Sat. May 14 Jeff Willard of Silver Spring, NM. (PD4501-847) arrived
>
> photo op. along rt. 66 in front of Caverns lot. Five scenics.
>
> group took 082 to lunch in Seligman, AZ. @ Road kill cafe
>
> return caverns. 2 Videos shot on 66 in front of caverns. 2 different drive by
shots. Thanks Paul.
>
> All five Scenics drive to Williams, AZ. (long steep grade up to 6800 FT.)
>
> Dinner in Williams at Rod's steakhouse. Very good meat ! and cool neon signs.
>
> walked around williams. chilly around 50 Deg. F
>
> night video shoot along RT. 66 through downtown Williams. Five 4501 in a row.
Thanks Paul Von Fange
>
> back to Caverns for night-cap.
>
> Sunday 5/15  leave around 9 AM stop at Hackberry general store. Very cool old
66 spot. antique gas pumps, signs, etc. (lined-up al five buses again for photos
w/ store in background)
>
> on to Barstow dinner stop
>
> on to San Diego to return buses.
>
> return to motel in LA by car at 1:30 AM
>
> Monday 5/16 leave LAX at 2 PM PST arrive in Peoria, via car by way of O'hare ,
CTA bus and train at 12:00 am CST.
>
> Jeff Wiley and I drove 082 and 468 about 95% of the trip. Switched back and
forth. About 1,000 miles round trip. Tony wanted us to check them out for
him.....we were happy to oblige ! Big weekend......need to catch up on sleep.
I'll do photos and video soon.
>
> Thanks to Chad for planning a great trip. We had a blast. I'm ready to go
again ! (after I catch up on sleep)
>
> Regards,
>
> Tom McNally
>
>
>
>
> To: Scenicruiser21@yahoogroups.com
> From: hotburb@...
> Date: Tue, 17 May 2011 01:29:29 +0000
> Subject: [Scenicruiser21] Waiting.....
>
>
>
>
>
>
> OK it's is bad enough that I couldn't make it to scenicruise this year and now
seems as though we have to wait for pictures and videos. Come on guys you have
had at least two hours to up load something, I am tired of waiting, I want to
see something.......
> Hope you all had a great time! Dave Catron
>

As for the photos that dont match up, maybe those were cars that were transferred from one division to another after delivery?    Those buses carried so many different numbers during their careers.

Hi Tom,
   Thanks for the great summary, wish we could have been there, but look forward
to the pictures and video.
Dave

---- tom mcnally <tbonemcnally@...> wrote:
>
> Hello Dave, and all
>
> Here is a quick run down of the trip.
>
> Trip was great. Caverns motel was good.
>
> Greyhound historic Fleet LA garage visit was great. all were there except
MC-9, which I question if that is truly historic !!! It was out on a movie
shoot. Difficult to shoot decent photos in the garage. Too cramped space.
PD4501-001 looked real nice.
>
> We went to pickup Tony Allen's extra Scenic 468 in San Diego Thursday night
late. We got back to LA area at 2 am. Long day......awake 25 hours. Tony
surprised us by giving us 082 instead. that is a very nice finished conversion
(painted black w/ airbrush RT. 66 theme) and lots of polished chrome. etc. Frank
Mooney's former bus.
>
> Chad Goertz (PD4501-389) and me & Jeff Wiley of Iowa switched off driving
PD4501- 082. We left Chad's house in Agua Dulce at about 9AM on Friday. We met
Tony Allen (PD4501-468) and Frank Gonzales (PD4501-151) in Barstow, CA. around
11:00 AM
>
> We stopped for fuel in Ludlow, CA.
>
> Great photo op. at Roy's gas & cafe near Amboy, CA. (four scenics lined-up)
great old sign. HOT!!! and dry around Needles, CA. 95 Deg. F
>
> Arrived at Caverns at 7PM. ate dinner at Caverns diner. Did Caverns tour. Cool
! Thanks Chad.
>
> Sat. May 14 Jeff Willard of Silver Spring, NM. (PD4501-847) arrived
>
> photo op. along rt. 66 in front of Caverns lot. Five scenics.
>
> group took 082 to lunch in Seligman, AZ. @ Road kill cafe
>
> return caverns. 2 Videos shot on 66 in front of caverns. 2 different drive by
shots. Thanks Paul.
>
> All five Scenics drive to Williams, AZ. (long steep grade up to 6800 FT.)
>
> Dinner in Williams at Rod's steakhouse. Very good meat ! and cool neon signs.
>
> walked around williams. chilly around 50 Deg. F
>
> night video shoot along RT. 66 through downtown Williams. Five 4501 in a row.
Thanks Paul Von Fange
>
> back to Caverns for night-cap.
>
> Sunday 5/15  leave around 9 AM stop at Hackberry general store. Very cool old
66 spot. antique gas pumps, signs, etc. (lined-up al five buses again for photos
w/ store in background)
>
> on to Barstow dinner stop
>
> on to San Diego to return buses.
>
> return to motel in LA by car at 1:30 AM
>
> Monday 5/16 leave LAX at 2 PM PST arrive in Peoria, via car by way of O'hare ,
CTA bus and train at 12:00 am CST.
>
> Jeff Wiley and I drove 082 and 468 about 95% of the trip. Switched back and
forth. About 1,000 miles round trip. Tony wanted us to check them out for
him.....we were happy to oblige ! Big weekend......need to catch up on sleep.
I'll do photos and video soon.
>
> Thanks to Chad for planning a great trip. We had a blast. I'm ready to go
again ! (after I catch up on sleep)
>
> Regards,
>
> Tom McNally
>
>
>
>
> To: Scenicruiser21@yahoogroups.com
> From: hotburb@...
> Date: Tue, 17 May 2011 01:29:29 +0000
> Subject: [Scenicruiser21] Waiting.....
>
>
>
>
>
>
> OK it's is bad enough that I couldn't make it to scenicruise this year and now
seems as though we have to wait for pictures and videos. Come on guys you have
had at least two hours to up load something, I am tired of waiting, I want to
see something.......
> Hope you all had a great time! Dave Catron
>
>
>
>

