Aydin

Depends on how much damage the train sustained - a lot of it looked cosmetic, -
but it needs and new nose cone and if the intercar area is bent it could be
expensive and time consuming, also the electrification pole may have inflicted
some severe damage by bending some members.

For sure it should be lifted of its wheels and carefully examined and measured
before deciding.

Malcolm

> To: Turk-Rail@yahoogroups.com
> From: aydin.ozkaya@...
> Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2009 15:07:08 +0200
> Subject: RE: [Turk-Rail] Ankara-Eskiºehir High Speed Train Derailled!
>
> After seeing  the photos, do you think that "minor repairs" would be
> sufficient to put this train into service again?
>
> Aydin OZKAYA
>
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After seeing  the photos, do you think that "minor repairs" would be
sufficient to put this train into service again?

Aydin OZKAYA

Hi

Thanks for the link.

Malcolm

To: turk-rail@yahoogroups.com; Turk-Rail@yahoogroups.com
From: ktuzunalp@...
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 11:10:16 -0800
Subject: RE: [Turk-Rail] Ankara-Eskiºehir High Speed Train Derailled!




























       Try the following link and navigate pics from 1 through
7:http://fotogaleri.hurriyet.com.tr/GaleriDetay.aspx?cid=28381&p=7&rid=2

Kamil

--- On Fri, 11/13/09, malcolm peakman <mopeakman@...> wrote:



From: malcolm peakman <mopeakman@...>

Subject: RE: [Turk-Rail] Ankara-Eskiºehir High Speed Train Derailled!

To: turk-rail@yahoogroups.com

Date: Friday, November 13, 2009, 8:54 PM



Aydin



Thanks for that - the BBC report was fairly typical for them - lots of mention
of deaths at grade crossings - as though they were "railway accidents"



Thanks for the information



Malcolm



> To: Turk-Rail@yahoogroups.com

> From: aydin.ozkaya@...

> Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 20:43:06 +0200

> Subject: RE: [Turk-Rail] Ankara-Eskiºehir High Speed Train Derailled!

>

> Dear Malcolm,

>

> You are right it was at the finish of the line, that is 10 km before

> Eskisehir; where high speed rails terminate and passes to low speed rails,

> at the switch track.

>

> I found the BBC link for you:

> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8358800.stm

>

> Surprisingly, the press does not have details of the accident.

>

> I think what will be spoken in the coming days, will be Minister's (Binali

> Yıldırım-M.of Transport) speech, announcing the accident "nothing serious".

> The same minister was critised heavily after "speeded-train"s Pamukova

> accident, where 37 people died.

>

> Rgds.

>

> Aydin

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> -----Original Message-----

> From: Turk-Rail@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Turk-Rail@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf

> Of malcolm peakman

> Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 8:06 PM

> To: turk-rail@yahoogroups.com

> Subject: RE: [Turk-Rail] Ankara-Eskiºehir High Speed Train Derailled!

>

>

> Aydyn

>

> How terrible - the first link didn't seem to work but from the Video it

> looks like it was at a junction - perhaps the start or finish of the high

> speed line?  The title of the first link would seem to imply it was at

> Eskisehir?

>

> Do you know where it happened?

>

> At least no casualties reported, but it will be a strong blow to TCDD's High

> Speed aspirations.

>

> Malcolm

>

> > To: Turk-Rail@yahoogroups.com

> > From: aydin.ozkaya@...

> > Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 16:31:03 +0200

> > Subject: [Turk-Rail] Ankara-Eskiºehir High Speed Train Derailled!

> >

> > The High Speed Train (YHT) which departed at 11:00 from Ankara has

> > derailled. No casualties reported.

> >

> > News links:

> > http://www.cnnturk.com/2009/turkiye/11/13/eskisehirde.hizli.tren.kazas

> > i/5515

> > 28.0/index.html

> > http://video.mynet.com/habervideo/Hizli-tren-raydan-cikti/406137/

> > http://www.ntvmsnbc.com.tr/id/25020858/

> >

> > Aydın ÖZKAYA

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

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TCDD has put an announcement on the web page, informing,
- the cancellation of today's departures,
- continuation of rest of the departures.

http://www.tcdd.gov.tr/

Aydin

Try the following link and navigate pics from 1 through
7:http://fotogaleri.hurriyet.com.tr/GaleriDetay.aspx?cid=28381&p=7&rid=2
Kamil
--- On Fri, 11/13/09, malcolm peakman <mopeakman@...> wrote:

From: malcolm peakman <mopeakman@...>
Subject: RE: [Turk-Rail] Ankara-Eskiºehir High Speed Train Derailled!
To: turk-rail@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, November 13, 2009, 8:54 PM


Aydin

Thanks for that - the BBC report was fairly typical for them - lots of mention
of deaths at grade crossings - as though they were "railway accidents" 

