Rockstone Lane, between Onslow Road and The Avenue.

Peek are a traffic signal company, but are a sister company to the Dutch company
selling the Lumis LED.


--- In StreetlightingUK@yahoogroups.com, "we1sbach" <cpg.cowesiw@...> wrote:
>
> Thanks Steve - which Soton street are we talking about?!? (I'll be there
shortly...)
>
> Is the Peek manufacturer an alias for an existing make, or a new kid on the
block? Their green LED lantern looks more like a traditional street lamp, and
the green colour seems closer to the tint shown by a gas mantle - hence more
convincing for heritage lanterns...?
>
> Cheers, Chris G.
>
>
> --- In StreetlightingUK@yahoogroups.com, "sotonsteve" <sotonsteve1987@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > --- In StreetlightingUK@yahoogroups.com, "we1sbach" <cpg.cowesiw@> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > And what would an LED heritage lantern look like....?
> > >
> > > Cheers, Chris G.
> > >
> >
> >
> > http://www.jw-uk-ltd.co.uk/html/heritage_led.html
> >
> > In the case of Southampton's LED lanterns, it would look like a conventional
heritage lantern with a plastic refractor ring that attempts but fails miserably
to spread the light more evenly. In the case of Southampton, the lanterns use a
Philips 45w Fortimo LED unit, which produces a measly 2000 lumens of light,
directed straight down onto the column and immediate surroundings of the
columns. Supposedly with LED you can get away with fewer lumens. These LED units
produce around two-thirds the luminous output of 36w PL-L, and I can assure you,
36w PL-L is very noticeably brighter, and at a reduced power consumption too.
It's the darkest street in Southampton by a long shot. You might as well be
walking through an unlit park.
> >
> > So if you want an LED heritage lantern, don't follow Southampton's example!
> >
>

That's a thought - how many LED cells would have equivalent brightness to one
gas mantle?

Actually some CFL types resemble a gas mantle more than most electric lighting -
a similar shape to the inverted mantle, anyway....

Cheers, Chris G

--- In StreetlightingUK@yahoogroups.com, "Peter Rivet" <peter@...> wrote:
>
> I think an LED heritage lantern has possibilities.  If the colour of its
> output could be adjusted to make it more more yellow and less blue it would
> be able to replicate the effect of a gas lamp with a cluster of mantles.
>
> Peter
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

I think an LED heritage lantern has possibilities.  If the colour of its
output could be adjusted to make it more more yellow and less blue it would
be able to replicate the effect of a gas lamp with a cluster of mantles.

Peter


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Thanks Steve - which Soton street are we talking about?!? (I'll be there
shortly...)

Is the Peek manufacturer an alias for an existing make, or a new kid on the
block? Their green LED lantern looks more like a traditional street lamp, and
the green colour seems closer to the tint shown by a gas mantle - hence more
convincing for heritage lanterns...?

Cheers, Chris G.


--- In StreetlightingUK@yahoogroups.com, "sotonsteve" <sotonsteve1987@...>
wrote:
>
>
> --- In StreetlightingUK@yahoogroups.com, "we1sbach" <cpg.cowesiw@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > And what would an LED heritage lantern look like....?
> >
> > Cheers, Chris G.
> >
>
>
> http://www.jw-uk-ltd.co.uk/html/heritage_led.html
>
> In the case of Southampton's LED lanterns, it would look like a conventional
heritage lantern with a plastic refractor ring that attempts but fails miserably
to spread the light more evenly. In the case of Southampton, the lanterns use a
Philips 45w Fortimo LED unit, which produces a measly 2000 lumens of light,
directed straight down onto the column and immediate surroundings of the
columns. Supposedly with LED you can get away with fewer lumens. These LED units
produce around two-thirds the luminous output of 36w PL-L, and I can assure you,
36w PL-L is very noticeably brighter, and at a reduced power consumption too.
It's the darkest street in Southampton by a long shot. You might as well be
walking through an unlit park.
>
> So if you want an LED heritage lantern, don't follow Southampton's example!
>

--- In StreetlightingUK@yahoogroups.com, "we1sbach" <cpg.cowesiw@...> wrote:
>
>
> And what would an LED heritage lantern look like....?
>
> Cheers, Chris G.
>


http://www.jw-uk-ltd.co.uk/html/heritage_led.html

In the case of Southampton's LED lanterns, it would look like a conventional
heritage lantern with a plastic refractor ring that attempts but fails miserably
to spread the light more evenly. In the case of Southampton, the lanterns use a
Philips 45w Fortimo LED unit, which produces a measly 2000 lumens of light,
directed straight down onto the column and immediate surroundings of the
columns. Supposedly with LED you can get away with fewer lumens. These LED units
produce around two-thirds the luminous output of 36w PL-L, and I can assure you,
36w PL-L is very noticeably brighter, and at a reduced power consumption too.
It's the darkest street in Southampton by a long shot. You might as well be
walking through an unlit park.

So if you want an LED heritage lantern, don't follow Southampton's example!

Most LED lanterns rely on white LED technology, including the WRTL Stela.

