Thanks a lot Bruce and Joe. I will test it.

Thierry

> The largest problems I had was the lack of a startUp message. You can
> edit the open menu item of the RTE to make it open proj with startUp.
> That would fix that part for you. As far as your main apps scripts
> working as a sharedFile, you can insert them into the backScript. This,
> as Joe reminded me, is used before the sharedFile so you can catch
> things first.
>
>
> On Saturday, August 31, 2002, at 04:26 PM, Thierry Maire wrote:
>
>> Hello there,
>>
>> Need some advice. I have used to work with SuperEdit (SE) for some
>> years. It
>> has worked very fine to build and to prototype SC standalones managing
>> satellite projects. I don't know the best way to do it now... without
>> SE.
>>
>> What I mean is that I do not develop one project working by itself
>> usually.
>> I work on applications able to create and open other projects. So I
>> need to
>> develop the standalone project including globals, handlers and menus so
>> that
>> my code will replace the sharedfile while I build the standalone.
>>
>> I don't know how I can build such projects and test it without SE. I
>> would
>> like to be able to add my code to the sharedfile or something like this.
>>
>> Any advice is welcome!
>> TIA
>>
>> Thierry
>>
>>
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Two quick questions...

1.  I tried using "open URL" and get a standard open dialog asking where
the URL is.  I expected mt web browser to open and display the page.
This is in a background field script:

on enterInField
   get the selection
   if "http" is in it or "www" is in it then
     open URL it
   end if
end enterInField

2.  Will standalones be possible with SC4 final release?  Will this be a
command fromthe File menu?

Thanks in advance.

R Charles Flickinger

Hi all,

At 9:16 -0400 31/08/02, Bruce Martin wrote:
>I know scripting is great, but if more "developers"
>knew how to extend SuperCards abilities, we might see some very awesome
>things.
>
>Maybe the ability to use PhotoShop Plug-ins to manipulate pictureData.

I was searching for an X doing that and did not find any.

Do our Xternal gurus confirm it doesn't exist?

TIA
--
Best regards,

Didier Gross

Scott, Mark,

It's really a good new to see that SuperEdit 4 is really a work in
progress -even if we still can't use it- and not simply a line of a
to do list.

Once again, the new features of SC4 and your tremendous work are very
impressive. Thanks.

--
Didier Gross

Hi Charles,

>1.  I tried using "open URL" and get a standard open dialog asking where
>the URL is.  I expected mt web browser to open and display the page.
>This is in a background field script:
>
>on enterInField
>  get the selection
>  if "http" is in it or "www" is in it then
>    open URL it
>  end if
>end enterInField
you need to use AppleScript in os X

         get " open location ""E&theURL"E
         get Script(do, Applescript, it)

the open URL command in the language Guide is for the Roadster plugin.
I *guess* Roadster(SC-Web) will not be in the SC4 package.

>
>2.  Will standalones be possible with SC4 final release?  Will this be a
>command fromthe File menu?

SAM was a separate app in SC 3.6

Cheers

John Johnston

>Two quick questions...
>
>1.  I tried using "open URL" and get a standard open dialog asking where
>the URL is.  I expected mt web browser to open and display the page.
>This is in a background field script:
>
>on enterInField
>   get the selection
>   if "http" is in it or "www" is in it then
>     open URL it
>   end if
>end enterInField

   You're trying to write HyperTalk in SuperCard. "open url" is a
command that's HC-specific. IIRC the recommended way to open a URL in
SC is by using AppleScript.

>2.  Will standalones be possible with SC4 final release?  Will this be a
>command fromthe File menu?

   This feature is coming back, it just wasn't shipped as part of the
beta. I've heard they had a very smart person rework it and I think
it will be gaaawwww-juss.
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>I was searching for an X doing that and did not find any.
>
>Do our Xternal gurus confirm it doesn't exist?

   The Photoshop plugin interface is very complex. It probably could be
done to add support for that to SC, but it would be a boatload of
work. I'd rather see the energy invested into something that makes
SuperCard more unique.

   Most pros use a dedicated painting program anyway, and I'd rather
see SuperCard able to do a 1-on-1 import of some of their graphics
formats.
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------------------------------------------------------------
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Dunno about the gurus, but I can confirm that as of OSX, the SDK for
Photoshop is quite pricey, or at least was a month or so ago when I
thought I'd take a stab at this. It doesn't mean it won't happen, but
it will be down the road a month or so at least.

