We have a vicroad (per se) its called Vicroads Directory. Its as close as
youll ever get to a vicway. The UBD Melbourne has great coverage Nar Nar
Goon/Pakenham/Gisbourne/Bacchus Marsh/all the Mornington
Peninsula/Warburton/Torquay/Geelong


>From: "Phillip Peng" <ephillippeng@...>
>Reply-To: aussiehwys@yahoogroups.com
>To: <aussiehwys@yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: RE: [aussiehwys] Future Brisway? (was Sydway v UBD)
>Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 16:18:48 +1000
>
>I would buy it too...
>
>It would be cool also to have a Vicway...
>________________________________________
>From: sam laybutt [mailto:crazyknightsfan@...]
>Sent: Thursday, 7 August 2003 11:25 AM
>To: aussiehwys@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: RE: [aussiehwys] Future Brisway? (was Sydway v UBD)
>
>That'd be a sweet street directory. I'd buy it.
>
>
> >From: Lachlan Sims <lachlansims@...>
> >Reply-To: aussiehwys@yahoogroups.com
> >To: aussiehwys@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: RE: [aussiehwys] Future Brisway? (was Sydway v UBD)
> >Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 05:55:54 -0700 (PDT)
> >
> >I can just imagine the possible "Brisways" and what
> >coverage it might have ... given the one-upmanship
> >Sydway has with UBD and coverage.
> >
> >Maybe we'd see a "Brisway" covering from Gympie to
> >Murwillumbah and west to Toowoomba?
> >
> >One can only dream :)
> >
> >Perhaps a better name would be "SEQway"? (pronounced
> >"skeway")
> >
> >lachlan
> >
> >--- Karma Police <krool@...> wrote:
> > > At 04:58 PM 8/6/2003 +1000, you wrote:
> > > >I met one of the GIS people from Universal
> > > Publishers [UBD/Gregories
> > > >publishers] last week - they are about to start
> > > changing their data
> > > >storage and manipulation systems and they tell me
> > > to expect some
> > > >exciting changes!
> > >
> > > *grin* I wonder why. Nevertheless, Brisbane and the
> > > adjacent coasts require
> > > something that is as detailed as a Melways, so bring
> > > it on!
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > Michael
> > >
> > >
> >
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I still dont undertsnad why they cant differentiate between NH/NR shields or
even use the right colour, Surely a little field research that goes into the
maps u would drive past the shields and notice. Damn mapmakers, we need
lachlan to go back there and represent those who know something about roads
and fix all the errors



>From: "ma_teng" <ma_teng@...>
>Reply-To: aussiehwys@yahoogroups.com
>To: aussiehwys@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [aussiehwys] Re: Sydway v UBD
>Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2003 08:11:41 -0000
>
>--- In aussiehwys@yahoogroups.com, "sam laybutt"
><crazyknightsfan@h...> wrote:
> > >Sydway shows toll roads as purple a-la american maps, which does
>come in
> > >handy for avoiding the tolls
>
>Well, it's more royal blue than purple, but you're right about
>avoiding tolls!
>
>The 2004 Sydway is notable in that it is the first in a while to have
>no significant new features or coverage extension.
>
>It has made a few changes (based on some humble suggestions I sent to
>them), such as more careful distinctions between green and blue
>colouring on the Eastern/Western Distributor and Cahill Expressway,
>the tunnel/ramp connecting the City West Link to Anzac Bridge as
>green and not red, and some shield additions and corrections
>throughout.
>
>However, Sydway resolutely refuse to mark the "F3" as N1 or to use
>yellow on green or black on white colouring for NR/NH symbols, and
>you can still find the odd shield error if you look carefully enough
>(eg the Metroad 1 shield on the Cahill at Circular Quay).
>
>They also refuse to colour Metroad 1 at the airport as green, unlike
>UBD.
>
>So here we may see the end of significant expansion of Sydway. Roll
>on SeQway, as has been said!
>
>M.
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--- In aussiehwys@yahoogroups.com, "Gareth Ignatius"
<suitangi@o...> wrote:
> I personally find it weird that the signage hasn't changed on that
section
> of F3 freeway. They even have a welcome to Sydney sign at the end
of the F3
> freeway. I didn't know that suburbs like Berowra was considered as
part of
> the Central Coast...