However, an interesting development appears to be the Innolumis Lumis LED
lantern:

http://www.peek.co.uk/products/View_Products_Category.asp?CatpageId=6

http://www.innolumis.com/

This LED fitting relies on a mixture of green and red LEDs to offer either a
green light output (Lumis Mesopic Green) or a warmer white (Lumis EcoWhite)
output. Wattages are 8w, 14w and 22w for the Green, and 16w, 24w and 36w for the
EcoWhite.

There are some 24w EcoWhite versions being trialled in Plymouth.

This LED technology seems more interesting, due to the more scientific approach
applied. It plays upon spectral properties, and green offers the greatest
clarity and vision at night. However, green alone is monochromatic, so red is
used to improve the colour rendering to make the light more acceptable. The end
result is supposedly a LED lantern that is more efficient.

Ah - where in Welshpool are they? (It's possible I may be going there in the New
Year). I've been trying to envisage how Stela's might be used on installations
mounted on electricity supply poles - of which there are a fair few both in
Wales and on the IW.

Yes, I had the same experience of working further along Newport Quay (this
section is still unlit despite being fairly well-used these days) and being
dazzled by a very bright LED cycle lamp - lit up the road far more than the
massive STELA further along.

And what would an LED heritage lantern look like....?

Cheers, Chris G.

--- In StreetlightingUK@yahoogroups.com, "Richard W. Jones" <lists@...> wrote:
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: StreetlightingUK@yahoogroups.com
> > [mailto:StreetlightingUK@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of we1sbach
> > Sent: 18 November 2009 20:34
> > To: StreetlightingUK@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [StreetlightingUK] Re: Onward march of the LEDs in Lancaster
> >
> > Anyway, I was surprised and grattified to see the fitting being tried on
> the Isle of
> > Wight; are there similar LED incursions across the country...?
> >
> > Cheers, Chris G.
>
> There are now some in Welshpool, and pretty hopeless they are. My Energizer
> LED head torch probably produces more light than they do. They seem to
> produce a circle of light on the ground about 3ft in diameter or so, and
> very little if any light outside of that circle. But the way Powys CC are
> going, there may not be a streetlighting department left before long.
> (Another story, and quite a long one.)
>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: StreetlightingUK@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:StreetlightingUK@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of we1sbach
> Sent: 18 November 2009 20:34
> To: StreetlightingUK@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [StreetlightingUK] Re: Onward march of the LEDs in Lancaster
>
> Anyway, I was surprised and grattified to see the fitting being tried on
the Isle of
> Wight; are there similar LED incursions across the country...?
>
> Cheers, Chris G.

There are now some in Welshpool, and pretty hopeless they are. My Energizer
LED head torch probably produces more light than they do. They seem to
produce a circle of light on the ground about 3ft in diameter or so, and
very little if any light outside of that circle. But the way Powys CC are
going, there may not be a streetlighting department left before long.
(Another story, and quite a long one.)

And lo, I was abiding in the streets of Newport this evening and passing along
the Quayside, when I beheld a great light as yet afar off. And as I drew near I
detected the dappled appearance of an LED streetlight, and as I drew even nearer
I saw the unmistakable outline of a WRTL Stela - 52 diode light fitting glinting
away in all its glory!

Difficult to get an impression of the full effect, as there was light from SON
heritage lanterns was all around, and from SON and metal halide from SRL8's on
the elevated section on Medina Way. However, the distance the light was cast,
even from this giant fitting, seemed limited - also the upward curved sides
meant there was noticeable glare approaching it from either side.

Anyway, I was surprised and grattified to see the fitting being tried on the
Isle of Wight; are there similar LED incursions across the country...?

Cheers, Chris G.




--- In StreetlightingUK@yahoogroups.com, "we1sbach" <cpg.corwynt@...> wrote:
>
> Hi all - here's the reply I had from the Energy Saving Trust in Milton Keynes
about LED's:
>
>
> At this stage in time we have no LED products endorsed as yet, but have 3
applications in the pipeline. We hope to have some endorsed products in place by
December. Our website will be updated as and when LED's become accredited.
>
> Cheers
> Chris G.
>
>
>
> --- In StreetlightingUK@yahoogroups.com, tluck63312@ wrote:
> >
> >
> > Hi.
> >
> > I seen 1 in Preston last week . It was on a side road just of blackpool road
?  If I had the time I would have stop to look at it .
> >
> >
> > BEST REGARDS
> >
> > TIM
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: we1sbach <cpg.corwynt@>
> > To: StreetlightingUK@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 7:21
> > Subject: [StreetlightingUK] Re: Onward march of the LEDs in Lancaster
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Apparently in Middlesbrough too, look here:
> >
> >
http://www.wrtl.co.uk/news-and-stories/road-and-amenity/bbc-news-features-stela-\
led-street-lighting
> >
> > Chris G.
> >
> > --- In StreetlightingUK@yahoogroups.com, "Peter Rivet" <peter@> wrote:
> > >
> > > If anyone wants to collect an Industria there must be quite a few going in
> > > Lancaster at present. The WRTL Stela LEDs have now started to appear south
> > > of the river Lune as well as north of it. It looks as if the County
Council
> > > intends eventually to equip all our side streets with them.
> > >
> > > They look quite good after dark. It's just that during the day they look
> > > more like a tea tray than a lantern. It takes a bit of getting used to!
> > >
> > > Peter
> > >
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>

Hello all,

A quick note to let anyone interested know that the Welshpool Smithfield is
currently being dismantled as the livestock market has relocated to a new
site outside of town. Though I can't point you to the photos I took there a
few years ago, some of you may remember that they have a Thorn Alpha 1
there, and a couple of Thorn/Atlas Alpha 3. The bowl is cracked on one of
this pair, and the bulb is hanging out, but the rest of it looks in
reasonable nick. They both still work. There are various other yard lamps,
and a couple of unknown Revo (I think) items on the side of some buildings.

