Hi Anne and Liz: What a wonderful idea this list is! I've been fascinated by the origins of the breed for many years. One of my projects has been trying to...
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Anne Peters
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Feb 16, 1999 6:09 pm
Hi Julie! Add another alias for the Alcock Arabian: the Brownlow Turk. Just to try to clear up some of the questions, I put things in a chronological...
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Anne Peters
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Feb 16, 1999 6:13 pm
Before this list was ready to go, Karen emailed me and was wondering about which of the early sires were Arabian, and which were probably Akhal-Teke. I thought...
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Elizabeth Ross
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Feb 16, 1999 6:23 pm
Hi Julie, ... He seems also to have been known as: the Acaster Turk the Ancaster Arabian the Sutton Turk the Akaster Turk the Pelham Arabian He may also be the...
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Elizabeth Ross
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Feb 16, 1999 6:48 pm
Hi Anne, 1710 Chaunter b.c. by Akaster Turk (bred by Sir W. Strickland) 1710 True Blue gr.c. by Honywood's Arabian (Mr Williams) 1715 Flying Whigg f. by...
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Elizabeth Ross
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Feb 16, 1999 6:31 pm
Hi Anne, ... 1, more if you include the aliases, but that's not a complete search. I can email you the list, but you might just enjoy it more finding them on ...
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Elizabeth Ross
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Feb 16, 1999 2:03 pm
I guess Darcy's Yellow Turk was a dun....
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Andrea Hoogendoorn
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Feb 16, 1999 11:18 pm
Hello all!!! I was just wondering about how far back are we discussing the developement of the TB? Are we starting from the begininng(old peg, Darley Arabian)...
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Barry Allen
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Feb 17, 1999 12:40 am
Hi Liz: You asked where I got my info on the Acaster Turk, so here it is. It's taken from "The Badmiton Library of Sports and Pastimes: Racing and ...
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Donja Vaughn
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Feb 17, 1999 1:51 am
The Arabian used in the early TB development was from the Muniqui strain (which is very much like the TB having angular instead of rounded body type). The...
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Elizabeth Ross
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Feb 17, 1999 2:21 am
Hi Julie, ... covered very few mares, but nevertheless his blood comes down to our time through Cade, Molly Long Legs, Squirrel, and Thwaites Dun Mare." ...
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Elizabeth Ross
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Feb 17, 1999 2:48 am
... Is this Squirrel, bay colt, 1754 (Traveller 1735 - Grey Bloody Buttocks 1733, by Bloody Buttocks 1725)? This is the only Squirrel I have in my database,...
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Karen Kasting
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Feb 17, 1989 6:33 pm
Has anyone seen the Woodward exhibit in Baltimore? I saw it over 20 years ago at a museum. It includes many paintings of early TBs, and is of interest in how...
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Barry Allen
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Feb 17, 1999 6:01 pm
Hi Liz: The breeding you showed for Squirrel is the same that I have. I checked it out on Albin Warth's page. BUT - I found something curious in the ...
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Elizabeth Ross
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Feb 17, 1999 10:45 pm
... out on Albin Warth's page. BUT - I found something curious in the aforementioned Badmiton Library book's tabulated pedigree of Eclipse. His second dam,...
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Andrea Hoogendoorn
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Feb 17, 1999 10:16 pm
When looking at the damline of the #14 family, some interesting stallion names come up, such as Bristol Grasshopper(says he is a son of the Byerley Turk),...
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Elizabeth Ross
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Feb 18, 1999 6:37 am
... any solid proof that she is the product of a son mated to his mother. From A History of the General Stud Book, Vol 1, by Peter Willett, 1991. "Prior was...
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Anne Peters
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Feb 18, 1999 2:24 pm
There are 2 different Squirrels: (William's) Squirrel b.c. 1719 by Snake out of a mare by the Akaster Turk-mare by Pulleyne's Arabian-mare by Brimmer (family...
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Karen Kasting
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Feb 18, 1989 7:30 pm
Does anyone know of any hard science in the form of blood group percentage to compare the actual kinship of Tbs, Arabians and Akhal -Tekes?...
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Barry Allen
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Feb 18, 1999 6:22 pm
Hi Liz and Anne: So there are two different Squirrels. No wonder I was going squirrelly. This demonstrates the challenge of looking up old pedigrees, where...
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Elizabeth Ross
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Feb 19, 1999 5:29 am
... Turk-mare by Pulleyne's Arabian-mare by Brimmer (family #70) Thanks Anne. The "pre" studbook definitely has Squirrel by Son of Snake, which would make him...
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Anne Peters
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Feb 19, 1999 7:56 pm
While fighting a nasty bout with the flu, I made you all a present. I've prepared a page for Thoroughbred Heritage off the "Pedigree Goddess" home page, but...
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Elizabeth Ross
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Feb 20, 1999 4:34 pm
Hi Anne, ... prepared a page for Thoroughbred Heritage off the "Pedigree Goddess" home page, but you can get there directly this way: Wow! Thanks. Hope you're...
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Len & Dorothy Kirby
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Feb 21, 1999 3:48 am
Finally, a real interest group! I find the study of the TB endlessly fascinating and have researched several TB's I have had back to their origins. My...
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Elizabeth Ross
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Feb 21, 1999 4:38 am
Hi Dorothy, ... Lady and the other Vedette-Doralice. Could anyone tell me if there were 2 - or which one is wrong? Speculum 1865 (Vedette - Doralice) is...
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Elizabeth Ross
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Feb 21, 1999 5:40 am
*Belsize Arabian, (gr. c. 17--), was brought to Pennsylvania by way of England where he got both *Stirling (also called Starling, gr. c. 1762) and *Silver...
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SniderSan@...
Feb 21, 1999 9:54 am
In a message dated 2/20/99 4:11:51 AM Central Standard Time, our Pedigree ... And a very nice present it is, "pretty" or not. Sooo sorry to hear about the flu...
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Anne Peters
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Feb 21, 1999 5:03 pm
I also have both those Speculums, and both have progeny in my databases! The problem is that on one program, the son of Vedette has the vast majority of...
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Elizabeth Ross
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Feb 22, 1999 6:36 am
... about the early history of the Thoroughbred, but I seem to remember that Volume I of the General Stud Book went through several editions. I would be very ...
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SBMarino@...
Feb 22, 1999 11:36 am
I have a German "coffee-table" book that tells the story of the Godophin Arabian and his trip to England and what happened to him there. Of course, I have no...
