There are some interesting photos between pages 86 and 90 of this online
(digitized) edition regarding the "new" Sunset Depot in San Antonio and the
"new" train shed in Houston:
http://books.google.com/books?id=Bp2Tdo8C9MQC&pg=PA87&lpg=PA87&dq=Sunset+Central\
+railroad+Texas&source=bl&ots=Rc2p_RK2ul&sig=QpC9C8XIbDMDHkG0x9jEAGmfFBE&hl=en&e\
i=7FoLS9SIF9WztgfQi_nTAg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=3&ved=0CA4Q6AEwAjg\
K#v=onepage&q=Sunset%20Central%20railroad%20Texas&f=false

[It could probably stand a tinyurl replacement.]

The article mentions that January 31, 1903 was the formal opening of the Sunset
Depot.

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Thanks, I appreciate that, but with limited time available and not being able to
visit many websites, I handle most things simply and quickly by email, and
therefore the result of my dastardly deed of trying to send a photo attachment
by "reply".  I would have included a link to the photo on my photo page, but it
was not uploaded there either.  At any rate, the only reason for including the
photo was for the plaque information, which I hastily transcribed into the
email.  --RJ--


----- Original Message -----
From: "ke5apj" <ke5apj@...>
To: TNO@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2009 11:25:47 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: Re: [TNO] Dime Box railroad bridge?

 




IIRC, you can upload to the group web page & select the "files" section
& import photo's (By choosing files, instead of photo section, you can
automate sending the file location to the list..

< http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TNO/ >

Maybe Carl would wish to make further comment as to how that feature
works, as "not all" Yahoogroups give members the option to do so..

Howard Bingham

======================

Russell McKay wrote:
>
> I forgot I couldn't embed or attach photos to email to THIS group -- works
fine with the 1936 Chevy Owners Group on Yahoo, so I forget and try it here.
>
>
>
> Anyway, the large plaque on the bridge, which I can read in my 04-28-04 photo
says:
>
>
>
> "DEDICATION OF THE MOSES BRIDGE
>
> OCTOBER 2, 1999
>
>
>
> IN MEMORY OF ASA AND BYRON MOSES
>
> THIS BRIDGE WAS SET ACROSS RAILROAD
>
> TO ALLOW MOSES LIVESTOCK AND
>
> FARMING EQUIPMENT TO CROSS OVER THE
>
> RAILROAD TRACKS. ERECTED 1911 OR 1912"
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Russell McKay" < lokomac8@... >
> To: TNO@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2009 11:10:56 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
> Subject: Re: [TNO] Dime Box railroad bridge?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> I knew I had a picture of it somewhere:
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: powgd@...
> To: TNO@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Saturday , November 21, 2009 9:30:56 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
> Subject: Fwd: [TNO] Dime Box railroad bridge?
>
>
>
> That bridge was a roadway bridge that used to be over the Dalsa main just
north of the north siding switch. It was a local landmark that had been there
for many years. It hadn't been in use for automobiles for a long time, but had
unfortunately become a haven for mischief including throwing beer bottles and
other debris onto passing trains. It was removed in the late nineties, but
preserved by moving it to its nearby current location as a historic display.
Dime Box could use a modern replacement for the citizenry to get around the
trains that routinely have to block the only crossing in the middle of the
siding during meets, but it would be a replacement of the mischief platform,
too.
> GDP
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Russell McKay < lokomac8@... >
> To: TNO@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thu , Nov 19, 2009 8:20 am
> Subject: Re: [TNO] Dime Box railroad bridge?
>
> It was a roadway bridge -- I remember reading the plaque on it, but that was
about eight years ago and I have forgotten the details. --RJ--
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: FP45@...
> To: TNO@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday , November 19, 2009 7:53:34 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
> Subject: Re: [TNO] Dime Box railroad bridge?
>
> That may be a bridge OVER a railroad, but the bridge itself is too light to
have carried trains.
>
> JMM
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sunsetexpress < denmeg_hogan@... >
> To: TNO@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thu , Nov 19, 2009 4:12 am
> Subject: [TNO] Dime Box railroad bridge?
>
> There is supposedly a RR bridge from around Dime Box relocated to a park.
> http://www.texasescapes.com/CentralTexasTownsSouth/DimeBoxTexas/DimeBoxTx.htm
>
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A very interesting morning diversion!  Thanks!  --RJ--


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To: TNO@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 12:23:10 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: [TNO] E. H. Harriman and the Hot Wells Resort (San Antonio)

 




"In 1909, Southern Pacific railroad tycoon E. H. Harriman made an extended visit
to the Hot Wells resort to recover from ill health, and he built a side track to
the site to accommodate his private railroad cars. He did not recover and passed
away in September of that year, but the rail spur enabled rich and famous
visitors from all over the country to be delivered to the resort's doorstep.
Some, such as Sarah Bernhardt, brought their own private railroad cars."
http://www.edwardsaquifer.net/hotwells.html

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"In 1909, Southern Pacific railroad tycoon E. H. Harriman made an extended visit
to the Hot Wells resort to recover from ill health, and he built a side track to
the site to accommodate his private railroad cars. He did not recover and passed
away in September of that year, but the rail spur enabled rich and famous
visitors from all over the country to be delivered to the resort's doorstep.
Some, such as Sarah Bernhardt, brought their own private railroad cars."
http://www.edwardsaquifer.net/hotwells.html

>>>

All along the Sunset Route west of Del Rio are archaeological sites dating from
modern times back to prehistoric eras.  One of the modern sites is dubbed the
Malvado Star near Lozier Bridge.