As much as I'd love to add this little lot to my collection, family
circumstances mean that I'm not in a position to do anything about it, and
I'd hate to see them all end up in a skip, so anyone interested needs to
contact Morris, Marshall, and Poole auctioneers in Welshpool and ask to
speak to someone about salvaging items from the old Smithfield site. The
site office is next to the Boys & Boden entrance. Google is your friend
here.

Regards,

Richard



--
Richard W. Jones, Welshpool

Great pics Adam

I don't really want one of them in my collection (much) but if you could fix it
for me Jim and all that >>>>>>and if I could take the Pee and have one of them
Brandon group A Phosco's <<<<<<< I can hear bacon frying now.
seriously though top stuff, thanks for sharing it with us.

Cheers

Colin F.

   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Adam Lachlan
   To: StreetlightingUK@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2009 4:20 PM
   Subject: Re: [StreetlightingUK] Great Cornard



   Apologies for the broken link, try this one
http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v161/ClerkByron/Great%20Cornard/

   "I now challenge anyone else to find another mercury gear-in-head Beta 9 still
in nightly service on Britain's public roads in 2009."
   Of course, now that I've said that Simon will probably tell me there's loads!
:)

   Adam

   [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]





[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Apologies for the broken link, try this one
http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v161/ClerkByron/Great%20Cornard/

"I now challenge anyone else to find another mercury gear-in-head Beta 9 still
in nightly service on Britain's public roads in 2009."
Of course, now that I've said that Simon will probably tell me there's loads! :)


Adam

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hi all,

It's the Great Cornard Beta 9s again, all glowing in SON. Or so I thought. I
discovered another Beta 9 sneakily tucked away in a narrow side street where all
the lanterns, including this Beta 9, are still mercury. Even by Great Cornard's
standards  (as if 20+ gear-in-head Beta 9s wasn't uncommon enough) this is
unusual as although the inner housing estates are chiefly mercury, the Beta 9s
were confined to the main thoroughfares which were converted to SON at a later
stage.

I have uploaded some photographs of this relic warming up.
http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v161/ClerkByron/Great%20Cornard/ I now
challenge anyone else to find another mercury gear-in-head Beta 9 still in
nightly service on Britain's public roads in 2009.


Adam

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Adam Lachlan wrote:

>They consist of old CU Highway? columns with what look like Thorn/Atlas Alpha
7s.
Looks like an ultra-rare installation of old Phosware P151 lanterns. A nice
find.

All the best,
Simon

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hi all,

I went to visit the town of Brandon on Wednesday, a veritable streetlighting
goldmine. This was partially through being tipped off about some rare GEC
lanterns on the London Road (thanks to Tim for that), and also to visit the
brewery shop. The weather was dismal and overcast all day, and it was already
after dark by the time I reached London Road (I noted two columns and lanterns
of the type Tim photographed about this time last year) but I was able to record
some rarities which still survive on the busy High Street, plus a railway
survivor at the level crossing. They consist of old CU Highway? columns with
what look like Thorn/Atlas Alpha 7s. The 5m drop down column at the level
crossing is unusually still painted green, and the GEC Z8896 is in good
condition. It is most likely to be derelict but is probably still set up to run
mercury lamps. Brandon train station is close by, the same columns are used with
Urbis ZX1s 10+ years old. The columns will
  have been repainted several times as the railway company contracts in Suffolk
keep changing every few years.

Without rambling on further, I'll let the photos do the talking.
http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v161/ClerkByron/Brandon/ Despite my best
efforts to enhance them, some photos are not very clear due to the weather and
my cheap old camera. I will revisit when the weather improves, and when I've
drunk all my beer.


Adam


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hi all - I take it that means all new type B lighting will be CFL - not all
converted to CFL by March 2010...?!

Good news all the same imo!
Cheers, Chris G.