Hi Tom,
   Were willing to drive, and another year may have done CA, but it is our sons
last few weeks of high school, heading to University in August, so could not
leave with him doing finals, and need to keep some money in the bank to get him
set up when he leaves home.  As you said, we will get together again at another
reunion sometime in the future.
Dave
---- tom mcnally <tbonemcnally@...> wrote:
>
> Next time buddy. This won't be the last......we're just getting started ! Want
to do a midwestern version maybe in two years. Going to plot all current owners
on a map, then plot roadworthy runners, then plot likely attendees, then pick
location based on this info. We hope this maximizes our attendance. Should be a
highly scientific procedure....laugh..laugh !!We'll see.
>
> Tom
>
>
>
> To: Scenicruiser21@yahoogroups.com
> CC: tbonemcnally@...
> From: yeeolde48@...
> Date: Wed, 18 May 2011 21:06:10 +0000
> Subject: RE: [Scenicruiser21] Waiting.....
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Hi Tom,
> Thanks for the great summary, wish we could have been there, but look forward
to the pictures and video.
> Dave
>
> ---- tom mcnally <tbonemcnally@...> wrote:
> >
> > Hello Dave, and all
> >
> > Here is a quick run down of the trip.
> >
> > Trip was great. Caverns motel was good.
> >
> > Greyhound historic Fleet LA garage visit was great. all were there except
MC-9, which I question if that is truly historic !!! It was out on a movie
shoot. Difficult to shoot decent photos in the garage. Too cramped space.
PD4501-001 looked real nice.
> >
> > We went to pickup Tony Allen's extra Scenic 468 in San Diego Thursday night
late. We got back to LA area at 2 am. Long day......awake 25 hours. Tony
surprised us by giving us 082 instead. that is a very nice finished conversion
(painted black w/ airbrush RT. 66 theme) and lots of polished chrome. etc. Frank
Mooney's former bus.
> >
> > Chad Goertz (PD4501-389) and me & Jeff Wiley of Iowa switched off driving
PD4501- 082. We left Chad's house in Agua Dulce at about 9AM on Friday. We met
Tony Allen (PD4501-468) and Frank Gonzales (PD4501-151) in Barstow, CA. around
11:00 AM
> >
> > We stopped for fuel in Ludlow, CA.
> >
> > Great photo op. at Roy's gas & cafe near Amboy, CA. (four scenics lined-up)
great old sign. HOT!!! and dry around Needles, CA. 95 Deg. F
> >
> > Arrived at Caverns at 7PM. ate dinner at Caverns diner. Did Caverns tour.
Cool ! Thanks Chad.
> >
> > Sat. May 14 Jeff Willard of Silver Spring, NM. (PD4501-847) arrived
> >
> > photo op. along rt. 66 in front of Caverns lot. Five scenics.
> >
> > group took 082 to lunch in Seligman, AZ. @ Road kill cafe
> >
> > return caverns. 2 Videos shot on 66 in front of caverns. 2 different drive
by shots. Thanks Paul.
> >
> > All five Scenics drive to Williams, AZ. (long steep grade up to 6800 FT.)
> >
> > Dinner in Williams at Rod's steakhouse. Very good meat ! and cool neon
signs.
> >
> > walked around williams. chilly around 50 Deg. F
> >
> > night video shoot along RT. 66 through downtown Williams. Five 4501 in a
row. Thanks Paul Von Fange
> >
> > back to Caverns for night-cap.
> >
> > Sunday 5/15 leave around 9 AM stop at Hackberry general store. Very cool old
66 spot. antique gas pumps, signs, etc. (lined-up al five buses again for photos
w/ store in background)
> >
> > on to Barstow dinner stop
> >
> > on to San Diego to return buses.
> >
> > return to motel in LA by car at 1:30 AM
> >
> > Monday 5/16 leave LAX at 2 PM PST arrive in Peoria, via car by way of O'hare
, CTA bus and train at 12:00 am CST.
> >
> > Jeff Wiley and I drove 082 and 468 about 95% of the trip. Switched back and
forth. About 1,000 miles round trip. Tony wanted us to check them out for
him.....we were happy to oblige ! Big weekend......need to catch up on sleep.
I'll do photos and video soon.
> >
> > Thanks to Chad for planning a great trip. We had a blast. I'm ready to go
again ! (after I catch up on sleep)
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Tom McNally
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > To: Scenicruiser21@yahoogroups.com
> > From: hotburb@...
> > Date: Tue, 17 May 2011 01:29:29 +0000
> > Subject: [Scenicruiser21] Waiting.....
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > OK it's is bad enough that I couldn't make it to scenicruise this year and
now seems as though we have to wait for pictures and videos. Come on guys you
have had at least two hours to up load something, I am tired of waiting, I want
to see something.......
> > Hope you all had a great time! Dave Catron
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>

