Hey all,

I've lost track of who has my new phone number and who doesn't. So, here it is:
(for some of you again)

(248) 230 - 6498

Please do NOT text me, as I no longer have that service (and YOU can pay the 15
cents per..)
I am with Nextel now and if you are too, and want my DC number, just let me
know.

Cheers!
-Adam

p.s. If you are receiving messages from me and no longer wish to, please let me
know that as well.


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My Dearest Friends,

   This was posted on a forum I belong to. I think it needs to be shared here.
Please read it from begining to end before you pass judgement on what's being
said here. These actions, and others like them, may be the only chance we have
of leaving a free country for our children and grandchildren.

   - AJM


   Passive:

   - Know your facts! Don't spread misinformation or unverifiable stories.
- Do not pay taxes. Any.
- Do not buy food in packages, or that is shipped from anywhere further away
than you can travel yourself.
- Buy only organic / naturally farmed / raised foods.
- Grow / raise food.
- Make clothing.
- Manufacture whatever you can manufacture.
- Barter.
- Buy energy saving appliances. Start with lightbulbs - it's an easy primer; get
the curly kind. Look for the "Energy Star" label on appliances.
- Use freon tubing instead of conventional AC.
- Make sure all south-facing windows on your home are unobstructed.
- Install skylights.
- Install solar panels; install far more than you need for your own energy use,
and sell the extra power back into the grid.
- Plant trees *where there are no trees* (and where trees are unlikely to grow
otherwise), especially food trees like fruiting trees and nutting trees. Plant
hemp *everywhere*.
- Investigate and invest in alternative energy sources (solar, wind, tidal,
geothermal, hydrogen, whatever rocks you like a hurricane).
- Walk or bike.
- Don't use gasoline for anything; don't burn oil for anything.
- Don't eat out. Save your money. Forever.
- Don't do any business with anyone you don't know. If you need service from a
business, get to know someone that works there. If the company is too large for
you to know someone or even try to - it's too big to ever be anything but a
pointless danger and a certain drain on the world around you.
- Don't seek revenge. Don't mete out punishments. Forgive.
- Don't feel bad if you can't do it all. Do as much as you can and accept
yourself inasmuch as you can convince yourself to reach just... a little...
bit.... higher.


   Active:

   - Tell the truth!
- Fight disinformation on all sides; don't let unverifiable stories get
momentum, don't give in to paranoia. Stay real, and *confront* disinformation
when you encounter it. Don't let it go by without challenge.
- Be loud. Be vocal. Don't shut up. Don't shy away.
- Protest early, protest often, protest vigorously, protest cogently.
- Be active. Neighborhood council, city government, state government, federal
governmet. Call your congressional reps *constantly* - make a fucking nuisance
of yourself. Leave messages. Stay on hold.
- Makes signs. Freely distribute them. Put them about. Yes. Now. Do it.
- Quit your job if you don't know every single individual that works for your
employer.
- Quit your job if you discover they're bad for the world around you. (good
golly did *my* life ever change when i took that step)
- Find a job at which you know everyone involved with the enterprise, from the
bottom up.
- Stop police from doing illegal things; video them, cellphone-video them, yell
at them to stop, collect their badge numbers, file complaints. It's difficult to
file a complaint; they'll try to talk you out of it and may threaten or
otherwise seek to indimidate or discourage you. Don't be intimidated - document
the entire experience. Remain. File that complaint. And then do it again.
Immediately.
- Introduce yourself to your neighbor.
- Help your neighbor. Suggest passive revolution to your neighbor; if s/he digs
it, suggest active revolution to your neighbor.
- Sabotage the efforts of wrongdoers whenever and wherever possible: free people
you saw being arrested for bullshit (like, oh, protesting for instance) from
police cars, take a chunk out of an elbow of the highway with a nice hefty
mattock, send junk mail from one company to another company in yet another
company's paid-postage commercial envelopes (stuff as *much* as possible in
there), be on the lookout for any opportunity to fuck shit up.
- Raise the level of energy. Make your times crackle with danger and
opportunity.
- See your ideals as goals to strive for and *achieve* - don't fantasize about
things you can't and won't do. Do them.
- *Have fun* and *look good* when you're out there doing stuff. Make it look
fucking cool and sexy, and make it fun as hell. Have an explosively good time.
- Take very good care of yourself and take very good care of other people around
you, no matter how you feel about them individually. Love them.
- ORGANIZE. Get people together. Meet, discuss. Regular is good - once weekly,
say. Workshop stuff I forgot to mention, and then come back and tell me about
it, so I can tell my people and then we can do what you're doing.



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Salutations all!