--- In StreetlightingUK@yahoogroups.com, Peter Owen <pete.owen1@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Col
>
> Surrey set to be all CFL for PFI in March 2010! Work on clearing the yard
started this week in preperation to accomodate the PFI contract so looks like
its all go now!
>
> Cheers,
>
> Pete.
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: we1sbach <cpg.cowesiw@...>
> To: StreetlightingUK@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wed, 11 November, 2009 20:49:40
> Subject: [StreetlightingUK] Re: Street Lighting Upgrades
>
>
> Oh - glad CFL is making inroads. Are the Sapphires the cut-off or the deep
bowl type - and what colour the canopie...?
>
> Cheers, Chris G.
>
> --- In StreetlightingUK@ yahoogroups. com, "colinfowler" <colinfowler062@ ...>
wrote:
> >
> > Hi Chaps
> >
> > The Sapphire one and two in grey finish are King around Crawley for new
> > installations followed by 36 or 55w Residiums at the moment.
> >
> > Who knows what the PFI will bring us next year though.
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > Colin F.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: StreetlightingUK@ yahoogroups. com
> > [mailto:StreetlightingUK@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Aiden H
> > Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2009 4:40 PM
> > To: streetlightinguk@ yahoogroups. com
> > Subject: RE: [StreetlightingUK] Street Lighting Upgrades
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi Colin/All
> >
> > The main residential lantern of choice for any replacements on
> > residential streets in my area is the Residium in all sizes running CFL,
> > but the CFL Arc has been used sometimes. Main road lanterns differ
> > slightly, as casual replacements consist of the ZX3 (black and white)
> > and the Sapphire for a full on replacement (black colour used in special
> > circumstances) . Both the ZX3 + Sapphires run SON.
> >
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Oliver
> >
> > To: streetlightinguk@ <mailto:streetlight inguk%40yahoogro ups.com>
> > yahoogroups. com
> > From: sailormoon_01_ <mailto:sailormoon_ 01_uk%40yahoo. co.uk>
> > uk@
> > Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 10:55:59 +0000
> > Subject: [StreetlightingUK] Street Lighting Upgrades
> >
> > Hi Guys
> >
> > I maybe getting some Philips MI50's within the next week or so, as my
> > Local council has been replacing some more concrete Columns.
> >
> > Out of Interest all new Side Road Lighting where I live are the WRTL
> > Delta with 50 or 70w SON-T Lamps, and on Main Roads the WRTLVectra, is
> > the main choice. I am cureous on what new Street Ligting are used in
> > your area
> >
> > All the Best
> >
> > Colin
> >
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Hi Col

Surrey set to be all CFL for PFI in March 2010! Work on clearing the yard
started this week in preperation to accomodate the PFI contract so looks like
its all go now!

Cheers,

Pete.



________________________________
From: we1sbach <cpg.cowesiw@...>
To: StreetlightingUK@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, 11 November, 2009 20:49:40
Subject: [StreetlightingUK] Re: Street Lighting Upgrades


Oh - glad CFL is making inroads. Are the Sapphires the cut-off or the deep bowl
type - and what colour the canopie...?

Cheers, Chris G.

--- In StreetlightingUK@ yahoogroups. com, "colinfowler" <colinfowler062@ ...>
wrote:
>
> Hi Chaps
>
> The Sapphire one and two in grey finish are King around Crawley for new
> installations followed by 36 or 55w Residiums at the moment.
>
> Who knows what the PFI will bring us next year though.
>
> Cheers
>
> Colin F.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: StreetlightingUK@ yahoogroups. com
> [mailto:StreetlightingUK@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Aiden H
> Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2009 4:40 PM
> To: streetlightinguk@ yahoogroups. com
> Subject: RE: [StreetlightingUK] Street Lighting Upgrades
>
>
>
> Hi Colin/All
>
> The main residential lantern of choice for any replacements on
> residential streets in my area is the Residium in all sizes running CFL,
> but the CFL Arc has been used sometimes. Main road lanterns differ
> slightly, as casual replacements consist of the ZX3 (black and white)
> and the Sapphire for a full on replacement (black colour used in special
> circumstances) . Both the ZX3 + Sapphires run SON.
>
>
> Regards
>
> Oliver
>
> To: streetlightinguk@ <mailto:streetlight inguk%40yahoogro ups.com>
> yahoogroups. com
> From: sailormoon_01_ <mailto:sailormoon_ 01_uk%40yahoo. co.uk>
> uk@...
> Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 10:55:59 +0000
> Subject: [StreetlightingUK] Street Lighting Upgrades
>
> Hi Guys
>
> I maybe getting some Philips MI50's within the next week or so, as my
> Local council has been replacing some more concrete Columns.
>
> Out of Interest all new Side Road Lighting where I live are the WRTL
> Delta with 50 or 70w SON-T Lamps, and on Main Roads the WRTLVectra, is
> the main choice. I am cureous on what new Street Ligting are used in
> your area
>
> All the Best
>
> Colin
>
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>
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Thanks Colin - that's a pity, I don't think the deep bowl does anything for the
lantern's looks! I prefer cut-offs like yours. I think the deep blue or green
canopies are far preferable to the grey.

Cheers, Chris G.


