Hi everybody,

I received a few mails telling me it wasn't possible to find my items on ebay. 
I ussualy use the headword 'Zoo' of sometimes 'Guidebook'. Of course you can
also look under my ebay ID: zooman0506

I hope it works this time. 50 items are for sale now and a few hundreds will
follow.  After the UK items I'm selling my collection of France also.

If you want to contact me private: gie.robeyns@...

Best regards,

Gie
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   From: Gie
   To: John Adams ; John Tuson ; john.tuson@... ; Karyn Sparks ;
Peter20er@... ; Zoo-Historians@yahoogroups.com ; UK-Zoos@yahoogroups.com ;
Zoo_Collectors@yahoogroups.com ; visse.com ; Tp3277@... ; Rob Vaughan ;
plagunast@... ; jonas.livet@... ; gurami53@... ;
davidarmitage100@... ; Christopher Polley ; Christoph Schwitzer ; brian
FOSTER ; Bart Vilain ; baldurthorvaldsson@...
   Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2005 8:58 PM
   Subject: Items of UK-zoos for sale


   Hi friends and collectors,

   I'm sure that some of you already noticed that I am selling part of my
collection on ebay.  I've started sunday last and I will put every day 10 tot 15
items on ebay. 36 items are already for sale at this moment.
   Interested? Don't wait to make a bid!

   For more information about this sale please contact me private on
gie.robeyns@...


   Best regards,

   Gie

   Gie Robeyns
   gie.robeyns@...

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Hi friends and collectors,

I'm sure that some of you already noticed that I am selling part of my
collection on ebay.  I've started sunday last and I will put every day 10 tot 15
items on ebay. 36 items are already for sale at this moment.
Interested? Don't wait to make a bid!

For more information about this sale please contact me private on
gie.robeyns@...


Best regards,

Gie

Gie Robeyns
gie.robeyns@...

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who keeps what?

I would like to get i ncontcat with otgher exotic animal breeders. I keep mainly
medium sized exotics, wallabies, arctic fox, capuchin and vervet monkeys, emu
various birds etc etc. would like to hear from anyone with exotic mammals to
discuss husbandry and possible stock exchange.

Or does anyone know some zoos that may rehome with private keepers?

email me killianmclaughlin@...

Thanks
Killian

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Hi,
Interested in the horse skull for teaching Police Marksmen humane despatch
courses.
Please advise of the where, when and how.
Thanks
Andrew Venables
07767-365804
_www.wms-firearmstraining.org_ (http://www.wms-firearmstraining.org)


Andrew D Venables


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I have recently retired from teaching trainee vets and want to dispose
of a HORSE skull and teeth specimen.

It is useful for teaching basic anatomy (the jaw articulates with the
skull and the facial sinuses have "viewing holes").

It is also useful for discussing the relationship between tooth
structure/dentition arrangement and dietary habits.

Photos and details are available at:
http://www.lovehealth.co.uk/sale/skull.htm

If you are interested in this item please let me know, or forward this
post to anyone else who might be interested.

Many thanks!
Michael

Hi all,

Does anyone have an email address for Gie Robeyns?

Paul




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I am very interested in hearing about this product line. Email me with
more info, please.  Marybeth Trilling-- In UK-Zoos@yahoogroups.com,
<linda@m...> wrote:
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Dear Atef Mohsen:  Jones and Jones in Seattle
Washington USA is a well known zoo architect firm.
They might be able to provide you with some
information. I do not have their website-but hope that
this will help.
--- Atef Mohsen <m_atef@...> wrote:
>
> dear ALL... HALLO
> it's my frist time to wrote to ... and it is howner
> to do :)
> i want a help data amd criateria of what ever help
> me in my graduation
> project for designing a ZOO in EGYPT ..
> my name is Atef an architceture Student in the
> faculty of FINE ARTS
> CAIRO ARCHITECTURE DPARtMENT amd i have that
> graduation project me and
> my friend to desgin a ZOO and it is hard to find
> refrances ..so can
> any one here help me to find data of website or can
> send me what ever
> help or even a advice please ........ i will be
> gradful :)
> thanks alot ..hope to have ur reply soon :)
> urs:ATEF
>
>
>
>
>



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Dear Atef Mohsen:  Jones and Jones in Seattle
Washington USA is a well known zoo architect firm.
They might be able to provide you with some
information. I do not have their website-but hope that
this will help.
--- Atef Mohsen <m_atef@...> wrote:
>
> dear ALL... HALLO
> it's my frist time to wrote to ... and it is howner
> to do :)
> i want a help data amd criateria of what ever help
> me in my graduation
> project for designing a ZOO in EGYPT ..
> my name is Atef an architceture Student in the
> faculty of FINE ARTS
> CAIRO ARCHITECTURE DPARtMENT amd i have that
> graduation project me and
> my friend to desgin a ZOO and it is hard to find
> refrances ..so can
> any one here help me to find data of website or can
> send me what ever
> help or even a advice please ........ i will be
> gradful :)
> thanks alot ..hope to have ur reply soon :)
> urs:ATEF
>
>
>
>
>

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dear ALL... HALLO
it's my frist time to wrote to ... and it is howner to do :)
i want a help data amd criateria of what ever help me in my graduation
project for designing a ZOO in EGYPT ..
my name is Atef an architceture Student in the faculty of FINE ARTS
CAIRO ARCHITECTURE DPARtMENT amd i have that graduation project me and
my friend to desgin a ZOO and it is hard to find refrances ..so can
any one here help me to find data of website or can send me what ever
help or even a advice please ........ i will be gradful :)
thanks alot ..hope to have ur reply soon :)
urs:ATEF

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It is with great sadness that I bring the news of the death of Lutz
Kuschinski.