We are desperately in need of a "go to" guy/gal or two. I need
someone to do some onsite walk-throughs with me to keep me from
impulse shopping, being blind to the glaring faults, and generally
leaping before I look. I need someone with experience (this is a
must!) to help me hammer out the last details of the written
business plan and offer suggestions on dealing with banks, venture
capitalists, and investors. Let's be honest; I need a silent partner
or two.
(Phred, if you're still interested, you are my first choice, but I
need to hear something solid soon.)
I'm committed to this and I need someone who can get excited and get
onboard. I'm tired of dicking around..

You ALL have permission to call me anytime: (313) 330-1526 this is
Jaime's business cell.

Let's roll!

Yours in the Bean,
  Adam (and Jaime too)

Salutations all!

We are desperately in need of a "go to" guy/gal or two. I need
someone to do some onsite walk-throughs with me to keep me from
impulse shopping, being blind to the glaring faults, and generally
leaping before I look. I need someone with experience (this is a
must!) to help me hammer out the last details of the written
business plan and offer suggestions on dealing with banks, venture
capitalists, and investors. Let's be honest; I need a silent partner
or two.
(Phred, if you're still interested, you are my first choice, but I
need to hear something solid soon.)
I'm committed to this and I need someone who can get excited and get
onboard. I'm tired of dicking around..

You ALL have permission to call me anytime: (313) 330-1526 this is
Jaime's business cell.

Let's roll!

Yours in the Bean,
  Adam (and Jaime too)

Hi All!

    I just wanted to send a quick note to let you all know that we have internet
access at the house (finally!) so postings should be more frequent and of
greater quality, ie; actually informative, from here on out. I will also be much
more available and quicker to answer questions/comments.
    In personal news, we have finally moved out of the ghetto, and back to the
land of trees, water, and folks who don't shank you for a cigarette. It's good
to be home.
    More news to come. No, really this time..

   Your over-caffeinated velociraptor,
    Adam (and Jaime too)

   p.s. This message is being sent to both individuals and groups, so I apologize
if it seems impersonal or you receive it twice.


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Worked on ConVocation for 6 years, attended for 7. Attended an
organization room party the 8th year. Don't recall the coffee.

While i'm thinking about it.
What i want in a coffee house:
1. Nights of relative quiet, only the conversation of customers. This
is conducive to writers' groups and the like.
2. Poetry and Prose nights.
3. Limited number of live music nights.
4. If we must have canned music, a variety of styles and genres and
not high decibels.
5. GOOD coffees and some teas.
6. Limited varieties but good quality eats.

anyhoo.

Vireo (aka Denise)

There already exists caffiene in suppository form. Not only that, at
Penguicon we hand out caffienated soap. I'm glad you had a good time at
ConVocation, but I've been there and although it's fun, the coffee sucks. At
Penguicon we take our coffee so seriously, I lead a Coffee Ritual on Sunday
morning. http://wiki.penguicon.org/CoffeeRitual
-Matt Arnold


On 2/27/06, Adam <ajmwolfe1@...> wrote:
>
>  Hi All!
>
> Wow! Nobody's posted anything in years! I have enough news to fill a
> Sunday edition! I've been drinking coffee by the bucket! Wow! This is
> getting tiresome..
>
>
> So, how are you all doing? What have you been up to? I spent this
> past weekend at ConVocation, chatting folks up, making connections,
> smoking way too much and way too late at night, and trying to invent
> a form of caffeine taken in suppository form. Ok, one of those
> statements is false. With enough coffee, there's no such thing as too
> late at night. Bless you, Juan Valdez!
>
> I want to let those of you who may care know where the dream has
> taken us so far. Things are going in some weird and very cool
> directions. Unfortunately, the library I'm at is closing, and I need
> more time to type it all. Expect a long message in the next few days.
>
> Yours in the bean,
> Adam (and Jaime too)
>
>
>
>
>
>  Viva la vie boheme, Viva cafe!
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Hi All!

  Wow! Nobody's posted anything in years! I have enough news to fill a
Sunday edition! I've been drinking coffee by the bucket! Wow! This is
getting tiresome..


  So, how are you all doing? What have you been up to? I spent this
past weekend at ConVocation, chatting folks up, making connections,
smoking way too much and way too late at night, and trying to invent
a form of caffeine taken in suppository form. Ok, one of those
statements is false. With enough coffee, there's no such thing as too
late at night. Bless you, Juan Valdez!

  I want to let those of you who may care know where the dream has
taken us so far. Things are going in some weird and very cool
directions. Unfortunately, the library I'm at is closing, and I need
more time to type it all. Expect a long message in the next few days.