Jeff,
   Great to hear you got 847 roadworthy and made the run.  Even better to hear
you got home safe and sound.  Sorry we didn't make it to cruise with you, but
next time buddy.
Looking forward to the pictures.
Dave
---- Jeffrey Willard <jwillard@...> wrote:
> Quick update
> 847 is home. No issues
> Debrief tonight
> Jeff
> --
> Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
>
> chad_goertz <chadgoertz2@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> We did have a few last minute cancellations for various reasons, but we had 5
in attendance. A great time was had by all. Lots of great pictures and videos
coming soon. No serious mechanical issues on the way up there from anyone. The
buses just loved to run! Jeff Willard had a wheel bearing issue on the way home.
Hopefully he's got it all worked out.
>
> Pictures and video to come soon. Thanks to all who attended, flew down, drove
buses, video taped, took pictures, etc. We couldn't have made it happen without
everyone who attended.
>
> Thanks guys!
>
>
>

 

I can only hope that he was following closely enough for my flat out Detroit to oil the front of his fancy car…. and especially the windshield. J

 

Jeffrey Willard
Office Automation Consulting
1-888-677-8514
1-575-313-7464 (Mobile)

www.oac-inc.com

From: Scenicruiser21@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Scenicruiser21@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of stephen.malone@...
Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2011 11:01 PM
To: Scenicruiser21@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Scenicruiser21] De-briefing on 847's wheel bearing failure.... [2 Attach...

 

 

Jeff,

   So glad you made it home ok despite your problems with her.   I cannot imagine some jerk flipping you off under those conditions.  Somebody needs to knock the crap out of that guy.

   Thanks for your role in preserving bus history.

Skip Malone

 

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeffrey Willard" <jwillard@...>
To: Scenicruiser21@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2011 9:42:50 PM
Subject: Re: [Scenicruiser21] De-briefing on 847's wheel bearing failure.... [2 Attach...

 

Ball? What ball? Did I miss something? :-)
--
Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.

rampeyboy@... wrote:

 

Glad it all worked out and you got it home without a tow bill. Way to use your head, and keep the ball in front of you!

 

 

Boyce Rampey
Columbia, SC

 

In a message dated 5/18/2011 9:33:16 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, jwillard@... writes:

 

Hi All. 847 is now tucked away at the RV park, and I’m home with a nice glass of wine. Life is good. J I thought I’d let everyone know the details of what happened.

