A few months ago, a query was made about operations around Gregory.
Herewith up-to-date information on that topic.

Bill Neill
Conroe, Texas

Begin forwarded message:

From: "Fred Babin"
Date: December 4, 2009 8:02:59 AM CST
Subject: Former SP Sinton/Gregory Line

BILL -
Quite sometime back you asked how many jobs UP was working on the
former SP Sinton/Gregory line and I was finally able to get the
info.  They are currently working 3 x 6-day jobs.  One switches local
Gregory/Ingleside industries (OxyChem, Dupont and Sherwin Alumina -
formerly Reynolds Metals); one is the Gregory/Sinton shuttle that
also does some yard work at Sinton; and one does other yard work,
blocking, etc. at Gregory.  Other known business on the line includes
inbound unit trains of limestone aggregates from San Antonio for
Martin-Mariett's facility at Gregory.  Road power stays with the rock
trains for the return empty trip. All of this suggests to me the line
continues to be a money maker.
Fred



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Here's a rarity---the depot for the SA&AP in Corpus Christi:
http://archives.cclibraries.com/cdm4/item_viewer.php?CISOROOT=/postcards&CISOPTR\
=20&CISOBOX=1&REC=16

You'll have to filter out the CC Public Library logo overlay.
There are some other railroad images in the library's archives.

I'm still searching for images of the SAP depots in Houston and Waco.
Maybe they exist.

>>>

Another photo in the Corpus Christi Public Library archives:
http://archives.cclibraries.com/cdm4/item_viewer.php?CISOROOT=/gpc&CISOPTR=6469&\
CISOBOX=1&REC=2

>>>

So where exactly was this with respect to Corpus Christi?
http://archives.cclibraries.com/cdm4/item_viewer.php?CISOROOT=/gpc&CISOPTR=9918&\
CISOBOX=1&REC=4

Did the tracks belng to SP or another area railroad?

>>>

A couple of views of this multi-use bridge including railroad tracks:
http://archives.cclibraries.com/cdm4/item_viewer.php?CISOROOT=/McGregor&CISOPTR=\
2403&CISOBOX=1&REC=20

and the other side(pedestrian side):

http://archives.cclibraries.com/cdm4/item_viewer.php?CISOROOT=/McGregor&CISOPTR=\
2402&CISOBOX=1&REC=19

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If you look on google maps, it still shows the bridge crossing the
ship channel. Follow Navigation Blvd north out of town.  The bridge
was owned by the port.  In the days of SP/MP/TM in corpus, the SP and
MP would take yearly turns switching along the port.  TexMex would
come over to the port and interchange with the port railraods in the
yard just to the north of the bridge.   When the bridge was removed 2
years ago, KCS is now forced to go around the end of theport to get
those cars and UP is charging a higher fee for trackage rights to get
the cars.

Hope this helps.

Vince Smith
Aransas Pass. Tx

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 5, 2009, at 7:34 AM, sunsetexpress <denmeg_hogan@...> wrote:

> So where exactly was this with respect to Corpus Christi?
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http://archives.cclibraries.com/cdm4/item_viewer.php?CISOROOT=/gpc&CISOPTR=9918&\
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This view and others in the archives show the path of the then new Harbor Bridge
under construction.  I think the two buildings in the middle to lower left are
the SP freight and passenger depots.  What I think is the SP passenger depot
(formerly SA&AP) has columns on the outside and a parking lot adjacent.  Looks
like they are in the swath of the bridge road.
http://archives.cclibraries.com/cdm4/item_viewer.php?CISOROOT=/gpc&CISOPTR=448&C\
ISOBOX=1&REC=14


P.S. There are also interesting photos of the USS Constitution ("Old Ironsides")
passing the Bascule Bridge in 1932 in the collection.

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Here are a variety of photographic views:

Twisted tracks after the 1919 storm (still SAP then?):
http://archives.cclibraries.com/cdm4/item_viewer.php?CISOROOT=/gpc&CISOPTR=11500\
&CISOBOX=1&REC=2
*****

Both road and railroad causeways (1930s):
http://archives.cclibraries.com/cdm4/item_viewer.php?CISOROOT=/McGregor&CISOPTR=\
2348&CISOBOX=1&REC=4

and...

http://archives.cclibraries.com/cdm4/item_viewer.php?CISOROOT=/McGregor&CISOPTR=\
2342&CISOBOX=1&REC=1

Note how the wires are rigged along the RR causeway.
*****

An aerial view of both road and RR:
http://archives.cclibraries.com/cdm4/item_viewer.php?CISOROOT=/gpc&CISOPTR=9566&\
CISOBOX=1&REC=17
*****

A RR causeway view from a lift bridge perhaps:
http://archives.cclibraries.com/cdm4/item_viewer.php?CISOROOT=/gpc&CISOPTR=9555&\
CISOBOX=1&REC=13

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What's wrong with the caption on this photo?
http://archives.cclibraries.com/cdm4/item_viewer.php?CISOROOT=/gpc&CISOPTR=6467&\
CISOBOX=1&REC=4

Winner gets a trip to Indianola next hurricane.
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I suppose you are referring to the fact that the car is a engine
tender, not a tank car.
Can you read the number board? Maybe 144?