Yours in the bean,
  Adam (and Jaime too)

All right Adam you finally are getting a reply of sorts from moi, the Trixies
host guy. Although the declining of being at your probably way over the top new
years eve party is only due to the reason of trying to stay home and make an
actual count of the gunshots in my neighborhood at the turning of the clock from
one year to the next.  (possible only by setting a recording device in a
sheltered area, heading for cover, then running the results through a counting
program which came up with a figure of 18,834 last year which was all in a four
minute period) I do prefer to be here for new years because of all the amature
drunks  on the road and i expect all of the Kwami supporters will be extra
partyish this year and break out the fully automatics this year which should
allow for a much higher count by 0005: 1/1/06.

   Now to your praise of Hamtown (no not maligning the muslim population) I
rarely travel there because in all of the hundreds of thousands of miles I have
hitchiked, walked or, driven it is the only place in all of North America (of
which i have been from end to end corner to corner) that has had the good sense
to arrest me in. Now I know it probably is a whole new breed of law enforcement
officer than the night I was arrested for doing nothing other than being with a
skank looking hippie guy who couldn't keep his damn mouth shut other than to say
"lawyer please"; I knew enough Polish at the time to understand what the two
front seaters meant when they said the words "alley stop" in that rather twisted
language. Not hard to beat prisoners when they are cuffed and not able to swing
back, I don't think Officer Jarameleski expected the kick in the nuts he got
from a manacled sailor home on leave for his sisters wedding...but got it he did
and was even more pissed off that he sent the
  skank to the hospital and my shit got beat senseless then thrown out because My
attorney was the judges third cousin. anyway since that day in 1972 or 3, I have
visited that city less than 5 times a record i am somewhat proud of...now if you
venture to open your small shop in that area i will gird my loins, steel my soul
and do as i have committed to do which is also host to the best of my ability a
Thursday night open mic...but as far as New Years Eve i will have to decline
your gracious invitation for the reasons explained even though there was a lot
of un-necessary verbiage used in the explanation.

   Peace All

   Mark

Adam <ajmwolfe1@...> wrote:

Hello All!

I know this is late notice, but there will be a New Years Eve Party at the
Hamtramck
Slack Palace (AKA our house) this Saturday. Our housemate M Squared has been
hosting this party for three years and running now, and it is always a blast. We
anticipate first arrivals around 4pm, and will be partying for an ungodly number
of
hours. Last year, the last of the guests trickled home well after the sun rose;
not
counting the ones who crashed there, of course. You are all cordially invited to
follow
suit. (c:
Call Jaime for directions:  248-835-8719
Failing that, try me (Adam) at: 313-330-1526
At some point that night, we will be discussing locations, brainstorming on how
we
want this run, pondering shoestrings, and other fine things. Currently on the
table is
the possibility of a few places up for lease here in the Ham, a building in
Berkley, and
a storefront in Clawson.
In years gone by, I never would have considered Hamtramck, but having lived
here,
and seen the rich cultural diversity and amazingly cool little shops to discover
(read;
thriving shopping district, ample parking, solid foot traffic, and easy access
from
Wayne State and other schools, local businesses and institutions) I am giving it
a lot
of serious thought. Plus, Hamtramck recently reinstated their own police force,
so the
safety issues that plague Detroit are not such a problem here. It merits further
investigation, to say the least.
I welcome all of your opinions, and hope you will join us this weekend. I wish
you all
a happy, healthy, and let's hope prosperous 2006.

Cheers!
Adam (and Jaime too!)





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Hello All!

  I know this is late notice, but there will be a New Years Eve Party at the
Hamtramck
Slack Palace (AKA our house) this Saturday. Our housemate M Squared has been
hosting this party for three years and running now, and it is always a blast. We
anticipate first arrivals around 4pm, and will be partying for an ungodly number
of
hours. Last year, the last of the guests trickled home well after the sun rose;
not
counting the ones who crashed there, of course. You are all cordially invited to
follow
suit. (c:
Call Jaime for directions:  248-835-8719
Failing that, try me (Adam) at: 313-330-1526
At some point that night, we will be discussing locations, brainstorming on how
we
want this run, pondering shoestrings, and other fine things. Currently on the
table is
the possibility of a few places up for lease here in the Ham, a building in
Berkley, and
a storefront in Clawson.
  In years gone by, I never would have considered Hamtramck, but having lived
here,
and seen the rich cultural diversity and amazingly cool little shops to discover
(read;
thriving shopping district, ample parking, solid foot traffic, and easy access
from
Wayne State and other schools, local businesses and institutions) I am giving it
a lot
of serious thought. Plus, Hamtramck recently reinstated their own police force,
so the
safety issues that plague Detroit are not such a problem here. It merits further
investigation, to say the least.
  I welcome all of your opinions, and hope you will join us this weekend. I wish
you all
a happy, healthy, and let's hope prosperous 2006.

Cheers!
  Adam (and Jaime too!)

