Nice to see the Fanless 7600 cards for AGP

http://www.gigabyte.com.tw/Products/VGA/Products_Overview.aspx?ProductID=2334



--- In Silent-PC@yahoogroups.com, "krustybarthomer"
<krustybarthomer@...> wrote:
>
>
http://www.msi.com.tw/program/products/vga/vga/pro_vga_detail.php?UID=755
>
> I'm still seeing what other AGP 7600's arrive....
>
>
>
> --- In Silent-PC@yahoogroups.com, "krustybarthomer"
> <krustybarthomer@> wrote:
> >
> >
http://www.itnewsonline.com/showstory.php?storyid=4739&scatid=3&contid=2
> >
> > Leadtek Unveils WinFast A7600 GT TDH, A7600 GS TDH Graphics Cards
> >
>

I may hold out and see if anyone offers a Fanless AGP 7600GT .

Idle 7600GT - 14.6W
Idle 7600GS - 13.7W

You can always rig up a fan to go to 12v when in 3D,
and 5v when 2D.

http://xtreview.com/review134.htm


--- In Silent-PC@yahoogroups.com, "krustybarthomer"
<krustybarthomer@...> wrote:
>
> Nice to see the Fanless 7600 cards for AGP
>
>
http://www.gigabyte.com.tw/Products/VGA/Products_Overview.aspx?ProductID=2334
>
>
>
> --- In Silent-PC@yahoogroups.com, "krustybarthomer"
> <krustybarthomer@> wrote:
> >
> >
>
http://www.msi.com.tw/program/products/vga/vga/pro_vga_detail.php?UID=755
> >
> > I'm still seeing what other AGP 7600's arrive....
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In Silent-PC@yahoogroups.com, "krustybarthomer"
> > <krustybarthomer@> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> http://www.itnewsonline.com/showstory.php?storyid=4739&scatid=3&contid=2
> > >
> > > Leadtek Unveils WinFast A7600 GT TDH, A7600 GS TDH Graphics Cards
> > >
> >
>

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/amd-energy-efficient_6.html

This would be a nice start for a Silent- Gaming PC

http://www.msi.com.tw/program/products/vga/vga/pro_vga_detail.php?UID=744

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/amd-energy-efficient_6.html

Great start to a Silent Gaming PC

Decisions, decisions...

http://www.msi.com.tw/program/products/vga/vga/pro_vga_detail.php?UID=744

not sure if that'd really help because that's 11 watts
at idle, you don't play games at idle.  The Core 2 Duo
E6300 did better than any of the 64x2's at CPU burn:

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/amd-energy-efficient_8.html

i have a x64 so i'm not bashing the AMD64x2, i'm just
saying that posting energy efficient at idle is
practically worthless since the only time your PC is
idle is when you're not using it and it's not running
programs and if that's the case why is it on at all?



--- krustybarthomer <krustybarthomer@...> wrote:

>
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/amd-energy-efficient_6.html
>
> This would be a nice start for a Silent- Gaming PC
>
>
>
>
>
>
>


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Given that AMD has essentially obsolesced the 32-bit line and introduced a dual
core line, this computer is now is entry level, not really a games machine
Rusty.  Or at least not a fire-breathing, top-end one.

I am having a bit of trouble with my ASUS A7N8X-E Deluxe Motherboard, it does
not seem to support dual displays.  The thing is I am having trouble sourcing a
32-bit Athlon motherboard in Australia these days.  The only ones available are
the "cheap and cheerful" type.  So this tends to underline my comment Rusty.

Do not get me wrong, I mean, I use a 64-bit 3800 as my games machine too!  It
flies, I am perfectly happy with it.  Mind you, just as a potentially sensible
long-term approach (and like SMP computers) I did think about buying a dual core
Athlon games toy and moving the 3800 to the "normal usage" machine; this would
cost a small fortune at this stage.  I would need a new case, memory, drives,
video card; this is a long list just because ASUS stuffed up and AMD has upped
the game and obsolesced the Athlon 32.  The ASUS 32 would become a test machine.

This is a weird world that we live in.

John.


   ----- Original Message -----
   From: krustybarthomer
   To: Silent-PC@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Friday, August 04, 2006 11:43 AM
   Subject: [Silent-PC] Energy Efficient AMD Athlon 64 X2 3800+ 11 Watts Idle


   http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/amd-energy-efficient_6.html

   This would be a nice start for a Silent- Gaming PC



   __..


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Thank you mate.

When you look at the (particularly idle) power requirements you can see why AMD
are going this way Rusty... but  in my recent experience, cost the solution
fully before you jump.  If you do it properly you need new, and expensive memory
as well.  I find that the more the better, and the more the less merry.  I
recently had need to drop from 1GB 750MB to do some tests in a second machine,
the drop in performance was interesting.

So for a gaming machine, 1GB is - alarming as it sounds - pretty much the
minimum, and a preferred spec is 2GB.  I really need to buy a second GB for my
games machine!

John.


   ----- Original Message -----
   From: krustybarthomer
   To: Silent-PC@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Friday, August 04, 2006 1:06 PM
   Subject: [Silent-PC] Passive 7900 and the 11Watt Idle 3800+ AM2


   http://www.msi.com.tw/program/products/vga/vga/pro_vga_detail.php?UID=744

   http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/amd-energy-efficient_6.html

   Great start to a Silent Gaming PC

   Decisions, decisions...


   .


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My answer to your criticism/question James is that most PCs spend the vast
proportion of their time on idle.  This was the reason that SETI@home requested
that we run their screen saver - to use the massive idle processing power of all
those processors.  Note, that you can run SETI as a low priority task all the
time, and hardly notice that it is there.

If you are NOT running games, the CPU utilisation is hardly ever at 100% for
more that the briefest periods with modern PCs.  We live in a world where the
massive processing power available is used to provide the luxury of making us
efficient, not the computer.  Since the majority of processors are sold into
this environment, AMD would seem to be doing the right thing, would they not?

So I would say that AMD is absolutely on the right track with this processor -
IF they have a really smart, quiet cooling system to go with it.  Otherwise, we
get to have a lot of fun and expense.