--- In StreetlightingUK@yahoogroups.com, "colin fowler" <colinfowler062@...>
wrote:
>
> Hi Chris.
>
> The Sapphire 2's are mostly deep bowl on the A roads except near Gatwick
> Airport, residential road Sapphire 1's mostly cut off all grey finished
> canopies.
> I have got a Sapphire 1 cut off the same as used by W.S C.C  which has
> never seen active service in the great outdoors in my collection made in
> Aug 2006 and burns a 50w SON lamp
>
> Cheers
>
> Colin F.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: StreetlightingUK@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:StreetlightingUK@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of we1sbach
> Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 8:50 PM
> To: StreetlightingUK@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [StreetlightingUK] Re: Street Lighting Upgrades
>
>
> Oh - glad CFL is making inroads. Are the Sapphires the cut-off or the
> deep bowl type - and what colour the canopie...?
>
> Cheers, Chris G.
>
> --- In StreetlightingUK@ <mailto:StreetlightingUK%40yahoogroups.com>
> yahoogroups.com, "colin fowler" <colinfowler062@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Chaps
> >
> > The Sapphire one and two in grey finish are King around Crawley for
> new
> > installations followed by 36 or 55w Residiums at the moment.
> >
> > Who knows what the PFI will bring us next year though.
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > Colin F.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: StreetlightingUK@ <mailto:StreetlightingUK%40yahoogroups.com>
> yahoogroups.com
> > [mailto:StreetlightingUK@ <mailto:StreetlightingUK%40yahoogroups.com>
> yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Aiden H
> > Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2009 4:40 PM
> > To: streetlightinguk@ <mailto:streetlightinguk%40yahoogroups.com>
> yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: RE: [StreetlightingUK] Street Lighting Upgrades
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi Colin/All
> >
> > The main residential lantern of choice for any replacements on
> > residential streets in my area is the Residium in all sizes running
> CFL,
> > but the CFL Arc has been used sometimes. Main road lanterns differ
> > slightly, as casual replacements consist of the ZX3 (black and white)
> > and the Sapphire for a full on replacement (black colour used in
> special
> > circumstances). Both the ZX3 + Sapphires run SON.
> >
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Oliver
> >
> > To: streetlightinguk@ <mailto:streetlightinguk%40yahoogroups.com>
> > yahoogroups.com
> > From: sailormoon_01_ <mailto:sailormoon_01_uk%40yahoo.co.uk>
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> > Local council has been replacing some more concrete Columns.
> >
> > Out of Interest all new Side Road Lighting where I live are the WRTL
> > Delta with 50 or 70w SON-T Lamps, and on Main Roads the WRTL Vectra,
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Hi

Last week one of my kitchen lights went with a bang. It was a 20w halogen
reflector designed as a direct replacement for a 60w gls reflector spot light. I
suspect a short circuit in the lamp gear caused the explosion as the filament
looked fine while the gear compartment near the cap was turned black by smoke.


Adam




________________________________
From: John Mitchell <mitchelljohn11@...>
To: StreetlightingUK@yahoogroups.com
Cc: Lamps_and_Lighting@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, 11 November, 2009 11:21:30
Subject: [StreetlightingUK] Mercury Lamp Explosion

Hello All,



Last night I was running an old Osram 80w MBF lamp on a 125w ballast.

I should not have been running a 80w lamp on a 125w ballast but I should
know better.



The arc tube exploded violently when the lamp was running, the outer bulb
being shattered totally.



I was lucky not to get any hot glass in my eyes as I was standing in front
of the lamp when it went bang.

The glass fell onto the bench and floor.



I should learn from this as I don't know what exactly caused the arc tube to
shatter.

Maybe the excessive current from the 125w ballast and the age of the arc
tube were factors.



Has anyone else had a lamp explode when running?



Best regards,

John



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Hi Chris.

The Sapphire 2's are mostly deep bowl on the A roads except near Gatwick
Airport, residential road Sapphire 1's mostly cut off all grey finished
canopies.
I have got a Sapphire 1 cut off the same as used by W.S C.C  which has
never seen active service in the great outdoors in my collection made in
Aug 2006 and burns a 50w SON lamp

Cheers

Colin F.

-----Original Message-----
From: StreetlightingUK@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:StreetlightingUK@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of we1sbach
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 8:50 PM
To: StreetlightingUK@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [StreetlightingUK] Re: Street Lighting Upgrades


Oh - glad CFL is making inroads. Are the Sapphires the cut-off or the
deep bowl type - and what colour the canopie...?

Cheers, Chris G.

--- In StreetlightingUK@ <mailto:StreetlightingUK%40yahoogroups.com>
yahoogroups.com, "colin fowler" <colinfowler062@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Chaps
>
> The Sapphire one and two in grey finish are King around Crawley for
new
> installations followed by 36 or 55w Residiums at the moment.
>
> Who knows what the PFI will bring us next year though.
>
> Cheers
>
> Colin F.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: StreetlightingUK@ <mailto:StreetlightingUK%40yahoogroups.com>
yahoogroups.com
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> To: streetlightinguk@ <mailto:streetlightinguk%40yahoogroups.com>
yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [StreetlightingUK] Street Lighting Upgrades
>
>
>
> Hi Colin/All
>
> The main residential lantern of choice for any replacements on
> residential streets in my area is the Residium in all sizes running
CFL,
> but the CFL Arc has been used sometimes. Main road lanterns differ
> slightly, as casual replacements consist of the ZX3 (black and white)
> and the Sapphire for a full on replacement (black colour used in
special
> circumstances). Both the ZX3 + Sapphires run SON.
>
>
> Regards
>
> Oliver
>
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> From: sailormoon_01_ <mailto:sailormoon_01_uk%40yahoo.co.uk>
> uk@...
> Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 10:55:59 +0000
> Subject: [StreetlightingUK] Street Lighting Upgrades
>
> Hi Guys
>
> I maybe getting some Philips MI50's within the next week or so, as my
> Local council has been replacing some more concrete Columns.
>
> Out of Interest all new Side Road Lighting where I live are the WRTL
> Delta with 50 or 70w SON-T Lamps, and on Main Roads the WRTL Vectra,
is
> the main choice. I am cureous on what new Street Ligting are used in
> your area
>
> All the Best
>
> Colin
>
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Hi all,
Years ago the outside light on my workshop used an 80W MBF lamp.  It ran in
series with an old Thorn 60W fluorescent lamp ballast and was plenty bright
enough (can't remember what the current was though).