Thanks for the information

Malcolm

> To: Turk-Rail@yahoogroups.com
> From: aydin.ozkaya@...
> Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 20:43:06 +0200
> Subject: RE: [Turk-Rail] Ankara-Eskiºehir High Speed Train Derailled!
>
> Dear Malcolm,
>
> You are right it was at the finish of the line, that is 10 km before
> Eskisehir; where high speed rails terminate and passes to low speed rails,
> at the switch track.
>
> I found the BBC link for you:
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8358800.stm
>
> Surprisingly, the press does not have details of the accident.
>
> I think what will be spoken in the coming days, will be Minister's (Binali
> Yıldırım-M.of Transport) speech, announcing the accident "nothing serious".
> The same minister was critised heavily after "speeded-train"s Pamukova
> accident, where 37 people died.
>
> Rgds.
>
> Aydin
>
>
>       
>
>
>   
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Turk-Rail@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Turk-Rail@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
> Of malcolm peakman
> Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 8:06 PM
> To: turk-rail@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [Turk-Rail] Ankara-Eskiºehir High Speed Train Derailled!
>
>
> Aydyn
>
> How terrible - the first link didn't seem to work but from the Video it
> looks like it was at a junction - perhaps the start or finish of the high
> speed line?  The title of the first link would seem to imply it was at
> Eskisehir?
>
> Do you know where it happened?
>
> At least no casualties reported, but it will be a strong blow to TCDD's High
> Speed aspirations.
>
> Malcolm
>
> > To: Turk-Rail@yahoogroups.com
> > From: aydin.ozkaya@...
> > Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 16:31:03 +0200
> > Subject: [Turk-Rail] Ankara-Eskiºehir High Speed Train Derailled!
> >
> > The High Speed Train (YHT) which departed at 11:00 from Ankara has
> > derailled. No casualties reported.
> >
> > News links:
> > http://www.cnnturk.com/2009/turkiye/11/13/eskisehirde.hizli.tren.kazas
> > i/5515
> > 28.0/index.html
> > http://video.mynet.com/habervideo/Hizli-tren-raydan-cikti/406137/
> > http://www.ntvmsnbc.com.tr/id/25020858/
> >
> > Aydın ÖZKAYA
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
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Aydin

Thanks for that - the BBC report was fairly typical for them - lots of mention
of deaths at grade crossings - as though they were "railway accidents"

Thanks for the information

Malcolm

> To: Turk-Rail@yahoogroups.com
> From: aydin.ozkaya@...
> Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 20:43:06 +0200
> Subject: RE: [Turk-Rail] Ankara-Eskiºehir High Speed Train Derailled!
>
> Dear Malcolm,
>
> You are right it was at the finish of the line, that is 10 km before
> Eskisehir; where high speed rails terminate and passes to low speed rails,
> at the switch track.
>
> I found the BBC link for you:
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8358800.stm
>
> Surprisingly, the press does not have details of the accident.
>
> I think what will be spoken in the coming days, will be Minister's (Binali
> Yıldırım-M.of Transport) speech, announcing the accident "nothing serious".
> The same minister was critised heavily after "speeded-train"s Pamukova
> accident, where 37 people died.
>
> Rgds.
>
> Aydin
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Turk-Rail@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Turk-Rail@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
> Of malcolm peakman
> Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 8:06 PM
> To: turk-rail@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [Turk-Rail] Ankara-Eskiºehir High Speed Train Derailled!
>
>
> Aydyn
>
> How terrible - the first link didn't seem to work but from the Video it
> looks like it was at a junction - perhaps the start or finish of the high
> speed line?  The title of the first link would seem to imply it was at
> Eskisehir?
>
> Do you know where it happened?
>
> At least no casualties reported, but it will be a strong blow to TCDD's High
> Speed aspirations.
>
> Malcolm
>
> > To: Turk-Rail@yahoogroups.com
> > From: aydin.ozkaya@...
> > Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 16:31:03 +0200
> > Subject: [Turk-Rail] Ankara-Eskiºehir High Speed Train Derailled!
> >
> > The High Speed Train (YHT) which departed at 11:00 from Ankara has
> > derailled. No casualties reported.
> >
> > News links:
> > http://www.cnnturk.com/2009/turkiye/11/13/eskisehirde.hizli.tren.kazas
> > i/5515
> > 28.0/index.html
> > http://video.mynet.com/habervideo/Hizli-tren-raydan-cikti/406137/
> > http://www.ntvmsnbc.com.tr/id/25020858/
> >
> > Aydın ÖZKAYA
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
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>
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Hi

Thanks for that - though of course the link had broken again.

I see that it was indeed Hasanbey.

Malcolm

> To: Turk-Rail@yahoogroups.com
> From: pwormald@...
> Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 18:09:30 +0000
> Subject: RE: [Turk-Rail] Ankara-Eskiºehir High Speed Train Derailled!
>
> > How terrible - the first link didn't seem to work
>
>
> Long links simply break up on Yahoo group postings, just join it back
> together. Simple :)
>
> http://www.cnnturk.com/2009/turkiye/11/13/eskisehirde.hizli.tren.kazasi/5515
> 28.0/index.html
>
>
>
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Dear Malcolm,

You are right it was at the finish of the line, that is 10 km before
Eskisehir; where high speed rails terminate and passes to low speed rails,
at the switch track.

I found the BBC link for you:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8358800.stm

Surprisingly, the press does not have details of the accident.

I think what will be spoken in the coming days, will be Minister's (Binali
Yıldırım-M.of Transport) speech, announcing the accident "nothing serious".
The same minister was critised heavily after "speeded-train"s Pamukova
accident, where 37 people died.

Rgds.

Aydin







-----Original Message-----
From: Turk-Rail@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Turk-Rail@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of malcolm peakman
Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 8:06 PM
To: turk-rail@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Turk-Rail] Ankara-Eskiºehir High Speed Train Derailled!


Aydyn

How terrible - the first link didn't seem to work but from the Video it
looks like it was at a junction - perhaps the start or finish of the high
speed line?  The title of the first link would seem to imply it was at
Eskisehir?

Do you know where it happened?

At least no casualties reported, but it will be a strong blow to TCDD's High
Speed aspirations.

Malcolm

> To: Turk-Rail@yahoogroups.com
> From: aydin.ozkaya@...
> Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 16:31:03 +0200
> Subject: [Turk-Rail] Ankara-Eskiºehir High Speed Train Derailled!
>
> The High Speed Train (YHT) which departed at 11:00 from Ankara has
> derailled. No casualties reported.
>
> News links:
> http://www.cnnturk.com/2009/turkiye/11/13/eskisehirde.hizli.tren.kazas
> i/5515
> 28.0/index.html
> http://video.mynet.com/habervideo/Hizli-tren-raydan-cikti/406137/
> http://www.ntvmsnbc.com.tr/id/25020858/
>
> Aydın ÖZKAYA
>
>
>

> How terrible - the first link didn't seem to work


Long links simply break up on Yahoo group postings, just join it back
together. Simple :)

http://www.cnnturk.com/2009/turkiye/11/13/eskisehirde.hizli.tren.kazasi/5515
28.0/index.html

Aydyn

How terrible - the first link didn't seem to work but from the Video it looks
like it was at a junction - perhaps the start or finish of the high speed line? 
The title of the first link would seem to imply it was at Eskisehir?