In the words of a National Park Service ranger:

"In 1942, there was a military unit stationed at the Lozier Canyon Bridge. They
also were stationed at other bridges and strategic points along the railroad
route. The concrete star which is about 4 1/2 - 5 feet across served as the base
of their flag pole while the unit was there. I have taken volunteers out to that
ranch after securing permission to see the star and look around the area. There
is still evidence of their horseshoe pits as well as their firing range out
there."
Photos of the site are included in the T&NO Group's Photo File section. Please
take a look.

>>>

IIRC, you can upload to the group web page & select the "files" section
& import photo's (By choosing files, instead of photo section, you can
automate sending the file location to the list..

<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TNO/>

Maybe Carl would wish to make further comment as to how that feature
works, as "not all" Yahoogroups give members the option to do so..

Howard Bingham

======================

Russell McKay wrote:
>
> I forgot I couldn't embed or attach photos to email to THIS group -- works
fine with the 1936 Chevy Owners Group on Yahoo, so I forget and try it here.
>
>
>
> Anyway, the large plaque on the bridge, which I can read in my 04-28-04 photo
says:
>
>
>
> "DEDICATION OF THE MOSES BRIDGE
>
> OCTOBER 2, 1999
>
>
>
> IN MEMORY OF ASA AND BYRON MOSES
>
> THIS BRIDGE WAS SET ACROSS RAILROAD
>
> TO ALLOW MOSES LIVESTOCK AND
>
> FARMING EQUIPMENT TO CROSS OVER THE
>
> RAILROAD TRACKS.  ERECTED 1911 OR 1912"
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Russell McKay" <lokomac8@...>
> To: TNO@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2009 11:10:56 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
> Subject: Re: [TNO] Dime Box railroad bridge?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> I knew I had a picture of it somewhere:
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: powgd@...
> To: TNO@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Saturday , November 21, 2009 9:30:56 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
> Subject: Fwd: [TNO] Dime Box railroad bridge?
>
>
>
> That bridge was a roadway bridge that used to be over the Dalsa main just
north of the north siding switch. It was a local landmark that had been there
for many years. It hadn't been in use for automobiles for a long time, but had
unfortunately become a haven for mischief including throwing beer bottles and
other debris onto passing trains. It was removed in the late nineties, but
preserved by moving it to its nearby current location as a historic display.
Dime Box could use a modern replacement for the citizenry to get around the
trains that routinely have to block the only crossing in the middle of the
siding during meets, but it would be a replacement of the mischief platform,
too.
> GDP
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Russell McKay < lokomac8@... >
> To: TNO@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thu , Nov 19, 2009 8:20 am
> Subject: Re: [TNO] Dime Box railroad bridge?
>
> It was a roadway bridge -- I remember reading the plaque on it, but that was
about eight years ago and I have forgotten the details. --RJ--
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: FP45@...
> To: TNO@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday , November 19, 2009 7:53:34 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
> Subject: Re: [TNO] Dime Box railroad bridge?
>
> That may be a bridge OVER a railroad, but the bridge itself is too light to
have carried trains.
>
> JMM
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sunsetexpress < denmeg_hogan@... >
> To: TNO@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thu , Nov 19, 2009 4:12 am
> Subject: [TNO] Dime Box railroad bridge?
>
> There is supposedly a RR bridge from around Dime Box relocated to a park.
> http://www.texasescapes.com/CentralTexasTownsSouth/DimeBoxTexas/DimeBoxTx.htm
>
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I forgot I couldn't embed or attach photos to email to THIS group -- works fine
with the 1936 Chevy Owners Group on Yahoo, so I forget and try it here.



Anyway, the large plaque on the bridge, which I can read in my 04-28-04 photo
says:



"DEDICATION OF THE MOSES BRIDGE

OCTOBER 2, 1999



IN MEMORY OF ASA AND BYRON MOSES

THIS BRIDGE WAS SET ACROSS RAILROAD

TO ALLOW MOSES LIVESTOCK AND

FARMING EQUIPMENT TO CROSS OVER THE

RAILROAD TRACKS.  ERECTED 1911 OR 1912"


----- Original Message -----
From: "Russell McKay" <lokomac8@...>
To: TNO@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2009 11:10:56 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: Re: [TNO] Dime Box railroad bridge?