If I remember correctly the 80W mercury ballast is the same electrically as the
old 80W fluorescent ballast. The same probably goes for 125W?!?

John D

--- In StreetlightingUK@yahoogroups.com, "sailormoon_01" <sailormoon_01_uk@...>
wrote:
>
> Hi Colin/John/All
>
> if you run a 80w Mercury Lamp on a 125w Ballast it should not explode, as the
lamp is running at 1.15 amps instead of 0.8 amps, all what will happen is your
lamp would run up faster and the lamp life would decrease as you are burning the
emissive materials from the electrodes, but it still should  take a few years to
fail. I know Mercury Lamps don't fail violentlywith age alone, even this one see
Photo of a 1940's Osram-GEC 80w MB/D Mercury Lamp, unless you have a short in
the Ballast or No Ballast, if your ballast is a multi tap ballast you might have
connected the lamp cablet to say the 220v tap instead of the Lamp out tap.
>
> If your Ballast is connected right or a simple 2 wire type, and as you
mentioned the arctube exploded violently, it sounds like you have a faulty
ballast  (A Short circuit in the windings) to test this you need to measure the
resistance of the ballast,  the ballast resistance should ba about 70 to 90
ohms, If you get less you have a dead short  which explains why you lamp failed.
>
> if you connect your ballast to the mains use a 200w filament lamp instad of
the Mercury Lamp, them measure the Lamp current and Lamp Voltage you should read
115 volts by 1.15 amps
>
> Also thow my experience I have a American 40/50w Mercury Lamp see
http://www.freewebs.com/lamps019/US-Sylvania-40-50w-Mercury-Lamp.jpg if yo look
at the box it says use a H38 Ballast on the box I would not reccomend it as the
H38 Ballast is designed for a 100 watt Mercury Lamp and draws 120 volts 1.0
amps, almost twicw the current It ahould be better using a H45 40 watt or H46 50
watt Ballast as they draw 90 volts 0.53 amps for the H45 Ballast and 95 volts
0.6 amps for the 50 watt Ballast.
>
> Hope this helps
>
> All the Best
>
> Colin
>

Hi Colin/John/All

if you run a 80w Mercury Lamp on a 125w Ballast it should not explode, as the
lamp is running at 1.15 amps instead of 0.8 amps, all what will happen is your
lamp would run up faster and the lamp life would decrease as you are burning the
emissive materials from the electrodes, but it still should  take a few years to
fail. I know Mercury Lamps don't fail violentlywith age alone, even this one see
Photo of a 1940's Osram-GEC 80w MB/D Mercury Lamp, unless you have a short in
the Ballast or No Ballast, if your ballast is a multi tap ballast you might have
connected the lamp cablet to say the 220v tap instead of the Lamp out tap.

If your Ballast is connected right or a simple 2 wire type, and as you mentioned
the arctube exploded violently, it sounds like you have a faulty ballast  (A
Short circuit in the windings) to test this you need to measure the resistance
of the ballast,  the ballast resistance should ba about 70 to 90 ohms, If you
get less you have a dead short  which explains why you lamp failed.

if you connect your ballast to the mains use a 200w filament lamp instad of the
Mercury Lamp, them measure the Lamp current and Lamp Voltage you should read 115
volts by 1.15 amps

Also thow my experience I have a American 40/50w Mercury Lamp see
http://www.freewebs.com/lamps019/US-Sylvania-40-50w-Mercury-Lamp.jpg if yo look
at the box it says use a H38 Ballast on the box I would not reccomend it as the
H38 Ballast is designed for a 100 watt Mercury Lamp and draws 120 volts 1.0
amps, almost twicw the current It ahould be better using a H45 40 watt or H46 50
watt Ballast as they draw 90 volts 0.53 amps for the H45 Ballast and 95 volts
0.6 amps for the 50 watt Ballast.

Hope this helps

All the Best

Colin

Oh - glad CFL is making inroads. Are the Sapphires the cut-off or the deep bowl
type - and what colour the canopie...?

Cheers, Chris G.

