Hi all, this is most interesting. I think I've seen some lamps like this used in
a shop, also in Cardiff indoor market iirc.

Does anyone know which London boroughs may be using these, as mentioned on their
site? (also although in Suffolk they use an 020 30 phone no - are these used in
East Anglia?)

These are stirring times in the introduction of white light. Do authorities
installing new systems under PFI have to stick with their specified light
source, or can they switch if one of the new sources becomes predominant?

Cheers, Chris G.



--- In StreetlightingUK@yahoogroups.com, "James" <james_carl60@...> wrote:
>
> Cheers, indeed i've never seen a Induction lighting myself however the Lantern
that is used run SON lamps not Induction Lamps, the other thing is i was the
Frist to have these Lanterns Install as i reported some lanterns back in
November they replaced a Urbis Linford & a GR 70 with out a Bowl the i frist saw
them installed, at first i didn't know why the Holophane QSM wasn't used so i
Emailed the Council in asking what they where the Cape i know who Dears with the
Streetlighting things at the Council he Said the lantrns were INDO lanterns i
right away looked at the site to see what the they were, i thought INDO was new
to Streetlighting but from how it looks they've been around for about 20 years!
Since November there have been more INDO lanterns of which i have been the one
who has actally had these  installed Because some like two Sky Global Lanterns
have little holes in them (Could be something to do with Kids using small Rocks
at them as i've come by more or it could be to do with old Age?)
> i only report them becase of if they may stop working if rain water gets in
side them so i do it for that reason or if its a Lantern with the Bowl missing
like theres a 1970s AEG stradasole lantern that'll been replaced on less they
Find a Bowl to use on it. The one without its Bowl is on Flickr the funny thing
is i only worked out its the Same lantern i reported last week so its Been
Missing its Bowl Since July as it says on the Page Seen here. its the 2nd one
anlong.
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/tug/5901527211/
>
>
> that INDO Lantern which is used is seen in the Products & Services at the
Street Lighting Luminaires it is the 1st or 2nd Lantern. the Photo Cell used
from what i've seen is Minicell and one is already Dayburning in my aren it
replaced a other 1988/89 Sky Global Lantern which didn't Light up well at night
looked like a 10w SON lamps than a 50w SON so it was replaced for that reason.
>
>
http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=MK77HN&hl=en&ll=52.016016,-0.701553&spn=0.000026\
,0.01354&hnear=MK7+7HN,+United+Kingdom&t=m&z=16&vpsrc=0&layer=c&cbll=52.016016,-\
0.701553&panoid=_uU_JTwVtifjVKaWCUrl1Q&cbp=12,265.42,,2,-5.17
>
> if you zoom out you'll see a Urbis Saturn these are used all Over MK in Houing
arens the one seen was replaced by a QSM.
>
> Regards
>
> James
>
>
> --- In StreetlightingUK@yahoogroups.com, sailormoon_01_uk <sailormoon_01_uk@>
wrote:
> >
> > For Indo Lighting see http://www.indolighting.com/index.html
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> >  From: sotonsteve <sotonsteve1987@>
> > To: StreetlightingUK@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Saturday, 31 December 2011, 21:21
> > Subject: [StreetlightingUK] Re: New to the group
> >
> >
> >
> >  
> >
> > Welcome to the group. I hadn't heard of INDO lighting before now, but I've
just looked at their website. Induction lighting is a clever concept.
Unfortunately it is capital cost that holds it back, but it would be brilliant
for places where maintenance is difficult or dangerous.
> >
> > --- In StreetlightingUK@yahoogroups.com, "James" <james_carl60@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi All,
> > >
> > > Thanks for adding me to the Group. I hope to be some help to the members
on here and also to find out more about Streetlighting.
> > >
> > > Does any one on here know of INDO street lighting lanterns? Milton Keynes
council have started using them for 5M lantern replacements the QSM is still in
use for replacements for 6M columns.
> > >
> > > Regards
> > >
> > > James.
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>

The PFI contractor can change their mind if they wish. Comes down to money at
the end of the day. In my local PFI they probably aren't using LED because it is
still too expensive and they didn't originally budget for it. If cost becomes
comparable then they may switch to installing LED.

--- In StreetlightingUK@yahoogroups.com, "we1sbach" <cpg.cowesiw@...> wrote:
>
> Hi all, this is most interesting. I think I've seen some lamps like this used
in a shop, also in Cardiff indoor market iirc.
>
> Does anyone know which London boroughs may be using these, as mentioned on
their site? (also although in Suffolk they use an 020 30 phone no - are these
used in East Anglia?)
>
> These are stirring times in the introduction of white light. Do authorities
installing new systems under PFI have to stick with their specified light
source, or can they switch if one of the new sources becomes predominant?
>
> Cheers, Chris G.
>
>
>
> --- In StreetlightingUK@yahoogroups.com, "James" <james_carl60@> wrote:
> >
> > Cheers, indeed i've never seen a Induction lighting myself however the
Lantern that is used run SON lamps not Induction Lamps, the other thing is i was
the Frist to have these Lanterns Install as i reported some lanterns back in
November they replaced a Urbis Linford & a GR 70 with out a Bowl the i frist saw
them installed, at first i didn't know why the Holophane QSM wasn't used so i
Emailed the Council in asking what they where the Cape i know who Dears with the
Streetlighting things at the Council he Said the lantrns were INDO lanterns i
right away looked at the site to see what the they were, i thought INDO was new
to Streetlighting but from how it looks they've been around for about 20 years!
Since November there have been more INDO lanterns of which i have been the one
who has actally had these  installed Because some like two Sky Global Lanterns
have little holes in them (Could be something to do with Kids using small Rocks
at them as i've come by more or it could be to do with old Age?)
> > i only report them becase of if they may stop working if rain water gets in
side them so i do it for that reason or if its a Lantern with the Bowl missing
like theres a 1970s AEG stradasole lantern that'll been replaced on less they
Find a Bowl to use on it. The one without its Bowl is on Flickr the funny thing
is i only worked out its the Same lantern i reported last week so its Been
Missing its Bowl Since July as it says on the Page Seen here. its the 2nd one
anlong.
> >
> > http://www.flickr.com/photos/tug/5901527211/
> >
> >
> > that INDO Lantern which is used is seen in the Products & Services at the
Street Lighting Luminaires it is the 1st or 2nd Lantern. the Photo Cell used
from what i've seen is Minicell and one is already Dayburning in my aren it
replaced a other 1988/89 Sky Global Lantern which didn't Light up well at night
looked like a 10w SON lamps than a 50w SON so it was replaced for that reason.
> >
> >
http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=MK77HN&hl=en&ll=52.016016,-0.701553&spn=0.000026\
,0.01354&hnear=MK7+7HN,+United+Kingdom&t=m&z=16&vpsrc=0&layer=c&cbll=52.016016,-\
0.701553&panoid=_uU_JTwVtifjVKaWCUrl1Q&cbp=12,265.42,,2,-5.17
> >
> > if you zoom out you'll see a Urbis Saturn these are used all Over MK in
Houing arens the one seen was replaced by a QSM.
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > James
> >
> >
> > --- In StreetlightingUK@yahoogroups.com, sailormoon_01_uk
<sailormoon_01_uk@> wrote:
> > >
> > > For Indo Lighting see http://www.indolighting.com/index.html
> > >
> > >
> > > ________________________________
> > >  From: sotonsteve <sotonsteve1987@>
> > > To: StreetlightingUK@yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Saturday, 31 December 2011, 21:21
> > > Subject: [StreetlightingUK] Re: New to the group
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >  
> > >
> > > Welcome to the group. I hadn't heard of INDO lighting before now, but I've
just looked at their website. Induction lighting is a clever concept.
Unfortunately it is capital cost that holds it back, but it would be brilliant
for places where maintenance is difficult or dangerous.
> > >
> > > --- In StreetlightingUK@yahoogroups.com, "James" <james_carl60@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi All,
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for adding me to the Group. I hope to be some help to the members
on here and also to find out more about Streetlighting.
> > > >
> > > > Does any one on here know of INDO street lighting lanterns? Milton
Keynes council have started using them for 5M lantern replacements the QSM is
still in use for replacements for 6M columns.
> > > >
> > > > Regards
> > > >
> > > > James.
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> >
>

Hi All

i remember seeing on WRTL Web site birmingham was Doing a PFI with WRTL LED
lanterns do you know if they are Still using them?

as for the Induction Lamps heres a Video on You Tube on How there made i came by
it Last night.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=awA_64uihg4

Regards

James.