On Sunday after leaving the Cracker Barrel where we all had lunch… ( A big Thank You to Frank Gonzales. ) we headed east on I-40 and then south on Az 93 towards Phoenix and I-17. Az 93 is a nice road but… it’s mostly 2 lane with lots of long steep hills to pull. 847 was struggling more than usual on the hills and I actually had to shift down to 2^nd a couple of times. The folks behind me were not happy. Even got flipped off once. J At one point on a long slow hill she really bogged down very suddenly. Before I could get “Uh oh” out of my mouth I saw a big black cloud come out of the exhaust and she picked it back up again, such as it was. J I think that’s where the bearing totally failed. Right after that I started smelling hot brakes. I tapped mine and then seemed fine. We were now on a downhill and I figured it was a truck in front of me. The smell never really went away though. It wasn’t real strong, but it was there. We drove about another 20 miles to I-17 and I made a right turn onto the entrance ramp. When I made that turn, I think the entire left tag axle wheel assembly shifted towards the inside of the bus. The inside dual hit the frame and went flat and the axle stub blew out the end cap. That opened it up to the air and started a fire, with what oil was still there.

Almost immediately, someone pulled up beside me and got my attention and I pulled over on a wonderfully wide and brand new shoulder. By the time I got out and to the back, the fire went out but…. it was ugly!!

Luckily, my girlfriend Sherri’s daughter lives in Tempe. She came and picked us up and we went to the airport so I could rent a car. We then packed suitcases etc in the car and along with the two dogs, drove 200 miles to Sierra Vista, Az where she lives. She HAD to be back to work Monday morning. We got there about 2:30am, slept a few hours and then she headed to work and the dogs and I headed back to Phoenix. I burned up the cell phone all the way tracking down parts. Thanks to Sean Keating and Chad I had some part numbers. To make a long story a little shorter (I know… too late for that) by 3pm I was back at the bus and beating and striking. I called a tire service to come out to deal with the inside dual and get the lugs loose. I tried by hand but no good. The tire guy came and blew the tires off. While he worked on the flat I got the drum and hub off. Chad… I have to argue here with you on the 100 lb figure you threw at me. I know I was tired, and I’m somewhat of a weak pup but geezzzz. That was NOT 100 lbs!!! You know, Gravity is always working. It came off… but without the tire guy it wouldn’t have gotten back on!!

Anyway, This was not the first time this had happened to this bus. There a quite a bit of old damage. The inner race, or cup was actually cracked completely through on one side and the new one was not a press, or even tight fit. The outer race I had to beat out. The hub was really boggered up inside and all I had a was a large file. I tried to clean it up as best I could. The tire guy helped with installing the new outer race. I went in ok about half way, and then just stopped. We worked on it for a while and managed to get it square but it wouldn’t go in any further. It was in far enough so I could get the inner nut on but that was all the thread there was. It was starting to get dark and he had to go to another call. A Greyhound with a blown front tire, of all things. So we decided “Go for it!” SO rather than a nut, locking ring and then a lock nut, we only have one nut holding things together. I was little concerned because it’s not a left hand thread so if the bearing grabbed, it would unscrew the nut. Oh well… it is what it is. The one part I couldn’t find was the hubcap that had the center blown out of it. So I took a plastic drain pan and cut the center out of it. I cut bolt holes in it and sandwiched it between the hub and what was left of the original cover using silicon on both sides. Then I cut an “X” in it, forced the gear oil bottles cap through and but about ½ a quart of gear oil in. Then silicon’d the “X” over.

The tire guy couldn’t come up with a 10X20 inner tube so, we dismounted the tire and I stowed it in the spare tire compartment. I then just mounted the wheel and put on the outer tire. I got finished just as it was getting dark. I decided to not try to drive at night and I still had the rental car to deal with. So I slept in the bus, (Sure wish I’d gotten the shower working before the trip) In the morning I went to a local Enterprise rental office and checked in the car and they drove me and the dogs back to the bus. She fired right up and I headed out…. Slowly in 3rd.

I stopped after a few miles to check things. Oil was holding and everything was nice and cool. The next leg I sped up a little and as soon as I cleared Phoenix traffic I stopped again to check. Again, holding oil and cool as the other hubs. From there I motored, uneventfully, to Benson, Az. I arrived about 2pm and hung out until Sherri got off of work. We then when to her house for….. a shower….. a nice dinner and …..wine. J This morning I aired her up and finished the last 130 miles home. No problems or issues at all.

To summarize…..