Do you know where it happened?

At least no casualties reported, but it will be a strong blow to TCDD's High
Speed aspirations.

Malcolm

> To: Turk-Rail@yahoogroups.com
> From: aydin.ozkaya@...
> Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 16:31:03 +0200
> Subject: [Turk-Rail] Ankara-Eskiºehir High Speed Train Derailled!
>
> The High Speed Train (YHT) which departed at 11:00 from Ankara has
> derailled. No casualties reported.
>
> News links:
> http://www.cnnturk.com/2009/turkiye/11/13/eskisehirde.hizli.tren.kazasi/5515
> 28.0/index.html
> http://video.mynet.com/habervideo/Hizli-tren-raydan-cikti/406137/
> http://www.ntvmsnbc.com.tr/id/25020858/
>
> Aydın ÖZKAYA
>
>
>
>
>
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>
>
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The High Speed Train (YHT) which departed at 11:00 from Ankara has
derailled. No casualties reported.

News links:
http://www.cnnturk.com/2009/turkiye/11/13/eskisehirde.hizli.tren.kazasi/5515
28.0/index.html
http://video.mynet.com/habervideo/Hizli-tren-raydan-cikti/406137/
http://www.ntvmsnbc.com.tr/id/25020858/

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Hello, I've seen that the recently started new train service from Mersin/Adana
to Aleppo isn't on the TCDD-website anymore. Has this train been suspended after
this short amount of time? Any informations about that?

Many thanks for your answers, Hektor

I thought it was something like that. Thanks for the info!!!!

Denizcan




________________________________
From: ateshci <ateshci@...>
To: Turk-Rail@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, October 1, 2009 10:38:24 AM
Subject: [Turk-Rail] Re: Izmir Metro


--- In Turk-Rail@yahoogrou ps.com, Denizcan Dorsam <dorsambjk@. ..> wrote:
> the railroad around Izmir? When will it open?
Kimse bilmez..
Rumours have it that when the road works are completed for the motorway, the
remaining part between Ulukent and Hilal will be due.
Let's see...
Cheers, H.







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Hello,

Can someone tell me if any of the two steam locos that were taken into the
workshops for retoration to be used on the narrow gauge railway at the Rahmi M.
Koç Museum in Istanbul have been put into service yet?

They are:
0-4-0T N°. 4 (Henschel 15943/1918, ex Eskisehir Air Base);
0-6-0T N°. 12 (O&K 12212/1930, ex Ayancik Forestry Rly.).

A photo of the two in the workshops can be seen at:
http://www.rmk-museum.org.tr/english/workshop/index.html

Regards,
Thomas Kautzor.

--- In Turk-Rail@yahoogroups.com, Denizcan Dorsam <dorsambjk@...> wrote:
> the railroad around Izmir? When will it open?
Kimse bilmez..
Rumours have it that when the road works are completed for the motorway, the
remaining part between Ulukent and Hilal will be due.
Let's see...
Cheers, H.

Hi everyone,

I was wondering if anyone new what is going on with the railroad around Izmir?
When will it open? I would really appreciate it.

Thanks,
Denizcan Dorsam





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--- In Turk-Rail@yahoogroups.com, Brian Dunn <briandunn53@...> wrote:
> To draw a long string from Turkey, on the basis of the Ottoman Empire and
Egypt, I was in Luxor earlier this week and could not help but notice the sugar
cane tramways on the west bank of the Nile. My obliging taxi driver said that
they were used one month or so a year. Does anyone know any more? A long shot, I
know.

Hello,

This is the translation from a recent article in Eisenbahn-Kurier magazine on
the the subject which I posted on the CRJ forum:

"As promised earlier, here is an English summary of the article by Rüdiger Fach
which appeared in "Eisenbahn-Kurier" 04/2009 on the Egyptian sugar plantation
railways. This was based on a short tour by a group of railfans in late January.

Sugarcane in Egypt:
Sugarcane is the most widespread crop on both sides of the Nile in southern
Egypt, while sugar beets and cotton are the dominant crops in the north.
Sugarcane is used in the production of sugar and industrial alcohol, as well as
for side products such as straw for animal feed, paper, etc…

The six factories known to have railways are Nag Hammadi, Deshna, Qos (north of
Luxor), Armat, Edfu and Kom Ombo (south of Luxor). All of the railways have 600
mm gauge.

To visit the factories, an authorization is required from the police as well as
from the central headquarters of the national sugar factories authority in
Cairo. For security reasons, visits by tourists require a police escort. Line
side photography on the other hand is limited by the large extension of the
railway network (Kom Ombo alone has a rail network of around 480 km), especially
given the fact that the mobility of tourists outside of the towns is often
limited to the tourist sites. The numerous police barriers along the roads
enforce this. The obligation for tourists to travel in police-escorted convoys
has only been lifted a short time ago.

The Railway Operations:
Bogie cane wagons (built 1890-2008) are dropped off at the various loading
stations along the lines during the night and picked up full in the afternoons.
Trains of around 30 wagons are brought into the yards of the factories at
sunset, where the sugarcane is weighed and processed. The finished product is
taken away by road. Sugarcane is also brought to the factories by road, river or
Egyptian Railways.

German and Austrian loco works alone have supplied the Egyptian sugar industry
with more than 500 locomotives since 1898. Presently there are about 150 diesel
locomotives, including 1/3 built by German/Austrian factories Schöma, Diema and
Jenbacher Werke. The German locos are esteemed as being high quality, but too
expensive.