 






I knew I had a picture of it somewhere:

----- Original Message -----
From: powgd@...
To: TNO@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday , November 21, 2009 9:30:56 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: Fwd: [TNO] Dime Box railroad bridge?

 

That bridge was a roadway bridge that used to be over the Dalsa main just north
of the north siding switch. It was a local landmark that had been there for many
years. It hadn't been in use for automobiles for a long time, but had
unfortunately become a haven for mischief including throwing beer bottles and
other debris onto passing trains. It was removed in the late nineties, but
preserved by moving it to its nearby current location as a historic display.
Dime Box could use a modern replacement for the citizenry to get around the
trains that routinely have to block the only crossing in the middle of the
siding during meets, but it would be a replacement of the mischief platform,
too.
GDP

-----Original Message-----
From: Russell McKay < lokomac8@... >
To: TNO@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu , Nov 19, 2009 8:20 am
Subject: Re: [TNO] Dime Box railroad bridge?

It was a roadway bridge -- I remember reading the plaque on it, but that was
about eight years ago and I have forgotten the details. --RJ--

----- Original Message -----
From: FP45@...
To: TNO@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday , November 19, 2009 7:53:34 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: Re: [TNO] Dime Box railroad bridge?

That may be a bridge OVER a railroad, but the bridge itself is too light to have
carried trains.

JMM

-----Original Message-----
From: sunsetexpress < denmeg_hogan@... >
To: TNO@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu , Nov 19, 2009 4:12 am
Subject: [TNO] Dime Box railroad bridge?

There is supposedly a RR bridge from around Dime Box relocated to a park.
http://www.texasescapes.com/CentralTexasTownsSouth/DimeBoxTexas/DimeBoxTx.htm

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I knew I had a picture of it somewhere:






----- Original Message -----
From: powgd@...
To: TNO@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2009 9:30:56 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: Fwd: [TNO] Dime Box railroad bridge?

 





That bridge was a roadway bridge that used to be over the Dalsa main just north
of the north siding switch. It was a local landmark that had been there for many
years. It hadn't been in use for automobiles for a long time, but had
unfortunately become a haven for mischief including throwing beer bottles and
other debris onto passing trains. It was removed in the late nineties, but
preserved by moving it to its nearby current location as a historic display.
Dime Box could use a modern replacement for the citizenry to get around the
trains that routinely have to block the only crossing in the middle of the
siding during meets, but it would be a replacement of the mischief platform,
too.
GDP

-----Original Message-----
From: Russell McKay < lokomac8@... >
To: TNO@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu , Nov 19, 2009 8:20 am
Subject: Re: [TNO] Dime Box railroad bridge?

It was a roadway bridge -- I remember reading the plaque on it, but that was
about eight years ago and I have forgotten the details. --RJ--

----- Original Message -----
From: FP45@...
To: TNO@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday , November 19, 2009 7:53:34 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: Re: [TNO] Dime Box railroad bridge?

That may be a bridge OVER a railroad, but the bridge itself is too light to have
carried trains.

JMM

-----Original Message-----
From: sunsetexpress < denmeg_hogan@... >
To: TNO@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu , Nov 19, 2009 4:12 am
Subject: [TNO] Dime Box railroad bridge?

There is supposedly a RR bridge from around Dime Box relocated to a park.
http://www.texasescapes.com/CentralTexasTownsSouth/DimeBoxTexas/DimeBoxTx.htm

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That bridge was a roadway bridge that used to be over the Dalsa main just north
of the north siding switch. It was a local landmark that had been there for many
years. It hadn't been in use for automobiles for a long time, but had
unfortunately become a haven for mischief including throwing beer bottles and
other debris onto passing trains. It was removed in the late nineties, but
preserved by moving it to its nearby current location as a historic display.
Dime Box could use a modern replacement for the citizenry to get around the
trains that routinely have to block the only crossing in the middle of the
siding during meets, but it would be a replacement of the mischief platform,
too.
GDP


-----Original Message-----
From: Russell McKay <lokomac8@...>
To: TNO@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, Nov 19, 2009 8:20 am
Subject: Re: [TNO] Dime Box railroad bridge?






It was a roadway bridge -- I remember reading the plaque on it, but that was
about eight years ago and I have forgotten the details.  --RJ--

----- Original Message -----
From: FP45@...
To: TNO@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2009 7:53:34 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: Re: [TNO] Dime Box railroad bridge?



That may be a bridge OVER a railroad, but the bridge itself is too light to have
carried trains.

JMM

-----Original Message-----
From: sunsetexpress < denmeg_hogan@... >
To: TNO@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, Nov 19, 2009 4:12 am
Subject: [TNO] Dime Box railroad bridge?