<Note from MOD: This may be a personal message directed to Jaime, but I've
approved it as it includes mention of a meeting.  -AJM>


hey babe, sorry i never called back... but i figured if i called you crying,
it would just bring you down.
any how, my schedule is crazy, 'cause i'm working two jobs right now, plus a
couple of things on the side, but if you let me know when you want to meet i
can ask for that time off work.

I hope this doesnt become too  off topic,  but as were all coffee
lovers and   entrepreneurs of a kind,  it seemed appropriate.

I was recently introduced to  a new  Healthy coffee,  containing
extracts of an  ancient     Oriental  mushroom-Reishi- which  is
documented with  some incredible health benefits.

I've a site up  now featuring the products if anyone would like to
investigate further www.myganoexcel.ca/johnburt

There is scope to  distribute this as a corporate identity,  which
would  provide  some seed funding for  opening the store. I know
several members are familiar with  the  marketing model- any
feedback on views on using this as a vehicle to  help  us get along?

post here, or   conact me directly at   fences@...

Good Health!!!

Regards

John Burt, Windsor,Ontario

Hello all,
    Most who know us know about my newest health issuse., but all is
well right now and I am going home today. I really beleilve we need to
get everyone together for a meeting of the minds over the locale of the
coffee house let us know when a good time might be. We thank you all
for your support.

Yours in the Bean,
J'aime

Good looking out. I appreciate the input, and will be looking into
that area. Do you happen to have any contact information for the man
you were speaking with?
   No serious suggestions ignored; get posting people!  :oP

-AJM (and JLM too)

--- In boundandgrounds@yahoogroups.com, owen matson
<detroitredflower@y...> wrote:
>
> has there been any serious thinking about putting a
> coffee shop in downtown eastern market?
> I was just speaking with a property owner here who has
> been trying for the last few months to find a coffee
> shop to move into a high-profile comercial spot, he
> recently settled for having a clothing and futon shop
> move into the space. I think its highly porobable the
> space will become avialble again in the next year, and
> if not that than another space down here should have a
> coffee shop.

has there been any serious thinking about putting a
coffee shop in downtown eastern market?
I was just speaking with a property owner here who has
been trying for the last few months to find a coffee
shop to move into a high-profile comercial spot, he
recently settled for having a clothing and futon shop
move into the space. I think its highly porobable the
space will become avialble again in the next year, and
if not that than another space down here should have a
coffee shop.



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Hi Meredith,

   Greetings, salutations, and Welcome! Darn glad ya found us.
   I hope you have already looked through the message archives,
but if not, do so now. You'll find a pretty good idea of what we're
about in the first few messages. Please feel free to post any
notions, suggestions, or questions you may have.
   In the meantime, tell us a little about yourself. I can see that
you're from California, and you told me in your membership
request that you dig coffeehouses. Tell us more. What's the
appeal of nude quilting? Do you play your mandolin while
climbing rocks? Inquiring Mods want to know! ;o)
   Once again, welcome aboard, and we look forward to hearing
from you.

Yours in the Bean,
  Adam (and Jaime too)

<I found this in the "fluff" text of a porn-spam email. That alone
makes it worth passing along.  -AJM>


A brief history of coffee for the interested party:

Coffee was first discovered in Eastern Africa in an area we know
today as Ethiopia. A popular legend refers to a goat herder by the
name of Kaldi, who observed his goats acting unusually frisky after
eating berries from a bush. Curious about this phenomena, Kaldi tried
eating the berries himself. He found that these berries gave him a
renewed energy. The news of this energy laden fruit quickly spread
throughout the region.

Monks hearing about this amazing fruit, dried the berries so that
they could be transported to distant monasteries.They reconstituted
these berries in water, ate the fruit, and drank the liquid to
provide stimulation for a more awakened time for prayer.

Coffee berries were transported from Ethiopia to the Arabian
peninsula, and were first cultivated in what today is the country of
Yemen.

From there, coffee traveled to Turkey where coffee beans were roasted
for the first time over open fires. The roasted beans were crushed,
and then boiled in water, creating a crude version of the beverage we
enjoy today.

Coffee first arrived on the European continent by means of Venetian
trade merchants. Once in Europe this new beverage fell under harsh
criticism from the Catholic church. Many felt the pope should ban
coffee, calling it the drink of the devil. To their surprise, the
pope, already a coffee drinker, blessed coffee declaring it a truly
Christian beverage.

Coffee houses spread quickly across Europe becoming centers for
intellectual exchange. Many great minds of Europe used this beverage,
and forum, as a springboard to heightened thought and creativity.