--- In StreetlightingUK@yahoogroups.com, "colin fowler" <colinfowler062@...>
wrote:
>
> Hi Chaps
>
> The Sapphire one and two in grey finish are King around Crawley for new
> installations followed by 36 or 55w Residiums at the moment.
>
> Who knows what the PFI will bring us next year though.
>
> Cheers
>
> Colin F.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: StreetlightingUK@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:StreetlightingUK@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Aiden H
> Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2009 4:40 PM
> To: streetlightinguk@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [StreetlightingUK] Street Lighting Upgrades
>
>
>
> Hi Colin/All
>
> The main residential lantern of choice for any replacements on
> residential streets in my area is the Residium in all sizes running CFL,
> but the CFL Arc has been used sometimes. Main road lanterns differ
> slightly, as casual replacements consist of the ZX3 (black and white)
> and the Sapphire for a full on replacement (black colour used in special
> circumstances). Both the ZX3 + Sapphires run SON.
>
>
> Regards
>
> Oliver
>
> To: streetlightinguk@ <mailto:streetlightinguk%40yahoogroups.com>
> yahoogroups.com
> From: sailormoon_01_ <mailto:sailormoon_01_uk%40yahoo.co.uk>
> uk@...
> Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 10:55:59 +0000
> Subject: [StreetlightingUK] Street Lighting Upgrades
>
> Hi Guys
>
> I maybe getting some Philips MI50's within the next week or so, as my
> Local council has been replacing some more concrete Columns.
>
> Out of Interest all new Side Road Lighting where I live are the WRTL
> Delta with 50 or 70w SON-T Lamps, and on Main Roads the WRTL Vectra, is
> the main choice. I am cureous on what new Street Ligting are used in
> your area
>
> All the Best
>
> Colin
>
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That goes to show the importance of running High Pressure Discharge
lamps with correctly rated control gear.
Glad you wasn't hurt John.

Cheers

Colin F.

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From: StreetlightingUK@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:StreetlightingUK@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of John Mitchell
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 11:22 AM
To: StreetlightingUK@yahoogroups.com
Cc: Lamps_and_Lighting@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [StreetlightingUK] Mercury Lamp Explosion


Hello All,

Last night I was running an old Osram 80w MBF lamp on a 125w ballast.

I should not have been running a 80w lamp on a 125w ballast but I should
know better.

The arc tube exploded violently when the lamp was running, the outer
bulb
being shattered totally.

I was lucky not to get any hot glass in my eyes as I was standing in
front
of the lamp when it went bang.

The glass fell onto the bench and floor.

I should learn from this as I don't know what exactly caused the arc
tube to
shatter.

Maybe the excessive current from the 125w ballast and the age of the arc
tube were factors.

Has anyone else had a lamp explode when running?

Best regards,

John

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Hi Chaps

The Sapphire one and two in grey finish are King around Crawley for new
installations followed by 36 or 55w Residiums at the moment.

Who knows what the PFI will bring us next year though.

Cheers

Colin F.

-----Original Message-----
From: StreetlightingUK@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:StreetlightingUK@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Aiden H
Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2009 4:40 PM
To: streetlightinguk@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [StreetlightingUK] Street Lighting Upgrades



Hi Colin/All

The main residential lantern of choice for any replacements on
residential streets in my area is the Residium in all sizes running CFL,
but the CFL Arc has been used sometimes. Main road lanterns differ
slightly, as casual replacements consist of the ZX3 (black and white)
and the Sapphire for a full on replacement (black colour used in special
circumstances). Both the ZX3 + Sapphires run SON.


Regards

Oliver

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From: sailormoon_01_ <mailto:sailormoon_01_uk%40yahoo.co.uk>
uk@...
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 10:55:59 +0000
Subject: [StreetlightingUK] Street Lighting Upgrades

Hi Guys

I maybe getting some Philips MI50's within the next week or so, as my
Local council has been replacing some more concrete Columns.

Out of Interest all new Side Road Lighting where I live are the WRTL
Delta with 50 or 70w SON-T Lamps, and on Main Roads the WRTL Vectra, is
the main choice. I am cureous on what new Street Ligting are used in
your area

All the Best

Colin

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Hello All,



Last night I was running an old Osram 80w MBF lamp on a 125w ballast.

I should not have been running a 80w lamp on a 125w ballast but I should
know better.



The arc tube exploded violently when the lamp was running, the outer bulb
being shattered totally.



I was lucky not to get any hot glass in my eyes as I was standing in front
of the lamp when it went bang.

The glass fell onto the bench and floor.



I should learn from this as I don't know what exactly caused the arc tube to
shatter.

Maybe the excessive current from the 125w ballast and the age of the arc
tube were factors.



Has anyone else had a lamp explode when running?



Best regards,

John



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Hi that should read: - It was actually the first of this type of lantern I saw
in the mid 60's - I haven't invented a new technical term for lighting!
Cheers, Chris G.