Present motive power consists of the following types:

The standard type in use on line-work is the Romanian L26H from Faur/U23A
(0-6-0DH, 260 hp, 15-20 tonnes). The frames and transmission were built in
Romania, with final assembly taking place at the Hawadia steel works in Egypt,
using Scania/Volvo engines.

Heavier and more powerful, a few L30H (0-4-0DH, 300 hp) remain in use. Also in
line-work are some six-wheel locos from Kyosan Kogyo and from Diema and Schöma
(180/200 hp), some with center-cabs.

Locos used for shunting the factory yards include the Romanian type L15H,
smaller Schömas and Diemas, and some Japanese locos, all four-wheeled. A few
older 100 and 200 hp-strong locos from Jenbacher Werke (types JW100 and JW200)
could also be found on shunting duties. A single specimen of the East German LKM
type V10C was found in use at Qos (N°. 100/9, LKM 250639/1972), one of 80 units
delivered to Egypt 1957-72.

The hopes and rumours of remaining steam locomotives could not be confirmed. The
last ones were set aside in the late 1960s and all appear to have been scrapped.

The author is planning to organize another trip in January 2010 and can be
contacted at ffmev @ feldbahn-ffm.de."

Regards,
Thomas Kautzor.

During 1996 there were plans for Hydarpasa to become a hotel with no rail
connection at all. It is probable from questions being asked here that these
have changed.

To draw a long string from Turkey, on the basis of the Ottoman Empire and Egypt,
I was in Luxor earlier this week and could not help but notice the sugar cane
tramways on the west bank of the Nile. My obliging taxi driver said that they
were used one month or so a year. Does anyone know any more? A long shot, I
know.

Cheers

Brian

--- On Tue, 8/9/09, ateshci <ateshci@...> wrote:

From: ateshci <ateshci@...>
Subject: [Turk-Rail] Re: Some more questions
To: Turk-Rail@yahoogroups.com
Received: Tuesday, 8 September, 2009, 11:29 PM






 





                   --- In Turk-Rail@yahoogrou ps.com, malcolm peakman
<mopeakman@. ..> wrote:



> 3 Does anyone know what the plans are for Sirkeci and Hydarpasa once the
tunnel is open?



Well,the replies so far are quite opposite to what I heard from some TCDD
officials ( but a as usual, things may change rapidly..)

I was told that the staion tracks will be curtailed to serve the banliyö only-
which makes sense with respect to the plans for Istanbul suburban transport.

I'll see what I'll be told during my next stay in december :-)

Cheers,

H.





























      
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Jean-Patrick
Certainly here in Canada locos are MU'd or even remotely controlled in the
middle/rear of the train with just one crew.
I havn't seen any mu equipment on a 24 for a long time.
Re roads Mersin of course has 2 good roads, but with a train every hour or less
(20 mins at peak period) doing the run in 45 min to 1 hour the attraction of the
train is obvious.
Malcolm

To: Turk-Rail@yahoogroups.com
From: demiryolu@...
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 12:05:26 -0700
Subject: RE: [Turk-Rail] Some Updates and Questions





















                   Hi Malcom



I remember seeing in USA (and elsewhere) locos working in MUs with crews in
several locos, some with obviously nothing to do. This was quite a while ago and
I understood back then that drivers union agreements required this. We know also
that many DE24000 lost their MUs equipment. Retrofitting such equipment is
usally possible, better & modern electronics could be used.



I can think of at least two other reasons to double the DE24000:

- I am under the impression that some units have been derated and now operates
at a lower power.

- DE24000 reliability might not be that great anymore and having two may give
some security, at the cost of having a doubled failure probability.



The situation you are describing about Mersin / Adana / Iskenderun is not new.
It goes back ages. You failed to mention that the road Adana Iskenderun which
was always very good has been replaced by an even better highway.



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To: <turk-rail@yahoogroups.com>

Subject: RE: [Turk-Rail] Some Updates and Questions

Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 15:42:48 +0000



Jean-Patrick

It would make sense to MU them, but right now they operate with 2 crews.

I get the impression that the earlier ones are being withdrawn, I noted from
another website that some DE11000's and DH7000's were already withdrawn, (I know
that they had huge problems with the early electronics on the DE11000's), so
probably the DE33000's are seen as freight replacements for the DE24000's - and
as the accountancy justification is "replace" then the 24's get the chop, rather
than the lateral thinking of how can we use this resource to our advantage.

Meanwhile the 24's struggle on the hills, after all a schedule of 17 hours for
1120 km is only 66km/hr - hardly high speed (the Adana metro is 41kph average
speed!) An increase to say 80kph average would generate an average of 14 hours
and 100 gives 11.2 hours so improving the slower speed sections would give a big
reduction in journey times - always an attraction to the punters, but of course
it is important to keep time, otherwise the whole railway suffers.

For instance looking at the service pattern offered from Adana it is clear that
the good service to Mersin offers improved patronage, while eastwards the
service is so meagre that most trains are pretty empty, it is impossible to make
a day trip to Iskenderun for instance, indeed the only option for day travel is
the daily Elazig train. Result plenty of buses!

Malcolm

To: Turk-Rail@yahoogroups.com

CC: turk-rail@yahoogroups.com

From: demiryolu@...

Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 00:35:27 -0700

Subject: RE: [Turk-Rail] Some Updates and Questions



Gokce



BB67400, the French cousin of the DE24000 are usually used in multiple for
anything above 400/500 t, and the speed is not that great, nor the accelaration.



Could it be that the arrival of DE33000 made some DE24000 available for MUs
operation?



--- mopeakman@... wrote:



From: malcolm peakman <mopeakman@...>



To: <turk-rail@yahoogroups.com>



Subject: RE: [Turk-Rail] Some Updates and Questions



Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 07:17:12 +0000



Gokce



Thanks for the comments, I didn't mean that the Sincan stop was un-necessary,
rather that it was badly managed, instead of getting the passengers into the
correct places so that they can board effectively and quickly, much confusion is
allowed with people getting into the wrong carriage and then blocking further
people as they try to back-track, if you go to other Asian countries with High
Speed the passengers are well organised on the platforms, after all if you just
spent millions to save 10 minutes - then wasting 5 of them by bad organisation
is hardly sensible.