In the 1700's, coffee found its way to the Americas by means of a
French infantry captain who nurtured one small plant on its long
journey across the Atlantic. This one plant, transplanted to the
Caribbean Island of Martinique, became the predecessor of over 19
million trees on the island within 50 years. It was from this humble
beginning that the coffee plant found its way to the rest of the
tropical regions of South and Central America.

Coffee was declared the national drink of the then colonized United
States by the Continental Congress, in protest of the excessive tax
on tea levied by the British crown.

Espresso, a recent innovation in the way to prepare coffee, obtained
its origin in 1822, with the innovation of the first crude espresso
machine in France. The Italians perfected this wonderful machine and
were the first to manufacture it. Espresso has become such an
integral part of Italian life and culture, that there are presently
over 200,000 espresso bars in Italy.

Today, coffee is a giant global industry employing more than 20
million people. This commodity ranks second only to petroleum in
terms of dollars traded worldwide. With over 400 billion cups
consumed every year, coffee is the world's most popular beverage. If
you can imagine, in Brazil alone, over 5 million people are employed
in the cultivation and harvesting of over 3 billion coffee plants.

Sales of premium specialty coffees in the United States have reached
the multi billion dollar level, and are increasing significantly on
an annual basis.


<So there ya go. The history of coffee according to "Hot Young
MILFS!.org" Are you as titillated as I am?>

Hey All,

  Well, it's been a busy few weeks for Jaime and I, but we never lost
sight of the golden ring. Here's what's new:
  The 12 & Woodward site has lost its top contender seat, replaced by
either a building for lease/sale by owner near Coolidge & Catalpa in
Berkley, or one for lease at 14 & Livernois in Clawson. Anyone who
might like to join us the day we do our walk-throughs let me know. We
haven't set a solid date/time yet.
  We are gathering investors and/or partners. We're a bit closer to
our start-up goal, but there is still a great need for more
interested parties. If you know anyone, or you are one, let us know
soon so we can sit down with the business plan, and figure out if
this is right for you/them. We are also choosing our staff of
baristas, managers, and brew or roast experts, not to mention book-
hawkers. These titles may change before opening. Maybe not. ;o) Let
us know if you want in. Many fringe benefits available. (If we have
cute girls in fringe, we ALL benefit!) *ow!* Jaime just kicked me..
no, she really did. *rubs shin*.
  Artists! Poets! Music-makers! Other people who can do cool stuff. We
need you! We're still offering wall and gallery space for all visual
arts, plus hosting weekly music and open-mic poetry nights. We need
featured artists, acts, and hosts for the many events we will have.
Mr. M.D. (some of you know who I mean) has already offered to host
our Thursday poetry nights. That leaves six days and 12 hours to fill
with fun and madness. C'mon people! Get on-board.
  Umm.. ok. Jaime says I have to go now. The CIA is having a bake-sale
or something. I'll write more when I can. If they ask, purple.

Yours in the Bean,
  Adam (and Jaime too)

p.s. Would anyone come if we were in Hamtramck? Just a thought.

Okay

1: Opening a new store
1a - In my humble opinion, the best time to open a new store is in the FALL.
If it's a highly urban area with schools nearby, and has good commuter
traffic to work.  ie Grosse Pointe, Mt Clemens...

1b - Summer/Spring in Rural areas, because lets face it...who wants to
trudge to a new coffee shop in 4 feet of snow. ie. Clarkston, Grayling

2: Locations

2a - CORNER CORNER CORNER space...

2b - In urban areas...near a school, or inside an office building, to
primarily supply business' with foods, coffee's etc. That way...you can walk
20 feet and deliver $100 worth of sandwiches to the office space above you.

2c - Don't even bother opening in a rural area...and if you do...the best
place, is a stand alone store...with lots of bright, but tactful colors and
parking space.

3: Where not to open a coffee shop...

3a - Where people will not go...ie I'm not racist by anymeans...but a
primarily black neighborhood, that has no business traffic whatsoever...ie
Schoennerr and Statefair

3b - A cliff

3c - In a cave

4: Heating costs...

4a - wow...this is a doosie, hard to call...Well...there is no way around
it. I cut a check for $1000.00 a month at my shop...count on that figure
being the middle of the run.

4b - Cooling costs...same as heating costs. Sometimes a bit more...because
of the damned dry cleaners next door.

5: Hidden costs

5a - Lets not forget sugar in the raw, sweet -n- low, equal, standard
granulated sugar, creamer, napkins, plastic spoons knifes and forks. Roughly
$100 a week, and people waste that stuff all the time. ESPECIALLY the
napkins.

6: Coffee...ahhh

6a - Coffee...well, where do we start. lets start with Tampers...When you
buy a new machine...lets say a LaCimballi Mestradon 3300 you get these
crummy plastic tampers...now every barista knows that a tamper is an
essential part to pulling a perfect shot of espresso. The best tampers out
there, for standard cafe usage is a Reg Barber...these are $28.00 wholesale
if you get a lot of 25, They have wooden handles and a stainless steel
base...I recomend getting the ones with the european curve. I'll explain the
science behind it when I see you next Adam.