There is supposedly a RR bridge from around Dime Box relocated to a park.
http://www.texasescapes.com/CentralTexasTownsSouth/DimeBoxTexas/DimeBoxTx.htm

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That bridge was a roadway bridge that used to be over the Dalsa main just north
of the north siding switch. It was a local landmark that had been there for many
years. It hadn't been in use for automobiles for a long time, but had
unfortunately become a haven for mischief including throwing beer bottles and
other debris onto passing trains. It was removed in the late nineties, but
preserved by moving it to its nearby current location as a historic display.
Dime Box could use a modern replacement for the citizenry to get around the
trains that routinely have to block the only crossing in the middle of the
siding during meets, but it would be a replacement of the mischief platform,
too.
GDP


-----Original Message-----
From: Russell McKay <lokomac8@...>
To: TNO@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, Nov 19, 2009 8:20 am
Subject: Re: [TNO] Dime Box railroad bridge?






It was a roadway bridge -- I remember reading the plaque on it, but that was
about eight years ago and I have forgotten the details.  --RJ--

----- Original Message -----
From: FP45@...
To: TNO@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2009 7:53:34 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: Re: [TNO] Dime Box railroad bridge?



That may be a bridge OVER a railroad, but the bridge itself is too light to have
carried trains.

JMM

-----Original Message-----
From: sunsetexpress < denmeg_hogan@... >
To: TNO@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, Nov 19, 2009 4:12 am
Subject: [TNO] Dime Box railroad bridge?

There is supposedly a RR bridge from around Dime Box relocated to a park.
http://www.texasescapes.com/CentralTexasTownsSouth/DimeBoxTexas/DimeBoxTx.htm

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Other Paige, Texas depots shots added, for what they are.  Maybe someone has
better ones . . .  --RJ--


----- Original Message -----
From: "Russell McKay" <lokomac8@...>
To: TNO@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2009 8:35:56 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: Re: [TNO] Any photos of Dime Box,Paige, Hill, or CALDWELL depots?

 




I have a newer photo of the Paige depot at:

http://drgrabowphotos.shutterfly.com/929

I also have my older photo (the one that appears in Goen's book) posted there
(among with photos of a lot of other Texas depots). I may add a couple more that
are actually photostatic images or poor quality, but that show it in a much
earlier period if anyone is interested. --RJ--



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The city, I think, sort of has the depot now and it is in a little park they
have fixed up for it.  I think they were trying to give it a go at making a
museum out of it when I checked it out about five years ago.

I have a newer photo of the Paige depot at:

http://drgrabowphotos.shutterfly.com/929

I also have my older photo (the one that appears in Goen's book) posted there
(among with photos of a lot of other Texas depots).  I may add a couple more
that are actually photostatic images or poor quality, but that show it in a much
earlier period if anyone is interested.  --RJ--

----- Original Message -----
From: "John Patterson" <bongomonkey05@...>
To: TNO@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 7:32:18 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: Re: [TNO] Any photos of Dime Box,Paige, Hill, or CALDWELL depots?

In Steve Goen's Book about the T&NO,there's a photo of the Paige Depot on
page 117.
I think it's privately owned now.



On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 11:06 AM, William J. Neill <wjneill@...
> wrote:

>
>
> On all of my road trips across the Dalsa, beginning in mid-1972, I
> never saw a depot at Dime Box.
>
> And Ray Somebody's program was broadcast on WBAP. I have a complete
> set of his "Travel Texas" books.
>
> WJN
>
>
> On Nov 18, 2009, at 10:43 AM, Dennis Hogan wrote:
> Ray Somebody had a syndicated travel show on Houston TV during the
> 70s. I thought one of his TV shows or travel guides mentioned a depot
> at Dime Box back then. It was gone in the late 80s when I looked for it.
>
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It was a roadway bridge -- I remember reading the plaque on it, but that was
about eight years ago and I have forgotten the details.  --RJ--


----- Original Message -----
From: FP45@...
To: TNO@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2009 7:53:34 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: Re: [TNO] Dime Box railroad bridge?

 




That may be a bridge OVER a railroad, but the bridge itself is too light to have
carried trains.

JMM

-----Original Message-----
From: sunsetexpress < denmeg_hogan@... >
To: TNO@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, Nov 19, 2009 4:12 am
Subject: [TNO] Dime Box railroad bridge?

There is supposedly a RR bridge from around Dime Box relocated to a park.
http://www.texasescapes.com/CentralTexasTownsSouth/DimeBoxTexas/DimeBoxTx.htm

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That may be a bridge OVER a railroad, but the bridge itself is too light to have
carried trains.


JMM



-----Original Message-----
From: sunsetexpress <denmeg_hogan@...>
To: TNO@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, Nov 19, 2009 4:12 am
Subject: [TNO] Dime Box railroad bridge?


There is supposedly a RR bridge from around Dime Box relocated to a park.
http://www.texasescapes.com/CentralTexasTownsSouth/DimeBoxTexas/DimeBoxTx.htm

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In November 1988, Amtrak's TEXAS EAGLE was detoured to Corsicana.  I happened to
be there.  Passengers bound for Dallas, Ft. Worth, Cleburne, McGregor, and
Temple were bussed on.  The OK was given to further detour the train via the
Dalsa to San Antonio.  I made the decison on the spot to board it and buy a
ticket from the conductor.
The trip was at night but I knew enough of the landmarks from daytime visits to
follow the train's progress, including the Colorado River crossing near West
Point.  Pretty neat to approach Flatonia from a different track!