Your comments on ride are very interesting, mine was the same train same car out
and back, it would be interesting to compare different cars/trains.



Malcolm



To: Turk-Rail@yahoogroups.com



From: elbe80@...



Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 23:41:23 -0700



Subject: Re: [Turk-Rail] Some Updates and Questions



"I managed to ride the High Speed Trains yesterday, the ride isn't as bad as I
was led to believe"



If you ride it several times, you will see that ride quality is not constant, it
varies from time to time. For example, ride it one month later and most probably
you will notice a significant change in ride quality (either positive or
negative, difficult to guess). I also observe that ride quality



"The actual time to cover the high speed section was just one hour,



another 22 minutes is wasted getting out to Essenkent and 8 minutes



into Eskisehir. The Sincan stop wastes a lot of time!"



Ankara - Esenkent lasts 29 - 30 minutes, much slower than the accelerated trains
(hizlandirilmis tren) once operated 5 years ago! But I don't agree that Sincan
stop is a waste of time. It is a quite required one. Lots of passengers
(including me) board and alight there and all intercity passenger trains call
there. It is also a very effective transfer station between intercity and
suburban trains, as passengers don't have to change platforms.



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Hi Malcom

I remember seeing in USA (and elsewhere) locos working in MUs with crews in
several locos, some with obviously nothing to do. This was quite a while ago and
I understood back then that drivers union agreements required this. We know also
that many DE24000 lost their MUs equipment. Retrofitting such equipment is
usally possible, better & modern electronics could be used.

I can think of at least two other reasons to double the DE24000:
- I am under the impression that some units have been derated and now operates
at a lower power.
- DE24000 reliability might not be that great anymore and having two may give
some security, at the cost of having a doubled failure probability.

The situation you are describing about Mersin / Adana / Iskenderun is not new.
It goes back ages. You failed to mention that the road Adana Iskenderun which
was always very good has been replaced by an even better highway.



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From: malcolm peakman <mopeakman@...>
To: <turk-rail@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: [Turk-Rail] Some Updates and Questions
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 15:42:48 +0000


Jean-Patrick
It would make sense to MU them, but right now they operate with 2 crews.
I get the impression that the earlier ones are being withdrawn, I noted from
another website that some DE11000's and DH7000's were already withdrawn, (I know
that they had huge problems with the early electronics on the DE11000's), so
probably the DE33000's are seen as freight replacements for the DE24000's - and
as the accountancy justification is "replace" then the 24's get the chop, rather
than the lateral thinking of how can we use this resource to our advantage.
Meanwhile the 24's struggle on the hills, after all a schedule of 17 hours for
1120 km is only 66km/hr - hardly high speed (the Adana metro is 41kph average
speed!) An increase to say 80kph average would generate an average of 14 hours
and 100 gives 11.2 hours so improving the slower speed sections would give a big
reduction in journey times - always an attraction to the punters, but of course
it is important to keep time, otherwise the whole railway suffers.
For instance looking at the service pattern offered from Adana it is clear that
the good service to Mersin offers improved patronage, while eastwards the
service is so meagre that most trains are pretty empty, it is impossible to make
a day trip to Iskenderun for instance, indeed the only option for day travel is
the daily Elazig train. Result plenty of buses!
Malcolm
To: Turk-Rail@yahoogroups.com
CC: turk-rail@yahoogroups.com
From: demiryolu@...
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 00:35:27 -0700
Subject: RE: [Turk-Rail] Some Updates and Questions





















Gokce



BB67400, the French cousin of the DE24000 are usually used in multiple for
anything above 400/500 t, and the speed is not that great, nor the accelaration.

Could it be that the arrival of DE33000 made some DE24000 available for MUs
operation?



--- mopeakman@... wrote:



From: malcolm peakman <mopeakman@...>

To: <turk-rail@yahoogroups.com>

Subject: RE: [Turk-Rail] Some Updates and Questions

Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 07:17:12 +0000



Gokce



Thanks for the comments, I didn't mean that the Sincan stop was un-necessary,
rather that it was badly managed, instead of getting the passengers into the
correct places so that they can board effectively and quickly, much confusion is
allowed with people getting into the wrong carriage and then blocking further
people as they try to back-track, if you go to other Asian countries with High
Speed the passengers are well organised on the platforms, after all if you just
spent millions to save 10 minutes - then wasting 5 of them by bad organisation
is hardly sensible.



Your comments on ride are very interesting, mine was the same train same car out
and back, it would be interesting to compare different cars/trains.

Malcolm





To: Turk-Rail@yahoogroups.com

From: elbe80@...

Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 23:41:23 -0700

Subject: Re: [Turk-Rail] Some Updates and Questions



"I managed to ride the High Speed Trains yesterday, the ride isn't as bad as I
was led to believe"



If you ride it several times, you will see that ride quality is not constant, it
varies from time to time. For example, ride it one month later and most probably
you will notice a significant change in ride quality (either positive or
negative, difficult to guess). I also observe that ride quality



"The actual time to cover the high speed section was just one hour,

another 22 minutes is wasted getting out to Essenkent and 8 minutes

into Eskisehir. The Sincan stop wastes a lot of time!"



Ankara - Esenkent lasts 29 - 30 minutes, much slower than the accelerated trains
(hizlandirilmis tren) once operated 5 years ago! But I don't agree that Sincan
stop is a waste of time. It is a quite required one. Lots of passengers
(including me) board and alight there and all intercity passenger trains call
there. It is also a very effective transfer station between intercity and
suburban trains, as passengers don't have to change platforms.