BN

On Dec 5, 2009, at 8:47 AM, sunsetexpress wrote:

> What's wrong with the caption on this photo?

Corpus Christie library has labeled photo as tanker car when its a tender.  I am
also not comfortable with the term Southern Pacific Rail Lines. Its an awkward
term. Southern Pacific RR or Southern Pacific Lines would have been fine. Thanks
to Sunset Express for providing the link to some of these interesting photos. 
Joel

Looking at a 1943 bus route map of CC, I noticed that the SP depot was a block
or less from the MP (ex-SAU&G) depot. The SP one was a stub-end station (fomerly
SA&AP).
The SP line came into North Beach off the long Nueces Bay causeway. There was a
wye on North Beach (a few blocks from the old Breakers Hotel) and a spur off to
some tank farms nearer the harbor.
Leaving North Beach, the SP line used to cross the Bascule Bridge before
entering downtown CC.  The line split a few times to access harbor and
industrial sites before reaching the depot.

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Thanks for doing the surfing to find those great photos!!!  --RJ--


----- Original Message -----
From: "sunsetexpress" <denmeg_hogan@...>
To: TNO@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, December 5, 2009 8:31:27 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: [TNO] Nueces Bay Causeway images

 




Here are a variety of photographic views:

Twisted tracks after the 1919 storm (still SAP then?):
http://archives.cclibraries.com/cdm4/item_viewer.php?CISOROOT=/gpc&CISOPTR=11500\
&CISOBOX=1&REC=2
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Both road and railroad causeways (1930s):
http://archives.cclibraries.com/cdm4/item_viewer.php?CISOROOT=/McGregor&CISOPTR=\
2348&CISOBOX=1&REC=4

and...

http://archives.cclibraries.com/cdm4/item_viewer.php?CISOROOT=/McGregor&CISOPTR=\
2342&CISOBOX=1&REC=1

Note how the wires are rigged along the RR causeway.
*****

An aerial view of both road and RR:
http://archives.cclibraries.com/cdm4/item_viewer.php?CISOROOT=/gpc&CISOPTR=9566&\
CISOBOX=1&REC=17
*****

A RR causeway view from a lift bridge perhaps:
http://archives.cclibraries.com/cdm4/item_viewer.php?CISOROOT=/gpc&CISOPTR=9555&\
CISOBOX=1&REC=13

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This topo map might help to understand the layout of SP tracks:
http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/topo/texas/txu-pclmaps-topo-tx-corpus_christi-195\
1.jpg

I noticed the tail of the SP's wye at North Beach appears to jut out into the
bay a bit. Other maps indicate this too.

Does any remnant of the U.S. Government RR off the Tex Mex still exist?

I lived in Corpus as a toddler ('53-'54) but have no memories of the place back
then.

>>>

Speaking of Corpus Christi,  I recall a story that my father told about living
in CC.  He had a business trip one day up near Victoria or thereabouts. A rather
nasty norther blew in while he was up there coating his car in ice.  The front
followed him back nearly to the outskirts of Corpus.  When he finally made it
into Corpus where the weather was still balmy, people were staring at his
ice-coated car wondering where he had been.  They soon found out.

I have a copy of a SP Lines Bulletin that talks about the Big Ice Storm of '51. 
The worst of the icy effects were in South Texas---sorta like the recent snow
that missed North Texas.  The article talks about the disruptive impact the
storm had on the T&NO.

My guess is that is the same storm my father witnessed.  Same time frame.

>>>

sunsetexpress wrote:
> Here's a rarity---the depot for the SA&AP in Corpus Christi:
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http://archives.cclibraries.com/cdm4/item_viewer.php?CISOROOT=/postcards&CISOPTR\
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That's a mighty attractive and impressive depot.

KWH

sunsetexpress wrote:
> What's wrong with the caption on this photo?
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http://archives.cclibraries.com/cdm4/item_viewer.php?CISOROOT=/gpc&CISOPTR=6467&\
CISOBOX=1&REC=4
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Now, now, show them some tender mercy.

KWH

Sunset Station:  The Art of Restoration
(part of an article copied from the San Antonio Business Journal,
Thursday, October 2, 1997)

"A team of some of San Antonio's finest craftsmen has been assembled to assure
that he Sunset Station is restored to its former glory with as much expertise
and authenticity as possible . . .

