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I just read OpenCola's technology overview.

http://www.opencola.com/software/octech.html

Interesting they're wanting to do better than Akamai at caching content
closer to the user. I believe this could work, if they attain critical mass.
Also interesting is that they're not using XML-RPC or SOAP.

My comment: I think XML-RPC or SOAP could do what they do. I don't know
their business model, or if their goal is to get lots of compatible nodes.
If would seem so, XML-RPC would, by far, be the best choice. SOAP would be
second, and a new flavor of XML-over-the-wire, imho, a distant third.

I know some OpenCola people are here on this list, so I thought it would be
interesting to learn why they're gambling on a new wire format, instead of
joining up with the existing formats. It's a lot of work to get developers
to swing together. It would also be interesting to support them in our
software, but that's more work for us if they use something different.

Dave

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I just read OpenCola's technology overview. http://www.opencola.com/software/octech.html Interesting they're wanting to do better than Akamai at caching...
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... I don't really care about this issue one way or the other, but I can't resist. Let's imagine that OpenCola does use XML-RPC or SOAP. What now? Anybody who...
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... Nice to see I made your sig. Now if Taco or Hemos would just *DO IT* already. ;-> Anyway, it's always good to use established interfaces, the people who...
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... There's a big difference, though. Without xml-rpc you would need to get each client and server to agree on the syntax of the calls; xml- rpc or soap just...
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Question: why have both XML-RPC and SOAP, Dave? This has been an enduring mystery for me. A note about OpenCola's protocol - they use XPath, which is unusual...
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Lucas, why have Windows and Mac? The day Windows came out, would it be reasonable to expect all Mac users to disappear? There is momentum in XML-RPC. Just a...
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... I guess I always suspected that. Another question: is there any possibility of unifying XML-RPC and SOAP? ... MS. MS. MS. It's not bad to hate your...
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Howdy, ... There was some discussion about this on the XML-RPC mailing list[1]. Ken MacLeod pointed[2] at a "HOWTO: Converting XML-RPC implementations to ...
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I guess it's time to stop lurking. By way of a quick introduction, my name is Joey deVilla, and I'm the Director of Developer Relations (and accordion player)...
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Nice to see you here, Joey. A question: do the URLs use fixed addressing based on domains and IPs, or do they support functional addressing a la Gnutella?...
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... Most of this makes sense (document-oriented (or "resource-oriented" as W3C types might say) protocol, using URIs for addressing), but URIs are for ...
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... D'oh! ...serves me right for not yet being fully caught up on our implementation details for Folders (the project formerly known as Smart Folders), XPath...
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Straight from OpenCola structured doc guru Chris Smith: === There is a difficulty with the question... "do the URLs use fixed addressing based on domains and...
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... It doesn't seem very likely to me. Perhaps at an API level, inside each implementation, the distinction can be hidden. We've got that working in Frontier,...
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It seems to me that protocol operations which are semantically equivalent should be amenable to XSLT, which brings up the possibility of a third, underlying,...
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... Aren't you on the XP list? Greg...
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... You bet, though I stopped contributing when I realized how much I had to learn. Anyhow it's not my impression that XP is about factoring out a substrate...
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... I saw that in the OpenCola whitepaper. http://www.opencola.com/software/octech.html "SOAP in its current implementation is dependent on Microsoft's...
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... XP in what context? I'm assuming this isn't eXtreme Programming we're talking about?...
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... See "XML Protocol Working Group" at http://www.w3.org/2000/xp/Group/ From the charter: Today, the principal use of the World Wide Web is for interactive...
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They announced today that they're changing the name, btw. Dave ... From: "Lucas Gonze" <lucas@...> To: <decentralization@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday,...
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... This brings me to my pet rant. (BTW, OpenCola/swarmcast are very interesting technologies). A long time ago, there was a hypertext/hypermedia discipline...
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... This is really smart. ... This goes to *my* favorite rant-by-proxy, the LISP vs C paper from 1991. The heart of the argument was that everyone at MIT knew...
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... and a CGI/servlet-like behavior, there's no reason either have to be co-located on the same HTTP or other server. In fact, there's no reason that the...
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