John.


   ----- Original Message -----
   From: james
   To: Silent-PC@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Friday, August 04, 2006 1:18 PM
   Subject: Re: [Silent-PC] Energy Efficient AMD Athlon 64 X2 3800+ 11 Watts Idle


   not sure if that'd really help because that's 11 watts
   at idle, you don't play games at idle. The Core 2 Duo
   E6300 did better than any of the 64x2's at CPU burn:

   http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/amd-energy-efficient_8.html

   i have a x64 so i'm not bashing the AMD64x2, i'm just
   saying that posting energy efficient at idle is
   practically worthless since the only time your PC is
   idle is when you're not using it and it's not running
   programs and if that's the case why is it on at all?

   --- krustybarthomer <krustybarthomer@...> wrote:

   >
   http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/amd-energy-efficient_6.html
   >
   > This would be a nice start for a Silent- Gaming PC
   >
   >
   >
   >
   >
   >
   >

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John

Glad you see the point. Unless you're running a SETI type program,
your computer is almost always running very near idle power.

Agree this is not a Firebreather, but low idle power
is very important to a near Silent-PC. Not sure I'll
do another build and I hear you about
the expense of a whole new system.
That Conroe is not too bad at 26w.

I'm thinking I'll probably settle for a new
Fanless AGP 7600GS or 7600GT, and wait another
year before doing another build.

Cheers!

http://www.pbus-167.com/nhc/nhc.htm

I got it for my laptop and liked it so much I decided
to put it on my desktop.  Now my CPU temps are 15
degrees C lower than they were before.

I leave the laptop plugged in 99% of the time so it
doesn't help the battery life for me but with the
program the cpu fan hardly comes on making it much
quieter.

It's probably saving power on both so maybe my
electric bill will be a little lower this month.



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I want to upgrade to a dual core system for video editing as well as
audio editing. I require low noise levels as this is a studio type of
environment (voice commentary being added to video during editing).
What is a viable dual core CPU and motherboard that will need minimal
cooling.  Unfortunately video editing is processor intensive and can
take hours rendering - just the worst case for noise and cooling!  A
small water cooling system might be an alternative but I am not trying
to push every last Hz of processor speed, rather trying to reduce the
energy loss in the first place.
Richard

On 8/21/06, ferrymanr <richardferryman@...> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
> I want to upgrade to a dual core system for video editing as well as
>  audio editing. I require low noise levels as this is a studio type of
>  environment (voice commentary being added to video during editing).
>  What is a viable dual core CPU and motherboard that will need minimal
>  cooling. Unfortunately video editing is processor intensive and can
>  take hours rendering - just the worst case for noise and cooling! A
>  small water cooling system might be an alternative but I am not trying
>  to push every last Hz of processor speed, rather trying to reduce the
>  energy loss in the first place.
>  Richard
>
>

Hi Richard -

You would probably want to look at the latest generation of Intel
desktop processors, the  Core 2 Duo (aka Conroe).  These offer lower
power consumption and better performance compared to AMD's dual-core
processors.

http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2795&p=19

If you really want to create a quiet environment, a sure-fire way is
to stick the PC in a closet and run long cables to your workstation.

Ken


On 8/21/06, ferrymanr <richardferryman@...> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
> I want to upgrade to a dual core system for video editing as well as
>  audio editing. I require low noise levels as this is a studio type of
>  environment (voice commentary being added to video during editing).
>  What is a viable dual core CPU and motherboard that will need minimal
>  cooling. Unfortunately video editing is processor intensive and can
>  take hours rendering - just the worst case for noise and cooling! A
>  small water cooling system might be an alternative but I am not trying
>  to push every last Hz of processor speed, rather trying to reduce the
>  energy loss in the first place.
>  Richard
>
>

james 11/08/2006 20:39:
> http://www.pbus-167.com/nhc/nhc.htm
>
> I got it for my laptop and liked it so much I decided
> to put it on my desktop.  Now my CPU temps are 15
> degrees C lower than they were before.
>
> I leave the laptop plugged in 99% of the time so it
> doesn't help the battery life for me but with the
> program the cpu fan hardly comes on making it much
> quieter.
>
> It's probably saving power on both so maybe my
> electric bill will be a little lower this month.
>
As an alternative, I have been using SpeedSwitchXP
(http://www.diefer.de/speedswitchxp/index.html) for years, on a Dell
laptop (no, it did not explode, it is still working ;-) ) as well as on
my new Asus laptop. I haven't tried NHC yet, but from the descriptions,
I guess that NHC has more powerful options (such as driving the video
card) but requires .Net (pretty frequent now). Windows's task manager
reports that TaskSwitchXP uses 5496 bytes in memory. What about NHC, james?

--
Frederic Da Vitoria

"TaskSwitchXP uses 5496 bytes in memory"

I'm guessing you mean SpeedswitchXP and that's kBytes,
not bytes.  It uses 5528 k on the laptop, 4500 on the
desktop but i don't have all the features turned on on
the desktop.

looking at the photos of SpeedswitchXP I can tell you
NHC looks much better, it displays the current mhz in
the taskbar with a bar meter showing cpu utilization,
time left on battery, percentage of battery life left.
  See pictures:
http://www.pbus-167.com/nhc/nhc.htm



--- Frederic Da Vitoria <davitofl@...> wrote:

> james 11/08/2006 20:39:
> > http://www.pbus-167.com/nhc/nhc.htm
> >
> > I got it for my laptop and liked it so much I
> decided
> > to put it on my desktop.  Now my CPU temps are 15
> > degrees C lower than they were before.
> >
> > I leave the laptop plugged in 99% of the time so
> it
> > doesn't help the battery life for me but with the
> > program the cpu fan hardly comes on making it much
> > quieter.
> >
> > It's probably saving power on both so maybe my
> > electric bill will be a little lower this month.
> >
> As an alternative, I have been using SpeedSwitchXP
> (http://www.diefer.de/speedswitchxp/index.html) for
> years, on a Dell
> laptop (no, it did not explode, it is still working
> ;-) ) as well as on
> my new Asus laptop. I haven't tried NHC yet, but
> from the descriptions,
> I guess that NHC has more powerful options (such as
> driving the video
> card) but requires .Net (pretty frequent now).
> Windows's task manager
> reports that TaskSwitchXP uses 5496 bytes in memory.
> What about NHC, james?
>
> --
> Frederic Da Vitoria
>
>


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5528kB!  That's 5.5 meg.  That's a lot of memory isn't
it?  I think he/she does mean bytes and not kilobytes.