6b - Suppliers...Some of the best coffee I know of...is Ancora, there are
several types of beans. Now lets be realistic...you're not going to be able
to open the shop using beans you roasted...too much in labor costs, time and
effort when trying to balance marketing, etc etc. I'll provide a list of
decent suppliers soon.

6c - Use the best espresso beans...use good coffee beans. Do flavor shots
into individual coffees...more $$$$ no flavored coffee...too much waste.

7: Demographics...weehaw

7a - Target kids, lonely housewives, people who want to be hip, and business
men/women. Steer clear of the 'urban' images...if they want coffee, they'll
stop in.

7b - I do about $150.00 in one hour from lonely housewives..Even more so in
the fall, and winter, they have children who are at school in these seasons.
People on the way to work...between 6a and 7a I will do about $100.00. Keep
in mind, sales will go down when it begins to get cold, because you have
alot of people who are late for work...because the colder it gets the darker
it is when they wake up, and it takes close to a week for their bodies to
transition into waking up at 5am when it feels like 3am because of the dark.
Ergo...people will settle with drinking that pasty black stuff at work,
because they got up late, and don't have time to get a coffee that tastes
fantastic...like yours will.

8: Nightlife...bleh

8a - Night life at my shop sucks...its highly discouraging. BUT Good deals
help...target the highschoolers with music, poetry, and give them a place to
hang around so they don't feel uncomfortable by people like Ryan and Neil
being dicks all night.

8b - Music...Take Trixies for example...that place is dead in the mornings,
its in a bad location, they have mediocre coffee, less than addiquate
machinery, not a very comfortable environment, its never comfortable
tempreture wise, and Ian is a jackass. But they sure to pack it in on
Tuesdays, Sundays, and anyother day they have music or poetry. It's a night
hub...You want a place that does about $100 an hour...and remain open for 15
hours...thats $1500 a day...if you can do that...I'll give you my shop..

9: Smoking...

9a - This is a touchy subject, I smoke...heavily, but there is no smoking in
my shop. Why? because Chocolate Cigarette Smoke Chip cookies don't sound too
good to me, the cost of filters and smokeeters are expensive...and to run
them its about $0.15 an hour. But if your target market is smokers...lets
eat those Chocolate Cigarette Smoke Chip cookies.




k...thats all for now, more later

- Steve

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Since there are two messages that I wanted to respond to in this one
email, I'll address both of them right here.

Jeff, I agree with you. Winter is a time when I can't stand being
stuck in the house, and it's too cold to stay outside. I spend a lot
of time drinking coffee and tea during the cold winter nights. I
think back to all the nights you and I spent at **** **** playing
chess and drinking coffee. Good times. :o)
We are working on our business plan right now. A lot of market
research is going into it. We are hoping to have all of the
documentation done by late December, making a March or April opening
the current goal. If you have experience in writing professional
business plans, we would DEFINITELY appreciate your assistance.
Contact me directly at ajmwolfe1@...

JT, I always value your input. Cost breakdowns for different times of
year; ie, what sells most and the varying seasonal costs, are high
among our considerations. As I pointed out in the last paragraph,
we're hoping for an early spring opening date. This should allow us
to catch the cool nights without getting murdered by the highest of
the heating costs. Of course, as the next few months go by, this may
get pushed back to May, or even early June. We just want to be open
for a while before summer comes. When the college kids come home for
the summer, we want their friends to already know we exist, and bring
them in.

I'm glad to see you all thinking and posting. We can't make this
happen without you. Keep those emails coming! :o)

Yours in the bean,
  Adam (and Jaime too)


---"Jeffrey A Thompson" <jathompson@u...> wrote:
>
> On the other hand, it is winter when they are looking for a place
inside to
> go.
>
>
>
> The biggest question is, what can your business plan handle?  Can
it handle
> the cost of heat, does it take the fluctuations in the market into
account?
> Do you have a business plan?
>
>
>
> Jeff
>
>
>
> Jeffrey A Thompson
>
>  <mailto:jathompson@u...> jathompson@u...
>
> 248-342-2233 cell
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>


--- "Jacques Treatment" Wrote:

> I note that this is why a lot of the places that do coffee drinks
also
> do sodas, ice creams, and the like.  I'll also note (and the
Europeans
> have figured this one out) that drinking coffee when it's hot helps
> equalize internal temperature with external temperature, and thus
cool
> a person off.
>
> Still, though, I know that if I was opening up a business, I
wouldn't
> want the times when the store was emptiest to be when I was
spending the
> most money to keep the place open, and with heating costs about to
reach
> a new high, it just doesn't make much sense to open a place during
the
> winter, when people are more likely to be huddling at home rather
than
> looking about for new places to go.
>
> --J

On the other hand, it is winter when they are looking for a place inside to
go.