Well, according to the Australian Bureau of Statistics, the Sydney
metropolitan area (what the ABS calls the "Sydney Statistical Division")
now includes the two Central Coast councils of the City of Gosford and
Wyong Shire - which I think is a bit stupid because it's not
geographically, culturally or economically part of Sydney. I think the
ABS uses the United States Bureau of Census definition of "what is
part of a metropolitan area" - the BoC says "if a certain percentage of
the workforce commutes to the central city from Xyz County, then Xyz
County is part of the Metropolitan Statistical Area". By that definition,
the two Local Government Areas on the Central Coast would definitely
be part of Metropolitan Sydney - but I think that definition is highly
fallible.

Bring back Cumberland County, I say! The only problem with that is
that the boundaries of Local Government Areas are not conterminous
with the Cumberland Co. boundary, and there are some areas which are
definitely part of Metro Sydney which are just outside it (e.g. Camden
and Emu Plains). But I think for the purposes of Metroads, Cumberland
Couny's boundaries or that general location would make a good
start/end point:

* Metroad 1 (north) - F3 bridge over the Hawkesbury River
* Metroad 1 (south) - end of the F6 (northern segment) at Bulli Tops
* Metroad 2 - bridge over the Hawkesbury River at Windsor (though the
current terminus is close enough and avoids any overlap with State
Route 69 or Metroad 9)
* Metroad 4 - M4 bridge over the Nepean River at Penrith (this would
mean the last 2km of motorway would be Nat Route 32 - best to keep it
as it is)
* Metroad 5 - F5 bridge over the Nepean River near Pheasants Nest
(sounds good to me)

Regards,
Bradley.

----- Original Message -----
From: "ma_teng" <ma_teng@...>
To: <aussiehwys@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2003 6:11 PM
Subject: [aussiehwys] Re: Sydway v UBD


> --- In aussiehwys@yahoogroups.com, "sam laybutt"
> <crazyknightsfan@h...> wrote:
> > >Sydway shows toll roads as purple a-la american maps, which does
> come in
> > >handy for avoiding the tolls
>
> Well, it's more royal blue than purple, but you're right about
> avoiding tolls!
>
> The 2004 Sydway is notable in that it is the first in a while to have
> no significant new features or coverage extension.
>
> It has made a few changes (based on some humble suggestions I sent to
> them), such as more careful distinctions between green and blue
> colouring on the Eastern/Western Distributor and Cahill Expressway,
> the tunnel/ramp connecting the City West Link to Anzac Bridge as
> green and not red, and some shield additions and corrections
> throughout.
>
> However, Sydway resolutely refuse to mark the "F3" as N1 or to use
> yellow on green or black on white colouring for NR/NH symbols, and
> you can still find the odd shield error if you look carefully enough
> (eg the Metroad 1 shield on the Cahill at Circular Quay).
>
> They also refuse to colour Metroad 1 at the airport as green, unlike
> UBD.

Have they coloured that section green in the UBD now? I've always known it
to be a section that is coloured yellow in the UBD...

Anyways who cares? The speed limit around that area is only 70km/h.

> So here we may see the end of significant expansion of Sydway. Roll
> on SeQway, as has been said!
>
> M.
>
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I've started a new Database for details of major routes in Sydney on the
Aussiehwys Forum... I ought to create a Sydney Folder. Anyway I've started
with the M6. Go to the website to see what I'm jabbering on about.

Anyone can edit it, or create their own.

BTW, name the sections of road from North-South, because I didn't think
about this cause I went from Lidcombe to Carlingford (south-north). if you
don't get it, you could figure it out when you've seen what (minor) cock up
I'm on about.

Vi.

Melway extended to Geelong in the 80's, and then to Gisborne,
Phillip Island, Angelsea, Lorne, Nar Nar Goon. But I guess there
will be no extension for Sydway to Newcastle, as there is half way
between, the Central Coast Sydway. I reckon that'll eventually
include Newcastle, and may be Sydway will include Wollongong. It
might as well, it reached Waterfall. UBD has Citylink though, four
in one.

What do you think of Gregory's, even though it is UBD in a different
format? It classifies Metroads as blue. And one other thing that UBD
is good for, the Sydney truckies editions, if they are used. I don't
know. But I'm sure they would be useful, and they had the large
spread for each page. I used to think UBD was better, well in a way
they are neater, but Melway is far more detailed, and at least you
know if a traffic island, roundabout, divided road etc is coming up,
and it details restrictions, because it has the room, something
which UBD Melbourne considered with Melways competition. Still,
Melbourne UBD is very thick, and divided roads are too big on the
map, particularly in the CBD.