--- james <jhassi@...> wrote:

> "TaskSwitchXP uses 5496 bytes in memory"
>
> I'm guessing you mean SpeedswitchXP and that's
> kBytes,
> not bytes.  It uses 5528 k on the laptop, 4500 on
> the
> desktop but i don't have all the features turned on
> on
> the desktop.
>
> looking at the photos of SpeedswitchXP I can tell
> you
> NHC looks much better, it displays the current mhz
> in
> the taskbar with a bar meter showing cpu
> utilization,
> time left on battery, percentage of battery life
> left.
>  See pictures:
> http://www.pbus-167.com/nhc/nhc.htm
>
>
>
> --- Frederic Da Vitoria <davitofl@...> wrote:
>
> > james 11/08/2006 20:39:
> > > http://www.pbus-167.com/nhc/nhc.htm
> > >
> > > I got it for my laptop and liked it so much I
> > decided
> > > to put it on my desktop.  Now my CPU temps are
> 15
> > > degrees C lower than they were before.
> > >
> > > I leave the laptop plugged in 99% of the time so
> > it
> > > doesn't help the battery life for me but with
> the
> > > program the cpu fan hardly comes on making it
> much
> > > quieter.
> > >
> > > It's probably saving power on both so maybe my
> > > electric bill will be a little lower this month.
> > >
> > As an alternative, I have been using SpeedSwitchXP
>
> > (http://www.diefer.de/speedswitchxp/index.html)
> for
> > years, on a Dell
> > laptop (no, it did not explode, it is still
> working
> > ;-) ) as well as on
> > my new Asus laptop. I haven't tried NHC yet, but
> > from the descriptions,
> > I guess that NHC has more powerful options (such
> as
> > driving the video
> > card) but requires .Net (pretty frequent now).
> > Windows's task manager
> > reports that TaskSwitchXP uses 5496 bytes in
> memory.
> > What about NHC, james?
> >
> > --
> > Frederic Da Vitoria
> >
> >
>
>
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first, windows task manager only displays programs in
KByte, hence the "K" next to every program.

second, notepad uses 3,272 K, even System Idle Process
uses 28 K.

third, you will never use a program that's only 5496
bytes.  Actually you'll probably never use a program
that uses less than 1K.  "Hello World!" in C is about
5000 bytes and all it does it display "Hello World!"
to the screen, it's the first program most programmers
write when learning programming the first time.

I did write tic-tac-toe in assembly in college and it
was less than 4k but come on, who uses assembly to
write programs anymore?



--- Mon Lee <mon_wah_lee@...> wrote:

> 5528kB!  That's 5.5 meg.  That's a lot of memory
> isn't
> it?  I think he/she does mean bytes and not
> kilobytes.
>
> --- james <jhassi@...> wrote:
>
> > "TaskSwitchXP uses 5496 bytes in memory"
> >
> > I'm guessing you mean SpeedswitchXP and that's
> > kBytes,
> > not bytes.  It uses 5528 k on the laptop, 4500 on
> > the
> > desktop but i don't have all the features turned
> on
> > on
> > the desktop.
> >
> > looking at the photos of SpeedswitchXP I can tell
> > you
> > NHC looks much better, it displays the current mhz
> > in
> > the taskbar with a bar meter showing cpu
> > utilization,
> > time left on battery, percentage of battery life
> > left.
> >  See pictures:
> > http://www.pbus-167.com/nhc/nhc.htm
> >
> >
> >
> > --- Frederic Da Vitoria <davitofl@...> wrote:
> >
> > > james 11/08/2006 20:39:
> > > > http://www.pbus-167.com/nhc/nhc.htm
> > > >
> > > > I got it for my laptop and liked it so much I
> > > decided
> > > > to put it on my desktop.  Now my CPU temps are
> > 15
> > > > degrees C lower than they were before.
> > > >
> > > > I leave the laptop plugged in 99% of the time
> so
> > > it
> > > > doesn't help the battery life for me but with
> > the
> > > > program the cpu fan hardly comes on making it
> > much
> > > > quieter.
> > > >
> > > > It's probably saving power on both so maybe my
> > > > electric bill will be a little lower this
> month.
> > > >
> > > As an alternative, I have been using
> SpeedSwitchXP
> >
> > > (http://www.diefer.de/speedswitchxp/index.html)
> > for
> > > years, on a Dell
> > > laptop (no, it did not explode, it is still
> > working
> > > ;-) ) as well as on
> > > my new Asus laptop. I haven't tried NHC yet, but
> > > from the descriptions,
> > > I guess that NHC has more powerful options (such
> > as
> > > driving the video
> > > card) but requires .Net (pretty frequent now).
> > > Windows's task manager
> > > reports that TaskSwitchXP uses 5496 bytes in
> > memory.
> > > What about NHC, james?
> > >
> > > --
> > > Frederic Da Vitoria
> > >
> > >
> >
> >

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Yeap.  You're right.  For some reason that seemed kind
of high to me.  I guess I'm still in old DOS and Win
3.11 days.