Lutz Kuschinski, 62, was the Curator of Glasgow Zoo. He was the
curator for the past 34 years and upto the end of the zoo when it
closed some 14 months ago.

Lutz Kuschinski was a Berlin born man, who after serving his national
service straight after school, went into Berlin Zoo. He worked there
for a number of years, working his way through to senior. Lutz then
came over to Scotland to live and he married not long after, speaking
little to no English, he strived at the barrier and became one of the
most longest served zoo curators around.

Having worked alongside with Lutz, I am proud as are the many other
keepers that also knew him, as well as other staff. He has left a
great legacy among the zoo world, that he passed on his knowledge and
skills of good and hard keepering work.

I have lost a dear good friend, and the zoo world has lost a great
patron. They say people come and go, but good friends are hard to
come by...

Good bye old friend.

Regards
Paul Paterson.

Hi Mark,

Thanks for the information concerning the ZLA. Chester Zoo's 2003 stock list is
on their website. Go to 'about us' on the main menu then click on 'annual
report', or search the site for 'zoo review.' Recent arrivals at Chester Zoo
include Azara's Agoutis, Crocodile Monitors and McCord's Box Turtles.

I don't know any other zoo which has the stock list on the web. Maybe some will
consider it. It does seem strange that the zoos you contacted were unhelpful, I
think anyone who takes an interst in the collection should be encouraged.

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Hi Rob

Thanks for your reply.

Marwell also publish their animal inventory in their annual report.

Zoos are not required to publish an inventory by the ZLA 1981. The
Secretary of State's Standards for Modern Zoo Practice says zoos
have to prepare an inventory each year for their licensing
authority. However, Tom Adams at DEFRA advises me this is only a
recommendation.

If a zoo does not want to give out a full inventory (they can be
large documents) they can easily produce a census if using ARKS.

I agree with you that they could aquiesce to such requests even if
they only made a charge to at least cover their costs. After all if
one wanted to take the time and trouble the information is available
on the ISIS web site.

Thanks again

Mark

Hi Mark,

Marwell Zoo's site has a list of animals currently kept at the zoo.
It is in alphabetical order by common names. I always thought that
publishing an annual stock list was a condition of the Zoo Licensing
Act, maybe most zoos now use ISIS or other similar programmes.
Surely if printed stock lists are kept by zoos, it would not be too
much trouble to send someone who was interested a copy, even if a
small charge to cover costs was imposed.

Hope this is of help.

Rob Callaghan

When visiting zoos it is not always possible to make a list of all
its animals. You may miss some of them and some may be off-exhibit.
It can be useful, therefore, to obtain the animal inventory.

Some zoos, e.g. Chester, publish theirs as part of their annual
report. However, not all zoos publish an annual report and some that
do don't include an animal inventory.

I've asked a couple of zoos for an inventory but they declined. I
know they're not a matter of public record but just wondering if any
one has any ideas about the best way of approaching a zoo for this
type of info.

Dalziel and Pascoe
BBC1
Sunday 6 February and Monday 7 February 2005
9pm.

In the latest two-parter, the detective duo investigate dark deeds at
a private zoo, where the tigers seem to be enjoying a diet of human
flesh.

Dudley Zoo and two of their keepers seem to be dinning well tonight.

While not wanting to steel their thunder, Glasgow Zoo has in the past
dealt with the same and it was murder! Three times has this zoo
appeared in the Cop Show "Taggert". Once back in the 80's, then a
more flesh eating time in the early 90's and back again in the 2003.
Both times in the late 1980's and early 1990's were several "murders"
were committed, it was a great laugh when we used parts of a shop-
dummy with clothes, in the lions and we had to film one of the
suspects with his clothes torn at the tiger house...What a scream. In
2003 the zoo was used for filming at the tigers and at the monkey
house, having the suspect being interviewed while at these areas. One
thing I can say about these filming scheduals...the food from their
mobile carrage is very good, a bit meaty though!!

Glasgow Zoo also was used for other shows like, "Chewing the fat" and
several childrens shows as well as the well known "Cartoon Cavelcade".

I hope Dudley Zoo has a good time and lets see if we can spot the two
keepers?

Regards.

Hi,  These may be of interest.  I am looking to sell the Annual
Reports from the Jersey Wildlife Preservation Trust.  I have at least
20 from Vol.3.  These are full of interesting facts and photos from
Jersey and are more scientific than anything else.  This publication
was re-named The Dodo in the 1980's.  If anyone is interested, please
do contact me for more information.  Brian

Re. below.
My apologies to all list members. This is what happens when one works on
Sundays...
Best wishes
Anna
   -----Original Message-----
   From: MARK CARRUTHERS-BLEASDALE [mailto:markcb@...]
   Sent: Sunday, January 09, 2005 3:55 PM
   To: UK-Zoos@yahoogroups.com
   Subject: Re: [UK-Zoos] ANIMAL PARK SOLVES PLANNING ISSUES


   It would be nice if people posting messages in the forum did not give
false subject headings. I for one would be more willing to respond to
messages that did not try to mislead me into reading them with a false
subject heading.
     ----- Original Message -----
     From: Anna Salaman
     To: UK-Zoos@yahoogroups.com
     Sent: Sunday, January 09, 2005 1:26 PM
     Subject: RE: [UK-Zoos] ANIMAL PARK SOLVES PLANNING ISSUES


     Dear All

     I'm co-authoring a book in a freelance capacity about the Early Years
     (children aged 2 to 5) visiting cultural venues, including museums, art
     galleries, zoos/farms, and arts performance venues, and we're looking
for
     case studies to include in the book. The book will be aimed at Early
Years
     practitioners, and will emphasise that such visits are not just 'days
out',
     but an integral part of the curriculum guidance at Foundation Stage. The
     book will include activities which Early Years settings can do prior and
     after their visits to these venues, as well as general pointers on
getting
     the most out of the visits themselves. It is likely that the book will
have
     a wide national distribution to Early Years settings.