The biggest question is, what can your business plan handle?  Can it handle
the cost of heat, does it take the fluctuations in the market into account?
Do you have a business plan?



Jeff



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I note that this is why a lot of the places that do coffee drinks also
do sodas, ice creams, and the like.  I'll also note (and the Europeans
have figured this one out) that drinking coffee when it's hot helps
equalize internal temperature with external temperature, and thus cool
a person off.

Still, though, I know that if I was opening up a business, I wouldn't
want the times when the store was emptiest to be when I was spending the
most money to keep the place open, and with heating costs about to reach
a new high, it just doesn't make much sense to open a place during the
winter, when people are more likely to be huddling at home rather than
looking about for new places to go.

--J


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Mark,

  Good eye for detail. I hereby remove your computer illiterate
status, take it upon myself for today and Good Rob until further
notice, and bestow upon you the title, "Third CompuNovice from
the Right".

Thanks Mark,
  Adam (and Jaime too)

p.s. Here's the link Rob was posting, withOUT a period at the
end. ;o)
http://www.indiecafealliance.com


--- In boundandgrounds@yahoogroups.com, mark durfee
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> Adam or whoever couldn't get the page to come up there is a
dot after the com....when you copy and paste the address int your
address bar leave out the dot after the com and the page will
come up
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> peace
>
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>
> Rob <goodrob@g...> wrote:
> I was just looking around and saw this
http://www.indiecafealliance.com. The page is flash
> based, which is kind of dumb, but it seems like a cool idea.
>
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peace

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I note that this is why a lot of the places that do coffee drinks also
do sodas, ice creams, and the like.  I'll also note (and the Europeans
have figured this one out) that drinking coffee when it's hot helps
equalize internal temperature with external temperature, and thus cool
a person off.

Still, though, I know that if I was opening up a business, I wouldn't
want the times when the store was emptiest to be when I was spending the
most money to keep the place open, and with heating costs about to reach
a new high, it just doesn't make much sense to open a place during the
winter, when people are more likely to be huddling at home rather than
looking about for new places to go.

--J

Rob wrote:
> M Squared has a point. If the store opens at the wrong time, it could be
costly. I have to
> believe that there will be seasonal cycles involved here. I am sure that our
friends from the
> heard as well as BigBux know this all too well. They also know that when their
heating
> costs are highest, they sell more hot beverages. Locations at Universities are
quite
> sensitive to the school calander. Places in downtown business districts are
not too busy on
> the weekends or in the evening. We must not, however, lost sight of the fact
that this
> business must be able to operate with a profit all year, or all we have is
another Brown
> Note. Don't misunderstand, I am not saying this coffee house/bookstore can or
should be
> profitable the first day/week/month/etc. It will take a while for the customer
base to
> discover the place. What I am saying is that once the corner is turned, it
really needs to
> stay that way. It can and must be done.
>
> I could go on, maybe take this in a few directions, IE: location, marketing,
financing, but I
> am really more interested in reading what others have to say - I am sick of
listening to
> myself type.

M Squared has a point. If the store opens at the wrong time, it could be costly.
I have to
believe that there will be seasonal cycles involved here. I am sure that our
friends from the
heard as well as BigBux know this all too well. They also know that when their
heating
costs are highest, they sell more hot beverages. Locations at Universities are
quite
sensitive to the school calander. Places in downtown business districts are not
too busy on
the weekends or in the evening. We must not, however, lost sight of the fact
that this
business must be able to operate with a profit all year, or all we have is
another Brown
Note. Don't misunderstand, I am not saying this coffee house/bookstore can or
should be
profitable the first day/week/month/etc. It will take a while for the customer
base to
discover the place. What I am saying is that once the corner is turned, it
really needs to
stay that way. It can and must be done.

I could go on, maybe take this in a few directions, IE: location, marketing,
financing, but I
am really more interested in reading what others have to say - I am sick of
listening to
myself type.