--- james <jhassi@...> wrote:

> first, windows task manager only displays programs
> in
> KByte, hence the "K" next to every program.
>
> second, notepad uses 3,272 K, even System Idle
> Process
> uses 28 K.
>
> third, you will never use a program that's only 5496
> bytes.  Actually you'll probably never use a program
> that uses less than 1K.  "Hello World!" in C is
> about
> 5000 bytes and all it does it display "Hello World!"
> to the screen, it's the first program most
> programmers
> write when learning programming the first time.
>
> I did write tic-tac-toe in assembly in college and
> it
> was less than 4k but come on, who uses assembly to
> write programs anymore?
>
>
>
> --- Mon Lee <mon_wah_lee@...> wrote:
>
> > 5528kB!  That's 5.5 meg.  That's a lot of memory
> > isn't
> > it?  I think he/she does mean bytes and not
> > kilobytes.
> >
> > --- james <jhassi@...> wrote:
> >
> > > "TaskSwitchXP uses 5496 bytes in memory"
> > >
> > > I'm guessing you mean SpeedswitchXP and that's
> > > kBytes,
> > > not bytes.  It uses 5528 k on the laptop, 4500
> on
> > > the
> > > desktop but i don't have all the features turned
> > on
> > > on
> > > the desktop.
> > >
> > > looking at the photos of SpeedswitchXP I can
> tell
> > > you
> > > NHC looks much better, it displays the current
> mhz
> > > in
> > > the taskbar with a bar meter showing cpu
> > > utilization,
> > > time left on battery, percentage of battery life
> > > left.
> > >  See pictures:
> > > http://www.pbus-167.com/nhc/nhc.htm
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- Frederic Da Vitoria <davitofl@...>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > > james 11/08/2006 20:39:
> > > > > http://www.pbus-167.com/nhc/nhc.htm
> > > > >
> > > > > I got it for my laptop and liked it so much
> I
> > > > decided
> > > > > to put it on my desktop.  Now my CPU temps
> are
> > > 15
> > > > > degrees C lower than they were before.
> > > > >
> > > > > I leave the laptop plugged in 99% of the
> time
> > so
> > > > it
> > > > > doesn't help the battery life for me but
> with
> > > the
> > > > > program the cpu fan hardly comes on making
> it
> > > much
> > > > > quieter.
> > > > >
> > > > > It's probably saving power on both so maybe
> my
> > > > > electric bill will be a little lower this
> > month.
> > > > >
> > > > As an alternative, I have been using
> > SpeedSwitchXP
> > >
> > > >
> (http://www.diefer.de/speedswitchxp/index.html)
> > > for
> > > > years, on a Dell
> > > > laptop (no, it did not explode, it is still
> > > working
> > > > ;-) ) as well as on
> > > > my new Asus laptop. I haven't tried NHC yet,
> but
> > > > from the descriptions,
> > > > I guess that NHC has more powerful options
> (such
> > > as
> > > > driving the video
> > > > card) but requires .Net (pretty frequent now).
> > > > Windows's task manager
> > > > reports that TaskSwitchXP uses 5496 bytes in
> > > memory.
> > > > What about NHC, james?
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Frederic Da Vitoria
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
>
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Yeap.  You're right.  For some reason that seemed kind
of high to me.  I guess I'm still in old DOS and Win
3.11 days.

--- james <jhassi@...> wrote:

> first, windows task manager only displays programs
> in
> KByte, hence the "K" next to every program.
>
> second, notepad uses 3,272 K, even System Idle
> Process
> uses 28 K.
>
> third, you will never use a program that's only 5496
> bytes.  Actually you'll probably never use a program
> that uses less than 1K.  "Hello World!" in C is
> about
> 5000 bytes and all it does it display "Hello World!"
> to the screen, it's the first program most
> programmers
> write when learning programming the first time.
>
> I did write tic-tac-toe in assembly in college and
> it
> was less than 4k but come on, who uses assembly to
> write programs anymore?
>
>
>
> --- Mon Lee <mon_wah_lee@...> wrote:
>
> > 5528kB!  That's 5.5 meg.  That's a lot of memory
> > isn't
> > it?  I think he/she does mean bytes and not
> > kilobytes.
> >
> > --- james <jhassi@...> wrote:
> >
> > > "TaskSwitchXP uses 5496 bytes in memory"
> > >
> > > I'm guessing you mean SpeedswitchXP and that's
> > > kBytes,
> > > not bytes.  It uses 5528 k on the laptop, 4500
> on
> > > the
> > > desktop but i don't have all the features turned
> > on
> > > on
> > > the desktop.
> > >
> > > looking at the photos of SpeedswitchXP I can
> tell
> > > you
> > > NHC looks much better, it displays the current
> mhz
> > > in
> > > the taskbar with a bar meter showing cpu
> > > utilization,
> > > time left on battery, percentage of battery life
> > > left.
> > >  See pictures:
> > > http://www.pbus-167.com/nhc/nhc.htm
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- Frederic Da Vitoria <davitofl@...>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > > james 11/08/2006 20:39:
> > > > > http://www.pbus-167.com/nhc/nhc.htm
> > > > >
> > > > > I got it for my laptop and liked it so much
> I
> > > > decided
> > > > > to put it on my desktop.  Now my CPU temps
> are
> > > 15
> > > > > degrees C lower than they were before.
> > > > >
> > > > > I leave the laptop plugged in 99% of the
> time
> > so
> > > > it
> > > > > doesn't help the battery life for me but
> with
> > > the
> > > > > program the cpu fan hardly comes on making
> it
> > > much
> > > > > quieter.
> > > > >
> > > > > It's probably saving power on both so maybe
> my
> > > > > electric bill will be a little lower this
> > month.
> > > > >
> > > > As an alternative, I have been using
> > SpeedSwitchXP
> > >
> > > >
> (http://www.diefer.de/speedswitchxp/index.html)
> > > for
> > > > years, on a Dell
> > > > laptop (no, it did not explode, it is still
> > > working
> > > > ;-) ) as well as on
> > > > my new Asus laptop. I haven't tried NHC yet,
> but
> > > > from the descriptions,
> > > > I guess that NHC has more powerful options
> (such
> > > as
> > > > driving the video
> > > > card) but requires .Net (pretty frequent now).
> > > > Windows's task manager
> > > > reports that TaskSwitchXP uses 5496 bytes in
> > > memory.
> > > > What about NHC, james?
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Frederic Da Vitoria
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
>
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Right, SpeedSwitchXP.  And right, KBytes.