--- In StreetlightingUK@yahoogroups.com, "sotonsteve" <sotonsteve1987@...>
wrote:
>
> The PFI contractor can change their mind if they wish. Comes down to money at
the end of the day. In my local PFI they probably aren't using LED because it is
still too expensive and they didn't originally budget for it. If cost becomes
comparable then they may switch to installing LED.
>
> --- In StreetlightingUK@yahoogroups.com, "we1sbach" <cpg.cowesiw@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi all, this is most interesting. I think I've seen some lamps like this
used in a shop, also in Cardiff indoor market iirc.
> >
> > Does anyone know which London boroughs may be using these, as mentioned on
their site? (also although in Suffolk they use an 020 30 phone no - are these
used in East Anglia?)
> >
> > These are stirring times in the introduction of white light. Do authorities
installing new systems under PFI have to stick with their specified light
source, or can they switch if one of the new sources becomes predominant?
> >
> > Cheers, Chris G.
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In StreetlightingUK@yahoogroups.com, "James" <james_carl60@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Cheers, indeed i've never seen a Induction lighting myself however the
Lantern that is used run SON lamps not Induction Lamps, the other thing is i was
the Frist to have these Lanterns Install as i reported some lanterns back in
November they replaced a Urbis Linford & a GR 70 with out a Bowl the i frist saw
them installed, at first i didn't know why the Holophane QSM wasn't used so i
Emailed the Council in asking what they where the Cape i know who Dears with the
Streetlighting things at the Council he Said the lantrns were INDO lanterns i
right away looked at the site to see what the they were, i thought INDO was new
to Streetlighting but from how it looks they've been around for about 20 years!
Since November there have been more INDO lanterns of which i have been the one
who has actally had these  installed Because some like two Sky Global Lanterns
have little holes in them (Could be something to do with Kids using small Rocks
at them as i've come by more or it could be to do with old Age?)
> > > i only report them becase of if they may stop working if rain water gets
in side them so i do it for that reason or if its a Lantern with the Bowl
missing like theres a 1970s AEG stradasole lantern that'll been replaced on less
they Find a Bowl to use on it. The one without its Bowl is on Flickr the funny
thing is i only worked out its the Same lantern i reported last week so its Been
Missing its Bowl Since July as it says on the Page Seen here. its the 2nd one
anlong.
> > >
> > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/tug/5901527211/
> > >
> > >
> > > that INDO Lantern which is used is seen in the Products & Services at the
Street Lighting Luminaires it is the 1st or 2nd Lantern. the Photo Cell used
from what i've seen is Minicell and one is already Dayburning in my aren it
replaced a other 1988/89 Sky Global Lantern which didn't Light up well at night
looked like a 10w SON lamps than a 50w SON so it was replaced for that reason.
> > >
> > >
http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=MK77HN&hl=en&ll=52.016016,-0.701553&spn=0.000026\
,0.01354&hnear=MK7+7HN,+United+Kingdom&t=m&z=16&vpsrc=0&layer=c&cbll=52.016016,-\
0.701553&panoid=_uU_JTwVtifjVKaWCUrl1Q&cbp=12,265.42,,2,-5.17
> > >
> > > if you zoom out you'll see a Urbis Saturn these are used all Over MK in
Houing arens the one seen was replaced by a QSM.
> > >
> > > Regards
> > >
> > > James
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In StreetlightingUK@yahoogroups.com, sailormoon_01_uk
<sailormoon_01_uk@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > For Indo Lighting see http://www.indolighting.com/index.html
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ________________________________
> > > >  From: sotonsteve <sotonsteve1987@>
> > > > To: StreetlightingUK@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Sent: Saturday, 31 December 2011, 21:21
> > > > Subject: [StreetlightingUK] Re: New to the group
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >  
> > > >
> > > > Welcome to the group. I hadn't heard of INDO lighting before now, but
I've just looked at their website. Induction lighting is a clever concept.
Unfortunately it is capital cost that holds it back, but it would be brilliant
for places where maintenance is difficult or dangerous.
> > > >
> > > > --- In StreetlightingUK@yahoogroups.com, "James" <james_carl60@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi All,
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks for adding me to the Group. I hope to be some help to the
members on here and also to find out more about Streetlighting.
> > > > >
> > > > > Does any one on here know of INDO street lighting lanterns? Milton
Keynes council have started using them for 5M lantern replacements the QSM is
still in use for replacements for 6M columns.
> > > > >
> > > > > Regards
> > > > >
> > > > > James.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

Hi all - just found this site by accident, full of old street-lighting:

http://inacityliving.piczo.com/?g=44843738&cr=7

Catenary lighting very much to the fore, along with some amazing curved brackets
on traction poles. The concrete CU columns on later pictures look amazingly
up-to-date by comparison. And some class B lighting involving harp brackets very
reminiscent of Revo Birminghams... Cheers, Chris G.

Birmingham are using WRTL Stelas for side road applications, and WRTL Airtraces
and Arcs for main road applications. Strangely, a lot of the Arc installations I
have seen have been on double-headed columns, and it's not just one or two
double headed columns, they light entire streets with double headed columns.
Twin 90W Cosmo or something perhaps?

--- In StreetlightingUK@yahoogroups.com, "James" <james_carl60@...> wrote:
>
> Hi All
>
> i remember seeing on WRTL Web site birmingham was Doing a PFI with WRTL LED
lanterns do you know if they are Still using them?
>
> as for the Induction Lamps heres a Video on You Tube on How there made i came
by it Last night.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=awA_64uihg4
>
> Regards
>
> James.
>
> --- In StreetlightingUK@yahoogroups.com, "sotonsteve" <sotonsteve1987@> wrote:
> >
> > The PFI contractor can change their mind if they wish. Comes down to money
at the end of the day. In my local PFI they probably aren't using LED because it
is still too expensive and they didn't originally budget for it. If cost becomes
comparable then they may switch to installing LED.
> >
> > --- In StreetlightingUK@yahoogroups.com, "we1sbach" <cpg.cowesiw@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi all, this is most interesting. I think I've seen some lamps like this
used in a shop, also in Cardiff indoor market iirc.
> > >
> > > Does anyone know which London boroughs may be using these, as mentioned on
their site? (also although in Suffolk they use an 020 30 phone no - are these
used in East Anglia?)
> > >
> > > These are stirring times in the introduction of white light. Do
authorities installing new systems under PFI have to stick with their specified
light source, or can they switch if one of the new sources becomes predominant?
> > >
> > > Cheers, Chris G.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In StreetlightingUK@yahoogroups.com, "James" <james_carl60@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Cheers, indeed i've never seen a Induction lighting myself however the
Lantern that is used run SON lamps not Induction Lamps, the other thing is i was
the Frist to have these Lanterns Install as i reported some lanterns back in
November they replaced a Urbis Linford & a GR 70 with out a Bowl the i frist saw
them installed, at first i didn't know why the Holophane QSM wasn't used so i
Emailed the Council in asking what they where the Cape i know who Dears with the
Streetlighting things at the Council he Said the lantrns were INDO lanterns i
right away looked at the site to see what the they were, i thought INDO was new
to Streetlighting but from how it looks they've been around for about 20 years!
Since November there have been more INDO lanterns of which i have been the one
who has actally had these  installed Because some like two Sky Global Lanterns
have little holes in them (Could be something to do with Kids using small Rocks
at them as i've come by more or it could be to do with old Age?)
> > > > i only report them becase of if they may stop working if rain water gets
in side them so i do it for that reason or if its a Lantern with the Bowl
missing like theres a 1970s AEG stradasole lantern that'll been replaced on less
they Find a Bowl to use on it. The one without its Bowl is on Flickr the funny
thing is i only worked out its the Same lantern i reported last week so its Been
Missing its Bowl Since July as it says on the Page Seen here. its the 2nd one
anlong.
> > > >
> > > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/tug/5901527211/
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > that INDO Lantern which is used is seen in the Products & Services at
the Street Lighting Luminaires it is the 1st or 2nd Lantern. the Photo Cell used
from what i've seen is Minicell and one is already Dayburning in my aren it
replaced a other 1988/89 Sky Global Lantern which didn't Light up well at night
looked like a 10w SON lamps than a 50w SON so it was replaced for that reason.
> > > >
> > > >
http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=MK77HN&hl=en&ll=52.016016,-0.701553&spn=0.000026\
,0.01354&hnear=MK7+7HN,+United+Kingdom&t=m&z=16&vpsrc=0&layer=c&cbll=52.016016,-\
0.701553&panoid=_uU_JTwVtifjVKaWCUrl1Q&cbp=12,265.42,,2,-5.17
> > > >
> > > > if you zoom out you'll see a Urbis Saturn these are used all Over MK in
Houing arens the one seen was replaced by a QSM.
> > > >
> > > > Regards
> > > >
> > > > James
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In StreetlightingUK@yahoogroups.com, sailormoon_01_uk
<sailormoon_01_uk@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > For Indo Lighting see http://www.indolighting.com/index.html
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ________________________________
> > > > >  From: sotonsteve <sotonsteve1987@>
> > > > > To: StreetlightingUK@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > Sent: Saturday, 31 December 2011, 21:21
> > > > > Subject: [StreetlightingUK] Re: New to the group
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >  
> > > > >
> > > > > Welcome to the group. I hadn't heard of INDO lighting before now, but
I've just looked at their website. Induction lighting is a clever concept.
Unfortunately it is capital cost that holds it back, but it would be brilliant
for places where maintenance is difficult or dangerous.
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In StreetlightingUK@yahoogroups.com, "James" <james_carl60@>
wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hi All,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks for adding me to the Group. I hope to be some help to the
members on here and also to find out more about Streetlighting.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Does any one on here know of INDO street lighting lanterns? Milton
Keynes council have started using them for 5M lantern replacements the QSM is
still in use for replacements for 6M columns.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Regards
> > > > > >
> > > > > > James.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

I wonder if the WRTL Luma has put in an appearance? A couple of experimental
ones have appeared on the IW. The catalogue shows three panels, but the one at
8m has two panels, and the class B version has one. Very different approach to
the Stela - relectors and a real cut-off design. Difficult to see how many cells
are involved, they seem hidden or very close together, unlike other LED styles I
have seen...
Cheers, Chris G.