     Does your zoo/farm work with this age group? Do you provide additional
     learning resources for Foundation Stage practitioners? If you do,  would
you
     like your
     organisation's Early Years provision to feature as a case study in the
book?
     If you were interested, I may need to contact an Early Years setting
     which had booked to visit your venue, so that I could test the book's
     proposed activities with them and include them in the case study too.
     Depending on how you prefer to proceed, I would be happy to administrate
     every stage of this process with the teachers and pupils. In other
words,
     there would be little or no work required on your part - but all the
glory
     of being cited in a glossy educational resource!

     Please contact me by email if you'd like to be involved. Many thanks in
     advance.

     Best wishes

     Anna Salaman

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It would be nice if people posting messages in the forum did not give false
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   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Anna Salaman
   To: UK-Zoos@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Sunday, January 09, 2005 1:26 PM
   Subject: RE: [UK-Zoos] ANIMAL PARK SOLVES PLANNING ISSUES


   Dear All

   I'm co-authoring a book in a freelance capacity about the Early Years
   (children aged 2 to 5) visiting cultural venues, including museums, art
   galleries, zoos/farms, and arts performance venues, and we're looking for
   case studies to include in the book. The book will be aimed at Early Years
   practitioners, and will emphasise that such visits are not just 'days out',
   but an integral part of the curriculum guidance at Foundation Stage. The
   book will include activities which Early Years settings can do prior and
   after their visits to these venues, as well as general pointers on getting
   the most out of the visits themselves. It is likely that the book will have
   a wide national distribution to Early Years settings.

   Does your zoo/farm work with this age group? Do you provide additional
   learning resources for Foundation Stage practitioners? If you do,  would you
   like your
   organisation's Early Years provision to feature as a case study in the book?
   If you were interested, I may need to contact an Early Years setting
   which had booked to visit your venue, so that I could test the book's
   proposed activities with them and include them in the case study too.
   Depending on how you prefer to proceed, I would be happy to administrate
   every stage of this process with the teachers and pupils. In other words,
   there would be little or no work required on your part - but all the glory
   of being cited in a glossy educational resource!

   Please contact me by email if you'd like to be involved. Many thanks in
   advance.

   Best wishes

   Anna Salaman

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Dear All

I'm co-authoring a book in a freelance capacity about the Early Years
(children aged 2 to 5) visiting cultural venues, including museums, art
galleries, zoos/farms, and arts performance venues, and we're looking for
case studies to include in the book. The book will be aimed at Early Years
practitioners, and will emphasise that such visits are not just 'days out',
but an integral part of the curriculum guidance at Foundation Stage. The
book will include activities which Early Years settings can do prior and
after their visits to these venues, as well as general pointers on getting
the most out of the visits themselves. It is likely that the book will have
a wide national distribution to Early Years settings.

Does your zoo/farm work with this age group? Do you provide additional
learning resources for Foundation Stage practitioners? If you do,  would you
like your
organisation's Early Years provision to feature as a case study in the book?
If you were interested, I may need to contact an Early Years setting
which had booked to visit your venue, so that I could test the book's
proposed activities with them and include them in the case study too.
Depending on how you prefer to proceed, I would be happy to administrate
every stage of this process with the teachers and pupils. In other words,
there would be little or no work required on your part - but all the glory
of being cited in a glossy educational resource!

Please contact me by email if you'd like to be involved. Many thanks in
advance.

Best wishes

Anna Salaman

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South Pole? No it's Dalton at 11.30am on Boxing Day
IT may have been freezing outside but visitors to Dalton's South
Lakes Wild Animal Park were still stunned to see 10 penguins had
dropped in for Christmas.
These unexpected guests joined the other attractions for a Christmas
feast.
After getting over their jetlag they took their first tentative steps
out into the crisp Furness air — to be greeted by a blanket of snow
heralding a white Cumbrian Christmas.
With a quick flap of their wings, the penguins puffed out their
chests and strode out into the icy Dalton park.
They soon felt right at home in their new surroundings.
Zoo owner David Gill made the 2,000-mile
http://www.nwemail.co.uk/news/viewarticle.aspx?id=165820

New arrival at zoo for pensioner mother
AN elderly ape surprised staff at Dalton's South Lakes Wild Animal
Park, by giving birth to a bouncing baby. Nancy, a 41-year-old
Siamang — who would be more than 80 years old in human years — gave
birth to a healthy baby despite being one of the park's pensioners.
The old girl last had a baby 14 years
http://www.nwemail.co.uk/news/viewarticle.aspx?id=165953

OFFERS AT TOWN ZOO
As a special winter treat Newquay Zoo is offering senior citizens a
much reduced entry fee. Every Tuesday until mid March, senior
citizens can save £3 with a reduced entry fee of £2.75 per person,
including a tea or coffee.
Marketing manager Michelle Turton said: "The zoo makes an ideal day
out to enjoy the beautiful lakeside gardens in the company of
hundreds of animals.
"Feeding time talks and
http://www.thisiscornwall.co.uk/displayNode.jsp?
nodeId=147204&command=displayContent&sourceNode=147182&contentPK=11604
102