My previous memory usage was incorrect. I had checked history log, so
this was worse than the minimum. Now, it is slightly less: 3528Kb

I intend to try NHC. to see if what it does with my nVidia graphics
adapter. Then I will say what I think.

james 28/08/2006 19:27:
> "TaskSwitchXP uses 5496 bytes in memory"
>
> I'm guessing you mean SpeedswitchXP and that's kBytes,
> not bytes.  It uses 5528 k on the laptop, 4500 on the
> desktop but i don't have all the features turned on on
> the desktop.
>
> looking at the photos of SpeedswitchXP I can tell you
> NHC looks much better, it displays the current mhz in
> the taskbar with a bar meter showing cpu utilization,
> time left on battery, percentage of battery life left.
>  See pictures:
> http://www.pbus-167.com/nhc/nhc.htm
>
>
>
> --- Frederic Da Vitoria <davitofl@...> wrote:
>
>
>> james 11/08/2006 20:39:
>>
>>> http://www.pbus-167.com/nhc/nhc.htm
>>>
>>> I got it for my laptop and liked it so much I
>>>
>> decided
>>
>>> to put it on my desktop.  Now my CPU temps are 15
>>> degrees C lower than they were before.
>>>
>>> I leave the laptop plugged in 99% of the time so
>>>
>> it
>>
>>> doesn't help the battery life for me but with the
>>> program the cpu fan hardly comes on making it much
>>> quieter.
>>>
>>> It's probably saving power on both so maybe my
>>> electric bill will be a little lower this month.
>>>
>>>
>> As an alternative, I have been using SpeedSwitchXP
>> (http://www.diefer.de/speedswitchxp/index.html) for
>> years, on a Dell
>> laptop (no, it did not explode, it is still working
>> ;-) ) as well as on
>> my new Asus laptop. I haven't tried NHC yet, but
>> from the descriptions,
>> I guess that NHC has more powerful options (such as
>> driving the video
>> card) but requires .Net (pretty frequent now).
>> Windows's task manager
>> reports that TaskSwitchXP uses 5496 bytes in memory.
>> What about NHC, james?
>>
>> --
>> Frederic Da Vitoria
>>


--
Frederic Da Vitoria

I have installed NHC a few hours ago. Here are my first impressions.

The interface is indeed nice. It manages to include much more options
than SpeedSwitchXP and remain clear at the same time. NHC has correctly
detected my nVidia graphics adapter and is switching its mode depending
on whether I am using the battery or on AC. It has a few seemingly
powerful options such as ACPI programming (though this seems difficult
to use and the forum is in German) and CPU voltage control (to limit
heating and energy usage). I have been using CPU voltage control for a
few days now without any problem on AC as well as on battery.

The memory usage is strange. It oscillates between 2268 to 5312 Kbytes.
Anyhow, it is better than SpeedSwitchXP

Everything would be perfect but for three problems:
1 - the fonts used by the icons are too small. The developer is young
and/or he has a good pair of spectacles. The remaining battery time
black on blue display is difficult to read for me and there is no way to
choose either the font size, face or color.
2 - the way NHC handles the tray bar icons. Although NHC gives the user
almost full control over which tray icons he will display, these options
are split in two: battery icons and "advanced settings" icons. NHC
persists on keeping at least one tray bar icon (which I can understand,
without it, the user couldn't easily invoke NHC's user interface), but
this icon must be an "advanced settings" icon.
3 - The user forum is in German.

But these problems won't prevent me from using NHC on my laptop. It is
indeed obviously very efficient, much more detailed than SpeedSwitchXP
and reliable.

My next step is to use NHC on a desktop. My wife uses a Shuttle Zen with
a Centrino (I just had a problem the the Zen's motherboard, BTW). I
activated yesterday SpeedFan's log to get an idea of the current
temperatures. In a few days, I will install NHC and see how much it does
reduce temperature.

Frederic Da Vitoria 31/08/2006 16:44:
> Right, SpeedSwitchXP.  And right, KBytes.
>
> My previous memory usage was incorrect. I had checked history log, so
> this was worse than the minimum. Now, it is slightly less: 3528Kb
>
> I intend to try NHC. to see if what it does with my nVidia graphics
> adapter. Then I will say what I think.
>
> james 28/08/2006 19:27:
>
>> "TaskSwitchXP uses 5496 bytes in memory"
>>
>> I'm guessing you mean SpeedswitchXP and that's kBytes,
>> not bytes.  It uses 5528 k on the laptop, 4500 on the
>> desktop but i don't have all the features turned on on
>> the desktop.
>>
>> looking at the photos of SpeedswitchXP I can tell you
>> NHC looks much better, it displays the current mhz in
>> the taskbar with a bar meter showing cpu utilization,
>> time left on battery, percentage of battery life left.
>>  See pictures:
>> http://www.pbus-167.com/nhc/nhc.htm
>>
>>
>> --- Frederic Da Vitoria <davitofl@...> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> james 11/08/2006 20:39:
>>>
>>>
>>>> http://www.pbus-167.com/nhc/nhc.htm
>>>>
>>>> I got it for my laptop and liked it so much I
>>>>
>>> decided
>>>
>>>
>>>> to put it on my desktop.  Now my CPU temps are 15
>>>> degrees C lower than they were before.
>>>>
>>>> I leave the laptop plugged in 99% of the time so
>>>>
>>> it
>>>
>>>
>>>> doesn't help the battery life for me but with the
>>>> program the cpu fan hardly comes on making it much
>>>> quieter.
>>>>
>>>> It's probably saving power on both so maybe my
>>>> electric bill will be a little lower this month.
>>>>
>>> As an alternative, I have been using SpeedSwitchXP
>>> (http://www.diefer.de/speedswitchxp/index.html) for
>>> years, on a Dell
>>> laptop (no, it did not explode, it is still working
>>> ;-) ) as well as on
>>> my new Asus laptop. I haven't tried NHC yet, but
>>> from the descriptions,
>>> I guess that NHC has more powerful options (such as
>>> driving the video
>>> card) but requires .Net (pretty frequent now).
>>> Windows's task manager
>>> reports that TaskSwitchXP uses 5496 bytes in memory.
>>> What about NHC, james?
>>>
>>> --
>>> Frederic Da Vitoria
>>>

--
Frederic Da Vitoria

The reason it keeps the desktop so cool is it has the
ability to underclock the processor.  My stock speeds
are 2.4ghz (AMD64 4000+) and when running NHC it drops
it down to 1.35ghz, keeping the CPU at room temp
(24-26 C).  I don't know how well it'll work on a
Centrino but it should, however I have a friend with
dual core pentium and he said NHC couldn't underclock
his processor.