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Jean-Patrick
It would make sense to MU them, but right now they operate with 2 crews.
I get the impression that the earlier ones are being withdrawn, I noted from
another website that some DE11000's and DH7000's were already withdrawn, (I know
that they had huge problems with the early electronics on the DE11000's), so
probably the DE33000's are seen as freight replacements for the DE24000's - and
as the accountancy justification is "replace" then the 24's get the chop, rather
than the lateral thinking of how can we use this resource to our advantage.
Meanwhile the 24's struggle on the hills, after all a schedule of 17 hours for
1120 km is only 66km/hr - hardly high speed (the Adana metro is 41kph average
speed!)  An increase to say 80kph average would generate an average of 14 hours
and 100 gives 11.2 hours so improving the slower speed sections would give a big
reduction in journey times - always an attraction to the punters, but of course
it is important to keep time, otherwise the whole railway suffers.
For instance looking at the service pattern offered from Adana it is clear that
the good service to Mersin offers improved patronage, while eastwards the
service is so meagre that most trains are pretty empty, it is impossible to make
a day trip to Iskenderun for instance, indeed the only option for day travel is
the daily Elazig train.  Result plenty of buses!
Malcolm
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CC: turk-rail@yahoogroups.com
From: demiryolu@...
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 00:35:27 -0700
Subject: RE: [Turk-Rail] Some Updates and Questions





















                   Gokce



BB67400, the French cousin of the DE24000 are usually used in multiple for
anything above 400/500 t, and the speed is not that great, nor the accelaration.

Could it be that the arrival of DE33000 made some DE24000 available for MUs
operation?



--- mopeakman@... wrote:



From: malcolm peakman <mopeakman@...>

To: <turk-rail@yahoogroups.com>

Subject: RE: [Turk-Rail] Some Updates and Questions

Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 07:17:12 +0000



Gokce



Thanks for the comments, I didn't mean that the Sincan stop was un-necessary,
rather that it was badly managed, instead of getting the passengers into the
correct places so that they can board effectively and quickly, much confusion is
allowed with people getting into the wrong carriage and then blocking further
people as they try to back-track,  if you go to other Asian countries with High
Speed the passengers are well organised on the platforms, after all if you just
spent millions to save 10 minutes - then wasting 5 of them by bad organisation
is hardly sensible.



Your comments on ride are very interesting, mine was the same train same car out
and back, it would be interesting to compare different cars/trains.

Malcolm





To: Turk-Rail@yahoogroups.com

From: elbe80@...

Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 23:41:23 -0700

Subject: Re: [Turk-Rail] Some Updates and Questions



"I managed to ride the High Speed Trains yesterday, the ride isn't as bad as I
was led to believe"



If you ride it several times, you will see that ride quality is not constant, it
varies from time to time. For example, ride it one month later and most probably
you will notice a significant change in ride quality (either positive or
negative, difficult to guess). I also observe that ride quality



"The actual time to cover the high speed section was just one hour,

another 22 minutes is wasted getting out to Essenkent and 8 minutes

into Eskisehir. The Sincan stop wastes a lot of time!"



Ankara - Esenkent lasts 29 - 30 minutes, much slower than the accelerated trains
(hizlandirilmis tren) once operated 5 years ago! But I don't agree that Sincan
stop is a waste of time. It is a quite required one. Lots of passengers
(including me) board and alight there and all intercity passenger trains call
there. It is also a very effective transfer station between intercity and
suburban trains, as passengers don't have to change platforms.



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Gokce

BB67400, the French cousin of the DE24000 are usually used in multiple for
anything above 400/500 t, and the speed is not that great, nor the accelaration.
Could it be that the arrival of DE33000 made some DE24000 available for MUs
operation?


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To: <turk-rail@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: [Turk-Rail] Some Updates and Questions
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 07:17:12 +0000


Gokce

Thanks for the comments, I didn't mean that the Sincan stop was un-necessary,
rather that it was badly managed, instead of getting the passengers into the
correct places so that they can board effectively and quickly, much confusion is
allowed with people getting into the wrong carriage and then blocking further
people as they try to back-track,  if you go to other Asian countries with High
Speed the passengers are well organised on the platforms, after all if you just
spent millions to save 10 minutes - then wasting 5 of them by bad organisation
is hardly sensible.

Your comments on ride are very interesting, mine was the same train same car out
and back, it would be interesting to compare different cars/trains.
Malcolm







To: Turk-Rail@yahoogroups.com
From: elbe80@...
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 23:41:23 -0700
Subject: Re: [Turk-Rail] Some Updates and Questions





"I managed to ride the High Speed Trains yesterday, the ride isn't as bad as I
was led to believe"

If you ride it several times, you will see that ride quality is not constant, it
varies from time to time. For example, ride it one month later and most probably
you will notice a significant change in ride quality (either positive or
negative, difficult to guess). I also observe that ride quality

"The actual time to cover the high speed section was just one hour,
another 22 minutes is wasted getting out to Essenkent and 8 minutes
into Eskisehir. The Sincan stop wastes a lot of time!"

Ankara - Esenkent lasts 29 - 30 minutes, much slower than the accelerated trains
(hizlandirilmis tren) once operated 5 years ago! But I don't agree that Sincan
stop is a waste of time. It is a quite required one. Lots of passengers
(including me) board and alight there and all intercity passenger trains call
there. It is also a very effective transfer station between intercity and
suburban trains, as passengers don't have to change platforms.



Malcolm

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Thanks for the comments, I didn't mean that the Sincan stop was un-necessary,
rather that it was badly managed, instead of getting the passengers into the
correct places so that they can board effectively and quickly, much confusion is
allowed with people getting into the wrong carriage and then blocking further
people as they try to back-track,  if you go to other Asian countries with High
Speed the passengers are well organised on the platforms, after all if you just
spent millions to save 10 minutes - then wasting 5 of them by bad organisation
is hardly sensible.