--- In StreetlightingUK@yahoogroups.com, "sotonsteve" <sotonsteve1987@...>
wrote:
>
> Birmingham are using WRTL Stelas for side road applications, and WRTL
Airtraces and Arcs for main road applications. Strangely, a lot of the Arc
installations I have seen have been on double-headed columns, and it's not just
one or two double headed columns, they light entire streets with double headed
columns. Twin 90W Cosmo or something perhaps?
>
> --- In StreetlightingUK@yahoogroups.com, "James" <james_carl60@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi All
> >
> > i remember seeing on WRTL Web site birmingham was Doing a PFI with WRTL LED
lanterns do you know if they are Still using them?
> >
> > as for the Induction Lamps heres a Video on You Tube on How there made i
came by it Last night.
> >
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=awA_64uihg4
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > James.
> >
> > --- In StreetlightingUK@yahoogroups.com, "sotonsteve" <sotonsteve1987@>
wrote:
> > >
> > > The PFI contractor can change their mind if they wish. Comes down to money
at the end of the day. In my local PFI they probably aren't using LED because it
is still too expensive and they didn't originally budget for it. If cost becomes
comparable then they may switch to installing LED.
> > >
> > > --- In StreetlightingUK@yahoogroups.com, "we1sbach" <cpg.cowesiw@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi all, this is most interesting. I think I've seen some lamps like this
used in a shop, also in Cardiff indoor market iirc.
> > > >
> > > > Does anyone know which London boroughs may be using these, as mentioned
on their site? (also although in Suffolk they use an 020 30 phone no - are these
used in East Anglia?)
> > > >
> > > > These are stirring times in the introduction of white light. Do
authorities installing new systems under PFI have to stick with their specified
light source, or can they switch if one of the new sources becomes predominant?
> > > >
> > > > Cheers, Chris G.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In StreetlightingUK@yahoogroups.com, "James" <james_carl60@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Cheers, indeed i've never seen a Induction lighting myself however the
Lantern that is used run SON lamps not Induction Lamps, the other thing is i was
the Frist to have these Lanterns Install as i reported some lanterns back in
November they replaced a Urbis Linford & a GR 70 with out a Bowl the i frist saw
them installed, at first i didn't know why the Holophane QSM wasn't used so i
Emailed the Council in asking what they where the Cape i know who Dears with the
Streetlighting things at the Council he Said the lantrns were INDO lanterns i
right away looked at the site to see what the they were, i thought INDO was new
to Streetlighting but from how it looks they've been around for about 20 years!
Since November there have been more INDO lanterns of which i have been the one
who has actally had these  installed Because some like two Sky Global Lanterns
have little holes in them (Could be something to do with Kids using small Rocks
at them as i've come by more or it could be to do with old Age?)
> > > > > i only report them becase of if they may stop working if rain water
gets in side them so i do it for that reason or if its a Lantern with the Bowl
missing like theres a 1970s AEG stradasole lantern that'll been replaced on less
they Find a Bowl to use on it. The one without its Bowl is on Flickr the funny
thing is i only worked out its the Same lantern i reported last week so its Been
Missing its Bowl Since July as it says on the Page Seen here. its the 2nd one
anlong.
> > > > >
> > > > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/tug/5901527211/
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > that INDO Lantern which is used is seen in the Products & Services at
the Street Lighting Luminaires it is the 1st or 2nd Lantern. the Photo Cell used
from what i've seen is Minicell and one is already Dayburning in my aren it
replaced a other 1988/89 Sky Global Lantern which didn't Light up well at night
looked like a 10w SON lamps than a 50w SON so it was replaced for that reason.
> > > > >
> > > > >
http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=MK77HN&hl=en&ll=52.016016,-0.701553&spn=0.000026\
,0.01354&hnear=MK7+7HN,+United+Kingdom&t=m&z=16&vpsrc=0&layer=c&cbll=52.016016,-\
0.701553&panoid=_uU_JTwVtifjVKaWCUrl1Q&cbp=12,265.42,,2,-5.17
> > > > >
> > > > > if you zoom out you'll see a Urbis Saturn these are used all Over MK
in Houing arens the one seen was replaced by a QSM.
> > > > >
> > > > > Regards
> > > > >
> > > > > James
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In StreetlightingUK@yahoogroups.com, sailormoon_01_uk
<sailormoon_01_uk@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > For Indo Lighting see http://www.indolighting.com/index.html
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ________________________________
> > > > > >  From: sotonsteve <sotonsteve1987@>
> > > > > > To: StreetlightingUK@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > > Sent: Saturday, 31 December 2011, 21:21
> > > > > > Subject: [StreetlightingUK] Re: New to the group
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >  
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Welcome to the group. I hadn't heard of INDO lighting before now,
but I've just looked at their website. Induction lighting is a clever concept.
Unfortunately it is capital cost that holds it back, but it would be brilliant
for places where maintenance is difficult or dangerous.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In StreetlightingUK@yahoogroups.com, "James" <james_carl60@>
wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hi All,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Thanks for adding me to the Group. I hope to be some help to the
members on here and also to find out more about Streetlighting.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Does any one on here know of INDO street lighting lanterns? Milton
Keynes council have started using them for 5M lantern replacements the QSM is
still in use for replacements for 6M columns.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Regards
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > James.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

Last time we were in birmingham they were replaceing some columns with dark
green QSM's on 10m columns.

I have never seen WRLT LEDs lanterns in use but I have seen led in use the other
day the open university in MK have replaced some Thorn Europa/Urbis Sautrns with
these LED ones. I  saw them in use at night so not sure on what they are so just
have to see if they are all going to be these's LED lanterns.

Regards

James

--- In StreetlightingUK@yahoogroups.com, "we1sbach" <cpg.cowesiw@...> wrote:
>
> I wonder if the WRTL Luma has put in an appearance? A couple of experimental
ones have appeared on the IW. The catalogue shows three panels, but the one at
8m has two panels, and the class B version has one. Very different approach to
the Stela - relectors and a real cut-off design. Difficult to see how many cells
are involved, they seem hidden or very close together, unlike other LED styles I
have seen...
> Cheers, Chris G.
>
> --- In StreetlightingUK@yahoogroups.com, "sotonsteve" <sotonsteve1987@> wrote:
> >
> > Birmingham are using WRTL Stelas for side road applications, and WRTL
Airtraces and Arcs for main road applications. Strangely, a lot of the Arc
installations I have seen have been on double-headed columns, and it's not just
one or two double headed columns, they light entire streets with double headed
columns. Twin 90W Cosmo or something perhaps?
> >
> > --- In StreetlightingUK@yahoogroups.com, "James" <james_carl60@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi All
> > >
> > > i remember seeing on WRTL Web site birmingham was Doing a PFI with WRTL
LED lanterns do you know if they are Still using them?
> > >
> > > as for the Induction Lamps heres a Video on You Tube on How there made i
came by it Last night.
> > >
> > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=awA_64uihg4
> > >
> > > Regards
> > >
> > > James.
> > >
> > > --- In StreetlightingUK@yahoogroups.com, "sotonsteve" <sotonsteve1987@>
wrote:
> > > >
> > > > The PFI contractor can change their mind if they wish. Comes down to
money at the end of the day. In my local PFI they probably aren't using LED
because it is still too expensive and they didn't originally budget for it. If
cost becomes comparable then they may switch to installing LED.
> > > >
> > > > --- In StreetlightingUK@yahoogroups.com, "we1sbach" <cpg.cowesiw@>
wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi all, this is most interesting. I think I've seen some lamps like
this used in a shop, also in Cardiff indoor market iirc.
> > > > >
> > > > > Does anyone know which London boroughs may be using these, as
mentioned on their site? (also although in Suffolk they use an 020 30 phone no -
are these used in East Anglia?)
> > > > >
> > > > > These are stirring times in the introduction of white light. Do
authorities installing new systems under PFI have to stick with their specified
light source, or can they switch if one of the new sources becomes predominant?
> > > > >
> > > > > Cheers, Chris G.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In StreetlightingUK@yahoogroups.com, "James" <james_carl60@>
wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Cheers, indeed i've never seen a Induction lighting myself however
the Lantern that is used run SON lamps not Induction Lamps, the other thing is i
was the Frist to have these Lanterns Install as i reported some lanterns back in
November they replaced a Urbis Linford & a GR 70 with out a Bowl the i frist saw
them installed, at first i didn't know why the Holophane QSM wasn't used so i
Emailed the Council in asking what they where the Cape i know who Dears with the
Streetlighting things at the Council he Said the lantrns were INDO lanterns i
right away looked at the site to see what the they were, i thought INDO was new
to Streetlighting but from how it looks they've been around for about 20 years!
Since November there have been more INDO lanterns of which i have been the one
who has actally had these  installed Because some like two Sky Global Lanterns
have little holes in them (Could be something to do with Kids using small Rocks
at them as i've come by more or it could be to do with old Age?)
> > > > > > i only report them becase of if they may stop working if rain water
gets in side them so i do it for that reason or if its a Lantern with the Bowl
missing like theres a 1970s AEG stradasole lantern that'll been replaced on less
they Find a Bowl to use on it. The one without its Bowl is on Flickr the funny
thing is i only worked out its the Same lantern i reported last week so its Been
Missing its Bowl Since July as it says on the Page Seen here. its the 2nd one
anlong.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/tug/5901527211/
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > that INDO Lantern which is used is seen in the Products & Services
at the Street Lighting Luminaires it is the 1st or 2nd Lantern. the Photo Cell
used from what i've seen is Minicell and one is already Dayburning in my aren it
replaced a other 1988/89 Sky Global Lantern which didn't Light up well at night
looked like a 10w SON lamps than a 50w SON so it was replaced for that reason.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=MK77HN&hl=en&ll=52.016016,-0.701553&spn=0.000026\
,0.01354&hnear=MK7+7HN,+United+Kingdom&t=m&z=16&vpsrc=0&layer=c&cbll=52.016016,-\
0.701553&panoid=_uU_JTwVtifjVKaWCUrl1Q&cbp=12,265.42,,2,-5.17
> > > > > >
> > > > > > if you zoom out you'll see a Urbis Saturn these are used all Over MK
in Houing arens the one seen was replaced by a QSM.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Regards
> > > > > >
> > > > > > James
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In StreetlightingUK@yahoogroups.com, sailormoon_01_uk
<sailormoon_01_uk@> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > For Indo Lighting see http://www.indolighting.com/index.html
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ________________________________
> > > > > > >  From: sotonsteve <sotonsteve1987@>
> > > > > > > To: StreetlightingUK@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, 31 December 2011, 21:21
> > > > > > > Subject: [StreetlightingUK] Re: New to the group
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Welcome to the group. I hadn't heard of INDO lighting before now,
but I've just looked at their website. Induction lighting is a clever concept.
Unfortunately it is capital cost that holds it back, but it would be brilliant
for places where maintenance is difficult or dangerous.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In StreetlightingUK@yahoogroups.com, "James" <james_carl60@>
wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Hi All,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Thanks for adding me to the Group. I hope to be some help to the
members on here and also to find out more about Streetlighting.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Does any one on here know of INDO street lighting lanterns?
Milton Keynes council have started using them for 5M lantern replacements the
QSM is still in use for replacements for 6M columns.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Regards
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > James.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

Interesting. When firefox decided not to be confused by the large number of
images on the page, I was able to see a few interesting pics. One of them had a
GEC Z5644 in the foreground... but another one looks to have something similar
to the Metropolitan vickers Flying Saucer lanterns that still exist in
Southport. I was going to link in the image... but the page has the traditional
"no right clicks allowed", and my adblock plus going through and disabling every
javascript file trick didn't work, and I'm in no mood to go copying the entire
html of the page just to trawl through it for a few image links - not when I've
been online for 2 hours and firefox has already crashed 5 times, won't copy
text, and won't even scroll down that damn page!
Also, I notice a lot of Mk1 and Mk2 Phosco Highfield Manor lanterns too.

regsm Chris.


--- In StreetlightingUK@yahoogroups.com, "we1sbach" <cpg.cowesiw@...> wrote:
>
> Hi all - just found this site by accident, full of old street-lighting:
>
> http://inacityliving.piczo.com/?g=44843738&cr=7
>
> Catenary lighting very much to the fore, along with some amazing curved
brackets on traction poles. The concrete CU columns on later pictures look
amazingly up-to-date by comparison. And some class B lighting involving harp
brackets very reminiscent of Revo Birminghams... Cheers, Chris G.
>

Dark green columns and Holophane lanterns sounds like Solihull to me.