Josh

This is a bit off topic, but some may be interested in discussing the
upcoming shake-up of Local Government authorities in NSW.

The Local Government Minister, Mr Tony Kelly, has written to every
council in NSW asking them to sumbit to him asking them to express
their views on local government reform and in particular boundary
changes.

Here are some of the official or semi-official proposals and
suggestions made by councils in NSW:

Goulburn City/Mulwaree Shire/Gunning Shire/Crookwell Shire
It is proposed that Mulwaree Shire be dissolved and its areas
absorbed by an expanded Goulburn, Crookwell and Gunning.

Glen Innes Council/Severn Shire
Both have agreed to voluntarily merge.

Grafton City
Wants to expand its boundaries.  However, counter to this is Pristine
Waters Shire, which wants all of the existing Grafton City south of
the Clarence River.

Queanbeyan City/Yarrowlumla Shire
Queanbeyan wants to absorb all of the eastern part of Yarrowlumla
Shire, with the isolated western section to be divided between Yass
and Tumut Shires.

Orange City
Wants to expand its boundaries.

Tamworth City/Parry Shire
Parry Shire may be absorbed by Tamworth City.

Gosford City/Wyong Shire/Lake Macquarie City
This is unofficial, but one rumour suggested the merger of all three
of these councils.  This would create the largest LGA population
wise, in NSW.

Manly/Warringah/Pittwater
Even though Pittwater de-amalgamated from Warringah in the late
1980s, one rumour has the possibility of a new Northern Beaches
council.

Fairfield/Holroyd
A merger of these would create another mega-council.

Burwood/Strathfield/Canada Bay
An obvious merger of three small councils.

South Sydney/Leichhardt/Marrickville
A possible new Inner South/SouthWest council.

Randwick/Botany Bay
This may also include parts of Woollahra and/or Waverley.

Quirindi Shire
Has proposed a boundary extension to include a small part of Gunnedah
Shire and most of Murrurundi and Nundle Shires, which if comes about
will mean Murrurundi and Nundle are no longer viable LG entities.

Albury City/Hume Shire
Hume Shire is vehemently opposed to a boundary extension of Albury
City which proposes to absorb all but a small western section of Hume
Shire, essentially rendering it obsolete.  The remaining part of Hume
will probably go to Corowa Shire.

It is the NSW Local Government minister's concept that any shire with
a population of 5,000 or less is inefficient and on the chopping
block basically.

Current councils with less than a 5000 population base are (in order
of population, smallest to largest):
Nundle, Conargo, Urana, Jerilderie, Bingara, Murrurundi, Barraba,
Brewarrina, Merriwa, Gunning, Central Darling, Boorowa, Holbrook,
Tallaganda, Murrumbidgee, Bombala, Balranald, Severn, Yallaroi,
Carrathool, Walcha, Bogan, Manilla, Warren, Lockhart, Tumbarumba,
Weddin, Hay, Bourke, Rylstone, Gundagai, Harden, Coolah, Coolamon,
Culcairn, Copmanhurst, Guyra, Crookwell, Oberon, Gilgandra, Wakool,
Quirindi, Coonamble, Gloucester

I'd be interested to hear any other thoughts or comments on this
issue.


Lachlan

--- josh3185 <s2108697@...> wrote:
> But I guess there  will be no extension for Sydway
> to Newcastle, as
> there is half way
> between, the Central Coast Sydway. I reckon that'll
> eventually
> include Newcastle, and may be Sydway will include
> Wollongong. It
> might as well, it reached Waterfall. UBD has
> Citylink though, four
> in one.

Sydway would be one huge volume, but I'm sure there
would be some feasibility to extend its coverage.  If
you consider Sydway's western extent to Mt Victoria,
then translate that to the south-west and it is the
same distance to Bowral (so most of the Southern
Highlands towns could be included), south to beyond
Shellharbour (so maybe throw in Kiama area for good
measure), and north to Swansea (which is basically the
Sydway Central Coast).

>
> What do you think of Gregory's, even though it is
> UBD in a different
> format? It classifies Metroads as blue. And one
> other thing that UBD
> is good for, the Sydney truckies editions, if they
> are used. I don't
> know. But I'm sure they would be useful, and they
> had the large
> spread for each page.