-Chilton

On Sunday, September 1, 2002, at 03:35 AM, Didier Gross wrote:

> I was searching for an X doing that and did not find any.
>
> Do our Xternal gurus confirm it doesn't exist?

You don't need to create a Pro app to make use of such things. It could
be a good selling point for an application that might make web photo
albums if it could use the plug-ins. Applying the filters to say
drawText could also make a cool word processor.

I used this as an example but there are other areas, such as background
patterns. I think it would be great if I could use a small 10 X 10 image
as a background pattern like you can on a web page. A resource is ok,
but the ability to use an image file is even better IMHO.


On Sunday, September 1, 2002, at 06:26 AM, M. Uli Kusterer wrote:

> >I was searching for an X doing that and did not find any.
> >
> >Do our Xternal gurus confirm it doesn't exist?
>
>   The Photoshop plugin interface is very complex. It probably could be
> done to add support for that to SC, but it would be a boatload of
> work. I'd rather see the energy invested into something that makes
> SuperCard more unique.
>
>   Most pros use a dedicated painting program anyway, and I'd rather
> see SuperCard able to do a 1-on-1 import of some of their graphics
> formats.
> --
> Cheers,
> M. Uli Kusterer
> ------------------------------------------------------------
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I am in the process of porting my projects to SC B11. In many of my
projects, I heavily rely on ListMaster. However, as many of you probably
have realized, the external no longer works under OS X. Does anyone know (1)
if LM will continue under OS X and when it will be available and (2) what
other alternatives are there for controlling multicolumn lists with SC4.

Any information anyone has would be really valuable. Thanks.

On 8/31/02 10:14 PM, "Ian Bridges" <inperson@...> wrote:

> Pleased to note that OSX.2 fixes some bugs that effected Supercard -
> vertical tickmarks in sliders are now working correctly, as are east
> facing small tabs.
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As far as I know, the carbon LM is already in use inside some parts of
the RTE.

-Chilton

On Sunday, September 1, 2002, at 09:20 AM, Todd Harbour wrote:

> I am in the process of porting my projects to SC B11. In many of my
> projects, I heavily rely on ListMaster. However, as many of you
> probably
> have realized, the external no longer works under OS X. Does anyone
> know (1)
> if LM will continue under OS X and when it will be available and (2)
> what
> other alternatives are there for controlling multicolumn lists with
> SC4.
>
> Any information anyone has would be really valuable. Thanks.

Tried to open an old project (done in SC3.+) but discovered that I used a
password.  Don't remember the password and can't find it written down
anywhere.

Any suggestions that will enable me to open the project will be greatly
appreicated.  Would like to use the project with SC4.

Thanks.

Bob

Where can I get docs that describe how to control say the number of columns,
their alignment, etc.? I haven't been able to find anything inside the RTE
yet. Thoughts?

On 9/1/02 10:24 AM, "Chilton Webb" <chilton@...> wrote:

> As far as I know, the carbon LM is already in use inside some parts of
> the RTE.
>
> -Chilton
>
> On Sunday, September 1, 2002, at 09:20 AM, Todd Harbour wrote:
>
>> I am in the process of porting my projects to SC B11. In many of my
>> projects, I heavily rely on ListMaster. However, as many of you
>> probably
>> have realized, the external no longer works under OS X. Does anyone
>> know (1)
>> if LM will continue under OS X and when it will be available and (2)
>> what
>> other alternatives are there for controlling multicolumn lists with
>> SC4.
>>
>> Any information anyone has would be really valuable. Thanks.
>
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They're the same as before, only that it's a bit more picky under OSX.
Make sure that the number of columns you define equal the number of
columns you use elsewhere in the definition.

-Chilton

On Sunday, September 1, 2002, at 09:39 AM, Todd Harbour wrote:

> Where can I get docs that describe how to control say the number of
> columns,
> their alignment, etc.? I haven't been able to find anything inside the
> RTE
> yet. Thoughts?