I never got around to checking the hub oil levels since I got the bus. My bad. I should have known better, and there isn’t an excuse but… it just wasn’t on the radar. It is now, and should be for everyone else. Go ahead… go check it now… I’ll wait. J This failure was coming since I left here on Friday I think. The way she drives and pulls hills now is very different than Friday or Saturday. These bearing have been eating themselves for a while.

My tool list has dramatically expanded after this. I had general hand tools, but nothing big. No big hammer, no big punch or chisel, no chain (to chain up the axle if needed) no 1” drive impact gun to get lug nuts off and no big pry bar or the like. I only had a 3/8 drive socket and the largest socket was what I needed to remove the end cap bolts. We need to be very self sufficient with that beauties. I’m thinking I need about everything I would need to do just short of an in-frame overhaul…. And that might not be a stretch. I’m lucky this happened as close to a major city as it did or I’d still be out there looking for parts. Does FedEx deliver to milepost markers? Ummmm….. I’ll have to ask.

I’m going to take it all apart again soon and do a full hub rebuild, on both sides, before the next trip. I’ll post a full parts list with part numbers etc soon. I left all the boxes in the bus today.

Thanks for everyone’s help, advice and support.

Jeff

Jeff Willard

#847

Silver City, NM

Hi Chad,
   Just sent $75 by PayPal (email: yeeolde48@...).
When you ship, just let me know the shipping cost and I will send it the same
way.
Many thanks, and hopefully we will be able to make it next time.
Cheers,
Dave

---- chad2 goertz <chadgoertz2@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> Hi Dave, I have your shirts here. They are $25 each, which includes shipping.
Please forward $75 to the address below. Personal check is fine, and I'll ship
them out right away. If you like to use PayPal, chadgoertz2@... is the email
address.
>
> Thanks, and hopefully we'll see you next year.
>
> Chad Goertz
> 9744 Soledad Canyon Rd
> Agua Dulce, CA 91390
>
>
>
> To: Scenicruiser21@yahoogroups.com
> CC: chadgoertz2@...
> From: yeeolde48@...
> Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 23:08:43 -0400
> Subject: Re: [Scenicruiser21] T-Shirts, Last Call.....
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Hi Chad,
> Sign me up for a couple of XL's and one small if you still have time. Let me
know the best way to pay you, paypal, check etc and will send money by return.
We are at 45011 (Hamilton OH) if you need to calculate shipping.
> Sorry we won't be able to join you this year.
> Cheers,
> Dave
> PD4501-304
>
> ---- chad_goertz <chadgoertz2@...> wrote:
> > Last call for t-shirts. If you haven't already, please email me directly
your size, and quantity wanted. chadgoertz2@.... Deadline is this Wednesday.
I will not be able to order anymore after that. For cost savings, I will deliver
them to whomever attends the event. All others will be mailed. We are only 3
weeks away!
> >
>
>
>
>

I have a 4501 scenicruiser I got a while back.  Because of the third trip to the
hospital for heart problems I will never be able to finish the conversion. I
will sell all for 3,000.00 or part it out.  Front windshield, set 500.00. upper
windshield, 350.00 passanger teardrop 200.00,driver side window complete two
smaii side window,good engine, 9 speed trans,  rediator with frame. Lots of
parts for conversion included shower, washer drier ect.  contact me thru
scenicruiser 21   papatony

Papatony,

I just emailed you. I am interested in the bus. Thank you for your time!

TJ



--- In Scenicruiser21@yahoogroups.com, "papatony23" <papatony23@...> wrote:
>
> I have a 4501 scenicruiser I got a while back.  Because of the third trip to
the hospital for heart problems I will never be able to finish the conversion. I
will sell all for 3,000.00 or part it out.  Front windshield, set 500.00. upper
windshield, 350.00 passanger teardrop 200.00,driver side window complete two
smaii side window,good engine, 9 speed trans,  rediator with frame. Lots of
parts for conversion included shower, washer drier ect.  contact me thru
scenicruiser 21   papatony
>

We are in central north Carolina near Greensboro.  The bus will have to be towed
or trailered.

--- In Scenicruiser21@yahoogroups.com, "papatony23" <papatony23@...> wrote:
>
> I have a 4501 scenicruiser I got a while back.  Because of the third trip to
the hospital for heart problems I will never be able to finish the conversion. I
will sell all for 3,000.00 or part it out.  Front windshield, set 500.00. upper
windshield, 350.00 passanger teardrop 200.00,driver side window complete two
smaii side window,good engine, 9 speed trans,  rediator with frame. Lots of
parts for conversion included shower, washer drier ect.  contact me thru
scenicruiser 21   papatony
>