The UBD and Gregorys are really targeted at different
markets.  UBD is (or was) the primary directory for
business and trades people in Sydney, with just about
every professional driver using one (as well as a few
non-professionals).  Gregorys on the other hand is
targeted to the kind of people who don't often use
their directory, let alone have it open on the seat or
stuffed on the dash.  Gregorys is supposedly designed
to fit in the average size glove box.

Lachlan

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--- humehwy31 <humehwy@...> wrote:
> But the only things that REAL pioneers -

<snip>

  all they can
> really look forward to is an OAM after their name,
> perhaps Australian Of
> The Year if they're lucky, and if they're REALLY
> lucky they'll get their ugly
> mug on the $10 or $20 banknote well after they're
> dead.

Or maybe a memorial seat in a national park that will
rot away after a few years, or perhaps even an odd
denomination postage stamp that no one will ever use
...

> Yea, I thought that the Lotteries headquarters were
> in Burwood from Day One.

I think they may have moved out to Burwood following
the introduction of "Lotto" (when they needed more
space etc, for obvious reasons).  I believe the "NSW
Lotteries" (the one where you used to have to look up
the numbers in the paper to see if you won) was going
on quite a lot longer than that.


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Tamworth City/Parry Shire
Parry Shire may be absorbed by Tamworth City.

>> Parry, Manilla and Nundle are working with Tamworth City with a
merger date set of 1st July 2004

This might be a little inaccurate because I wrote down this boundary description based on my observations of a 1928 H.E.C. Robinson's Sydney suburban  street directory - the good folks at the State Libraryo f NSW wouldn't let me photocopy them, unfortunately, and  rightly so - photocopying is BAAAAAD  for fragile old maps!

 

>> Try the Dept of Local Govt, they would have some info that might be of help: http://www.dlg.nsw.gov.au

Few more comments :)

Glen Innes Council/Severn Shire
Both have agreed to voluntarily merge.

>> These councils are in a very interesting position [similar to
Parry/TCC] in that you can see the opposing council administration
centres from each others admin centre....

Queanbeyan City/Yarrowlumla Shire
Queanbeyan wants to absorb all of the eastern part of Yarrowlumla
Shire, with the isolated western section to be divided between Yass
and Tumut Shires.

>> Amalgamation by Stealth really, really all done and dusted before the
letters came out

Tamworth City/Parry Shire
Parry Shire may be absorbed by Tamworth City.

>> Adding to my last, Barraba council are interested in either going
towards the new 'SuperCouncil' out of Tamworth or Bingara council.

The new council will be 'to my calcs' bigger then the state electorate
of Tamworth and will cover in fact 3 state electorates!   The merger
will be really for TCC a merger of 'convienence' due to the fact that
the Water Supplies for Tamworth City sit inside Nundle Shire Council

Gosford City/Wyong Shire/Lake Macquarie City
This is unofficial, but one rumour suggested the merger of all three
of these councils.  This would create the largest LGA population
wise, in NSW.

>> This one would cause a concern with the State Govt IMHO

Quirindi Shire
Has proposed a boundary extension to include a small part of Gunnedah
Shire and most of Murrurundi and Nundle Shires, which if comes about
will mean Murrurundi and Nundle are no longer viable LG entities.

>> Quirindi want to stand on their own - but there is a concern that
they cannot afford to fund any boundary extension, there is also talk of
them taking the southern tip of Parry which borders Quirindi.


There has also been talk of there being a new council based around the
bathurst area....

For anyone interested, here is a map of current Lgov areas -
http://www.dlg.nsw.gov.au/dlg/dlghome/documents/Downloads/MAP_LOCALAREAS
INNSWCOLOUR.GIF

It's been a while than I didn't posted here -_-; I wondered if there some
freeways projects at Adelaide?

And with the huge popularity of actors Paul Hogan and Steve Irwin (aka the
Crocodile Hunter) around the world.  I wondered if there any streets,
boulevards, avenues, parks named as a tribute to them?

thanks for reading

Stéphane Dumas
PS: I don't know if there also some Australian Ford Fairlane fans but I
found this mailing list devoted to the Aussie Ford Fairlane
http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/australianfairlaneclub/

For anyone interested, here is a map of current Lgov areas -
http://www.dlg.nsw.gov.au/dlg/dlghome/documents/Downloads/MAP_LOCALAREAS
INNSWCOLOUR.GIF



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A few years ago, I read in the Herald Sun that Wentworth council
wanted to be part of Victoria. I remember the council saying that
melbourne was closer to sydney, and that they used mildura
facilities (such as the hospital). I don't think that's going ahead
now!