Your comments on ride are very interesting, mine was the same train same car out
and back, it would be interesting to compare different cars/trains.
Malcolm







To: Turk-Rail@yahoogroups.com
From: elbe80@...
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 23:41:23 -0700
Subject: Re: [Turk-Rail] Some Updates and Questions





"I managed to ride the High Speed Trains yesterday, the ride isn't as bad as I
was led to believe"

If you ride it several times, you will see that ride quality is not constant, it
varies from time to time. For example, ride it one month later and most probably
you will notice a significant change in ride quality (either positive or
negative, difficult to guess). I also observe that ride quality

"The actual time to cover the high speed section was just one hour,
another 22 minutes is wasted getting out to Essenkent and 8 minutes
into Eskisehir. The Sincan stop wastes a lot of time!"

Ankara - Esenkent lasts 29 - 30 minutes, much slower than the accelerated trains
(hizlandirilmis tren) once operated 5 years ago! But I don't agree that Sincan
stop is a waste of time. It is a quite required one. Lots of passengers
(including me) board and alight there and all intercity passenger trains call
there. It is also a very effective transfer station between intercity and
suburban trains, as passengers don't have to change platforms.



Malcolm

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Gokce

The Ic Anadolu has been double headed (by DE24's) on the last 3 occasions that I
have seen it with both locos working through to Konya (at least on last Friday
when I rode it).

The Ankara train is less frequently double headed, and the occasion that I saw
with a 33 it could have been a case of getting the 2nd loco somewhere in a
hurry.

One of the Mersin trains was always doubel headed in the previous TT.

I do agree that to regard the 33's as freight locos is wrong, probably the issue
is that to use a 33 sometimes would result in early arrivals, but to retime the
train for 33's would make even later arrivals if one wasn't available, so the
step change isn't taken.

The problem right now is relaying work after Hacikiri towards Pozanti loses
time, Belemedick appears unstaffed so trains don't cross, relaying work and
associated work for HST 2 extend for 50km north of Konya, so in the case of the
Adana bound Ic Anadolu that I rode, 20 mins late at Kutahya, translated into 70
late at Konya (10 was reclaimed by smart station work there), then 60 late at
Pozanti became 90 late while we waited for the Konya train (which we could have
passed at Belemedik), and 100 late in Adana I'm sure a 33 would have picked up a
lot of time on the southbound section to Ulukishla - the 13km at 26 per1000 had
our DE24 down to 20kph according to the speedo on the equipment box.  Note these
sorts of arrival times are common in Adana for the Ic Anadolu so the same delays
occur pretty much every day.  Not a good way to run a railway I'm afraid.

Malcolm







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From: elbe80@...
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 23:25:54 -0700
Subject: Re: [Turk-Rail] Some more questions





I have never come across o double - headed passenger train from Adana up to
Taurus mountains. I believe that was a special case - i.e. a failed (or known to
be about to fail) DE24000. But it is true that they occasionaly (although not
very frequently) haul the passenger trains by DE33's. A single DE33 can easily
haul a standard passenger train of the region at 60 km/h uphill there, which is
more than adequate to keep the time. No need for double-heading. DE33's have
also higher maximum speeds (130 km/h) than DE24's, but maximum speed of
locomotive is not a limiting factor in any non-electrifed region in Turkey. The
reason that they still prefer to give DE240's to passenger trains is they
believe DE33's are freight locomotives and hauling passenger trains with them is
simply a waste of resources (which I don't agree quite much).

Regards,
Gokce

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From: malcolm peakman <mopeakman@...>
Subject: [Turk-Rail] Some more questions
To: turk-rail@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, September 7, 2009, 11:04 AM



Hi Group

I went to Istanbul by train this weekend, and I have several questions

1 At Izmit there are at least 12 of the new EMU sets - no numbers vsible -
anyone have any ideas which sets they are??

2 At Afyon there is a ng line around the traffic island outside the station - is
it functional? By the way I guess the one in Ankara has totally gone now

3 Does anyone know what the plans are for Sirkeci and Hydarpasa once the tunnel
is open?

4 Will the High speed line from Konya have a regular line beside it? Work
started on a junction - but no progress has been made.

5 Does anyone know the length of the new tunnel north of Konya?

Now some updates

Good progress is being made on the High Speed Line out of Konya - many km of
track laid

Good progress is being made on doubling the section from Alyunt to Kutahaya -
rails are in and 50% ballasted

Opposite the depot in Afyon is the sleeper depot, dumped at the back is a tender
- looked like from a Middle East 2-8-2 - any ideas anyone?

Adana seems to be double heading trains up the mountains - last nite the Ankara
train had a24 with a 33 inside - are any passengers trains booked to be hauled
by these? I think that they would greatly benefit the trains crawling up the
Taurus Mountains (the grade from Konya direction is 1 in 38.4 {26 per 1000} for
about 15 Kilometers and the 24's are reduced to a crawl) but do the 33's have a
lower maximum speed?

Lots of things I know but hoping for some replies.

Malcolm

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"I managed to ride the High Speed Trains yesterday, the ride isn't as bad as I
was led to believe"

If you ride it several times, you will see that ride quality is not constant, it
varies from time to time. For example, ride it one month later and most probably
you will notice a significant change in ride quality (either positive or
negative, difficult to guess). I also observe that ride quality 

"The actual time to cover the high speed section was just one hour,
another 22 minutes is wasted getting out to Essenkent and 8 minutes
into Eskisehir. The Sincan stop wastes a lot of time!"

Ankara - Esenkent lasts 29 - 30 minutes, much slower than the accelerated trains
(hizlandirilmis tren) once operated 5 years ago! But I don't agree that Sincan
stop is a waste of time. It is a quite required one. Lots of passengers
(including me) board and alight there and all intercity passenger trains call
there. It is also a very effective transfer station between intercity and
suburban trains, as passengers don't have to change platforms.  