Art-glass expert Adrian Cavallini, president of the Cavallini Company founded by
his father in 1953, took on the daunting task of recreating a 16-foot-diameter
stained-glass window removed from the north end of the depot at an undetermined
time in the past and carried away.  Rumor has it that the north window was
removed at some unknown time by a Southern Pacific CEO, who took it to his home
in California.  The rumor continues that he willed the window to his sister, who
was a nun, that upon his death, she had it crated and shipped somewhere in the
Northwestern United States, where it sits in a warehouse to this day.

To get an accurate picture of the missing window, which featured the SP emblem,
Cavallini spent relentless hours of research.  He finally got a magazine from
the SP office in San Francisco with illustrations of the company emblem designs
in use between 1892 and 1915."

If there is any truth to the rumor, I'm fingering Angus D. McDonald, pre-war CEO
of Southern Pacific and Notre Dame grad. Sounds like he might have a sister who
was a nun.
I'd also suspect Ben Biaggini but I think the window was long gone when he got
to the top?
Oh well, just a rumor!
By the way, who got the tall cactus that used to be in the Sunset Station garden
area??  I'm a stickler for answers.

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What's wrong?  The most obvious seems to be mis-identification of the tender as
being a "car" on the railroad.

...and I offer my winnings to anyone else who just must see a hurricane up close
and personal. <grins>
Appreciatively,
Dick

F. Richard Burt
Brazos Valley Railways
...through the Heart of Texas


http://mysite.verizon.net/BrazosValley


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----- Original Message -----
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----- Original Message -----
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   To: TNO@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 10:11 AM
   Subject: Re: [TNO] Tender Mercy



   What's wrong? The most obvious seems to be mis-identification of the tender as
being a "car" on the railroad.

   ...and I offer my winnings to anyone else who just must see a hurricane up
close and personal. <grins>
   Appreciatively,
   Dick

   F. Richard Burt
   Brazos Valley Railways
   ...through the Heart of Texas


   http://mysite.verizon.net/BrazosValley


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Grover,

Could you let the rest of us in on the awesome photos? There does not seem to be
a prior message on this in the group file and nothing of substance with your
message.

Thanks,

John Stokes
Bellevue, WA

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Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 4:43 PM

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I will try again... have to forward the original and paste the group
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I had trouble getting more than one photo to attach. You might have to
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     Sorry,

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problem.  You'll have to email them directly to those who want to see them (like
me!), or go through the process of uploading them to the TNO group.  --RJ--

----- Original Message -----
From: "Grover Dixon" <gdixon002@...>
To: TNO@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, December 7, 2009 1:04:09 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: Re: [TNO] Fw: Old rail inspection car photos

     I had trouble getting more than one photo to attach. You might have to
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     Sorry,

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Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 11:23 AM
Subject: RE: [TNO] Fw: Old rail inspection car photos


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Caption writer evidently doesn't know the difference between a "tanker car"
& a tender..!

Typaical from NON-railfan types..!

Howard Bingham

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Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2009 8:47 AM
Subject: [TNO] Tender Mercy


> What's wrong with the caption on this photo?
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Please up load to the photo section so all of us can see them.

Cyril Durrenberger

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Subject: Re: [TNO] Fw: Old rail inspection car photos
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       Yes, Grover, Yahoo strips the attachments from the message.  I've had the
same problem.  You'll have to email them directly to those who want to see them
(like me!), or go through the process of uploading them to the TNO group. 
--RJ--



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To: TNO@yahoogroups. com

Sent: Monday, December 7, 2009 1:04:09 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central

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> Bellevue, WA

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I agree, it sure looks like 144.

--- In TNO@yahoogroups.com, Bill Nash <bill_nash@...> wrote:
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> I suppose you are referring to the fact that the car is a engine
> tender, not a tank car.
> Can you read the number board? Maybe 144?
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The spur to the Naval Air Station was pulled up probably about a decade ago. It
now ends around where the road to Petronila crosses it. KCS uses to store grain
cars and it serves a large grain elevator just across Texas 44 from the yard.

--- In TNO@yahoogroups.com, "sunsetexpress" <denmeg_hogan@...> wrote:
>
> This topo map might help to understand the layout of SP tracks:
>
http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/topo/texas/txu-pclmaps-topo-tx-corpus_christi-195\
1.jpg
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> I noticed the tail of the SP's wye at North Beach appears to jut out into the
bay a bit. Other maps indicate this too.
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Has anyone done searches on highway crossing accidents before 1938?
   One of my great uncles was involved in a fatal crossing accident,
1937 or earlier, between Houston and Echo, and I would like to read about it.
   Dispatcher George T. MacMahon of the Houston division , was respondsible for a
head on meet, though I never heard if anyone was injured. He was exonarated,
because it was during World War II and the traffic was so heavy. I would like to
read about that as he was a very close family friend.
   I never asked my father what time period he was referring to,but he
said , there was a train that left Englewood every 15 minutes. He only worked
from 1917 to 1929, but he stayed friends with dispatchers like
G.T. MacMahon and Cliff bourgeois, so it might have been during WWII.
   Michael Lowe