So my first mention was right..... Ok, thanks Julia. Which gives the next question, which of her parents could have had the cream gene? Any ideas someone? Bye...
There is also the case of Marlon xx in Germany. He is noted as dark bay and looks as such but in fact he has produced several Palominos in the Holstein breed...
... Unless someone can come up with a picture of one of them, we will never know. Both were registered as bay. Buckskins are registered as bay. So are bays. ...
If you trace the bottom line of Lucky Two Bits back far enough you can find at least 3 lines back to Darcy's Yellow Turk. You can go back dam to dam way back...
If you look at the salespage on that morgan link you see even more sneaky buckskins. And as they age both sooty palomino and sooty buckskin horses can get...
... registration -- there is some ... horses were the ... both bay. No dilute ... Opal Smith is not the only TB foal reg. as grey x Barney Lucus, and out of a...
I had not heard of Marlon before. he's an Irish bred horse isn't he? (which kind of blows out of the water the notion some people have that the cream gene...
Thanks Gwendolyn, that is really news for me.... Off course I have read several articles about Marlon xx and his influence on WB breeding, but I never read...
You made the same conclusion as I did. Considering that the sires have many more foals than the individual mares, they can be pretty much safely excluded as...
... Something else that I intended to mention in my previous msg., Christian also bred and for a time owned Bobbie Lowe (1909 colt x Dr. Curtis x Magnificus -...
Good day, Jamie, You are, indeed, correct. Marlon was born in 1958 in Ireland. Breeder was Mr.. H. Kerr, Esq. He was by Tamerlane and out of Maralinni (as I...
In Holstein they do not want Chestnuts so there aren't many, most are bay, brown, black bay or black. There was only one chestnut mare that was bred to Marlon...
Don't know anything about the QHs/TBs mentioned but just because a horse is registered as a color doesn't mean that it WAS that color. Odd colored sabinos,...
Marlon xx has nothing to do with the cream gene. This rumour is based on his offspring from only one mare. The mare is Diane 1967 by Hetman. She was registered...
Thanks for this list of offspring, Henk. It sounds interesting that this breeder is still breeding horses with the cream gene. Do you happen to know if his...
We hope so, he sound like a breeder with interesting bloodlines. Bye bye, Ingeborg Druid's Lodge Cattery Siamese & Balinese Oriental Short- & Longhair ...
In Marlons picture he does show the typical very light areas on the head of a very sooty buckskin. But of course without color it would be impossible to say....
I heard earlier this year that Ulbrich's Peerage database would be online again, but I've never seen any evidence of it. Anybody know anything about it? Also,...
It is hoped that "Peerage" will be online sometime this year. Still working out the bugs. Richard has been slowed by a couple of surgeries recently and is...
Dear Judy, Thank you so much for your posting. Can you please expand your comments on the MONETARY GIFT--BARNEY LUCUS link. I want to fully explore this angle....
... Hi Jorge, Monetary Gift has a fair amount of old mid- and southwestern breeding down his dam line, so it's not terribly unusual that a name more closely...
I have a Monetary Gift daughter, foaled 2001, so anything about him is of interest to me. :-) She is out of an Ole Bob Bowers daughter, who is in turn out of...
Dear Judy, Thank you so much for this very interesting list. Please don't hesitate to send me additional names of such rarities. Will certainly examine each...
Hooray for us! Some of you may be aware of Rita Nugent's efforts to get the remains of Kentucky Derby winner Sunny's Halo rescued from being bulldozed over by...
Wow, Anne, what good news. Congrats to everyone at TB Heritage and especially to Rita Nugent. If she's accepting hugs on Saturday, please give her one from me....
I'm searching for the female line of 1880 Monmouth Oaks winner NANCY, brown filly foaled 1877. Any clues? NANCY, br.f. 1877 by *Macaroon x *Dawdle, by...
Nancy 1877, by Macaroon Dawdle 1870, by Saunterer Moula 186?, by Touchstone Gabbler mare 1853, by Gabbler Snowdrop 1843, by Heron Fairy 1823, by Filho da Puta ...