Viseth



--- In aussiehwys@yahoogroups.com, "Thomas 'bacco|007' Baxter"
<bacco007@l...> wrote:
>
> For anyone interested, here is a map of current Lgov areas -
>
http://www.dlg.nsw.gov.au/dlg/dlghome/documents/Downloads/MAP_LOCALAR
EAS
> INNSWCOLOUR.GIF

The famous "Opera House Lottery" would have been part
of that too ...

--- Bradley Torr <humehwy31@...> wrote:
> Hi Lachlan,
>
> Jack Lang started the first state lottery in NSW in
> 1931, to raise  money for the hospitals (while there
> was no Medicare or National Health Service at the
> time, hospitals were largely funded by untied grants
> from the state government, similar to benevolent
> asylums - and hospitals were under huge pressure not
> from malnutrition and mental disorders due to the
> economic Depression, but also the skyrocketing rate
> of motor vehicle  accidents - the road fatality toll
> in NSW  increased umpteen-fold from 1920 to 1930  -
> add to that the squeeze on govt revenue due to the
> Depression, and Jack Lang found the NSW State
> Lottery an attractive way to raise money f or the
> hospitals.
>


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--- Thomas 'bacco|007' Baxter <
[RE: Queanbeyan/Yarrowlumla]
> >> Amalgamation by Stealth really, really all done
> and dusted before the
> letters came out

There's two possibilities: Queanbeyan wants the full
eastern section of Yarrowlumla.  Yarrowlumla know's
its days are numbered, as much as it wants to remain
as is, and prefers a division of its eastern area to
Gunning, Tallaganda, and Queanbeyan.

[RE: Gosford/Wyong/Lake Mac]
> >> This one would cause a concern with the State
> Govt IMHO

Yes, this is one situation where a "super council" may
become too big for its own good and definitely give
the State govt another force to be reckoned with.

It seems that for regional NSW, a majority of the
mergers are going to be based on super councils
centred around the major cities.


Lachlan

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--- Stéphane_Dumas <stephdumas@...> wrote:
> It's been a while than I didn't posted here -_-; I
> wondered if there some
> freeways projects at Adelaide?

Adelaide doesn't really "believe" in freeways. ;)
>
> And with the huge popularity of actors Paul Hogan
> and Steve Irwin (aka the
> Crocodile Hunter) around the world.  I wondered if
> there any streets,
> boulevards, avenues, parks named as a tribute to
> them?
>

Generally in Australia (often due to local by-laws)
streets/roads/thoroughfares are not named after people
that are still living.

Nonetheless, neither of these "actors", in my opinion,
have contributed anything much to Australian culture
except maybe embarrassment, so its doubtful anyone
would name a feature after them.  Irwin does have his
private "Australia Zoo" in Beerwah, Queensland though.
  Hogan, as far as I know, lives in the US most of the
time now, having sold his retreat in the hills west of
Byron Bay.


Lachlan

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There are some streets named after famous bands from the 1970's,
like Santana Court, Pink Court, Floyd Court, down near Old Noarlunga
way. By the way, is the Port-River Expressway actually going to be
an expressway, because on maps the road under construction is just
shown as a dashed arterial road, rather than a dashed freeway.

Josh

What about Richard Benaud Place in Sydney's west?

Actually, now I've had time to think about it ...
there are some locations in Australia where
streets/roads are named after the living.

I know of many places in the greater Brisbane area.

One is the McDowall area of Brisbane, where a majority
of the streets are named after famous stars of stage
and screen, both living and dead.

All over Brisbane, though particularly in lower
socio-economic areas, you can find streets named after
such sporting greats as Lewis, Hauff, Carne, Vautin,
Miles, Bella, Lindner etc.  (Of course, being Qld,
they're all maroons.)