Peter Dickinson
ZooNews Digest

ANIMAL PARK SOLVES PLANNING ISSUES
LEGAL action against a Cumbrian tourist attraction may be dropped
within the next week if planners accept a certificate of lawfulness
proving land has been used for displaying animals for 10 years.
The owners of Trotters Animal Farm, near Bassenthwaite, claimed
National Park planners were hounding them and adopting an
unreasonable attitude to the zoo.
As a result of an investigation into breaches of planning control,
planners authorised enforcement action.
Since then, two applications for certificates of lawful use have been
submitted, one for the accommodation and display of animals and the
other for a residential caravan and these are due to get approval at
Wednesday's planning committee meeting in Kendal.
Members are also being recommended to rescind the enforcement action
decision.
The animal park attracts around 50,000 visitors a year. Many of the
animals came from Southport Zoo when it closed, including
http://www.businessgazette.co.uk/viewarticle.asp?id=167931

Peter Dickinson
ZooNews Digest

Dear All

I’m co-authoring a book in a freelance capacity about the Early Years
(children aged 2 to 5) visiting cultural venues, including museums, art
galleries, zoos/farms, and arts performance venues, and we’re looking for
case studies to include in the book. The book will be aimed at Early Years
practitioners, and will emphasise that such visits are not just ‘days out’,
but an integral part of the curriculum guidance at Foundation Stage. The
book will include activities which Early Years settings can do prior and
after their visits to these venues, as well as general pointers on getting
the most out of the visits themselves. It is likely that the book will have
a wide national distribution to Early Years settings.

Does your zoo/farm work with this age group? Would you like your
organisation’s Early Years provision to feature as a case study in the book?
If you were interested, I’d also need to contact an Early Years setting
which had booked to visit your venue, so that I could test the book’s
proposed activities with them and include them in the case study too.
Depending on how you prefer to proceed, I would be happy to administrate
every stage of this process with the teachers and pupils. In other words,
there would be little or no work required on your part - but all the glory
of being cited in a glossy educational resource!

Please contact me by email if you’d like to be involved. Many thanks in
advance.

Best wishes

Anna Salaman

E: mail@...

Here is some information from the Disability Rights Commission on the
rights of guide dog owners.

Know Your Rights - Assistance Dog Owners

Discrimination against people who use assistance dogs

What is the problem?
Disabled people who use assisatnce dogs quite often experience
discrimination in doing everyday things other people take for
granted. This is because shops, restaurants and other business
sometimes object to assistance dogs being brought onto their premises.

Is it against the law to do this?
It will usually be against the law to discriminate in this way. The
Disability Discrimination Act 1995 (DDA) says that anyone who
provides services, goods or facilities to the public cannot refuse to
provide their service to a disabled person for a reason relating to
their disability. Nor can service providers use a person's disability
or to provide them with a lower standard of service that it offers to
other people, or a service on worst terms. Doing any of these things
is likely to give rise to a disability discrimination claim.

The Act also requires a service provider to make reasonable
adjustments to any practice, policy or product which it makes it
impossible or unreasonably difficult for a disabled person to make
use of the goods, facilities or services in question. This may mean
not enforcing a "no dogs" policy in respect of assistance dogs or
amending a "no pets" policy to ensure that assistance dogs are exempt
from it.

Why is it important not to discriminate in this way?
Many disabled people rely on an assistance dog as an aid to their
mobility, and would find it extremely difficult to manage getting
around without it. So, if a business owner refuses to allow an
assistance dog onto his premises, the effect is to deny the disabled
person the ability to buy goods from him or to use his services in
the way other people do.

Why are assistance dogs refused access?

1. Hygiene and Health & Safety
It is entirely understandable that some businesses have a general
policy of not allowing pets into their premises for health and safety
reasons. However, even where hygiene is particularly important (in
food shops and restaurants, for example) it should be possible to
make exceptions for assisatnce dogs despite concerns over health and
safety.

2. "No Dogs" Policies
Assisatnce dogs are also not excluded as a result of "no dogs"
policies. The DDA requires service providers to make reasonable
adjustments to policies and one such adjustment could be to waive
the "no dogs" policies in respect of assistance dogs, or amend a "no
pets" policy so that assistance dogs are not refused access. Because
assistance dog owners rely on their dogs to get around safely,
refusing to allow an assistance dog on the premises means refusing to
provide a service to the owner for a reason relating to their
disability.

Can a provider of services justify their refusal to serve or accept
an assistance dog user or not to allow an assistance dog onto the
premises?
Although it may sometimes be possible to justify a refusal to serve a
person who uses an assistance dog, the law will only permit such
justification in exceptional circumstances.
(usually by a court of law)

The above is all but a mere sample of the law relating to guide dogs
or assistance dogs and the use of them, we also have the Guide Dogs
Act.

Any business that provides a service or goods or offers a facility
and then refuses to allow guide dogs onto their premises are breaking
the law (this also includes zoos, wildlife parks, safari parks, pet
shops and so on) and as such the disabled person affected can then
take action through the courts, with fines being not set, then the
judge or sheriff can fine the owner or business a fine of any amount
and in most cases is exceptionaly high and can be many hundreds of
thousands of pounds and even several million pounds.

I hope this has help clarify the guide dog issue.

Regards
Paul P.

Many thanks for that info Peter, much obliged.

Although it makes perfect sense and I do agree, the person who is
blind and with a guide dog who might want to enter the park and may
be wants to use the disabled toilets or use the tearoom or even just
chat to someone who might be near the front or main area, might find
the no guide rule rather offputting, if not upsetting. I can
understand the no dog rule for areas where there are dangers to all
and the welfare has to take a more primary role, but when there are
areas that lack such concerns then it would be better for a more
equal rule.

As such, when such problems as disability and access arise it is far
better to compile an audit on that area, and as the law now states
such audits are a legal process of all service providers.

But I do agree with the points that you have made and are fair and
just.

Regards
Paul P.