--- In StreetlightingUK@yahoogroups.com, "we1sbach" <cpg.cowesiw@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Colin - yes, I too missed it until I suddenly realised it was still there.
.It was actually the fist of this lantern I saw in the mid 60's. As the road
leading to Newport Rail Station Holyrood Street had the same 25 foot cast iron
columns as the High Street and other main town centre streets. After the closure
of the station in 1966 the street was downgraded, and these top entry Class B
lanterns were installed on wall brackets. Apart from this one (and a relocated
octagonal GEC metal column in the adjacent spot) others in the street are now
Class B Phosco heritage post-tops.
>
> Did you have an impression of what the Steephill Cove lantern is?
>
> Cheers, Chris G.
>
> --- In StreetlightingUK@yahoogroups.com, "Colin Fowler" <colinfowler062@>
wrote:
> >
> > I've seen the Steephill Cove one Chris but missed the one in Newport.
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > ColinF.
> >
> >   ----- Original Message -----
> >   From: we1sbach
> >   To: StreetlightingUK@yahoogroups.com
> >   Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 8:32 PM
> >   Subject: [StreetlightingUK] Is this a Phosco I see before me...?
> >
> >
> >
> >   Can anyone help? I've posted two photos in my IW album of a lantern used
in Newport and Freshwater in the 60's, that I don't have a positive ID for. The
canopy seems too large for an Alpha 4 but too small for a REVO Prefect. Looking
at Simon's site there is a Phosco lantern that seems a possible, but the I'm not
sure about the bowl. I think it was a bit more pointed than in the wesbite
picture. (This is especially noticeable in the Newport photo, but I'm afraid it
is blurred). There are two examples still extant, one on a wall bracket in
Holyrood Street, Newport, and in service, though with a substitute bowl - the
other in a cafe forecourt at Steephill Cove - intact, though the bowl is no
longer in good shape.
> >   Cheers, Chris G.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>

Hi Colin - yes, I too missed it until I suddenly realised it was still there. It
was actually the fist of this lantern I saw in the mid 60's. As the road leading
to Newport Rail Station Holyrood Street had the same 25 foot cast iron columns
as the High Street and other main town centre streets. After the closure of the
station in 1966 the street was downgraded, and these top entry Class B lanterns
were installed on wall brackets. Apart from this one (and a relocated octagonal
GEC metal column in the adjacent spot) others in the street are now Class B
Phosco heritage post-tops.

Did you have an impression of what the Steephill Cove lantern is?

Cheers, Chris G.

--- In StreetlightingUK@yahoogroups.com, "Colin Fowler" <colinfowler062@...>
wrote:
>
> I've seen the Steephill Cove one Chris but missed the one in Newport.
>
> Cheers
>
> ColinF.
>
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: we1sbach
>   To: StreetlightingUK@yahoogroups.com
>   Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 8:32 PM
>   Subject: [StreetlightingUK] Is this a Phosco I see before me...?
>
>
>
>   Can anyone help? I've posted two photos in my IW album of a lantern used in
Newport and Freshwater in the 60's, that I don't have a positive ID for. The
canopy seems too large for an Alpha 4 but too small for a REVO Prefect. Looking
at Simon's site there is a Phosco lantern that seems a possible, but the I'm not
sure about the bowl. I think it was a bit more pointed than in the wesbite
picture. (This is especially noticeable in the Newport photo, but I'm afraid it
is blurred). There are two examples still extant, one on a wall bracket in
Holyrood Street, Newport, and in service, though with a substitute bowl - the
other in a cafe forecourt at Steephill Cove - intact, though the bowl is no
longer in good shape.
>   Cheers, Chris G.
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

I've seen the Steephill Cove one Chris but missed the one in Newport.

Cheers

ColinF.

   ----- Original Message -----
   From: we1sbach
   To: StreetlightingUK@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 8:32 PM
   Subject: [StreetlightingUK] Is this a Phosco I see before me...?



   Can anyone help? I've posted two photos in my IW album of a lantern used in
Newport and Freshwater in the 60's, that I don't have a positive ID for. The
canopy seems too large for an Alpha 4 but too small for a REVO Prefect. Looking
at Simon's site there is a Phosco lantern that seems a possible, but the I'm not
sure about the bowl. I think it was a bit more pointed than in the wesbite
picture. (This is especially noticeable in the Newport photo, but I'm afraid it
is blurred). There are two examples still extant, one on a wall bracket in
Holyrood Street, Newport, and in service, though with a substitute bowl - the
other in a cafe forecourt at Steephill Cove - intact, though the bowl is no
longer in good shape.
   Cheers, Chris G.





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Thanks Simon - I'll see what I can do, and come back to you on that one. Did the
Beta 4 canopy reduce in size in later versions...?
Cheers, Chris G.

--- In StreetlightingUK@yahoogroups.com, "Simon Cornwell" <simon@...> wrote:
>
> we1sbach wrote:
>
> > I've posted two photos in my IW album of a lantern used in Newport and
Freshwater in the 60's, that I don't have a
> > positive ID for. The canopy seems too large for an Alpha 4 but too small for
a REVO Prefect.
> > Looking at Simon's site there is a Phosco lantern that seems a possible, but
the I'm not sure about the
> > bowl.
> Would it be possible to photograph the remain examples still in-situ? The
older shots are too indistinct to make a positive identification.
>
> My immediate thought is the original Atlas Beta Four which looks like a cross
between a Thorn Beta Four and REVO Prefect on steroids.
>
> All the best,
> Simon
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>