Lachlan

--- josh3185 <s2108697@...> wrote:
> There are some streets named after famous bands from
> the 1970's,
> like Santana Court, Pink Court, Floyd Court, down
> near Old Noarlunga
> way. By the way, is the Port-River Expressway
> actually going to be
> an expressway, because on maps the road under
> construction is just
> shown as a dashed arterial road, rather than a
> dashed freeway.
>
> Josh
>
>


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--- In aussiehwys@yahoogroups.com, Lachlan Sims <lachlansims@y...>
wrote:
> I can just imagine the possible "Brisways" and what
> coverage it might have ... given the one-upmanship
> Sydway has with UBD and coverage.
>
> Maybe we'd see a "Brisway" covering from Gympie to
> Murwillumbah and west to Toowoomba?
>
> One can only dream :)
>
> Perhaps a better name would be "SEQway"? (pronounced
> "skeway")

Try "seekway", like SEQEB which was pronounced seekweb, but now
renamed to Energex.
>
> lachlan
>
> --- Karma Police <krool@h...> wrote:
> > At 04:58 PM 8/6/2003 +1000, you wrote:
> > >I met one of the GIS people from Universal
> > Publishers [UBD/Gregories
> > >publishers] last week - they are about to start
> > changing their data
> > >storage and manipulation systems and they tell me
> > to expect some
> > >exciting changes!
> >
> > *grin* I wonder why. Nevertheless, Brisbane and the
> > adjacent coasts require
> > something that is as detailed as a Melways, so bring
> > it on!
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Michael
> >
> >
>
>
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The NSW gov't are really really reluctant to build a "directional-t"
interchange in Sydney. They've sprawled the M5/M7 interchange to
avoid 3 levels of bridges. Rediculous. And they've avoided a 4 level
stack, which probably would have been cheaper to build, but instead
they planned a 3-level, non-geometric interchange with too many
on/offramps and unnecessary tunnels. Screw wallgrove road. Don't
bother with an interchange there. There's too little space between
the M7 and wallgrove road to have an exit ramp for both roads. Same
goes for the Hume Hwy/M5/M7 interchange. And another bad thing about
tunnels at the M7/M4 interchange is the fact that you can't add
lanes to a tunnel. Yet another example of the RTA's lack of
foresight.

--- In aussiehwys@yahoogroups.com, "lachlansims" <lachlansims@y...>
wrote:
> Hey all,
>
> Found these really great maps of the M7 at:
>
> http://www.wso.net.au/wsomap/index.asp#
>
> On the main map, hover over the section you're interested in.
Then
> click and a customised Sydway map opens in a new window with
details
> of the M7 route and associated ramps/overpasses etc.
>
> Pretty cool stuff.
>
>
> lachlan

--- trentthomson <trentthomson@...> wrote:
> Try "seekway", like SEQEB which was pronounced
> seekweb, but now
> renamed to Energex.

Even better! :)



lachlan

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--- In aussiehwys@yahoogroups.com, "trentthomson" <trentthomson@y...>
wrote:


> The NSW gov't are really really reluctant to build a "directional-t"


> interchange in Sydney. They've sprawled the M5/M7 interchange to


> avoid 3 levels of bridges.




They do that so they can maintain a high speed for motorway to
motorway interchanges.




Rediculous. And they've avoided a 4 level


> stack, which probably would have been cheaper to build, but instead


> they planned a 3-level, non-geometric interchange with too many


> on/offramps and unnecessary tunnels. Screw wallgrove road. Don't


> bother with an interchange there.




If the Westlink Motorway wasn't tolled, then yes take off the
Wallgrove interchange. But no...the road had to be tolled, so the
Wallgrove interchange is left there for local residents of Rooty Hill
and Mt Druitt that travel to the city and do not want to have to pay
the M7 toll.




There's too little space between


> the M7 and wallgrove road to have an exit ramp for both roads. Same


> goes for the Hume Hwy/M5/M7 interchange. And another bad thing about


> tunnels at the M7/M4 interchange is the fact that you can't add


> lanes to a tunnel. Yet another example of the RTA's lack of


> foresight.




Give me one example in Australia where a motorway-2-motorway
interchange ramp is more than one lane. Motorway spurs like the M5
east freeway of General Holmes Drive or the Harbour bridge of
Warringah Freeway are mpt included. Anyways, tunnels are a lot tidier
than all four levels above ground. It reduces the overall height of
the M4/M7 interchange by more than 10 metres.




>


> --- In aussiehwys@yahoogroups.com, "lachlansims" <lachlansims@y...>


> wrote:


> > Hey all,


> >


> > Found these really great maps of the M7 at:


> >


> > http://www.wso.net.au/wsomap/index.asp#


> >


> > On the main map, hover over the section you're interested in.


> Then


> > click and a customised Sydway map opens in a new window with


> details


> > of the M7 route and associated ramps/overpasses etc.


> >


> > Pretty cool stuff.


> >


> >


> > lachlan