--- In StreetlightingUK@yahoogroups.com, "James" <james_carl60@...> wrote:
>
> Last time we were in birmingham they were replaceing some columns with dark
green QSM's on 10m columns.
>
> I have never seen WRLT LEDs lanterns in use but I have seen led in use the
other day the open university in MK have replaced some Thorn Europa/Urbis
Sautrns with these LED ones. I  saw them in use at night so not sure on what
they are so just have to see if they are all going to be these's LED lanterns.
>
> Regards
>
> James
>
> --- In StreetlightingUK@yahoogroups.com, "we1sbach" <cpg.cowesiw@> wrote:
> >
> > I wonder if the WRTL Luma has put in an appearance? A couple of experimental
ones have appeared on the IW. The catalogue shows three panels, but the one at
8m has two panels, and the class B version has one. Very different approach to
the Stela - relectors and a real cut-off design. Difficult to see how many cells
are involved, they seem hidden or very close together, unlike other LED styles I
have seen...
> > Cheers, Chris G.
> >
> > --- In StreetlightingUK@yahoogroups.com, "sotonsteve" <sotonsteve1987@>
wrote:
> > >
> > > Birmingham are using WRTL Stelas for side road applications, and WRTL
Airtraces and Arcs for main road applications. Strangely, a lot of the Arc
installations I have seen have been on double-headed columns, and it's not just
one or two double headed columns, they light entire streets with double headed
columns. Twin 90W Cosmo or something perhaps?
> > >
> > > --- In StreetlightingUK@yahoogroups.com, "James" <james_carl60@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi All
> > > >
> > > > i remember seeing on WRTL Web site birmingham was Doing a PFI with WRTL
LED lanterns do you know if they are Still using them?
> > > >
> > > > as for the Induction Lamps heres a Video on You Tube on How there made i
came by it Last night.
> > > >
> > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=awA_64uihg4
> > > >
> > > > Regards
> > > >
> > > > James.
> > > >
> > > > --- In StreetlightingUK@yahoogroups.com, "sotonsteve" <sotonsteve1987@>
wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > The PFI contractor can change their mind if they wish. Comes down to
money at the end of the day. In my local PFI they probably aren't using LED
because it is still too expensive and they didn't originally budget for it. If
cost becomes comparable then they may switch to installing LED.
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In StreetlightingUK@yahoogroups.com, "we1sbach" <cpg.cowesiw@>
wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hi all, this is most interesting. I think I've seen some lamps like
this used in a shop, also in Cardiff indoor market iirc.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Does anyone know which London boroughs may be using these, as
mentioned on their site? (also although in Suffolk they use an 020 30 phone no -
are these used in East Anglia?)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > These are stirring times in the introduction of white light. Do
authorities installing new systems under PFI have to stick with their specified
light source, or can they switch if one of the new sources becomes predominant?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Cheers, Chris G.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In StreetlightingUK@yahoogroups.com, "James" <james_carl60@>
wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Cheers, indeed i've never seen a Induction lighting myself however
the Lantern that is used run SON lamps not Induction Lamps, the other thing is i
was the Frist to have these Lanterns Install as i reported some lanterns back in
November they replaced a Urbis Linford & a GR 70 with out a Bowl the i frist saw
them installed, at first i didn't know why the Holophane QSM wasn't used so i
Emailed the Council in asking what they where the Cape i know who Dears with the
Streetlighting things at the Council he Said the lantrns were INDO lanterns i
right away looked at the site to see what the they were, i thought INDO was new
to Streetlighting but from how it looks they've been around for about 20 years!
Since November there have been more INDO lanterns of which i have been the one
who has actally had these  installed Because some like two Sky Global Lanterns
have little holes in them (Could be something to do with Kids using small Rocks
at them as i've come by more or it could be to do with old Age?)
> > > > > > > i only report them becase of if they may stop working if rain
water gets in side them so i do it for that reason or if its a Lantern with the
Bowl missing like theres a 1970s AEG stradasole lantern that'll been replaced on
less they Find a Bowl to use on it. The one without its Bowl is on Flickr the
funny thing is i only worked out its the Same lantern i reported last week so
its Been Missing its Bowl Since July as it says on the Page Seen here. its the
2nd one anlong.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/tug/5901527211/
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > that INDO Lantern which is used is seen in the Products & Services
at the Street Lighting Luminaires it is the 1st or 2nd Lantern. the Photo Cell
used from what i've seen is Minicell and one is already Dayburning in my aren it
replaced a other 1988/89 Sky Global Lantern which didn't Light up well at night
looked like a 10w SON lamps than a 50w SON so it was replaced for that reason.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=MK77HN&hl=en&ll=52.016016,-0.701553&spn=0.000026\
,0.01354&hnear=MK7+7HN,+United+Kingdom&t=m&z=16&vpsrc=0&layer=c&cbll=52.016016,-\
0.701553&panoid=_uU_JTwVtifjVKaWCUrl1Q&cbp=12,265.42,,2,-5.17
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > if you zoom out you'll see a Urbis Saturn these are used all Over
MK in Houing arens the one seen was replaced by a QSM.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Regards
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > James
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In StreetlightingUK@yahoogroups.com, sailormoon_01_uk
<sailormoon_01_uk@> wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > For Indo Lighting see http://www.indolighting.com/index.html
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > ________________________________
> > > > > > > >  From: sotonsteve <sotonsteve1987@>
> > > > > > > > To: StreetlightingUK@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, 31 December 2011, 21:21
> > > > > > > > Subject: [StreetlightingUK] Re: New to the group
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Welcome to the group. I hadn't heard of INDO lighting before
now, but I've just looked at their website. Induction lighting is a clever
concept. Unfortunately it is capital cost that holds it back, but it would be
brilliant for places where maintenance is difficult or dangerous.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --- In StreetlightingUK@yahoogroups.com, "James" <james_carl60@>
wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Hi All,
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Thanks for adding me to the Group. I hope to be some help to
the members on here and also to find out more about Streetlighting.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Does any one on here know of INDO street lighting lanterns?
Milton Keynes council have started using them for 5M lantern replacements the
QSM is still in use for replacements for 6M columns.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Regards
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > James.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

Hi - glad you could see at least a few. Amongst them is one shot taken by the
corporation to show the effects of new lighting - SOX lighting on
large-braketted arced CU columns, partially lit. Lots of gas lighting too - many
with children using the posts as play equipment. I wondered what those post-top
ones were - where in Southport are they, don't remember seeing them on the sea
front? Cheers, Chris G.

--- In StreetlightingUK@yahoogroups.com, "nelboy001" <nel_boy001@...> wrote:
>
> Interesting. When firefox decided not to be confused by the large number of
images on the page, I was able to see a few interesting pics. One of them had a
GEC Z5644 in the foreground... but another one looks to have something similar
to the Metropolitan vickers Flying Saucer lanterns that still exist in
Southport. I was going to link in the image... but the page has the traditional
"no right clicks allowed", and my adblock plus going through and disabling every
javascript file trick didn't work, and I'm in no mood to go copying the entire
html of the page just to trawl through it for a few image links - not when I've
been online for 2 hours and firefox has already crashed 5 times, won't copy
text, and won't even scroll down that damn page!
> Also, I notice a lot of Mk1 and Mk2 Phosco Highfield Manor lanterns too.
>
> regsm Chris.
>
>
> --- In StreetlightingUK@yahoogroups.com, "we1sbach" <cpg.cowesiw@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi all - just found this site by accident, full of old street-lighting:
> >
> > http://inacityliving.piczo.com/?g=44843738&cr=7
> >
> > Catenary lighting very much to the fore, along with some amazing curved
brackets on traction poles. The concrete CU columns on later pictures look
amazingly up-to-date by comparison. And some class B lighting involving harp
brackets very reminiscent of Revo Birminghams... Cheers, Chris G.
> >
>

Wow - had no idea Holophane were still in action - have they had a recent
resurgence? Nice range of lanterns on their site - the "Factor" LED lantern is
probably the best aesthetically I've seen so far - I believe some at the rear of
the Welsh Assembly building in Cardiff Bay may be of this design. Cheers, Chris
G.