(I'm sure LM docs will be forthcoming once the other fires are out)

-Chilton

Hmmmm. Right now SC4 throws an exception every time I call LM. The script
essentially stops for the sake of LM. When you say that it is "more picky
under OSX," what do you mean exactly. I guess I am somewhat confused. Is
there anything available in the current distribution that describes on the
"new" column management capabilities are implement and how I can implement
them? I'm poking around the latest stuff, and so far I haven't been able to
find anything. What I have seen so far is very exciting, and the next big
hurdle for me is getting my tables back in order. Thanks.



On 9/1/02 10:57 AM, "Chilton Webb" <chilton@...> wrote:

> They're the same as before, only that it's a bit more picky under OSX.
> Make sure that the number of columns you define equal the number of
> columns you use elsewhere in the definition.
>
> -Chilton
>
> On Sunday, September 1, 2002, at 09:39 AM, Todd Harbour wrote:
>
>> Where can I get docs that describe how to control say the number of
>> columns,
>> their alignment, etc.? I haven't been able to find anything inside the
>> RTE
>> yet. Thoughts?
>
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I'm not at my development machine right now, but from what I remember,
I was referring to the dimensions of 4 columns in the first line of the
LM definition, and only setting styles for 3 columns a few lines later.
Look for things like that. As far as I know, there's no difference
between the Carbon LM and the old-style LM, but you do need to remove
the old LM LDEF resource, and make sure you've removed the old LM
external, prior to playing with the carboon LM.

By 'more picky', I mean that under OS9, you could have a lot of typos
in the LM definition. LM would notice the error and it probably
wouldn't affect you. However, under OSX, some mistakes like that are
not well received, and the OS kills off any offenders. Once you get the
bugs ironed out of your LM code, it works flawlessly.

-Chilton

On Sunday, September 1, 2002, at 10:22 AM, Todd Harbour wrote:

> Hmmmm. Right now SC4 throws an exception every time I call LM. The
> script
> essentially stops for the sake of LM. When you say that it is "more
> picky
> under OSX," what do you mean exactly. I guess I am somewhat confused.
> Is
> there anything available in the current distribution that describes on
> the
> "new" column management capabilities are implement and how I can
> implement
> them? I'm poking around the latest stuff, and so far I haven't been
> able to
> find anything. What I have seen so far is very exciting, and the next
> big
> hurdle for me is getting my tables back in order. Thanks.
>

This issue may have already been discussed; I had not seen the list
for a while.

What ever happened to the Project Browser and the Property Inspector.
I had grown to appreciate them and saved me time in SuperCard 3.x
Will they be included in this new version?  I really hate having to
pull down menus to access information on any object.
--

I made a Project Viewer which replaces the Project Browser. There is
also a Properties Inspector available in the files section of Yahoo
Groups. These are both utility Projects so drop them in the Utilities
folder inside /Library/Application Support/SuperCard/SC Pouch/RTE
Utilities/

Now they are available in the Utilities menu.


On Sunday, September 1, 2002, at 06:38 PM, Luci Rios wrote:

> This issue may have already been discussed; I had not seen the list
> for a while.
>
> What ever happened to the Project Browser and the Property Inspector.
> I had grown to appreciate them and saved me time in SuperCard 3.x
> Will they be included in this new version?  I really hate having to
> pull down menus to access information on any object.
> --
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Hi all,

To save space here, I have posted a short tutorial about sending
variables from Supercard to perl scripts. It is called SCtoPerl.sit and
can be found in the files area of Yahoo groups.

As I am relatively new to this UNIX thing, I would appreciate any
feedback from more experienced Unix users on the list about whether
there are better ways to do some of the shell things I am trying and
posting.

Ian B

John, Uli,

Thanks for the cue on using AppleScript.  It will be good exercise to work with
URL Access scripting also this way.  SAM sounds very interesting, looking
forward to it.

I haven't tried to do a lot of heavy lifting with the SuperCard betas.  I am
very impressed with how this new version is coming along and every time I've
flexed its muscles I've been very impressed.

I recently did a comparison test between "the Big Three" card-metaphor
environments.  A local author asked to glean ASCII from a .pdf file, removing
the CRs at the end of each line, and correct the extended ASCII chars for
Windows.  I first did the conversion in HyperCard, but then decided to test with
SuperCard and Revolution (MC).

