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Re: Calgary Stoney Trail Update

--- In canroads@yahoogroups.com, "needbetterroads" <needbetterroads@...> wrote:
>
> Even with budget constraints, why would they not make it at least RIRO for the
Eastbound (which they haven't done) as well as Westbound (which they have done).
I can only imagine that some residents in that area will put up a real big stink
about that once the stretch opens all the way to QE-2
>
> ~needbetterroads

Alberta is good at doing these sorts of things as a systematic way of leveraging
change in a method of government funding, political initiatives, etc., by
getting the general public on-board their new 'methods'. In this case, the new
method is P3 funding to build highways.

The end user won't think much beyond all the pros and cons for any of this,
they'll just say, "Wow! It sure seems like the P3 funding/delivery of road
construction works so much faster AND better than the traditional government
funding! I mean why couldn't the government even afford a better interchange at
Shaganappi Trail??"

Basically make the alternative option seem so ludicrous by 'disinvesting' in it
so that everybody (most of them like blind sheep) subscribe to a new method (in
this case P3's) without much questioning/complaining.

Not saying this is bad in this situation, but you can see how applied elsewhere
in government affairs it could be perceived as an abuse of power. In this case
it just relieves the headache of ill-informed opinions and controversy from
public feedback, and the roads get built.

Another example of these systematic measures (not so much done by the Alberta
government, but the city of Edmonton) have also led to the decision this past
week by the city of Edmonton to shut down their City Centre Airport. By
implementing stricter and stricter measures of aircraft permitted to use the
runways and by not investing much in infrastructure maintenance, more of the
general public just wants the airport 'gone' now. A pretty effective way to get
people onside.

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Mon Jul 13, 2009 11:17 pm

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Stoney Trail NW is now open to traffic between Sarcee Trail NW and Harvest Hills Blvd. North as of this afternoon. :)...
Steve Perry
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Jul 11, 2009
12:32 am

... Now only if they could get rid of the traffic light!...
sammycaseyandjoey
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Jul 11, 2009
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that's a good news and I agree about that traffic light. Also someone posted videos of Stoney Trail at...
Stephane Dumas
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Jul 11, 2009
12:39 pm

I took a drive on it last night and looks good. One thing that puzzles me is that only a flyover was constructed at Shaganappi Trail, even though the ultimate...
Dan Muzika
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Jul 11, 2009
4:13 pm

I suspect it was perhaps due to budget constraints or they think there not enough traffic yet for a full cloverstack Another point to mention, is AB-201/Stoney...
sailordumas
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Jul 11, 2009
6:31 pm

... I can understand budget constraints and traffic counts for not building the full cloverstack, but if there already is a flyover (the most expensive part of...
Dan Muzika
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Jul 13, 2009
5:54 pm

Even with budget constraints, why would they not make it at least RIRO for the Eastbound (which they haven't done) as well as Westbound (which they have done)....
needbetterroads
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Jul 13, 2009
10:12 pm

... Alberta is good at doing these sorts of things as a systematic way of leveraging change in a method of government funding, political initiatives, etc., by...
o773r
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Jul 13, 2009
11:18 pm

... Although that debate has gone on, IIRC, for decades. So with the airport going, are we going to see Yellowhead completely reconstructed through there?...
captainbeowulf
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Jul 14, 2009
4:54 am

... Yes... the debate has gone on probably 40 years longer than it should have... it isn't a wonder that we've taken a backseat to Calgary lately... I think...
o773r
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Jul 14, 2009
5:54 am

... Hmmm. I remember voting YES in a plebiscite in the late 90's to shut it down. (Or maybe it was NO to keep it in operation) Either way, the "close it down"...
dellis76
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Jul 14, 2009
6:47 am

I took a drive on it too. Once this section from QE-2 to TCH-1 NW leg is completed;it still will not qualify TCH-1 and QE-2 on a freeway network. There are two...
sammycaseyandjoey
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Jul 12, 2009
12:06 am

... Centre St is already graded for and interchange and the final design of the Nose Hill interchange is currently underway. The province has stated that these...
dellis76
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Jul 12, 2009
3:10 am

Shaganappi at Stony Trail puzzles me as well. From watching the video, it appears that it isn't even RIRO on Eastbound Stony Trail, only westbound. Strange. ...
needbetterroads
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Jul 13, 2009
3:09 pm

Just looking at the pictures and video shown of the new highway. Why is it that Calgary's ring road gets exit numbering while Edmonton's doesn't? Yellowhead...
o773r
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Jul 14, 2009
5:56 am

... Another interesting feature of the exit numbering on Stoney Tr is... where does it originate? It increases as it heads to Deerfoot, and it's (if I remember...
dellis76
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Jul 14, 2009
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Speaking of the defunct Tsuu T'ina portion of the SW freeway, it looks like the alternatives are brewing. There are many good news articles about this for...
needbetterroads
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Jul 14, 2009
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