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There is supposedly a RR bridge from around Dime Box relocated to a park.
http://www.texasescapes.com/CentralTexasTownsSouth/DimeBoxTexas/DimeBoxTx.htm

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The Late Ray Miller traveled all about our great state on his show.
I remember they featured Flatonia twice.
Once in'75 or'76 when they talked to the Postmaster,the late
WW'Sweet'Mueller
about a buzzard that hung out at the Post Offoice and once in 1991 when they
had just a general feature story about Flatonia.

Now it is quite possible that he might've visited Dime Box back in the'70's
just doing a general interest story about it.
A couple years back,I emailed Bob Phillips of"Texas Country Reporter"about
visiting Flatonia
and I received a generic email thanking me for my suggestion.
Anyway,Tommy Shults,you and anyone else in Flatonia need to get the ball
rolling
about getting TCR to do a feature segment about Flatonia!!!

On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 1:13 PM, Dennis Hogan <denmeg_hogan@...> wrote:

>
>
>
> Perhaps I was mistaken about the Ray Miller travel report.
>
> That would explain why I never found a depot!
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> > To: TNO@yahoogroups.com <TNO%40yahoogroups.com>
> > From: wjneill@... <wjneill%40consolidated.net>
> > Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 11:06:56 -0600
> > Subject: Re: [TNO] Any photos of Dime Box,Paige, Hill, or CALDWELL
> depots?
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> > On all of my road trips across the Dalsa, beginning in mid-1972, I
> > never saw a depot at Dime Box.
> >
> > And Ray Somebody's program was broadcast on WBAP. I have a complete
> > set of his "Travel Texas" books.
> >
> > WJN
> >
> > On Nov 18, 2009, at 10:43 AM, Dennis Hogan wrote:
> > Ray Somebody had a syndicated travel show on Houston TV during the
> > 70s. I thought one of his TV shows or travel guides mentioned a depot
> > at Dime Box back then. It was gone in the late 80s when I looked for it.
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In Steve Goen's Book about the T&NO,there's a photo of the Paige Depot on
page 117.
I think it's privately owned now.



On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 11:06 AM, William J. Neill <wjneill@...
> wrote:

>
>
> On all of my road trips across the Dalsa, beginning in mid-1972, I
> never saw a depot at Dime Box.
>
> And Ray Somebody's program was broadcast on WBAP. I have a complete
> set of his "Travel Texas" books.
>
> WJN
>
>
> On Nov 18, 2009, at 10:43 AM, Dennis Hogan wrote:
> Ray Somebody had a syndicated travel show on Houston TV during the
> 70s. I thought one of his TV shows or travel guides mentioned a depot
> at Dime Box back then. It was gone in the late 80s when I looked for it.
>
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I made my first trip as a brakeman on the Dalsa in 1965.  There was no depot at
Dime Box at that time.

--- On Wed, 11/18/09, William J. Neill <wjneill@...> wrote:

> From: William J. Neill <wjneill@...>
> Subject: Re: [TNO] Any photos of Dime Box,Paige, Hill, or CALDWELL depots?
> To: TNO@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Wednesday, November 18, 2009, 11:06 AM
> On all of my road trips across the
> Dalsa, beginning in mid-1972, I 
> never saw a depot at Dime Box.
>
> And Ray Somebody's program was broadcast on WBAP.  I
> have a complete 
> set of his "Travel Texas" books.
>
> WJN
>
> On Nov 18, 2009, at 10:43 AM, Dennis Hogan wrote:
> Ray Somebody had a syndicated travel show on Houston TV
> during the 
> 70s. I thought one of his TV shows or travel guides
> mentioned a depot 
> at Dime Box back then. It was gone in the late 80s when I
> looked for it.
>
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Perhaps I was mistaken about the Ray Miller travel report.

That would explain why I never found a depot!

> To: TNO@yahoogroups.com
> From: wjneill@...
> Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 11:06:56 -0600
> Subject: Re: [TNO] Any photos of Dime Box,Paige, Hill, or CALDWELL depots?
>
> On all of my road trips across the Dalsa, beginning in mid-1972, I
> never saw a depot at Dime Box.
>
> And Ray Somebody's program was broadcast on WBAP. I have a complete
> set of his "Travel Texas" books.
>
> WJN
>
> On Nov 18, 2009, at 10:43 AM, Dennis Hogan wrote:
> Ray Somebody had a syndicated travel show on Houston TV during the
> 70s. I thought one of his TV shows or travel guides mentioned a depot
> at Dime Box back then. It was gone in the late 80s when I looked for it.
>
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On all of my road trips across the Dalsa, beginning in mid-1972, I
never saw a depot at Dime Box.

And Ray Somebody's program was broadcast on WBAP.  I have a complete
set of his "Travel Texas" books.