--- In StreetlightingUK@yahoogroups.com, "sotonsteve" <sotonsteve1987@...>
wrote:
>
> Dark green columns and Holophane lanterns sounds like Solihull to me.
>
> --- In StreetlightingUK@yahoogroups.com, "James" <james_carl60@> wrote:
> >
> > Last time we were in birmingham they were replaceing some columns with dark
green QSM's on 10m columns.
> >
> > I have never seen WRLT LEDs lanterns in use but I have seen led in use the
other day the open university in MK have replaced some Thorn Europa/Urbis
Sautrns with these LED ones. I  saw them in use at night so not sure on what
they are so just have to see if they are all going to be these's LED lanterns.
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > James
> >
> > --- In StreetlightingUK@yahoogroups.com, "we1sbach" <cpg.cowesiw@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I wonder if the WRTL Luma has put in an appearance? A couple of
experimental ones have appeared on the IW. The catalogue shows three panels, but
the one at 8m has two panels, and the class B version has one. Very different
approach to the Stela - relectors and a real cut-off design. Difficult to see
how many cells are involved, they seem hidden or very close together, unlike
other LED styles I have seen...
> > > Cheers, Chris G.
> > >
> > > --- In StreetlightingUK@yahoogroups.com, "sotonsteve" <sotonsteve1987@>
wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Birmingham are using WRTL Stelas for side road applications, and WRTL
Airtraces and Arcs for main road applications. Strangely, a lot of the Arc
installations I have seen have been on double-headed columns, and it's not just
one or two double headed columns, they light entire streets with double headed
columns. Twin 90W Cosmo or something perhaps?
> > > >
> > > > --- In StreetlightingUK@yahoogroups.com, "James" <james_carl60@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi All
> > > > >
> > > > > i remember seeing on WRTL Web site birmingham was Doing a PFI with
WRTL LED lanterns do you know if they are Still using them?
> > > > >
> > > > > as for the Induction Lamps heres a Video on You Tube on How there made
i came by it Last night.
> > > > >
> > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=awA_64uihg4
> > > > >
> > > > > Regards
> > > > >
> > > > > James.
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In StreetlightingUK@yahoogroups.com, "sotonsteve"
<sotonsteve1987@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The PFI contractor can change their mind if they wish. Comes down to
money at the end of the day. In my local PFI they probably aren't using LED
because it is still too expensive and they didn't originally budget for it. If
cost becomes comparable then they may switch to installing LED.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In StreetlightingUK@yahoogroups.com, "we1sbach" <cpg.cowesiw@>
wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hi all, this is most interesting. I think I've seen some lamps
like this used in a shop, also in Cardiff indoor market iirc.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Does anyone know which London boroughs may be using these, as
mentioned on their site? (also although in Suffolk they use an 020 30 phone no -
are these used in East Anglia?)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > These are stirring times in the introduction of white light. Do
authorities installing new systems under PFI have to stick with their specified
light source, or can they switch if one of the new sources becomes predominant?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Cheers, Chris G.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In StreetlightingUK@yahoogroups.com, "James" <james_carl60@>
wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Cheers, indeed i've never seen a Induction lighting myself
however the Lantern that is used run SON lamps not Induction Lamps, the other
thing is i was the Frist to have these Lanterns Install as i reported some
lanterns back in November they replaced a Urbis Linford & a GR 70 with out a
Bowl the i frist saw them installed, at first i didn't know why the Holophane
QSM wasn't used so i Emailed the Council in asking what they where the Cape i
know who Dears with the Streetlighting things at the Council he Said the lantrns
were INDO lanterns i right away looked at the site to see what the they were, i
thought INDO was new to Streetlighting but from how it looks they've been around
for about 20 years! Since November there have been more INDO lanterns of which i
have been the one who has actally had these  installed Because some like two Sky
Global Lanterns have little holes in them (Could be something to do with Kids
using small Rocks at them as i've come by more or it could be to do with old
Age?)
> > > > > > > > i only report them becase of if they may stop working if rain
water gets in side them so i do it for that reason or if its a Lantern with the
Bowl missing like theres a 1970s AEG stradasole lantern that'll been replaced on
less they Find a Bowl to use on it. The one without its Bowl is on Flickr the
funny thing is i only worked out its the Same lantern i reported last week so
its Been Missing its Bowl Since July as it says on the Page Seen here. its the
2nd one anlong.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/tug/5901527211/
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > that INDO Lantern which is used is seen in the Products &
Services at the Street Lighting Luminaires it is the 1st or 2nd Lantern. the
Photo Cell used from what i've seen is Minicell and one is already Dayburning in
my aren it replaced a other 1988/89 Sky Global Lantern which didn't Light up
well at night looked like a 10w SON lamps than a 50w SON so it was replaced for
that reason.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=MK77HN&hl=en&ll=52.016016,-0.701553&spn=0.000026\
,0.01354&hnear=MK7+7HN,+United+Kingdom&t=m&z=16&vpsrc=0&layer=c&cbll=52.016016,-\
0.701553&panoid=_uU_JTwVtifjVKaWCUrl1Q&cbp=12,265.42,,2,-5.17
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > if you zoom out you'll see a Urbis Saturn these are used all
Over MK in Houing arens the one seen was replaced by a QSM.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Regards
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > James
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --- In StreetlightingUK@yahoogroups.com, sailormoon_01_uk
<sailormoon_01_uk@> wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > For Indo Lighting see http://www.indolighting.com/index.html
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > ________________________________
> > > > > > > > >  From: sotonsteve <sotonsteve1987@>
> > > > > > > > > To: StreetlightingUK@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, 31 December 2011, 21:21
> > > > > > > > > Subject: [StreetlightingUK] Re: New to the group
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Welcome to the group. I hadn't heard of INDO lighting before
now, but I've just looked at their website. Induction lighting is a clever
concept. Unfortunately it is capital cost that holds it back, but it would be
brilliant for places where maintenance is difficult or dangerous.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > --- In StreetlightingUK@yahoogroups.com, "James"
<james_carl60@> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Hi All,
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Thanks for adding me to the Group. I hope to be some help to
the members on here and also to find out more about Streetlighting.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Does any one on here know of INDO street lighting lanterns?
Milton Keynes council have started using them for 5M lantern replacements the
QSM is still in use for replacements for 6M columns.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Regards
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > James.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

Yeah, if you use this address and put it in google you'll see some roundabouts
put the little orange man over the roundabout and you'll see the holophane qsms
in green. I would use a link but I'm using an iPad 2 .

46 Chelmsley Cir
Birmingham
B37 5UH
United Kingdom

Holophane have been in Milton Keynes since 2006 and the qsm can been seen in
most houing arens and main roads the odd one On high streets And in Industrial
estates too, others like in the town centre more of holophane lanterns there
like the vista junior, Grosvenor, and the Denver Pole all can be seen around
there.

A other thing is these grosvenor lanterns and holophane caribes are going to be
relamped  from 150w Son to 100w White lamps and have dimmers about 2100 in the
town centre in car parks not to sure as to when this will be but I think it
could be soon.

Regards

James


--- In StreetlightingUK@yahoogroups.com, "we1sbach" <cpg.cowesiw@...> wrote:
>
> Wow - had no idea Holophane were still in action - have they had a recent
resurgence? Nice range of lanterns on their site - the "Factor" LED lantern is
probably the best aesthetically I've seen so far - I believe some at the rear of
the Welsh Assembly building in Cardiff Bay may be of this design. Cheers, Chris
G.
>
> --- In StreetlightingUK@yahoogroups.com, "sotonsteve" <sotonsteve1987@> wrote:
> >
> > Dark green columns and Holophane lanterns sounds like Solihull to me.
> >
> > --- In StreetlightingUK@yahoogroups.com, "James" <james_carl60@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Last time we were in birmingham they were replaceing some columns with
dark green QSM's on 10m columns.
> > >
> > > I have never seen WRLT LEDs lanterns in use but I have seen led in use the
other day the open university in MK have replaced some Thorn Europa/Urbis
Sautrns with these LED ones. I  saw them in use at night so not sure on what
they are so just have to see if they are all going to be these's LED lanterns.
> > >
> > > Regards
> > >
> > > James
> > >
> > > --- In StreetlightingUK@yahoogroups.com, "we1sbach" <cpg.cowesiw@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I wonder if the WRTL Luma has put in an appearance? A couple of
experimental ones have appeared on the IW. The catalogue shows three panels, but
the one at 8m has two panels, and the class B version has one. Very different
approach to the Stela - relectors and a real cut-off design. Difficult to see
how many cells are involved, they seem hidden or very close together, unlike
other LED styles I have seen...
> > > > Cheers, Chris G.
> > > >
> > > > --- In StreetlightingUK@yahoogroups.com, "sotonsteve" <sotonsteve1987@>
wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Birmingham are using WRTL Stelas for side road applications, and WRTL
Airtraces and Arcs for main road applications. Strangely, a lot of the Arc
installations I have seen have been on double-headed columns, and it's not just
one or two double headed columns, they light entire streets with double headed
columns. Twin 90W Cosmo or something perhaps?
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In StreetlightingUK@yahoogroups.com, "James" <james_carl60@>
wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hi All
> > > > > >
> > > > > > i remember seeing on WRTL Web site birmingham was Doing a PFI with
WRTL LED lanterns do you know if they are Still using them?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > as for the Induction Lamps heres a Video on You Tube on How there
made i came by it Last night.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=awA_64uihg4
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Regards
> > > > > >
> > > > > > James.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In StreetlightingUK@yahoogroups.com, "sotonsteve"
<sotonsteve1987@> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The PFI contractor can change their mind if they wish. Comes down
to money at the end of the day. In my local PFI they probably aren't using LED
because it is still too expensive and they didn't originally budget for it. If
cost becomes comparable then they may switch to installing LED.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In StreetlightingUK@yahoogroups.com, "we1sbach" <cpg.cowesiw@>
wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Hi all, this is most interesting. I think I've seen some lamps
like this used in a shop, also in Cardiff indoor market iirc.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Does anyone know which London boroughs may be using these, as
mentioned on their site? (also although in Suffolk they use an 020 30 phone no -
are these used in East Anglia?)
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > These are stirring times in the introduction of white light. Do
authorities installing new systems under PFI have to stick with their specified
light source, or can they switch if one of the new sources becomes predominant?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Cheers, Chris G.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --- In StreetlightingUK@yahoogroups.com, "James" <james_carl60@>
wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Cheers, indeed i've never seen a Induction lighting myself
however the Lantern that is used run SON lamps not Induction Lamps, the other
thing is i was the Frist to have these Lanterns Install as i reported some
lanterns back in November they replaced a Urbis Linford & a GR 70 with out a
Bowl the i frist saw them installed, at first i didn't know why the Holophane
QSM wasn't used so i Emailed the Council in asking what they where the Cape i
know who Dears with the Streetlighting things at the Council he Said the lantrns
were INDO lanterns i right away looked at the site to see what the they were, i
thought INDO was new to Streetlighting but from how it looks they've been around
for about 20 years! Since November there have been more INDO lanterns of which i
have been the one who has actally had these  installed Because some like two Sky
Global Lanterns have little holes in them (Could be something to do with Kids
using small Rocks at them as i've come by more or it could be to do with old
Age?)
> > > > > > > > > i only report them becase of if they may stop working if rain
water gets in side them so i do it for that reason or if its a Lantern with the
Bowl missing like theres a 1970s AEG stradasole lantern that'll been replaced on
less they Find a Bowl to use on it. The one without its Bowl is on Flickr the
funny thing is i only worked out its the Same lantern i reported last week so
its Been Missing its Bowl Since July as it says on the Page Seen here. its the
2nd one anlong.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/tug/5901527211/
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > that INDO Lantern which is used is seen in the Products &
Services at the Street Lighting Luminaires it is the 1st or 2nd Lantern. the
Photo Cell used from what i've seen is Minicell and one is already Dayburning in
my aren it replaced a other 1988/89 Sky Global Lantern which didn't Light up
well at night looked like a 10w SON lamps than a 50w SON so it was replaced for
that reason.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=MK77HN&hl=en&ll=52.016016,-0.701553&spn=0.000026\
,0.01354&hnear=MK7+7HN,+United+Kingdom&t=m&z=16&vpsrc=0&layer=c&cbll=52.016016,-\
0.701553&panoid=_uU_JTwVtifjVKaWCUrl1Q&cbp=12,265.42,,2,-5.17
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > if you zoom out you'll see a Urbis Saturn these are used all
Over MK in Houing arens the one seen was replaced by a QSM.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Regards
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > James
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > --- In StreetlightingUK@yahoogroups.com, sailormoon_01_uk
<sailormoon_01_uk@> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > For Indo Lighting
see http://www.indolighting.com/index.html
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > ________________________________
> > > > > > > > > >  From: sotonsteve <sotonsteve1987@>
> > > > > > > > > > To: StreetlightingUK@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, 31 December 2011, 21:21
> > > > > > > > > > Subject: [StreetlightingUK] Re: New to the group
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Welcome to the group. I hadn't heard of INDO lighting before
now, but I've just looked at their website. Induction lighting is a clever
concept. Unfortunately it is capital cost that holds it back, but it would be
brilliant for places where maintenance is difficult or dangerous.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > --- In StreetlightingUK@yahoogroups.com, "James"
<james_carl60@> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Hi All,
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for adding me to the Group. I hope to be some help
to the members on here and also to find out more about Streetlighting.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Does any one on here know of INDO street lighting
lanterns? Milton Keynes council have started using them for 5M lantern
replacements the QSM is still in use for replacements for 6M columns.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Regards
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > James.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

we1sbach wrote:

> Amongst them is one shot taken by the corporation to show the effects of new
lighting - SOX lighting on large-braketted
> arced CU columns, partially lit.