Good news:  they just released NHC 2.0 with several
fixes.  That's another good thing about NHC:  in the
past year the developer has released 6 updates to it,
so it's not some stagnant program with bugs that'll
never get fixed if you find a flaw.



--- Frederic Da Vitoria <davitofl@...> wrote:

> I have installed NHC a few hours ago. Here are my
> first impressions.
>
> The interface is indeed nice. It manages to include
> much more options
> than SpeedSwitchXP and remain clear at the same
> time. NHC has correctly
> detected my nVidia graphics adapter and is switching
> its mode depending
> on whether I am using the battery or on AC. It has a
> few seemingly
> powerful options such as ACPI programming (though
> this seems difficult
> to use and the forum is in German) and CPU voltage
> control (to limit
> heating and energy usage). I have been using CPU
> voltage control for a
> few days now without any problem on AC as well as on
> battery.
>
> The memory usage is strange. It oscillates between
> 2268 to 5312 Kbytes.
> Anyhow, it is better than SpeedSwitchXP
>
> Everything would be perfect but for three problems:
> 1 - the fonts used by the icons are too small. The
> developer is young
> and/or he has a good pair of spectacles. The
> remaining battery time
> black on blue display is difficult to read for me
> and there is no way to
> choose either the font size, face or color.
> 2 - the way NHC handles the tray bar icons. Although
> NHC gives the user
> almost full control over which tray icons he will
> display, these options
> are split in two: battery icons and "advanced
> settings" icons. NHC
> persists on keeping at least one tray bar icon
> (which I can understand,
> without it, the user couldn't easily invoke NHC's
> user interface), but
> this icon must be an "advanced settings" icon.
> 3 - The user forum is in German.
>
> But these problems won't prevent me from using NHC
> on my laptop. It is
> indeed obviously very efficient, much more detailed
> than SpeedSwitchXP
> and reliable.
>
> My next step is to use NHC on a desktop. My wife
> uses a Shuttle Zen with
> a Centrino (I just had a problem the the Zen's
> motherboard, BTW). I
> activated yesterday SpeedFan's log to get an idea of
> the current
> temperatures. In a few days, I will install NHC and
> see how much it does
> reduce temperature.
>
> Frederic Da Vitoria 31/08/2006 16:44:
> > Right, SpeedSwitchXP.  And right, KBytes.
> >
> > My previous memory usage was incorrect. I had
> checked history log, so
> > this was worse than the minimum. Now, it is
> slightly less: 3528Kb
> >
> > I intend to try NHC. to see if what it does with
> my nVidia graphics
> > adapter. Then I will say what I think.
> >
> > james 28/08/2006 19:27:
> >
> >> "TaskSwitchXP uses 5496 bytes in memory"
> >>
> >> I'm guessing you mean SpeedswitchXP and that's
> kBytes,
> >> not bytes.  It uses 5528 k on the laptop, 4500 on
> the
> >> desktop but i don't have all the features turned
> on on
> >> the desktop.
> >>
> >> looking at the photos of SpeedswitchXP I can tell
> you
> >> NHC looks much better, it displays the current
> mhz in
> >> the taskbar with a bar meter showing cpu
> utilization,
> >> time left on battery, percentage of battery life
> left.
> >>  See pictures:
> >> http://www.pbus-167.com/nhc/nhc.htm
> >>
> >>
> >> --- Frederic Da Vitoria <davitofl@...> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>> james 11/08/2006 20:39:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> http://www.pbus-167.com/nhc/nhc.htm
> >>>>
> >>>> I got it for my laptop and liked it so much I
> >>>>
> >>> decided
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> to put it on my desktop.  Now my CPU temps are
> 15
> >>>> degrees C lower than they were before.
> >>>>
> >>>> I leave the laptop plugged in 99% of the time
> so
> >>>>
> >>> it
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> doesn't help the battery life for me but with
> the
> >>>> program the cpu fan hardly comes on making it
> much
> >>>> quieter.
> >>>>
> >>>> It's probably saving power on both so maybe my
> >>>> electric bill will be a little lower this
> month.
> >>>>
> >>> As an alternative, I have been using
> SpeedSwitchXP
> >>> (http://www.diefer.de/speedswitchxp/index.html)
> for
> >>> years, on a Dell
> >>> laptop (no, it did not explode, it is still
> working
> >>> ;-) ) as well as on
> >>> my new Asus laptop. I haven't tried NHC yet, but
> >>> from the descriptions,
> >>> I guess that NHC has more powerful options (such
> as
> >>> driving the video
> >>> card) but requires .Net (pretty frequent now).
> >>> Windows's task manager
> >>> reports that TaskSwitchXP uses 5496 bytes in
> memory.
> >>> What about NHC, james?
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Frederic Da Vitoria
> >>>
>
> --
> Frederic Da Vitoria
>
>


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Wrong processor name in my previous message: my wife has a Celeron, not
a Centrino (which is not a processor anyway). If it had been a Centrino,
it could have worked, of course, just as it did in my laptop. But she
has a plain Celeron, unable to adjust it's ferquency, so just as
expected, nothing happened. NHC obviously knew it: it did not offer me
voltage adjustments. After a few days of tests (and logging), I got
about the same temperatures all in all. The adjustment of the ATI
graphics apparently didn't change anything :-( Good point: NHC didn't
break anything, it just proved useless in this case.