--- In UK-Zoos@yahoogroups.com, Peter Dickinson <peter@e...> wrote:
> Don't quote me on this and I am not on the defensive
> but I recollect a conversation with David re Guide
> Dogs. They are not permitted for the safety of the
> dogs. Large groups of free roaming lemurs could be a
> problem for the dogs. There is also the necessity of
> banning any dogs from entering the walk through
> kangaroo areas. A dog being kicked by a kangaroo or
> bitten by a bunch of Lemurs would not go down too well
> with anyone. I believe the Park had quite a discussion
> with the authorities in the past.
>
> Best Wishes,
>
> Peter Dickinson
>
>  --- Mark Bleasdale <markcb@b...> wrote:
>
> ---------------------------------
>
> Paul
>
> Your original posting said that South Lakes Wild
> Animal Park's web
> site said that they would not admit blind people. In
> fact they can
> be admitted and are admitted at half price. What they
> will not admit
> are guide dogs.
>
> I have made no assumptions as to whether or not any
> zoo or wildlife
> park is accessible to any person with any disability.
>
> If should not be assumed that all blind people have a
> guide dog.
>
> I did say that guide dogs could be a vector of
> pathogens or
> parasites. I did not imply that they are more likely
> to do so than
> any other animal or inanimate object. I said they
> could be
> such a vector because they were the animal at issue.
>
> Humans may be vectors or may themselves be infected
> from
> zoo animals. This is why many zoos take precautions to
> minimise this
> risk such as separating visitors from primates by
> glass. Primates
> are our closest relatives and they are at risk of
> human-
> borne disease and vice-versa. Other precautions are
> asking visitors
> to wash their hands before/after handling animals.
>
> Zoos need to admit visitors despite the risks because
> most depend
> heavily on admission fees for a substantial portion of
> their income.
>
> Zoos do not always deal with these risks adequately. A
>
> good example of this is the steps taken by many zoos
> when they re-
> opened after the foot and mouth endemic in 2001.
> Vehicles were
> required to drive over mats soaked in disinfectants
> and visitors
> required to walk over similar mats. These precautions
> were totally
> inadequate. Picornaviridae viruses would need to be in
> constant
> contact with the disinfectant for at least 30 minutes
> for it to be
> effective.
>
> I am no legal expert and cannot comment on whether the
> South Lakes
> Animal Park is contravening the DDA 1995. However, I
> have sought
> advice on this matter and am waiting for a response.
>
> Regards
>
> Mark
> --- In UK-Zoos@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Paterson"
> <arranman@a...>
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Mark,
> >
> > Just to clarify this guide dog business. South Lakes
> state that
> they
> > will not let guide dogs enter their park as is any
> other animal.
> >
> > By saying this then South Lakes are (1) breaking the
> law under the
> > Terms of the DDA 1995, (2)stopping one group of
> paying visitors
> and
> > (3) have no legal claim to stop guide dogs from
> entering their
> park.
> >
> > You are wrong in saying that "does it say that blind
> people are
> > prohibited from entering the park". By stopping the
> guide dog then
> > you are stopping the blind person, thus the blind
> person can not
> > enter and the law has been broken.
> >
> > I totally disagree with your assumption that dogs
> especially guide
> > dogs can pass on pathogenes into the park comapred
> to that of the
> > walking public or any other body or vehicle.
> >
> > Never make assumptions that blind people, and blind
> people with
> guide
> > dogs, and that of deaf people can not enter an
> establishment such
> as
> > a zoo or wildlife park.
> >
> > Regards
> > Paul P.
> >
> > --- In UK-Zoos@yahoogroups.com, "Mark Bleasdale"
> <markcb@b...>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > I am no fan of the South Lakes Wild Animal Park
> but I do not
> think
> > > that they should be misrepresented.
> > >
> > > I have just had a look at their web site. No where
> on their site
> > > does it say that blind people are prohibited from
> entering the
> > Park.
> > > It does say that they do not admit guide dogs or
> any other
> animals.
> > >
> > > I agree with this policy. Guide dogs may be well
> trained but
> that
> > > does not mean that they could not introduce
> pathogens or
> parasites
> > > into the Park. Equaly, they could be infected by
> pathogens or
> > > parasites from the Park's animals.
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In UK-Zoos@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Paterson"
> <arranman@a...>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Having read the website of South Lakes Wild
> Animal Park today,
> I
> > > > noticed that the park stops any and all Blind
> People who use a
> > > guide
> > > > from entering the Park.
> > > >
> > > > Under the terms of the Disability Discrimination
> Act 1995
> (DDA) -
> > > > Goods & Services, Section 3. It states that NO
> Service
> Provider
> > > will
> > > > cause discrimination in the way they offer their
> services to
> > > disabled
> > > > persons. The Service Provider must be seen to be
> offering the
> > same
> > > > service to all persons be it non-disabled and
> disabled. In
> other
> > > > words the Wildlife Park is actually breaking the
> law and as
> such
> > > any
> > > > disabled person who feels that they have been
> treated less
> fairly
> > > > than their non-disabled counterparts, can persue
> their claim
> via
> > > any
> > > > court. The fine for any business or servise
> provider is not
> set,
> > > > which means it can be anything the Judge feels
> fit.
> > > >
> > > > I find it highly sad that such a park in the UK
> has failed to
> > > > understand the law especially that of the DDA. I
> can only hope
> > the
> > > > owner sees right.
> > > >
> > > > Regards
> > > > Paul P.
>
>
>
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Don't quote me on this and I am not on the defensive
but I recollect a conversation with David re Guide
Dogs. They are not permitted for the safety of the
dogs. Large groups of free roaming lemurs could be a
problem for the dogs. There is also the necessity of
banning any dogs from entering the walk through
kangaroo areas. A dog being kicked by a kangaroo or
bitten by a bunch of Lemurs would not go down too well
with anyone. I believe the Park had quite a discussion
with the authorities in the past.