That photo has always struck me as rather odd. As only one phase has been
connected, and as the lanterns are cut-off (they're Wardle Liverpools) then the
result is extremely patchy with large pools of light beneath each lit lantern. I
wonder if it was part of a set of photographs with the other phases being
connected in turn.

I wondered what the large post-top lanterns were. Where does it state that they
were made by MetroVick?

It's a great website - but an appalling design.

All the best,
Simon

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Almost exactly a year ago, I took some pics of a run of inductions near
Shepherd's Bush in London. At the time I didn't know what they were, but looking
at them now I'd say they are by INDO. They really are quite good! Pics here--

http://ecc83.hopto.org/site/index.php?sec=lighting&id=induction

.phil.

--- In StreetlightingUK@yahoogroups.com, "we1sbach" <cpg.cowesiw@...> wrote:
>
> Hi all, this is most interesting. I think I've seen some lamps like this used
in a shop, also in Cardiff indoor market iirc.
>
> Does anyone know which London boroughs may be using these, as mentioned on
their site? (also although in Suffolk they use an 020 30 phone no - are these
used in East Anglia?)
>
> These are stirring times in the introduction of white light. Do authorities
installing new systems under PFI have to stick with their specified light
source, or can they switch if one of the new sources becomes predominant?
>
> Cheers, Chris G.
>
>
>
> --- In StreetlightingUK@yahoogroups.com, "James" <james_carl60@> wrote:
> >
> > Cheers, indeed i've never seen a Induction lighting myself however the
Lantern that is used run SON lamps not Induction Lamps, the other thing is i was
the Frist to have these Lanterns Install as i reported some lanterns back in
November they replaced a Urbis Linford & a GR 70 with out a Bowl the i frist saw
them installed, at first i didn't know why the Holophane QSM wasn't used so i
Emailed the Council in asking what they where the Cape i know who Dears with the
Streetlighting things at the Council he Said the lantrns were INDO lanterns i
right away looked at the site to see what the they were, i thought INDO was new
to Streetlighting but from how it looks they've been around for about 20 years!
Since November there have been more INDO lanterns of which i have been the one
who has actally had these  installed Because some like two Sky Global Lanterns
have little holes in them (Could be something to do with Kids using small Rocks
at them as i've come by more or it could be to do with old Age?)
> > i only report them becase of if they may stop working if rain water gets in
side them so i do it for that reason or if its a Lantern with the Bowl missing
like theres a 1970s AEG stradasole lantern that'll been replaced on less they
Find a Bowl to use on it. The one without its Bowl is on Flickr the funny thing
is i only worked out its the Same lantern i reported last week so its Been
Missing its Bowl Since July as it says on the Page Seen here. its the 2nd one
anlong.
> >
> > http://www.flickr.com/photos/tug/5901527211/
> >
> >
> > that INDO Lantern which is used is seen in the Products & Services at the
Street Lighting Luminaires it is the 1st or 2nd Lantern. the Photo Cell used
from what i've seen is Minicell and one is already Dayburning in my aren it
replaced a other 1988/89 Sky Global Lantern which didn't Light up well at night
looked like a 10w SON lamps than a 50w SON so it was replaced for that reason.
> >
> >
http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=MK77HN&hl=en&ll=52.016016,-0.701553&spn=0.000026\
,0.01354&hnear=MK7+7HN,+United+Kingdom&t=m&z=16&vpsrc=0&layer=c&cbll=52.016016,-\
0.701553&panoid=_uU_JTwVtifjVKaWCUrl1Q&cbp=12,265.42,,2,-5.17
> >
> > if you zoom out you'll see a Urbis Saturn these are used all Over MK in
Houing arens the one seen was replaced by a QSM.
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > James
> >
> >
> > --- In StreetlightingUK@yahoogroups.com, sailormoon_01_uk
<sailormoon_01_uk@> wrote:
> > >
> > > For Indo Lighting see http://www.indolighting.com/index.html
> > >
> > >
> > > ________________________________
> > >  From: sotonsteve <sotonsteve1987@>
> > > To: StreetlightingUK@yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Saturday, 31 December 2011, 21:21
> > > Subject: [StreetlightingUK] Re: New to the group
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >  
> > >
> > > Welcome to the group. I hadn't heard of INDO lighting before now, but I've
just looked at their website. Induction lighting is a clever concept.
Unfortunately it is capital cost that holds it back, but it would be brilliant
for places where maintenance is difficult or dangerous.
> > >
> > > --- In StreetlightingUK@yahoogroups.com, "James" <james_carl60@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi All,
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for adding me to the Group. I hope to be some help to the members
on here and also to find out more about Streetlighting.
> > > >
> > > > Does any one on here know of INDO street lighting lanterns? Milton
Keynes council have started using them for 5M lantern replacements the QSM is
still in use for replacements for 6M columns.
> > > >
> > > > Regards
> > > >
> > > > James.
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> >
>

Thanks Phil - I remember now you put a link to this on the group before. I must
try and get there sometime. These would do nicely on main roads, where CFL is
used on sidestreets, as at Guildford.... Cheers, Chris G.

--- In StreetlightingUK@yahoogroups.com, "phil4444uk" <phil.macbean@...> wrote:
>
> Almost exactly a year ago, I took some pics of a run of inductions near
Shepherd's Bush in London. At the time I didn't know what they were, but looking
at them now I'd say they are by INDO. They really are quite good! Pics here--
>
> http://ecc83.hopto.org/site/index.php?sec=lighting&id=induction
>
> .phil.
>
> --- In StreetlightingUK@yahoogroups.com, "we1sbach" <cpg.cowesiw@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi all, this is most interesting. I think I've seen some lamps like this
used in a shop, also in Cardiff indoor market iirc.
> >
> > Does anyone know which London boroughs may be using these, as mentioned on
their site? (also although in Suffolk they use an 020 30 phone no - are these
used in East Anglia?)
> >
> > These are stirring times in the introduction of white light. Do authorities
installing new systems under PFI have to stick with their specified light
source, or can they switch if one of the new sources becomes predominant?
> >
> > Cheers, Chris G.
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In StreetlightingUK@yahoogroups.com, "James" <james_carl60@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Cheers, indeed i've never seen a Induction lighting myself however the
Lantern that is used run SON lamps not Induction Lamps, the other thing is i was
the Frist to have these Lanterns Install as i reported some lanterns back in
November they replaced a Urbis Linford & a GR 70 with out a Bowl the i frist saw
them installed, at first i didn't know why the Holophane QSM wasn't used so i
Emailed the Council in asking what they where the Cape i know who Dears with the
Streetlighting things at the Council he Said the lantrns were INDO lanterns i
right away looked at the site to see what the they were, i thought INDO was new
to Streetlighting but from how it looks they've been around for about 20 years!
Since November there have been more INDO lanterns of which i have been the one
who has actally had these  installed Because some like two Sky Global Lanterns
have little holes in them (Could be something to do with Kids using small Rocks
at them as i've come by more or it could be to do with old Age?)
> > > i only report them becase of if they may stop working if rain water gets
in side them so i do it for that reason or if its a Lantern with the Bowl
missing like theres a 1970s AEG stradasole lantern that'll been replaced on less
they Find a Bowl to use on it. The one without its Bowl is on Flickr the funny
thing is i only worked out its the Same lantern i reported last week so its Been
Missing its Bowl Since July as it says on the Page Seen here. its the 2nd one
anlong.
> > >
> > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/tug/5901527211/
> > >
> > >
> > > that INDO Lantern which is used is seen in the Products & Services at the
Street Lighting Luminaires it is the 1st or 2nd Lantern. the Photo Cell used
from what i've seen is Minicell and one is already Dayburning in my aren it
replaced a other 1988/89 Sky Global Lantern which didn't Light up well at night
looked like a 10w SON lamps than a 50w SON so it was replaced for that reason.
> > >
> > >
http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=MK77HN&hl=en&ll=52.016016,-0.701553&spn=0.000026\
,0.01354&hnear=MK7+7HN,+United+Kingdom&t=m&z=16&vpsrc=0&layer=c&cbll=52.016016,-\
0.701553&panoid=_uU_JTwVtifjVKaWCUrl1Q&cbp=12,265.42,,2,-5.17
> > >
> > > if you zoom out you'll see a Urbis Saturn these are used all Over MK in
Houing arens the one seen was replaced by a QSM.
> > >
> > > Regards
> > >
> > > James
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In StreetlightingUK@yahoogroups.com, sailormoon_01_uk
<sailormoon_01_uk@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > For Indo Lighting see http://www.indolighting.com/index.html
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ________________________________
> > > >  From: sotonsteve <sotonsteve1987@>
> > > > To: StreetlightingUK@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Sent: Saturday, 31 December 2011, 21:21
> > > > Subject: [StreetlightingUK] Re: New to the group
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >  
> > > >
> > > > Welcome to the group. I hadn't heard of INDO lighting before now, but
I've just looked at their website. Induction lighting is a clever concept.
Unfortunately it is capital cost that holds it back, but it would be brilliant
for places where maintenance is difficult or dangerous.
> > > >
> > > > --- In StreetlightingUK@yahoogroups.com, "James" <james_carl60@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi All,
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks for adding me to the Group. I hope to be some help to the
members on here and also to find out more about Streetlighting.
> > > > >
> > > > > Does any one on here know of INDO street lighting lanterns? Milton
Keynes council have started using them for 5M lantern replacements the QSM is
still in use for replacements for 6M columns.
> > > > >
> > > > > Regards
> > > > >
> > > > > James.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

Yes, I was surprised to the effect was quite so well-defined back in 1955. LPS
lanterns seem to feature as cut-offs less often than MV or HPS it seems, at
least after early days of Revo Daleks etc. Any reason why this would be? Cheers,
Chris G.