WJN

On Nov 18, 2009, at 10:43 AM, Dennis Hogan wrote:
Ray Somebody had a syndicated travel show on Houston TV during the
70s. I thought one of his TV shows or travel guides mentioned a depot
at Dime Box back then. It was gone in the late 80s when I looked for it.

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Ray Miller's "Eyes of Texas"; a great program.

Brian Ehni

--- In TNO@yahoogroups.com, Dennis Hogan <denmeg_hogan@...> wrote:
>
>
> Ray Somebody had a syndicated travel show on Houston TV during the 70s.  I
thought one of his TV shows or travel guides mentioned a depot at Dime Box back
then.  It was gone in the late 80s when I looked for it.
>
> > To: TNO@yahoogroups.com
> > From: boehmer1955@...
> > Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 07:34:34 +0000
> > Subject: [TNO] Any photos of Dime Box,Paige, Hill, or CALDWELL depots?
> >
> > Just wanted to know if anyone has photos of the depots at Dime
Box,Deanville,Paige,Hills,Or Caldwell?
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Ray Somebody had a syndicated travel show on Houston TV during the 70s.  I
thought one of his TV shows or travel guides mentioned a depot at Dime Box back
then.  It was gone in the late 80s when I looked for it.

> To: TNO@yahoogroups.com
> From: boehmer1955@...
> Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 07:34:34 +0000
> Subject: [TNO] Any photos of Dime Box,Paige, Hill, or CALDWELL depots?
>
> Just wanted to know if anyone has photos of the depots at Dime
Box,Deanville,Paige,Hills,Or Caldwell?
>
>
>
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The terms the SP gave were all or nothing..

The sale was completed after the UP took over & the UP salvaged all the rail
(IIRC: most of the rail East of Texas 6 was not that old & was in pretty good
condition.). They used equipment from the NS to pull the rail up in quarter mile
lengths..

I have some 35mm film shot of the salvage operation, but nothing digitized.

They had crews with magnets picking up truckloads of tie plates, nothing was
left behind, not even ballast..  They went to the trouble to pull up track at
street crossings.. West U. Team track was the last to go, as the circus train
used the track when they performed at the Summit (Compaq Center) before the city
leased the facility to Lakeside Church..

Howard Bingham

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-----Original Message-----
>From: "Christopher A. Zurek" <zurekc@...>
>Sent: Nov 18, 2009 5:41 AM
>To: TNO@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [TNO] Bellaire Branch (was: No signals. What is that?)
>
>
>----- "ke5apj" <ke5apj@...> wrote:
>> Bellaire Branch is NO MORE..
>> Houston METRO bought the row from near Hazard Street most of the way to
>> Eagle Lake..
>
>
>How far west does Houston Metro actually own?
>
>When the deal was being negotiated Metro wanted just from Belliare Jct to
Clodine, and they told SP that the SP could run trains on the rest of it...like
that would do them any good. SP told Metro all or nothing.
>But after Metro took ownership and the rails were lifted those little Metro
ownership signs only went as far west as the little trestle in Wallis west of
the Santa Fe crossing.
>
>When the UP first petitioned to abandon service it was from Bellaire Jct to
Wallis, but about a week later the paperwork was modified to abandon service
from Bellaire Jct to MP 55 or 56...whatever the MP is for that little bridge at
Chesterville.
>
>Chris Z.
>
>
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----- "ke5apj" <ke5apj@...> wrote:
> Bellaire Branch is NO MORE..
> Houston METRO bought the row from near Hazard Street most of the way to
> Eagle Lake..


How far west does Houston Metro actually own?

When the deal was being negotiated Metro wanted just from Belliare Jct to
Clodine, and they told SP that the SP could run trains on the rest of it...like
that would do them any good. SP told Metro all or nothing.
But after Metro took ownership and the rails were lifted those little Metro
ownership signs only went as far west as the little trestle in Wallis west of
the Santa Fe crossing.

When the UP first petitioned to abandon service it was from Bellaire Jct to
Wallis, but about a week later the paperwork was modified to abandon service
from Bellaire Jct to MP 55 or 56...whatever the MP is for that little bridge at
Chesterville.

Chris Z.

Actually the track is gone all the way from Bellaire Jct to Chesterville.
Or to be a little more precise from Bellaire Jct to the bridge over the Middle
Bernard River about a quarter mile east of the east switch at Chesterville.

Chris Z.

----- "ke5apj" <ke5apj@...> wrote:
> Bellaire Branch is NO MORE..
> Houston METRO bought the row from near Hazard Street most of the way to
> Eagle Lake..
> All of the track east of the ATSF crossing to Houston was pulled up
> about 6-7 years ago, METRO sold half the row east of Texas 6 to I-610 to
> Harris County Toll Road Authority to build a toll road adjacent to
> Westpark (Former Alief Road), the remaining row supposedly is reserved
> for commuter or light-rail lines.. A light-rail line supposedly is
> panned for near Edloe to Hillcroft Transit Center, there is supposed to
> be a NEW transit center built to connect the line to the Galleria &
> eventually to near North Post Oak & I-10 at what's called the NW Transit
> Center (Just short of the MKT Eureka Yd.).
> Howard Bingham, at mp 372 of the Terminal Sub (Bellaire Blvd.)
> ---

Bellaire Branch is NO MORE..