 





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I have never come across o double - headed passenger train from Adana up to
Taurus mountains. I believe that was a special case - i.e. a failed (or known to
be about to fail) DE24000. But it is true that they occasionaly (although not
very frequently) haul the passenger trains by DE33's. A single DE33 can easily
haul a standard passenger train of the region at 60 km/h uphill there, which is
more than adequate to keep the time. No need for double-heading. DE33's have
also higher maximum speeds (130 km/h) than DE24's, but maximum speed of
locomotive is not a limiting factor in any non-electrifed region in Turkey. The
reason that they still prefer to give DE240's to passenger trains is they
believe DE33's are freight locomotives and hauling passenger trains with them is
simply a waste of resources (which I don't agree quite much).

Regards,
Gokce

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From: malcolm peakman <mopeakman@...>
Subject: [Turk-Rail] Some more questions
To: turk-rail@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, September 7, 2009, 11:04 AM






 







Hi Group



I went to Istanbul by train this weekend, and I have several questions



1 At Izmit there are at least 12 of the new EMU sets - no numbers vsible -
anyone have any ideas which sets they are??



2 At Afyon there is a ng line around the traffic island outside the station - is
it functional?  By the way I guess the one in Ankara has totally gone now



3 Does anyone know what the plans are for Sirkeci and Hydarpasa once the tunnel
is open?



4 Will the High speed line from Konya have a regular line beside it?  Work
started on a junction - but no progress has been made.



5 Does anyone know the length of the new tunnel north of Konya?



Now some updates



Good progress is being made on the High Speed Line out of Konya - many km of
track laid



Good progress is being made on doubling the section from Alyunt to Kutahaya -
rails are in and 50% ballasted



Opposite the depot in Afyon is the sleeper depot, dumped at the back is a tender
- looked like from a Middle East 2-8-2 - any ideas anyone?



Adana seems to be double heading trains up the mountains - last nite the Ankara
train had a24 with a 33 inside - are any passengers trains booked to be hauled
by these?  I think that they would greatly benefit the trains crawling up the
Taurus Mountains (the grade from Konya direction is 1 in 38.4 {26 per 1000} for
about 15 Kilometers and the 24's are reduced to a crawl)  but do the 33's have a
lower maximum speed?



Lots of things I know but hoping for some replies.



Malcolm



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Hi H

I can understand that idea too as from Kedikule area there would not be a
suburban service along the existing corridor, unless a new Metro was added (as
is happening from Kartal to Kidikoy), but I could also understand a desire to
restore the City walls and Topkapi Gardens destroyed when the railway was built.
That is why I asked the question and I thank you for your input.

Malcolm



To: Turk-Rail@yahoogroups.com
From: ateshci@...
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 13:29:14 +0000
Subject: [Turk-Rail] Re: Some more questions





--- In Turk-Rail@yahoogroups.com, malcolm peakman <mopeakman@...> wrote:

> 3 Does anyone know what the plans are for Sirkeci and Hydarpasa once the
tunnel is open?

Well,the replies so far are quite opposite to what I heard from some TCDD
officials ( but a as usual, things may change rapidly..)
I was told that the staion tracks will be curtailed to serve the banliyö only-
which makes sense with respect to the plans for Istanbul suburban transport.
I'll see what I'll be told during my next stay in december :-)
Cheers,
H.









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--- In Turk-Rail@yahoogroups.com, malcolm peakman <mopeakman@...> wrote:

> 3 Does anyone know what the plans are for Sirkeci and Hydarpasa once the
tunnel is open?

Well,the replies so far are quite opposite to what I heard from some TCDD
officials ( but a as usual, things may change rapidly..)
I was told that the staion tracks will be curtailed to serve the banliyö only-
which makes sense with respect to the plans for Istanbul suburban transport.
I'll see what I'll be told during my next stay in december :-)
Cheers,
H.

Hi Denizcan

Thanks for that information

Malcolm



To: Turk-Rail@yahoogroups.com
From: dorsambjk@...
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2009 05:39:21 -0700
Subject: Re: [Turk-Rail] Some more questions





Hi Malcolm,

I heard that they will be turning Haydarpasa Station building into a hotel, and
taking up the tracks from Sogutlucesme. As for Sirkeci they will keep the train
station but the tracks will be taken up from Yenikapi.

Sincerely,
Denizcan Dorsam

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From: malcolm peakman <mopeakman@...>
To: turk-rail@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, September 7, 2009 4:04:42 AM
Subject: [Turk-Rail] Some more questions

Hi Group

I went to Istanbul by train this weekend, and I have several questions

1 At Izmit there are at least 12 of the new EMU sets - no numbers vsible -
anyone have any ideas which sets they are??

2 At Afyon there is a ng line around the traffic island outside the station - is
it functional? By the way I guess the one in Ankara has totally gone now

3 Does anyone know what the plans are for Sirkeci and Hydarpasa once the tunnel
is open?

4 Will the High speed line from Konya have a regular line beside it? Work
started on a junction - but no progress has been made.

5 Does anyone know the length of the new tunnel north of Konya?

Now some updates

Good progress is being made on the High Speed Line out of Konya - many km of
track laid

Good progress is being made on doubling the section from Alyunt to Kutahaya -
rails are in and 50% ballasted

Opposite the depot in Afyon is the sleeper depot, dumped at the back is a tender
- looked like from a Middle East 2-8-2 - any ideas anyone?

Adana seems to be double heading trains up the mountains - last nite the Ankara
train had a24 with a 33 inside - are any passengers trains booked to be hauled
by these? I think that they would greatly benefit the trains crawling up the
Taurus Mountains (the grade from Konya direction is 1 in 38.4 {26 per 1000} for
about 15 Kilometers and the 24's are reduced to a crawl) but do the 33's have a
lower maximum speed?

Lots of things I know but hoping for some replies.

Malcolm

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Hello
Pse see under: http://www.drehscheibe-foren.de/foren/read.php?17,4434488
if you go right to the bottom of the post, you can click for part I and 2.