--- In StreetlightingUK@yahoogroups.com, "Simon Cornwell" <simon@...> wrote:
>
> we1sbach wrote:
>
> > Amongst them is one shot taken by the corporation to show the effects of new
lighting - SOX lighting on large-braketted
> > arced CU columns, partially lit.
>
> That photo has always struck me as rather odd. As only one phase has been
connected, and as the lanterns are cut-off (they're Wardle Liverpools) then the
result is extremely patchy with large pools of light beneath each lit lantern. I
wonder if it was part of a set of photographs with the other phases being
connected in turn.
>
> I wondered what the large post-top lanterns were. Where does it state that
they were made by MetroVick?
>
> It's a great website - but an appalling design.
>
> All the best,
> Simon
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Hi Guys
 
the link shown is only on part of the website, for the home page see
http://inacityliving.piczo.com/?g=27070738&cr=7 re the Street lighting it
catalogues them from the 1800s to date and with Liverpool most were of their own
design/Specifiactaions too such as the Gas Lantern  they were type New Patten's
to Wardle Liverpool's, re the huge Post tops, I think Chis mentioned were
Metrovickers, actually they Origionally used Carbon Arc's then by the 1950s they
were modified to use 3 x 1500 watt GLS then 3 x 1000w Mercury Vapour Lamps in
the 1960's and 400w SON lamps they survived until the mid 1970's before they
were replaced by High Mast Lighting using 1kw MBF/U lamps later replaced by 400w
SON-T lanterns in the 1980's
 
Re SOX (Actually SO/H) lighting yes Liverpool was the first City to used then
in a Mass Scale from 1933, after the first Trial on Purley Way Croydon in
1932, with the Co operation of Liverpool City's Lighting Department and Wardle
Enginering in Manchester Developed the First Cutoff Sodium Lantern the "Wardle
Liverpool" for a Photo of the Wardle Liverpool
see http://colingrimes-lighting.yolasite.com/resources/Wardle-Liverpool-for-90w\
-SOX-lamp.jpg
 
All the Best
 
Colin


________________________________
  From: we1sbach <cpg.cowesiw@...>
To: StreetlightingUK@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, 2 January 2012, 11:05
Subject: [StreetlightingUK] Re: Old Time Liverpool



 

Yes, I was surprised to the effect was quite so well-defined back in 1955. LPS
lanterns seem to feature as cut-offs less often than MV or HPS it seems, at
least after early days of Revo Daleks etc. Any reason why this would be? Cheers,
Chris G.

--- In StreetlightingUK@yahoogroups.com, "Simon Cornwell" <simon@...> wrote:
>
> we1sbach wrote:
>
> > Amongst them is one shot taken by the corporation to show the effects of new
lighting - SOX lighting on large-braketted
> > arced CU columns, partially lit.
>
> That photo has always struck me as rather odd. As only one phase has been
connected, and as the lanterns are cut-off (they're Wardle Liverpools) then the
result is extremely patchy with large pools of light beneath each lit lantern. I
wonder if it was part of a set of photographs with the other phases being
connected in turn.
>
> I wondered what the large post-top lanterns were. Where does it state that
they were made by MetroVick?
>
> It's a great website - but an appalling design.
>
> All the best,
> Simon
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>




[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Those Induction Lamps must be made by INDO & the Lantern too. one thing is They
don't tell you the Model name of the Lanterns on there Site.

Came by a Davis Starline GR 70 Today out Walking without its Bowl, i looked for
its Bowl but someone must have taken it. a other to the List to Be replaced by a
INDO.

Regards

James

--- In StreetlightingUK@yahoogroups.com, "we1sbach" <cpg.cowesiw@...> wrote:
>
> Thanks Phil - I remember now you put a link to this on the group before. I
must try and get there sometime. These would do nicely on main roads, where CFL
is used on sidestreets, as at Guildford.... Cheers, Chris G.
>
> --- In StreetlightingUK@yahoogroups.com, "phil4444uk" <phil.macbean@> wrote:
> >
> > Almost exactly a year ago, I took some pics of a run of inductions near
Shepherd's Bush in London. At the time I didn't know what they were, but looking
at them now I'd say they are by INDO. They really are quite good! Pics here--
> >
> > http://ecc83.hopto.org/site/index.php?sec=lighting&id=induction
> >
> > .phil.
> >
> > --- In StreetlightingUK@yahoogroups.com, "we1sbach" <cpg.cowesiw@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi all, this is most interesting. I think I've seen some lamps like this
used in a shop, also in Cardiff indoor market iirc.
> > >
> > > Does anyone know which London boroughs may be using these, as mentioned on
their site? (also although in Suffolk they use an 020 30 phone no - are these
used in East Anglia?)
> > >
> > > These are stirring times in the introduction of white light. Do
authorities installing new systems under PFI have to stick with their specified
light source, or can they switch if one of the new sources becomes predominant?
> > >
> > > Cheers, Chris G.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In StreetlightingUK@yahoogroups.com, "James" <james_carl60@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Cheers, indeed i've never seen a Induction lighting myself however the
Lantern that is used run SON lamps not Induction Lamps, the other thing is i was
the Frist to have these Lanterns Install as i reported some lanterns back in
November they replaced a Urbis Linford & a GR 70 with out a Bowl the i frist saw
them installed, at first i didn't know why the Holophane QSM wasn't used so i
Emailed the Council in asking what they where the Cape i know who Dears with the
Streetlighting things at the Council he Said the lantrns were INDO lanterns i
right away looked at the site to see what the they were, i thought INDO was new
to Streetlighting but from how it looks they've been around for about 20 years!
Since November there have been more INDO lanterns of which i have been the one
who has actally had these  installed Because some like two Sky Global Lanterns
have little holes in them (Could be something to do with Kids using small Rocks
at them as i've come by more or it could be to do with old Age?)
> > > > i only report them becase of if they may stop working if rain water gets
in side them so i do it for that reason or if its a Lantern with the Bowl
missing like theres a 1970s AEG stradasole lantern that'll been replaced on less
they Find a Bowl to use on it. The one without its Bowl is on Flickr the funny
thing is i only worked out its the Same lantern i reported last week so its Been
Missing its Bowl Since July as it says on the Page Seen here. its the 2nd one
anlong.
> > > >
> > > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/tug/5901527211/
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > that INDO Lantern which is used is seen in the Products & Services at
the Street Lighting Luminaires it is the 1st or 2nd Lantern. the Photo Cell used
from what i've seen is Minicell and one is already Dayburning in my aren it
replaced a other 1988/89 Sky Global Lantern which didn't Light up well at night
looked like a 10w SON lamps than a 50w SON so it was replaced for that reason.
> > > >
> > > >
http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=MK77HN&hl=en&ll=52.016016,-0.701553&spn=0.000026\
,0.01354&hnear=MK7+7HN,+United+Kingdom&t=m&z=16&vpsrc=0&layer=c&cbll=52.016016,-\
0.701553&panoid=_uU_JTwVtifjVKaWCUrl1Q&cbp=12,265.42,,2,-5.17
> > > >
> > > > if you zoom out you'll see a Urbis Saturn these are used all Over MK in
Houing arens the one seen was replaced by a QSM.
> > > >
> > > > Regards
> > > >
> > > > James
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In StreetlightingUK@yahoogroups.com, sailormoon_01_uk
<sailormoon_01_uk@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > For Indo Lighting see http://www.indolighting.com/index.html
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ________________________________
> > > > >  From: sotonsteve <sotonsteve1987@>
> > > > > To: StreetlightingUK@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > Sent: Saturday, 31 December 2011, 21:21
> > > > > Subject: [StreetlightingUK] Re: New to the group
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >  
> > > > >
> > > > > Welcome to the group. I hadn't heard of INDO lighting before now, but
I've just looked at their website. Induction lighting is a clever concept.
Unfortunately it is capital cost that holds it back, but it would be brilliant
for places where maintenance is difficult or dangerous.
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In StreetlightingUK@yahoogroups.com, "James" <james_carl60@>
wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hi All,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks for adding me to the Group. I hope to be some help to the
members on here and also to find out more about Streetlighting.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Does any one on here know of INDO street lighting lanterns? Milton
Keynes council have started using them for 5M lantern replacements the QSM is
still in use for replacements for 6M columns.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Regards
> > > > > >
> > > > > > James.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

--- In StreetlightingUK@yahoogroups.com, "we1sbach" <cpg.cowesiw@...> wrote:
>
> Wow - had no idea Holophane were still in action - have they had a recent
resurgence? Nice range of lanterns on their site


Yes, Holophane have been very popular in recent years. In York they've been
installing QSM's Since August 2006 - as the road where I used to live was the
first street they were installed on. In recent years it's been black QSS's that
are most popular (although we've got one white one that may have come from
Cumbria) Up here it's Amey doing the work, and they do seem to like the QS range
of lanterns: York has black QSM's and QSS's, Cumbria (particularly Carlisle) has
QSS's, and Birmingham (which is Amey's PFI) has been mentioned above for green
QSM's.
York moved away from the QSM's as the Harvard electronic ballasts in them were
prone to failing early - so the QSS is specified instead most of the time. They
have a seperate compartment for the ballast which is completely sealed once the
canopy is shut, and has a heat sink underneath - The ballasts are the orange
Zodion Vizion smart ballasts. Although most are being switched by Nema type
photocells (35 lux), having those ballasts inside means that the infastructure
is there should radio switching be expanded.

Regs, Chris.

The large post tops I mentioned are ones I said look similar to the Metrovick
ones at Southport - as there has been somewhere that confirmed the Southport
ones as MetroVick's... but they are a grand design.

The web page design is quite shocking to be honest... it should be in a
'gallery' format rather than one long linear page with what must be about 500
images on at least!

regs, Chris.

--- In StreetlightingUK@yahoogroups.com, "Simon Cornwell" <simon@...> wrote:
>
> we1sbach wrote:
>
> > Amongst them is one shot taken by the corporation to show the effects of new
lighting - SOX lighting on large-braketted
> > arced CU columns, partially lit.
>
> That photo has always struck me as rather odd. As only one phase has been
connected, and as the lanterns are cut-off (they're Wardle Liverpools) then the
result is extremely patchy with large pools of light beneath each lit lantern. I
wonder if it was part of a set of photographs with the other phases being
connected in turn.
>
> I wondered what the large post-top lanterns were. Where does it state that
they were made by MetroVick?
>
> It's a great website - but an appalling design.
>
> All the best,
> Simon
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

the QSMs here are in a Dark Grey colour. your right on the QSMs failing early
some in Milton keynes had that happen to them not that many the other Lantern
which has this is the ARC Lantern a good few have Failed over the years. there
was one down the road from me which stopped working in 2009 after about 2 weeks
in use i reported it a few times but it didn't have its ballast/Gear replaced
until only 5 weeks ago that the Gear was replaced i emailed the  council and
said it was out for 2 years and only two weeks after i emailed that they
replaced the Gear.