Best Wishes,

Peter Dickinson

  --- Mark Bleasdale <markcb@...> wrote:

---------------------------------

Paul

Your original posting said that South Lakes Wild
Animal Park's web
site said that they would not admit blind people. In
fact they can
be admitted and are admitted at half price. What they
will not admit
are guide dogs.

I have made no assumptions as to whether or not any
zoo or wildlife
park is accessible to any person with any disability.

If should not be assumed that all blind people have a
guide dog.

I did say that guide dogs could be a vector of
pathogens or
parasites. I did not imply that they are more likely
to do so than
any other animal or inanimate object. I said they
could be
such a vector because they were the animal at issue.

Humans may be vectors or may themselves be infected
from
zoo animals. This is why many zoos take precautions to
minimise this
risk such as separating visitors from primates by
glass. Primates
are our closest relatives and they are at risk of
human-
borne disease and vice-versa. Other precautions are
asking visitors
to wash their hands before/after handling animals.

Zoos need to admit visitors despite the risks because
most depend
heavily on admission fees for a substantial portion of
their income.

Zoos do not always deal with these risks adequately. A

good example of this is the steps taken by many zoos
when they re-
opened after the foot and mouth endemic in 2001.
Vehicles were
required to drive over mats soaked in disinfectants
and visitors
required to walk over similar mats. These precautions
were totally
inadequate. Picornaviridae viruses would need to be in
constant
contact with the disinfectant for at least 30 minutes
for it to be
effective.

I am no legal expert and cannot comment on whether the
South Lakes
Animal Park is contravening the DDA 1995. However, I
have sought
advice on this matter and am waiting for a response.

Regards

Mark
--- In UK-Zoos@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Paterson"
<arranman@a...>
wrote:
>
> Hi Mark,
>
> Just to clarify this guide dog business. South Lakes
state that
they
> will not let guide dogs enter their park as is any
other animal.
>
> By saying this then South Lakes are (1) breaking the
law under the
> Terms of the DDA 1995, (2)stopping one group of
paying visitors
and
> (3) have no legal claim to stop guide dogs from
entering their
park.
>
> You are wrong in saying that "does it say that blind
people are
> prohibited from entering the park". By stopping the
guide dog then
> you are stopping the blind person, thus the blind
person can not
> enter and the law has been broken.
>
> I totally disagree with your assumption that dogs
especially guide
> dogs can pass on pathogenes into the park comapred
to that of the
> walking public or any other body or vehicle.
>
> Never make assumptions that blind people, and blind
people with
guide
> dogs, and that of deaf people can not enter an
establishment such
as
> a zoo or wildlife park.
>
> Regards
> Paul P.
>
> --- In UK-Zoos@yahoogroups.com, "Mark Bleasdale"
<markcb@b...>
wrote:
> >
> > I am no fan of the South Lakes Wild Animal Park
but I do not
think
> > that they should be misrepresented.
> >
> > I have just had a look at their web site. No where
on their site
> > does it say that blind people are prohibited from
entering the
> Park.
> > It does say that they do not admit guide dogs or
any other
animals.
> >
> > I agree with this policy. Guide dogs may be well
trained but
that
> > does not mean that they could not introduce
pathogens or
parasites
> > into the Park. Equaly, they could be infected by
pathogens or
> > parasites from the Park's animals.
> >
> >
> > --- In UK-Zoos@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Paterson"
<arranman@a...>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Having read the website of South Lakes Wild
Animal Park today,
I
> > > noticed that the park stops any and all Blind
People who use a
> > guide
> > > from entering the Park.
> > >
> > > Under the terms of the Disability Discrimination
Act 1995
(DDA) -
> > > Goods & Services, Section 3. It states that NO
Service
Provider
> > will
> > > cause discrimination in the way they offer their
services to
> > disabled
> > > persons. The Service Provider must be seen to be
offering the
> same
> > > service to all persons be it non-disabled and
disabled. In
other
> > > words the Wildlife Park is actually breaking the
law and as
such
> > any
> > > disabled person who feels that they have been
treated less
fairly
> > > than their non-disabled counterparts, can persue
their claim
via
> > any
> > > court. The fine for any business or servise
provider is not
set,
> > > which means it can be anything the Judge feels
fit.
> > >
> > > I find it highly sad that such a park in the UK
has failed to
> > > understand the law especially that of the DDA. I
can only hope
> the
> > > owner sees right.
> > >
> > > Regards
> > > Paul P.




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Sorry to have came across overhanded with this posting and my
aplogies for any ill-feeling omongst any person or any park. However,
what I am trying to say hear is that no park or zoo has the legal
right to stop a blind person from bringing in their guide dog if they
use one.

Although the website does not say that blind people are not allowed
it does say, no guide dogs, which means those who are blind and use a
blind dog are being barred from entering the park, thus making it
unlawful under the terms of the DDA. All blind persons can enter that
we all know, but by stopping the guide dog then you are stopping
those who use them.

I shall give you an example where the law has been used;

Issue
Mr R is blind. He was refused entry to a local restaurant in the
Midlands with his assistance dog.

Outcome
Once the the restaurant owner realised that he was in breach of the
DDA, he agreed to pay compensation of £500, to change his policy on
the admission of assistance dogs and to advertise that change in the
restaurant window.

Interest
This was one of many cases involving disabled people being refused
entry to resuarants and pubs with assistance dogs.

