Pam,

What I note in your response, is how you set the tone for a time of online
intimacy. When you use the "rub minds" expression, along with the flow of your
thoughts brings into a moment of inner and joyful climax. Your frustrations
forces the spontaneity of the instant to jump out at us and you leave us with
the urge of anticipation to connect again with the responses!
To me, you response to Andrius by taking to yourself animales an online
live-love session. The kind of simple, wholesome, in-the-moment penetreation of
self within self, touching all selves, because relevant to your live humanity...
Such manifestation reveals the energy of pure delight of being partaker of the
organic produces from the Orchards of Thoughts.
Such connectivity fuels our focus and such dispositions inspires individually
while tuning the meaning of each group.
Such is the mind that can use money without abuse nor confuse because trust is
never in question.
Such is the current that lives on to drive the community cuurency I belong to
and it lives from well beyond what money can add up to.
The materialisation it produces reaches with much deeper satisfaction than
where any roots of depression and recession do.
Yes Minciu Sodas is organically growing live-love online. Just come and feed
on and feedback, it is all current and happening.
From my end, your letter Pam is an example of the clean zone of intimate
comfort that we are cultivating with God, between Helen and I that we call the
classroom of Spiritual Hygiene 101. Witnin such zone, relating is clean
because of complete trust and openess.
The limitations of our contact are geographical but we hope that our online
live-love continuity will materialise dreams into reality of relief for her and
her people in Tanzania, while providing a trail of experience for anyone to draw
from.
Can the classroom of Spiritual Hygiene 101 become a space where the current is
generated online with inter-personal passage from stranger to family until trust
is set to be functional, for the sake of materialising community currency from
thoughts to initiatives, throughout the lab's connectivity?

...all blessings be with us all...
Benoit Couture


Pamela McLean <pam@...> wrote:
Andrius Kulikauskas wrote:

>Pamela, I note that you lead our working group "learning from each
>other" http://groups.yahoo.com/group/learningfromeachother/ Please help
>us consider how we might focus some of our learning efforts on
>investigating our money minds! This would be a great subject for
>experimenting with online learning. Perhaps there is interest in Africa
>as well.
>
>
>
>
Interesting idea Andrius.

My experience of your ideas to date is that your ideas are Good Ideas -
so "Yes" - let's do as you suggest..

Or I could think about it before deciding....Let me think aloud about
what you are suggesting and how it ties in with my (developing) thoughts
about the learning from each other (LFEO) group. ....

I say I am "thinking aloud" here (rather than writing) because in
*writing* it is important to consider the reader (and to write
accordingly, and explain things)... but if I am *thinking* I am free -
because I do not have to explain myself to myself.

The great thing about thinking aloud (or talking to yourself) is that
you can assume that your listener shares your frame of reference ;-)
Also there is no need to explain linkages between apparently
disconnected lines of thought... so - knowing that you and I often
think on similar lines - I offer my thoughts.

Somewhere I have something that I wrote about barter and communities of
interest - maybe I can find it and post it here.

I love this cyfranog group. I love the thinking in it and the freshness
of ideas.

I've heard there was a Star Trek episode where they explained how it was
that money was not needed in their lives...

Of course issues of money are very relevant to the questions of ICT and
learning systems - ODL (Open and Distance Learning) Open Content,
FOSS,.creative commons etc... present discussions on various groups
relating to that.

What is that relationship with LFEO when John is already leading a
lively discussion in cyfranogi? Or is it just that Andrius is asking me
to comment on how we can learn about ICT use as we are studying money
here at cyfranogi

Presumably something to do with analysing *how* we are learning about
our idea of money - not just learning what our ideas of money are...
back to the interplay between "product and process" in project based
learning - and the interplay between "content and conduit" in ICT
enabled learning....

So if we take the idea of "investigating our money minds" as a project
within a project, we can learn about our money minds, and as we do we
can observe how, (as a group and as individuals) we are learning, and we
can also explore and learn how different ICT applications best help us
to learn together.....

Yes I still like that idea even after I've thought about it -

My mind is beginning to work on this now - and going in all directions..
The limitations of the technology is frustrating me - my typing is poor
- I hate the written word for developing ideas because the written word
is so linear - If we were F2F then I would have scrap paper out by now
and I would have gone through a series of scribbles while we tossed
ideas back and forth and the scribbles would explore ideas and
structures and relationships and information flows and possibilities and
what might and might not work and how things could shape up... but I'm
stuck with words on a keyboard.. yuk..

And now I'm getting really interested and I have a pile of other stuff I
should be doing before I sleep - but if we get this right all then in
future stuff like the stuff I should be doing would be done much more
effectively...

Let's get started Andrius....

What will we call this project in a project in a project?.... You
obviously have vision for it - and your focus is always much clearer
than mine...

I guess that the discussion at cyfranogi generates the content - and
then we have a related discussion on LFEO regarding the structuring and
development of the learning experience and best uses of ICTs - benefits
and limitations of different kinds of social software: roles and
dynamics within the community of interest - that kind of stuff...

Is that the kind of thing you have in mind?

BTW A trivial aside ref Africa.... When I'm in Ago-Are working on
the InfoCentre project (for nothing - a working holiday) people
connected with the project bring me gifts of food - more food that I
can possibly eat - yams, bananas, wild honey, maize. mangoes... The
project there is about bringing useful information to people in
effective ways - for personal and community development. The local
problem regarding food supply is not really about lack of food - it's
about lack of effective systems for food processing and storage. Much
goes to waste.

When I have a better system for people to be able to learn together I
will be able to set up lots more Special Interest Groups - all working
on different projects. I would like one of the SIGs to "rub minds" on
how the InfoCentre in Ago-Are (and others elsewhere) could set up food
processing systems. People in the community who stand to benefit from
the InfoCentre (but cannot support it financially or pay for its
services with money) could bring "gifts" (or "investments", or
"payments") of food. They would give this food, not to me, but to the
InfoCentre - to help to sustain it.

Thanks to the work of the SIG People at the InfoCentre would know how to
take the food and add value to it through a food processing system. I
imagine it would probably be solar drying in the first instance
(building on the practical work of a wonderful man called Yves who lives
near Jos) but other ideas and experiences and technologies would also
be welcome in our SIG. Through its generation of income, through its
food processing system, the InfoCentre would be able to offer services
to the community in a more affordable way. Or at least that's what I
tend to think when I'm there and people bring me gifts of food - and
when I see beautiful mangoes rotting on the ground.

Is this a Good-Idea/BadIdea? I have no way of judging until I get a SIG
doing some project based learning to find out. And before I can invite
people in for that SIG I have to get better systems in place to enable
effective informal learning through the Internet. Maybe this money
project will be the one that helps us to develop an effective system for
other SIGs

I like this idea. Thank you Andrius - and thank you John for stimulating
the discussion.to generate the content - and for already raising issues
of effective ways of structuring and analysing the information you are
collecting.

I can't probably can't check my mailbox again until well into tomorrow
evening. I will be longing to see if there are any developments of
these thoughts.

Pam
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