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Re: Luminoso -- applying concept nets to auto-classification


--- In TaxoCoP@yahoogroups.com, Fran Alexander <franalexander32@...> wrote:
> The Lumino.so project looks very interesting, but I couldn't figure
> out how their approach differs from using ontologies, which they say
> are brittle, complex, go out of date, and are prescriptive.
>
> It looked to me like they use one big general language ontology -
> their ConceptNet. Do you know what makes ConceptNet different from
> other ontologies?

Fran et al.,

I didn't want to put words in their mouths, so I asked, and I got this reply
from the Media Lab's Catherine Havasi, who co-founded the company:

"The key point is the difference between specific and general ontologies -- a
topic area ontology suffers from the brittleness and maintainability problems
and may also need to be built in the first place. For instance, computer and
technology terms evolve rapidly over time and a standard ontological approach
requires human updating. ConceptNet focuses on learning general human knowledge
which doesn't change very quickly, permitting Luminoso to learn new language by
seeing it used, essentially constructing a domain-specific framework from domain
text without human intervention."

If this still sounds interesting but unclear or unconvincing, then I would
advise talking to them. I can give you contact information if you want, I know
Catherine and one of the other partners from the time I was working 5 minutes
away from the Media Lab and went over there every chance I got (that was in
2004-2007).

Claude Baudoin




Tue Feb 14, 2012 4:39 am

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Thought it was time to de-lurk and ask a question or two.  This is a great group, and I'm already learning a lot from reading the posts.  I don't have a...
C. Robertson
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Jan 20, 2012
5:38 pm

... Rob: What kind of items are you tagging? Images, Video, ebooks, text, or other media? Are you looking for applications that can embed or bind the ...
David Riecks
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Jan 20, 2012
8:03 pm

Thanks for this info. I am hoping to read free form text and then establish appropriate tags based on a controlled vocabulary....
crobertsonuno Offline Send Email Jan 25, 2012
7:03 pm

... Rob: It's still not very clear "what" you are tagging, and within what type of environment. From your comment above, can I assume that I'm correct in...
David Riecks
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Jan 25, 2012
8:15 pm

... There are a number of auto-indexing tools out there, but they're typically not free. In addition to the well-known names (Data Harmony's MAI, Concept...
Claude
crbaudoin Offline Send Email
Jan 29, 2012
12:59 am

Thanks, Claude.  Interesting approach.  Will definitely check it out along with all the other info received here.  Thanks, again, David for the image...
C. Robertson
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Jan 29, 2012
10:25 pm

The Lumino.so project looks very interesting, but I couldn't figure out how their approach differs from using ontologies, which they say are brittle, complex,...
Fran Alexander
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Jan 29, 2012
10:50 am

Fran, Thanks for the question. I don't think I have an authoritative answer, but I've told them about your remark and I expect them to send me something in...
Claude
crbaudoin Offline Send Email
Jan 29, 2012
10:08 pm

Thanks Claude. It will be interesting to hear what they say. I have been joking about needing an ontology of everything but having to get someone else to build...
Fran Alexander
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Feb 3, 2012
7:33 am

... Fran et al., I didn't want to put words in their mouths, so I asked, and I got this reply from the Media Lab's Catherine Havasi, who co-founded the...
Claude
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Feb 14, 2012
4:39 am

Hi Rob; I'm not sure if this is what you are looking for (and I would be interested in seeing your start up needs) but have a look at concordance...
John O'Gorman
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Jan 22, 2012
2:14 am
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