On my laptop, I am still quite happy with it. Setting NHC to Dynamic
Switching both on AC and on battery. On battery, dynamic switching has
almost no longevity penalty (the ASUS option was to force the processor
to it's lowest wpeed), and on AC the ventilator switches to high speed
much less frequently, which is quite an improvment!

james 07/09/2006 02:08:
> The reason it keeps the desktop so cool is it has the
> ability to underclock the processor.  My stock speeds
> are 2.4ghz (AMD64 4000+) and when running NHC it drops
> it down to 1.35ghz, keeping the CPU at room temp
> (24-26 C).  I don't know how well it'll work on a
> Centrino but it should, however I have a friend with
> dual core pentium and he said NHC couldn't underclock
> his processor.
>
> Good news:  they just released NHC 2.0 with several
> fixes.  That's another good thing about NHC:  in the
> past year the developer has released 6 updates to it,
> so it's not some stagnant program with bugs that'll
> never get fixed if you find a flaw.
>
>
>
> --- Frederic Da Vitoria <davitofl@...> wrote:
>
>
>> I have installed NHC a few hours ago. Here are my
>> first impressions.
>>
>> The interface is indeed nice. It manages to include
>> much more options
>> than SpeedSwitchXP and remain clear at the same
>> time. NHC has correctly
>> detected my nVidia graphics adapter and is switching
>> its mode depending
>> on whether I am using the battery or on AC. It has a
>> few seemingly
>> powerful options such as ACPI programming (though
>> this seems difficult
>> to use and the forum is in German) and CPU voltage
>> control (to limit
>> heating and energy usage). I have been using CPU
>> voltage control for a
>> few days now without any problem on AC as well as on
>> battery.
>>
>> The memory usage is strange. It oscillates between
>> 2268 to 5312 Kbytes.
>> Anyhow, it is better than SpeedSwitchXP
>>
>> Everything would be perfect but for three problems:
>> 1 - the fonts used by the icons are too small. The
>> developer is young
>> and/or he has a good pair of spectacles. The
>> remaining battery time
>> black on blue display is difficult to read for me
>> and there is no way to
>> choose either the font size, face or color.
>> 2 - the way NHC handles the tray bar icons. Although
>> NHC gives the user
>> almost full control over which tray icons he will
>> display, these options
>> are split in two: battery icons and "advanced
>> settings" icons. NHC
>> persists on keeping at least one tray bar icon
>> (which I can understand,
>> without it, the user couldn't easily invoke NHC's
>> user interface), but
>> this icon must be an "advanced settings" icon.
>> 3 - The user forum is in German.
>>
>> But these problems won't prevent me from using NHC
>> on my laptop. It is
>> indeed obviously very efficient, much more detailed
>> than SpeedSwitchXP
>> and reliable.
>>
>> My next step is to use NHC on a desktop. My wife
>> uses a Shuttle Zen with
>> a Centrino (I just had a problem the the Zen's
>> motherboard, BTW). I
>> activated yesterday SpeedFan's log to get an idea of
>> the current
>> temperatures. In a few days, I will install NHC and
>> see how much it does
>> reduce temperature.
>>
>> Frederic Da Vitoria 31/08/2006 16:44:
>>
>>> Right, SpeedSwitchXP.  And right, KBytes.
>>>
>>> My previous memory usage was incorrect. I had
>>>
>> checked history log, so
>>
>>> this was worse than the minimum. Now, it is
>>>
>> slightly less: 3528Kb
>>
>>> I intend to try NHC. to see if what it does with
>>>
>> my nVidia graphics
>>
>>> adapter. Then I will say what I think.
>>>
>>> james 28/08/2006 19:27:
>>>
>>>
>>>> "TaskSwitchXP uses 5496 bytes in memory"
>>>>
>>>> I'm guessing you mean SpeedswitchXP and that's
>>>>
>> kBytes,
>>
>>>> not bytes.  It uses 5528 k on the laptop, 4500 on
>>>>
>> the
>>
>>>> desktop but i don't have all the features turned
>>>>
>> on on
>>
>>>> the desktop.
>>>>
>>>> looking at the photos of SpeedswitchXP I can tell
>>>>
>> you
>>
>>>> NHC looks much better, it displays the current
>>>>
>> mhz in
>>
>>>> the taskbar with a bar meter showing cpu
>>>>
>> utilization,
>>
>>>> time left on battery, percentage of battery life
>>>>
>> left.
>>
>>>>  See pictures:
>>>> http://www.pbus-167.com/nhc/nhc.htm
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --- Frederic Da Vitoria <davitofl@...> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> james 11/08/2006 20:39:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.pbus-167.com/nhc/nhc.htm
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I got it for my laptop and liked it so much I
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> decided
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> to put it on my desktop.  Now my CPU temps are
>>>>>>
>> 15
>>
>>>>>> degrees C lower than they were before.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I leave the laptop plugged in 99% of the time
>>>>>>
>> so
>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> it
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> doesn't help the battery life for me but with
>>>>>>
>> the
>>
>>>>>> program the cpu fan hardly comes on making it
>>>>>>
>> much
>>
>>>>>> quieter.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's probably saving power on both so maybe my
>>>>>> electric bill will be a little lower this
>>>>>>
>> month.
>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> As an alternative, I have been using
>>>>>
>> SpeedSwitchXP
>>
>>>>> (http://www.diefer.de/speedswitchxp/index.html)
>>>>>
>> for
>>
>>>>> years, on a Dell
>>>>> laptop (no, it did not explode, it is still
>>>>>
>> working
>>
>>>>> ;-) ) as well as on
>>>>> my new Asus laptop. I haven't tried NHC yet, but
>>>>> from the descriptions,
>>>>> I guess that NHC has more powerful options (such
>>>>>
>> as
>>
>>>>> driving the video
>>>>> card) but requires .Net (pretty frequent now).
>>>>> Windows's task manager
>>>>> reports that TaskSwitchXP uses 5496 bytes in
>>>>>
>> memory.
>>
>>>>> What about NHC, james?
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Frederic Da Vitoria
>>>>>
>>>>>
>> --
>> Frederic Da Vitoria
>>
>>


--
Frederic Da Vitoria

Hello Frederic,

from 'http://www.pbus-167.com/nhc/nhc_faq.htm'
" How do I can change the color and visibility of the system tray icons?
You can change the color and visibility of the system tray icons in the NHC
advanced settings section. "

Met vriendelijke groet,
With friendly greetings,

Martin de Vos
compy@...
12-10-2006

======= Op 06-09-2006, 09:52:38 schreef u: =======
> snip ...
>Everything would be perfect but for three problems:
>1 - the fonts used by the icons are too small. The developer is young
>and/or he has a good pair of spectacles. The remaining battery time
>black on blue display is difficult to read for me and there is no way to
>choose either the font size, face or color.
>snip ...
= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =

Perfect! I don't know if I missed it the first time or if it has been
added in one of the updates I installed (I think I updated at least
once), but anyhow, this improves readability quite a lot!