You can find out all you want to know about the DDA and how all
business, companies, shops, zoos, parks, etc must comply with the DDA
and how it affects you by looking at the Disability Rights Commission
Website at www.drc-gb.org or by looking at the Open 4 all website at
www.open4all.org

I am not picking one establishment here but showing you all that no
establishment has the legal right to bar or stop any person for any
reason, be it a wheelchair from entering a nightclub to a blind
person with their guide dog from entering a zoo. The days of
saying "can not come in with that or because of this and that" are
long gone and are Victorian in attitude and best left there.

Regards
Paul P.

--- In UK-Zoos@yahoogroups.com, "Mark Bleasdale" <markcb@b...> wrote:
>
> Paul
>
> Your original posting said that South Lakes Wild Animal Park's web
> site said that they would not admit blind people. In fact they can
> be admitted and are admitted at half price. What they will not
admit
> are guide dogs.
>
> I have made no assumptions as to whether or not any zoo or wildlife
> park is accessible to any person with any disability.
>
> If should not be assumed that all blind people have a guide dog.
>
> I did say that guide dogs could be a vector of pathogens or
> parasites. I did not imply that they are more likely to do so than
> any other animal or inanimate object. I said they could be
> such a vector because they were the animal at issue.
>
> Humans may be vectors or may themselves be infected from
> zoo animals. This is why many zoos take precautions to minimise
this
> risk such as separating visitors from primates by glass. Primates
> are our closest relatives and they are at risk of human-
> borne disease and vice-versa. Other precautions are asking visitors
> to wash their hands before/after handling animals.
>
> Zoos need to admit visitors despite the risks because most depend
> heavily on admission fees for a substantial portion of their income.
>
> Zoos do not always deal with these risks adequately. A
> good example of this is the steps taken by many zoos when they re-
> opened after the foot and mouth endemic in 2001. Vehicles were
> required to drive over mats soaked in disinfectants and visitors
> required to walk over similar mats. These precautions were totally
> inadequate. Picornaviridae viruses would need to be in constant
> contact with the disinfectant for at least 30 minutes for it to be
> effective.
>
> I am no legal expert and cannot comment on whether the South Lakes
> Animal Park is contravening the DDA 1995. However, I have sought
> advice on this matter and am waiting for a response.
>
> Regards
>
> Mark
> --- In UK-Zoos@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Paterson" <arranman@a...>
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Mark,
> >
> > Just to clarify this guide dog business. South Lakes state that
> they
> > will not let guide dogs enter their park as is any other animal.
> >
> > By saying this then South Lakes are (1) breaking the law under
the
> > Terms of the DDA 1995, (2)stopping one group of paying visitors
> and
> > (3) have no legal claim to stop guide dogs from entering their
> park.
> >
> > You are wrong in saying that "does it say that blind people are
> > prohibited from entering the park". By stopping the guide dog
then
> > you are stopping the blind person, thus the blind person can not
> > enter and the law has been broken.
> >
> > I totally disagree with your assumption that dogs especially
guide
> > dogs can pass on pathogenes into the park comapred to that of the
> > walking public or any other body or vehicle.
> >
> > Never make assumptions that blind people, and blind people with
> guide
> > dogs, and that of deaf people can not enter an establishment such
> as
> > a zoo or wildlife park.
> >
> > Regards
> > Paul P.
> >
> > --- In UK-Zoos@yahoogroups.com, "Mark Bleasdale" <markcb@b...>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > I am no fan of the South Lakes Wild Animal Park but I do not
> think
> > > that they should be misrepresented.
> > >
> > > I have just had a look at their web site. No where on their
site
> > > does it say that blind people are prohibited from entering the
> > Park.
> > > It does say that they do not admit guide dogs or any other
> animals.
> > >
> > > I agree with this policy. Guide dogs may be well trained but
> that
> > > does not mean that they could not introduce pathogens or
> parasites
> > > into the Park. Equaly, they could be infected by pathogens or
> > > parasites from the Park's animals.
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In UK-Zoos@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Paterson" <arranman@a...>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Having read the website of South Lakes Wild Animal Park
today,
> I
> > > > noticed that the park stops any and all Blind People who use
a
> > > guide
> > > > from entering the Park.
> > > >
> > > > Under the terms of the Disability Discrimination Act 1995
> (DDA) -
> > > > Goods & Services, Section 3. It states that NO Service
> Provider
> > > will
> > > > cause discrimination in the way they offer their services to
> > > disabled
> > > > persons. The Service Provider must be seen to be offering the
> > same
> > > > service to all persons be it non-disabled and disabled. In
> other
> > > > words the Wildlife Park is actually breaking the law and as
> such
> > > any
> > > > disabled person who feels that they have been treated less
> fairly
> > > > than their non-disabled counterparts, can persue their claim
> via
> > > any
> > > > court. The fine for any business or servise provider is not
> set,
> > > > which means it can be anything the Judge feels fit.
> > > >
> > > > I find it highly sad that such a park in the UK has failed to
> > > > understand the law especially that of the DDA. I can only
hope
> > the
> > > > owner sees right.
> > > >
> > > > Regards
> > > > Paul P.

Paul

Your original posting said that South Lakes Wild Animal Park's web
site said that they would not admit blind people. In fact they can
be admitted and are admitted at half price. What they will not admit
are guide dogs.

I have made no assumptions as to whether or not any zoo or wildlife
park is accessible to any person with any disability.

If should not be assumed that all blind people have a guide dog.

I did say that guide dogs could be a vector of pathogens or
parasites. I did not imply that they are more likely to do so than
any other animal or inanimate object. I said they could be
such a vector because they were the animal at issue.

Humans may be vectors or may themselves be infected from
zoo animals. This is why many zoos take precautions to minimise this
risk such as separating visitors from primates by glass. Primates
are our closest relatives and they are at risk of human-
borne disease and vice-versa. Other precautions are asking visitors
to wash their hands before/after handling animals.