Because Revolution's starter kit has a "ten statements" limit, I had to rewrite
the conversion script across more than one object.  This same set of handlers
worked in SuperCard 4.  In HyperCard, the isNumber function is changed to "is a
number".  Here were the results

HyperCard (OSX Classic) - 3.48 minutes
SuperCard (OSX Carbon) - 2.56 minutes
Revolution (OSX Carbon) - 1.85 minutes

The input file was 12,618 lines of text, each IDE product produced a 548K result
file.  Revolution showed the fastest performance; HyperCard is the slowest
performer.

  However, I believe Revolution took an unfair advantage (cheated).  While
HyperCard and SuperCard both updated their message box at each iteration of the
repeat loop, Revolution did not.  So, for sheer speed, Revolution wins;  for
accurate execution, SuperCard wins.  I'm more impressed with accurate execution.
:)

I'm really happy that much of HyperCard's legacy is being carried forward with
SuperCard.  Thanks, SC developers, all!  Yours is really an exciting product.

Yours truly

R Charles Flickinger

Here are the scripts I used in the comparison test (FWTW):

--card button "Go"--
on mouseUp
   global x, temp, newTemp, startTimer, z
   send mouseUp to cd btn "readInput"
   repeat with x = 1 to the number of lines of temp
     put line x of temp into z
     if z contains "A Trail of Shaman" or z contains "Annie Kochert" then
headerTest
     else writeLine
   end repeat
   send mouseUp to cd btn "saveFile"
end mouseUp

--card button "ReadInput"--
on mouseUp
   global temp, startTimer
   answer file "Open file to clean:" of type "TEXT"
   put it into filename
   put the seconds into startTimer
   open file filename
   read from file filename until eof
   put it into temp
   close file filename
end mouseUp

--card script--
on headerTest
   global x, newTemp, z
   put x
   if the isNumber of (word 1 of z) is true then put empty after newTemp
   else writeLine
end headerTest

--stack script--
on writeLine
   global x, newTemp, z
   put x
   if isNumber(z) and z ¾ 32 then put return & "Chapter" && z & return & tab
after newTemp
   else if last char of z is quote or last char of z is in ".?*!Š" then put z &
return & tab after newTemp
   else put z & space after newTemp
end writeLine

--card button "SaveFile"--
on mouseUp
   global newTemp, startTimer
    put (the seconds - startTimer) / 60 && "minutes"
   ask file "Save new file as:"
   put it into filename
   open  file filename
   write newTemp to file filename
   close file filename
end mouseUp

-------

Hi all

It is about a month ago that I posted the Beta6 comment and now I see it in
todays digets. How did this happend?

Michael

>The input file was 12,618 lines of text, each IDE product produced a
>548K result file.  Revolution showed the fastest performance;
>HyperCard is the slowest performer.

Hi,

   Just to be a little more fair: Could you do a quick test run in OS 9?
--
Cheers,
M. Uli Kusterer
------------------------------------------------------------
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                   http://www.zathras.de

At 7:45 AM +0200 9/2/02, Michael Kristensen wrote:
>Hi all
>
>It is about a month ago that I posted the Beta6 comment and now I see it in
>todays digets. How did this happend?

Look at the dates in the full header to see which host held on to it so long.
--

Best regards,

Scott Simon

Solutions Etcetera
SuperCard, Flamethrower, and More!

http://www.SolutionsEtcetera.com

le 2/09/02 6:29, idlewild à idlewild@... a écrit :

> However, I believe Revolution took an unfair advantage (cheated).  While
> HyperCard and SuperCard both updated their message box at each iteration of
> the repeat loop, Revolution did not.

I would be curious to know what are the performance if you remove the 'put
x' statements. This kind of statement usually slows down loops a lot.

Af few comments about your scripts

putting empty after a var is jut another way of doing nothing
In the "headerTest" handler, intead of
   if the isNumber of (word 1 of z) is true then put empty after newTemp
   else writeLine
You could do
     if not isNumber(word 1 of z) then writeLine

SC (and I guess that HC and MC do the same) evaluates a string as superior
to a number Thus, in the "writeLine" handler, you can replace
     if isNumber(z) and z ¾ 32 then ...
with
     if z ¾ 32 then ...