Thanks.

Martin de Vos 12/10/2006 11:17:
> Hello Frederic,
>
> from 'http://www.pbus-167.com/nhc/nhc_faq.htm'
> " How do I can change the color and visibility of the system tray icons?
> You can change the color and visibility of the system tray icons in the NHC
advanced settings section. "
>
> Met vriendelijke groet,
> With friendly greetings,
>
> Martin de Vos
> compy@...
> 12-10-2006
>
> ======= Op 06-09-2006, 09:52:38 schreef u: =======
>
>> snip ...
>> Everything would be perfect but for three problems:
>> 1 - the fonts used by the icons are too small. The developer is young
>> and/or he has a good pair of spectacles. The remaining battery time
>> black on blue display is difficult to read for me and there is no way to
>> choose either the font size, face or color.
>> snip ...
>>


--
Frederic Da Vitoria

Hello all, and Happy Boxing Day!
I have a Toshiba laptop that's on its last legs and need to buy
something new. I would like something very quiet. Small would be good
too. And either desktop or laptop. Any suggestions?

Also Microsoft seems to be so unethical and irritating to function, I
am thinking of maybe Linux or Mac. On my Toshiba I was running Ubuntu,
which seemed excellant, except or the various software problems (maybe
due to my old hardware?) Anyway seemed nicer to me than Windows or
Mac. (If only it worked properly!)

So are there any great systems with preinstalled Linux or Linux easily
working with it? Or do people think the Mac Mini is good, for example?

Thank you!
Justin

Hi,

I think that new iMac could be the right choise for you:

http://www.silentpcreview.com/article306-page1.html
http://www.silentpcreview.com/article594-page1.html
http://www.silentpcreview.com/article693-page1.html


   ----- Original Message -----
   From: justinasia
   To: Silent-PC@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Tuesday, December 26, 2006 2:20 PM
   Subject: [Silent-PC] Need a quiet computer, and don't like Microsoft!


   Hello all, and Happy Boxing Day!
   I have a Toshiba laptop that's on its last legs and need to buy
   something new. I would like something very quiet. Small would be good
   too. And either desktop or laptop. Any suggestions?

   Also Microsoft seems to be so unethical and irritating to function, I
   am thinking of maybe Linux or Mac. On my Toshiba I was running Ubuntu,
   which seemed excellant, except or the various software problems (maybe
   due to my old hardware?) Anyway seemed nicer to me than Windows or
   Mac. (If only it worked properly!)

   So are there any great systems with preinstalled Linux or Linux easily
   working with it? Or do people think the Mac Mini is good, for example?

   Thank you!
   Justin





[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hi, Justin

As a BSD user, I'd say that any Macs are good.
With Fink (http://fink.sourceforge.net/), you can do a lot of things
really easily.
I run MythTV frontend on my iBook and watch TV anywhere in the house on it.
(http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Myth_on_Mac_OS_X)

MacBook is the least expensive laptop from Apple and very capable and small.
If you don't like the smallish screen size (1280x800), it might not be
for you.
MacMini or iMac is really your preference. iMac tends to be less
reliable than MacMini.
(Google "reliability mac mini  site:macintouch.com". )

All macs are relatively quiet, but, some units do have noise issues.
Those comes from manufacturing defects and you can take it back.

If you want to stick with x86 Linux, there are a couple of places that
sells laptops with Linux, but, I don't have any personal experience with it.
I'd probably choose AMD64 x2 laptop as it is cheaper than Intel.

Good luck.

--
Naoyuki "Tai" Tai, ntai a t smartfruit d o t com


justinasia wrote:

> Hello all, and Happy Boxing Day!
> I have a Toshiba laptop that's on its last legs and need to buy
> something new. I would like something very quiet. Small would be good
> too. And either desktop or laptop. Any suggestions?
>
> Also Microsoft seems to be so unethical and irritating to function, I
> am thinking of maybe Linux or Mac. On my Toshiba I was running Ubuntu,
> which seemed excellant, except or the various software problems (maybe
> due to my old hardware?) Anyway seemed nicer to me than Windows or
> Mac. (If only it worked properly!)
>
> So are there any great systems with preinstalled Linux or Linux easily
> working with it? Or do people think the Mac Mini is good, for example?
>
> Thank you!
> Justin
>
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I have a CompUSA a few miles away, and they are my main equipment supplier.
So, when I blew a PS, that's where I went to shop. The hade a range of
units, from 350watt generic to 1500watt boutique, but what I needed was a
silent PS for my home theater PC.
No friggeing luck. I tried three units, from CoolerMaster, MasterPower, and
Antec. All said Silent or Noiseless on the box (ha!) all were bay far the
loudest component in my system,and were unacceptable.

So I drove to to San Jose, and went to Central Computer, and bought an S12
Energy+ 550 watt supply. The thing is simply the quietest fan-cooled power
supply I've owned.  I've used the recommended "quiet" models from Enermax,
Corsair, and Antec, and this one is the best. Modular cabling would be nice,
and I did NOT like that the -12v  4 pin connector had to be CUT off of the
20 pin ATX connector, but the "EZ-swap" hard drive Molex connectors made up
for it :)

As I later found on "Silent PC Reviews"
http://www.silentpcreview.com/article656-page4.html
"What this means is that the Energy Plus should be close to inaudible in
almost every system. "

Just FYI!

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