Zoos need to admit visitors despite the risks because most depend
heavily on admission fees for a substantial portion of their income.

Zoos do not always deal with these risks adequately. A
good example of this is the steps taken by many zoos when they re-
opened after the foot and mouth endemic in 2001. Vehicles were
required to drive over mats soaked in disinfectants and visitors
required to walk over similar mats. These precautions were totally
inadequate. Picornaviridae viruses would need to be in constant
contact with the disinfectant for at least 30 minutes for it to be
effective.

I am no legal expert and cannot comment on whether the South Lakes
Animal Park is contravening the DDA 1995. However, I have sought
advice on this matter and am waiting for a response.

Regards

Mark
--- In UK-Zoos@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Paterson" <arranman@a...>
wrote:
>
> Hi Mark,
>
> Just to clarify this guide dog business. South Lakes state that
they
> will not let guide dogs enter their park as is any other animal.
>
> By saying this then South Lakes are (1) breaking the law under the
> Terms of the DDA 1995, (2)stopping one group of paying visitors
and
> (3) have no legal claim to stop guide dogs from entering their
park.
>
> You are wrong in saying that "does it say that blind people are
> prohibited from entering the park". By stopping the guide dog then
> you are stopping the blind person, thus the blind person can not
> enter and the law has been broken.
>
> I totally disagree with your assumption that dogs especially guide
> dogs can pass on pathogenes into the park comapred to that of the
> walking public or any other body or vehicle.
>
> Never make assumptions that blind people, and blind people with
guide
> dogs, and that of deaf people can not enter an establishment such
as
> a zoo or wildlife park.
>
> Regards
> Paul P.
>
> --- In UK-Zoos@yahoogroups.com, "Mark Bleasdale" <markcb@b...>
wrote:
> >
> > I am no fan of the South Lakes Wild Animal Park but I do not
think
> > that they should be misrepresented.
> >
> > I have just had a look at their web site. No where on their site
> > does it say that blind people are prohibited from entering the
> Park.
> > It does say that they do not admit guide dogs or any other
animals.
> >
> > I agree with this policy. Guide dogs may be well trained but
that
> > does not mean that they could not introduce pathogens or
parasites
> > into the Park. Equaly, they could be infected by pathogens or
> > parasites from the Park's animals.
> >
> >
> > --- In UK-Zoos@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Paterson" <arranman@a...>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Having read the website of South Lakes Wild Animal Park today,
I
> > > noticed that the park stops any and all Blind People who use a
> > guide
> > > from entering the Park.
> > >
> > > Under the terms of the Disability Discrimination Act 1995
(DDA) -
> > > Goods & Services, Section 3. It states that NO Service
Provider
> > will
> > > cause discrimination in the way they offer their services to
> > disabled
> > > persons. The Service Provider must be seen to be offering the
> same
> > > service to all persons be it non-disabled and disabled. In
other
> > > words the Wildlife Park is actually breaking the law and as
such
> > any
> > > disabled person who feels that they have been treated less
fairly
> > > than their non-disabled counterparts, can persue their claim
via
> > any
> > > court. The fine for any business or servise provider is not
set,
> > > which means it can be anything the Judge feels fit.
> > >
> > > I find it highly sad that such a park in the UK has failed to
> > > understand the law especially that of the DDA. I can only hope
> the
> > > owner sees right.
> > >
> > > Regards
> > > Paul P.

Hi Mark,

Just to clarify this guide dog business. South Lakes state that they
will not let guide dogs enter their park as is any other animal.

By saying this then South Lakes are (1) breaking the law under the
Terms of the DDA 1995, (2)stopping one group of paying visitors and
(3) have no legal claim to stop guide dogs from entering their park.

You are wrong in saying that "does it say that blind people are
prohibited from entering the park". By stopping the guide dog then
you are stopping the blind person, thus the blind person can not
enter and the law has been broken.

I totally disagree with your assumption that dogs especially guide
dogs can pass on pathogenes into the park comapred to that of the
walking public or any other body or vehicle.

Never make assumptions that blind people, and blind people with guide
dogs, and that of deaf people can not enter an establishment such as
a zoo or wildlife park.

Regards
Paul P.

--- In UK-Zoos@yahoogroups.com, "Mark Bleasdale" <markcb@b...> wrote:
>
> I am no fan of the South Lakes Wild Animal Park but I do not think
> that they should be misrepresented.
>
> I have just had a look at their web site. No where on their site
> does it say that blind people are prohibited from entering the
Park.
> It does say that they do not admit guide dogs or any other animals.
>
> I agree with this policy. Guide dogs may be well trained but that
> does not mean that they could not introduce pathogens or parasites
> into the Park. Equaly, they could be infected by pathogens or
> parasites from the Park's animals.
>
>
> --- In UK-Zoos@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Paterson" <arranman@a...>
> wrote:
> >
> > Having read the website of South Lakes Wild Animal Park today, I
> > noticed that the park stops any and all Blind People who use a
> guide
> > from entering the Park.
> >
> > Under the terms of the Disability Discrimination Act 1995 (DDA) -
> > Goods & Services, Section 3. It states that NO Service Provider
> will
> > cause discrimination in the way they offer their services to
> disabled
> > persons. The Service Provider must be seen to be offering the
same
> > service to all persons be it non-disabled and disabled. In other
> > words the Wildlife Park is actually breaking the law and as such
> any
> > disabled person who feels that they have been treated less fairly
> > than their non-disabled counterparts, can persue their claim via
> any
> > court. The fine for any business or servise provider is not set,
> > which means it can be anything the Judge feels fit.
> >
> > I find it highly sad that such a park in the UK has failed to
> > understand the law especially that of the DDA. I can only hope
the
> > owner sees right.
> >
> > Regards
> > Paul P.