In the next line of the "writeLine" handler, you can replace
     if last char of z is quote or last char of z is in ".?*!Š" then  ...
with
     if last char of z is in quote&".?*!Š" then ...

If you want to put x for each turn of the loop, why not doing it in the loop
itself instead of carrying a global ?

There may be other simplifications which could eventually make it faster but
I would need to have the source file for testing.

S.
--
Stéphane Leys
http://leys.stephane.free.fr/

Help,

Is there a way to know if an aera of a bitmap is selected with the select
tool or the lasso tool ?

Thanks

Comment savoir si une zone d'un bitmap est sélectionnée avec les outils
select ou lasso ?

Jean-Marc Burnod

I have a couple of Axis cameras that I've been tring to get to work
with SC. All I want to do is get the cgi's (that output an image file)
to be viewed from inside sc. Is it possible?
heres the url of the info
still jpeg:
http://207.127.153.21/axis-cgi/image.cgi?
motion jpeg:
http://207.127.153.70/axis-cgi/mjpg/video.cgi?

I have been able to view the static image in a quicktime move but not
the motion one.

any help would be great.

Pete

Hi,

This is possibly OT, but does affect the way in which developers view the
release of software products...



At what point can a script be called a program or a product?



Take PERL or PHP as an example.

These are scripts in an open-source format (just plain text), which are
executed at runtime.

At what point can we call that script a program or even a product?!

In the same way; what point can you call an SC project a program or a
product? (Even when in standalone format; it's still scripts being executed
at runtime)

Is there a definition of what a software product is, or can be?

When I say 'ethical', it's purely on the corporate side.

As a scripter, am I developing a product or am I the _end-user_ of another
person's product?

Is it right to call a script developed with Web Objects a product, or is the
reliance upon a runtime environment indicative of it being nothing more than
an end-user's script?

I guess that as more products become web-based, we'll see the line blur even
more, but until the line between product and script has gone; I'm still in
need of help :-)

Mental chewing-gum

Regards,
Ad.

PS Thanks to those who responded to the Dock question; I've not had the time
to read all the digests, but will in the next day or so.

> Sure, Mark's got nothing but time on his hands. ;)

I mean, how hard can it be to write a zillion lines of code?
(Whilst maintaining and air of dignity and mystery)

:-)

> But seriously, while he certainly has his hands full with SC4, I'm
> thinking down the road a ways....

My wish list:

POP3
XML
Sockets (ok, links into threading)
XML
Background operation (behind the scenes, and behind the logins)
XML
SQl stuff (some way of linking to an SQL server)
ORB Server
XML
Oh, and did I mention XML?


> Threading is a tough one.  What sort of tasks would you need
> threaded?

Mwuarghhhh!

Ouch! Talk about a migrain subject.
Threading is great in concept, but painful for scripting languages and 1
dimensional systems.


> The DB support is available now: Valentina.  Mighty fine engine.

Call me evil, but unless I hear the words 'SQL' and 'big-evil-black-box'
than it ain't a database. :-)

I've got a MySQL server under the hood, SC4 and a hell of problem to
solve... I'd love to chomp the data up with SC using MySQL as the backend
dbase - but finding a way is tough.

On the other hand, I'm migrating more and more towards XML, which I think is
going to replace conventional dbases in the next 4 or 5 years.


> The other two could be handled in script (along with any other
> Internet protocols - GNUtella anyone?) if Mark added socket
> support.  That;s the type of leveraged effort that works well in a
> 4GL like SC: Mark could add a relatively small set of language
> extensions that would provide the lynchpin to open up a whole
> new world for us scripters.

Although, one could argue that the complexity and repetition of low level
functions in a scripting language defeats the entire object of scripting.

It does lead us however to the one big question:
Why doesn't Mark invent C++++ and teach it to us, Apple-style in big leather
recliners?

Regards,
Ad.

PS XML

On Monday, September 2, 2002, at 08:12  PM, Adthrawn wrote:

> I guess that as more products become web-based, we'll see the line
> blur even
> more, but until the line between product and script has gone

The line is gone. There are people selling Apple Scripts on the web
already.
As far as I can tell, if you call it software and people pay money for
it, then it is software.

Joe Koomen
joe@...

  >> Random! ...Damn near killed 'em! <<