--- In boundandgrounds@yahoogroups.com, Jacques Treatment <jacques@t...> wrote:
>
> Related to the whole heating thing:  I know of a certain cafe in
> Sterling Heights whose ownership changed in the fall;  by the time
> winter was over, the place was under new ownership yet again.  You might
> want to wait until heating costs don't factor into things, when starting
> the business.
>
> On a related, amusing note, back where I lived in Boca Raton, Florida,
> there was a business called the Bagel Cafe--not really a cafe in any
> sense of the word, just a bagel-oriented deli-food-serving restaurant.
> During Florida's Tourist Season, the place was always packed... and this
> would always attract some new buyer, who would end up with the place in
> April or May (as the season ended).  The poor rube would fail to make a
> profit, and the original owner would buy the place back, generally at a
> better price, just as the Season started up again.
>
> The moral?  Know when to buy.
>
>
> Rob wrote:
> > A. The fixed costs associated with extra space are extra rent as we know,
but there is
also a
> > cost to heat (and cool) as well as labor hours required to keep the place
clean.
>

I was just looking around and saw this http://www.indiecafealliance.com. The
page is flash
based, which is kind of dumb, but it seems like a cool idea.

<comment by Mod: I couldn't get this page to come up, so I'm hoping you guys can
fill me in.>

Related to the whole heating thing:  I know of a certain cafe in
Sterling Heights whose ownership changed in the fall;  by the time
winter was over, the place was under new ownership yet again.  You might
want to wait until heating costs don't factor into things, when starting
the business.

On a related, amusing note, back where I lived in Boca Raton, Florida,
there was a business called the Bagel Cafe--not really a cafe in any
sense of the word, just a bagel-oriented deli-food-serving restaurant.
During Florida's Tourist Season, the place was always packed... and this
would always attract some new buyer, who would end up with the place in
April or May (as the season ended).  The poor rube would fail to make a
profit, and the original owner would buy the place back, generally at a
better price, just as the Season started up again.

The moral?  Know when to buy.


Rob wrote:
> A. The fixed costs associated with extra space are extra rent as we know, but
there is also a
> cost to heat (and cool) as well as labor hours required to keep the place
clean.

All of these are very good points, and well worthy of more research.
I appreciate the input that all of you are offering.
  Rob, I'd like an opportunity to sit down with you and work out some
of the details that require a more exacting eye than I can sometimes
manage. Expect to hear from me by phone. For anyone who might like to
talk in person, a few of us will be meeting tonight at Trixie's in
Roseville after 9pm. Look for the untamed red hair. ;o)

- AJM

--- In boundandgrounds@yahoogroups.com, "Rob" <goodrob@g...> wrote:
>
> Well, the 12 & Woodward location does seem to hold some promise. It
would, however be
> irresponsible of me not to play some Devil's advocate. I mean, the
market is going to be far
> tougher than I could. Here's my list of concerns;
>
> 1. No foot traffic (well very little)
> 2. Invisible from Woodward (unless you are looking for it and know
where to look)
> 3. Place has been empty for a few years - what does the rest of the
market know?
> 4. That extra space cuts both ways.
> A. The fixed costs associated with extra space are extra rent as we
know, but there is also a
> cost to heat (and cool) as well as labor hours required to keep the
place clean.
> B. Can you cover the build out for that much space?
> 5. How does the city of Berkley feel about allowing on site
roasting? No matter how much we
> might like the aroma, the neighbors might not want it. Anyone
familiar with the city
> leadership there?
>
> I am sure that your business plan already covers at least some of
these items, but since I
> have not had a chance to see it yet, these are my thoughts.
>

Well, the 12 & Woodward location does seem to hold some promise. It would,
however be
irresponsible of me not to play some Devil's advocate. I mean, the market is
going to be far
tougher than I could. Here's my list of concerns;

1. No foot traffic (well very little)
2. Invisible from Woodward (unless you are looking for it and know where to
look)
3. Place has been empty for a few years - what does the rest of the market know?
4. That extra space cuts both ways.
A. The fixed costs associated with extra space are extra rent as we know, but
there is also a
cost to heat (and cool) as well as labor hours required to keep the place clean.
B. Can you cover the build out for that much space?
5. How does the city of Berkley feel about allowing on site roasting? No matter
how much we
might like the aroma, the neighbors might not want it. Anyone familiar with the
city
leadership there?

I am sure that your business plan already covers at least some of these items,
but since I
have not had a chance to see it yet, these are my thoughts.

Hi all,

  I see we have a few new people. Huzzah!
  I invite all of you, new and old alike, to look through the message
archive and post your thoughts on what's been discussed, or tell me/us
what your feelings are on any related topic.
  Some people may be aware that we've been looking at the old Denny's at
12 and Woodward as one possible location. The more I pass that
building, the better it keeps looking to me. We'd have room to stretch
out without needing a second floor, there's ample parking, and plenty
of shopping traffic, being only a mile from downtown Berkley. The
closest competition seems to be the IHOP at kitty-corner, and the
Coffee Beanery half a mile south. The Beanery closes early, and IHOP
coffee sucks (and $1.70 a cup!!), so we should be able to get a good
size market there. What are your thoughts?

Yours in the Bean,
  Adam (and Jaime too)