Regards

James

--- In StreetlightingUK@yahoogroups.com, "nelboy001" <nel_boy001@...> wrote:
>
> --- In StreetlightingUK@yahoogroups.com, "we1sbach" <cpg.cowesiw@> wrote:
> >
> > Wow - had no idea Holophane were still in action - have they had a recent
resurgence? Nice range of lanterns on their site
>
>
> Yes, Holophane have been very popular in recent years. In York they've been
installing QSM's Since August 2006 - as the road where I used to live was the
first street they were installed on. In recent years it's been black QSS's that
are most popular (although we've got one white one that may have come from
Cumbria) Up here it's Amey doing the work, and they do seem to like the QS range
of lanterns: York has black QSM's and QSS's, Cumbria (particularly Carlisle) has
QSS's, and Birmingham (which is Amey's PFI) has been mentioned above for green
QSM's.
> York moved away from the QSM's as the Harvard electronic ballasts in them were
prone to failing early - so the QSS is specified instead most of the time. They
have a seperate compartment for the ballast which is completely sealed once the
canopy is shut, and has a heat sink underneath - The ballasts are the orange
Zodion Vizion smart ballasts. Although most are being switched by Nema type
photocells (35 lux), having those ballasts inside means that the infastructure
is there should radio switching be expanded.
>
> Regs, Chris.
>

Hi all,

I was talking to Jamie P on he's website and he said He found somewhere that
actually Does have electrodeless lamps - it turns out he's been there many times
before, but never noticed. It is in a gantry of the Exilby petrol station on the
A19 in Hartlepool. Jaime also had this link to a website about this lamp as seen
here.

http://www.lamptech.co.uk/Spec%20Sheets/Osram%20Endura.htm

Regards

James

East Croydon bus station is lit by Enduras.  When first opened it had metal
halides uplighting onto reflectors mounted above them, but a few years ago these
were replaced by red LEDs for decoration only, with the enduras mounted below
them and lighting directly downwards.

The clock faces at the Houses of Parliament are lit by Philips QL lamps, and
have been for a long time.

I've seen electrodeless lamps in a few other places, but I can't remember where.
They never seem to have been very widely used.   They're quite expensive to buy,
but I'm surprised that the reduced maintenance doesn't make them worthwhile.

It's not Birmingham who uses green columns and Holophane lanterns, it's
neighbouring Solihull.

--- In StreetlightingUK@yahoogroups.com, "nelboy001" <nel_boy001@...> wrote:
>
> --- In StreetlightingUK@yahoogroups.com, "we1sbach" <cpg.cowesiw@> wrote:
> >
> > Wow - had no idea Holophane were still in action - have they had a recent
resurgence? Nice range of lanterns on their site
>
>
> Yes, Holophane have been very popular in recent years. In York they've been
installing QSM's Since August 2006 - as the road where I used to live was the
first street they were installed on. In recent years it's been black QSS's that
are most popular (although we've got one white one that may have come from
Cumbria) Up here it's Amey doing the work, and they do seem to like the QS range
of lanterns: York has black QSM's and QSS's, Cumbria (particularly Carlisle) has
QSS's, and Birmingham (which is Amey's PFI) has been mentioned above for green
QSM's.
> York moved away from the QSM's as the Harvard electronic ballasts in them were
prone to failing early - so the QSS is specified instead most of the time. They
have a seperate compartment for the ballast which is completely sealed once the
canopy is shut, and has a heat sink underneath - The ballasts are the orange
Zodion Vizion smart ballasts. Although most are being switched by Nema type
photocells (35 lux), having those ballasts inside means that the infastructure
is there should radio switching be expanded.
>
> Regs, Chris.
>

looks like these lamps have been around for a few years then.

i never knew The clock faces at the Houses of Parliament are lit by Philips QL
Lamps.

i wounder if MK are going to use electrodeless lamps or PL-L Lamps as they wan't
to do 675 industrial aren lights to be dimmed and trimmed and also to have Lamps
wattages reduced from 90w SOX to 55w PL-L lamps which would be very interesting
to see a SOX lantern running PL-L lamps as the reason is Grid Roads were
switched off back in June but as its not run by lib dems anymore and is now run
by the conservatives they wan't to put them back on again but Dimming and
trimming all 4,400 and from how it sounds maybe using white lamps.
you can read more here this tells you more about what will be done.

http://cmis.milton-keynes.gov.uk/CmisWebPublic/Binary.ashx?Document=33507

Regards

James
--- In StreetlightingUK@yahoogroups.com, "stephen_furley" <furles@...> wrote:
>
> East Croydon bus station is lit by Enduras.  When first opened it had metal
halides uplighting onto reflectors mounted above them, but a few years ago these
were replaced by red LEDs for decoration only, with the enduras mounted below
them and lighting directly downwards.
>
> The clock faces at the Houses of Parliament are lit by Philips QL lamps, and
have been for a long time.
>
> I've seen electrodeless lamps in a few other places, but I can't remember
where.  They never seem to have been very widely used.   They're quite expensive
to buy, but I'm surprised that the reduced maintenance doesn't make them
worthwhile.
>

Ah you would be right i looked on Google street view and Birmingham itself
doesn't have these Green columns and Holopphane Lanterns but like you said
Solihull does as last time we were there we came off the M6 going to Focus on
imaging so we didn't actally go in to Birmingham itself then. :)

Regards

James

--- In StreetlightingUK@yahoogroups.com, "sotonsteve" <sotonsteve1987@...>
wrote:
>
> It's not Birmingham who uses green columns and Holophane lanterns, it's
neighbouring Solihull.
>
> --- In StreetlightingUK@yahoogroups.com, "nelboy001" <nel_boy001@> wrote:
> >
> > --- In StreetlightingUK@yahoogroups.com, "we1sbach" <cpg.cowesiw@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Wow - had no idea Holophane were still in action - have they had a recent
resurgence? Nice range of lanterns on their site
> >
> >
> > Yes, Holophane have been very popular in recent years. In York they've been
installing QSM's Since August 2006 - as the road where I used to live was the
first street they were installed on. In recent years it's been black QSS's that
are most popular (although we've got one white one that may have come from
Cumbria) Up here it's Amey doing the work, and they do seem to like the QS range
of lanterns: York has black QSM's and QSS's, Cumbria (particularly Carlisle) has
QSS's, and Birmingham (which is Amey's PFI) has been mentioned above for green
QSM's.
> > York moved away from the QSM's as the Harvard electronic ballasts in them
were prone to failing early - so the QSS is specified instead most of the time.
They have a seperate compartment for the ballast which is completely sealed once
the canopy is shut, and has a heat sink underneath - The ballasts are the orange
Zodion Vizion smart ballasts. Although most are being switched by Nema type
photocells (35 lux), having those ballasts inside means that the infastructure
is there should radio switching be expanded.
> >
> > Regs, Chris.
> >
>

--- In StreetlightingUK@yahoogroups.com, "James" <james_carl60@...> wrote:
>
> the QSMs here are in a Dark Grey colour. your right on the QSMs failing early
some in Milton keynes had that happen to them not that many the other Lantern
which has this is the ARC Lantern a good few have Failed over the years. there
was one down the road from me which stopped working in 2009 after about 2 weeks
in use i reported it a few times but it didn't have its ballast/Gear replaced
until only 5 weeks ago that the Gear was replaced i emailed the  council and
said it was out for 2 years and only two weeks after i emailed that they
replaced the Gear.
>

The street I used to live in was the first one here to get QSM's fitted, and
they've been reliable and so were probably on magnetic gear. But on the street I
live now, the QSM outside went out of action in the summer and it took about 3
months before anything happened. Also during that time, the photocell
dissappeared. When the lantern did get seen to, it was noted that the cell
socket had been damaged. The ballast was dead and they didn't have a replacement
on the van and so came back the next day, with a second-hand Arc to fit up
instead. Round here the Arc's are quite reliable and I haven't seen any that
have had dead ballasts. I think most of them are on magnetic gear, although the
one I have has a nice blue Zodion electronic ballast inside.

Regs, Chris.

Hi All,

Today I saw that the Stacey bushes industrial estate has had all it's Davis GR
100s on 8m columns and SOX topost global Lanturns on 5m  Fabrikat Spuare columns
had the lanturns replaced by more indo's the same one which is used on 5m
columns. I can't say for sure if they run Induction lamps but knowing that some
sox lamps were going to be replaced with fluorescent lamps and run 55w I think
they could well be induction or PL-L lamps at least and they must have dimmers
then as that is what was going to be done. Still there would be more to replaced
as it's about 650 that will be done for saving money. I wonder if the GEC Z9554s
will be replaced as the grid roads are also to have dimmers?

Regards

James

--- In StreetlightingUK@yahoogroups.com, "nelboy001" <nel_boy001@...> wrote:
>
> --- In StreetlightingUK@yahoogroups.com, "James" <james_carl60@> wrote:
> >
> > the QSMs here are in a Dark Grey colour. your right on the QSMs failing
early some in Milton keynes had that happen to them not that many the other
Lantern which has this is the ARC Lantern a good few have Failed over the years.
there was one down the road from me which stopped working in 2009 after about 2
weeks in use i reported it a few times but it didn't have its ballast/Gear
replaced until only 5 weeks ago that the Gear was replaced i emailed the 
council and said it was out for 2 years and only two weeks after i emailed that
they replaced the Gear.
> >
>
> The street I used to live in was the first one here to get QSM's fitted, and
they've been reliable and so were probably on magnetic gear. But on the street I
live now, the QSM outside went out of action in the summer and it took about 3
months before anything happened. Also during that time, the photocell
dissappeared. When the lantern did get seen to, it was noted that the cell
socket had been damaged. The ballast was dead and they didn't have a replacement
on the van and so came back the next day, with a second-hand Arc to fit up
instead. Round here the Arc's are quite reliable and I haven't seen any that
have had dead ballasts. I think most of them are on magnetic gear, although the
one I have has a nice blue Zodion electronic ballast inside.
>
> Regs, Chris.
>

--- In StreetlightingUK@yahoogroups.com, "James" <james_carl60@...> wrote:
>
> looks like these lamps have been around for a few years then.
>
> i never knew The clock faces at the Houses of Parliament are lit by >Philips
QL Lamps.

CP-Lighting sell the full range of both Philips QL and Osram Endura
electrodeless lamps, but you won't like the prices of them.

--- In StreetlightingUK@yahoogroups.com, "stephen_furley" <furles@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> --- In StreetlightingUK@yahoogroups.com, "James" <james_carl60@> wrote:
> >
> > looks like these lamps have been around for a few years then.
> >
> > i never knew The clock faces at the Houses of Parliament are lit by >Philips
QL Lamps.
>
> CP-Lighting sell the full range of both Philips QL and Osram Endura
electrodeless lamps, but you won't like the prices of them.
>

  I'd say £60 to £70. how much then?