Houston METRO bought the row from near Hazard Street most of the way to
Eagle Lake..

All of the track east of the ATSF crossing to Houston was pulled up
about 6-7 years ago, METRO sold half the row east of Texas 6 to I-610 to
Harris County Toll Road Authority to build a toll road adjacent to
Westpark (Former Alief Road), the remaining row supposedly is reserved
for commuter or light-rail lines.. A light-rail line supposedly is
panned for near Edloe to Hillcroft Transit Center, there is supposed to
be a NEW transit center built to connect the line to the Galleria &
eventually to near North Post Oak & I-10 at what's called the NW Transit
Center (Just short of the MKT Eureka Yd.).

Howard Bingham, at mp 372 of the Terminal Sub (Bellaire Blvd.)

---

Christopher A. Zurek wrote:
> Yeah, now that you mention it I remember Gwen Bailey telling me that Bob had
lost his house and was living in a stable tending horses. I think that's also
when she told me he had passed away.
> Joe Bailey, Bob and Wayne all knew each other, I think they used to get
together for lunch on occasion before Joe passed away in 1990.
>
> You are right, he did have an encyclopedic mind when it came to railroading.
That is one thing I remember about him when we were having lunch at the Texas
Grill. I just wish I could remember all the details of what he was saying :(
>
> Does anyone know why Bob refused to run trains on the Bellaire after it
reopened in June of 1982? I had stopped by the Post Office in Simonton one
afternoon and was talking to Gwen (she was postmaster) and a train went by. She
told me that Bob had stopped by the house to visit her and Joe and he said he
would not run trains on the Bellaire (the Bellaire was right along the Bailey
farm). At the time Bob was working second trick with Tuesdays and Wednesdays off
and thats when I realized there had been a pattern...generally no trains on the
Bellaire in the evenings except Tuesdays and Wednesdays.
> The second time I met Sonley was later that summer at the Bailey's house and
he, Joe and I were talking about the Bellaire Branch as a train went buy. He
made some comment then that he didn't run trains on the Bellaire but did not say
why.
>
> In September of 1982 I moved ~1200 miles away from the Wallis/Simonton area,
first to Phoenix, AZ then to St Paul, MN so I don't know what happened on the
Bellaire after that since I only went back home to visit once maybe twice a
year.
>
> Chris Z.
>
--

Through computer searching it appears Bob passed away in 2000. There
was no obituary in the Houston newspapers. His dad, Robert P. Sonley,
Sr.,
was a Railway Express Agent in Beeville and died in 1963. His mother
passed away in Beeville in 1975. Bob had no brothers or sisters.
-
I have no idea why Bob wouldn't use the Bellaire Branch, in fact I
wasn't aware of it until now. In my opinion, the Bellaire Branch was a
lost opportunity.
By 1980, the Glidden Subdivision had reached capacity, handling average
of 28 freight trains per day plus the two passenger trains via Santa Fe
daily
and tri-weekly Sunset Limited. Rob Krebs sent President Denman McNear a
request for $9,983,000 in 1980 ($26 million in today's dollars) to
rebuild the
Brazos River Bridge and upgrade the Branch for 40 MPH operation. Krebs
figured annual savings of $2,995,000 by operating trains over the
Branch and
relieving congestion on the main line between West Jct. and Eagle Lake.
Approval was granted in November 1980 and the bridge reopened in July
1982.
Unfortunately funds were not available to upgrade track from 25 MPH to
40 MPH until 1986, and there were no sidings. The idea was to operate
the
Bellaire Branch and the main line as double track, with the Branch
handling five trains per day.
-
I generally used the Branch for westward trains, including No. 1 since
there was no longer a station stop in Rosenberg. Between 1982 - 1986,
running time
between Bellaire Jct. and Eagle Lake (Tower 115) was about 2'10",
reduced to about 1'35" after track speed was raised to 40 MPH in 1986.
-
Some historical dates:
The Brazos River Bridge washed out on April 22, 1977.
The first revenue train operated after the bridge was rebuilt was Extra
6639 East (Local) on July 19, 1982.
The first revenue through train was unit rock train BMGKL (Beckmann to
Galena Park) on August 3, 1982.
-
Dave Bernstein



-----Original Message-----
From: Christopher A. Zurek <zurekc@...>
To: TNO@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, Nov 17, 2009 8:52 pm
Subject: Re: [TNO] Re: No signals. What is that?

Yeah, now that you mention it I remember Gwen Bailey telling me that
Bob had lost his house and was living in a stable tending horses. I
think that's also when she told me he had passed away.

Joe Bailey, Bob and Wayne all knew each other, I think they used to get
together for lunch on occasion before Joe passed away in 1990.

You are right, he did have an encyclopedic mind when it came to
railroading. That is one thing I remember about him when we were having
lunch at the Texas Grill. I just wish I could remember all the details
of what he was saying :(

Does anyone know why Bob refused to run trains on the Bellaire after it
reopened in June of 1982? I had stopped by the Post Office in Simonton
one afternoon and was talking to Gwen (she was postmaster) and a train
went by. She told me that Bob had stopped by the house to visit her and
Joe and he said he would not run trains on the Bellaire (the Bellaire
was right along the Bailey farm). At the time Bob was working second
trick with Tuesdays and Wednesdays off and that's when I realized there
had been a pattern...generally no trains on the Bellaire in the
evenings except Tuesdays and Wednesdays.

The second time I met Sonley was later that summer at the Bailey's
house and he, Joe and I were talking about the Bellaire Branch as a
train went buy. He made some comment then that he didn't run trains on
the Bellaire but did not say why.

In September of 1982 I moved ~1200 miles away from the Wallis/Simonton
area, first to Phoenix, AZ then to St Paul, MN so I don't know what
happened on the Bellaire after that since I only went back home to
visit once maybe twice a year.


Chris Z.

Just wanted to know if anyone has photos of the depots at Dime
Box,Deanville,Paige,Hills,Or Caldwell?

Thanks for the information. I never heard oof the SA&AP as having a diner. From
whay I read in a story in the Houston Chronicle years ago. The train to Houston
was only 4-5 cars.




________________________________
From: John Patterson <bongomonkey05@...>
To: TNO@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, November 16, 2009 7:20:21 PM
Subject: Re: [TNO] SA&AP Dinky to Houston

A lot of the old timers I knew in Flatonia talked about riding the Dinky
from Flatonia to Waco
in the 30's and 40's.
My good friend and unofficial stepfather,the Late James Michael talked about
riding a Katy local to West Point from Camp Swift(Bastrop)then catching the
southbound Dinky to Flatonia when he was underegoing Basic Training there in
WWII.
He also told me how after his discharge he went to Railroad Telegrapher
School in Houston
which led to his career with the SP.

On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 7:13 AM, <aggiebob@...> wrote:

>
>
>
> The SA&AP was operating two pairs of conventional passenger trains between
> Houston
>
> and Kenedy when it was absorbed by the SP in 1925 (SA&AP Trains 1, 2, 3 and
> 4).
>
> SP continued operating these trains as Nos. 307-308-309-310.
>
> There was no dining car service on these trains.
>
> Nos. 309-310 carried a sleeping car between Houston and Corpus Christi in
>
> connection with Nos. 313-314 at Kenedy. The sleeping cars were discontinued
>
> prior to April 1, 1928.
>
> -
>
> On June 17, 1928, Trains 309-310 were discontinued between Houston and
> Yoakum.
>
> Nos. 307-308 (Passenger) between Houston and Kenedy.
>
> Nos. 309-310 (Passenger) between Yoakum and Kenedy.
>
> These trains carried coaches only.
>
> -
>
> In 1930, Nos. 307-308- 309-310 became Motor Trains, referred to as
> "Dinkys".
>
> -
>
> On May 3, 1931, passenger train service was rearranged as follows:
>
> Nos. 307-308 (Motor) between Houston and Corpus Christi (via Kenedy)
>
> Nos. 309-310 (Motor) between Yoakum and Kenedy
>
> -
>
> On January 14, 1932, passenger train service was rearranged as follows:
>
> Nos. 307-308 (Motor) between Houston and Kenedy.
>
> Nos. 309-310 (Motor) between Yoakum and Kenedy.
>
> -
>
> On April 24, 1932, passenger train service was rearranged as follows:
>
> Nos. 307-308 (Motor) between Houston and Cuero.
>
> Nos. 309-310 (Motor) between Yoakum and Kenedy.
>
> -
>
> On May 14, 1933 Nos. 307 and 308 were discontinued and
>
> Nos. 309-310 (Motor) operated between Houston and Kenedy.
>
> Nos. 309-310 continued operation as motor trains (Dinkys) between
>
> Houston and Kenedy until discontinued March 30, 1950.
>
> Dave Bernstein
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> From: boehmer1955 &lt;boehmer1955@... <boehmer1955%40yahoo.com>&gt;
>
> To: TNO@yahoogroups.com <TNO%40yahoogroups.com>
>
> Sent: Sat, Nov 14, 2009 3:13 am
>
> Subject: [TNO] SA&AP Dinky to Houston
>
>
>
>
>
> About 25 years ago someone wrote an article in the Houston Chronicle about
> Clodine Texas and the Dinky train on the SA&AP. They said it was 5 cars. I
> don't think the SA&AP had diner cars. Was there more than just the Davey
> Crockett on the SA&AP coming to Houston daily?
>
>
> =
>
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