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Re: Microsoft improves SmartTag feature (let's get back to Decentralization talks here)...

> > What I'd like is to have a decentralized annotation service.
>
> Yes. And the sooner, the better.

Well, I laid out one possible roadmap for such a thing at
http://www.netcrucible.com/semantic.html. I do not think it is hard;
it is just that everyone would rather talk about it and try to get
someone else to do it. Decentralized annotation is very much
appropriate for this list, and much of the infrastructure that is
needed is already in place (NNTP, etc.).

Be aware that even a decentralized annotation service would very
likely meet the same objections as smart tags from many publishers.

> _Golden Opportunity_ for them to work towards winning the trust of
> the community, AND making a _firm stand_ for Civil Liberties in
> this nation.

Am I the only one who sees this as a conflict between publishers and
readers? The objection #2 that Robert (and Dave) pointed out would
exist regardless of who supplied the technology. I personally
(speaking only for myself) think it is not any big company's place to
battle in social issues like this. If publishers get upset that
someone makes it possible for a reader to "bring along" a competitor
while reading a site, that sounds like an argument that the publisher
and the reader need to work out between themselves, and if I'm the
guy who sold the copy of "consumer reports" magazine to you, I'm
gonna get the heck out of town and stop selling magazines as soon as
I see the knives come out. (I'm not ignoring the other issue
about "default" tags; we all agree that this is specific to the
market power that a particular company holds. But this is *not* the
only or even primary objection that many important people have to
annotations).




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... What, you don't have Bill Gates home phone number too? Just kidding. Seriously, can we really take this over to some place more appropriate? Say DevX's...
Robert Scoble
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Jun 18, 2001
10:19 am

Your objections to my 2 posts on this topic is a bit surprising considering the more than a handful of messages in this forum with the words Smart Tag in them....
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Jun 18, 2001
11:51 am

... There are clipping and annotation services that do exactly this. It is a perfectly valid activity; it's my choice as a reader *how* to read your magazine....
Chris Hanson
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Jun 18, 2001
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... One wonders: Is this perhaps what is so worrisome to WSJ and other 'organs' of news and information? Does this upset the plans of AOL/TimeWarner to "help...
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... Well, I laid out one possible roadmap for such a thing at http://www.netcrucible.com/semantic.html. I do not think it is hard; it is just that everyone...
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... [...] ... Agreed. ... I would venture that a decentralized annotation service which placed **ALL** power at the hand of the Reader would be even more...
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Jun 18, 2001
10:44 pm

Chris is right. And Chris is wrong. And Chris is right. As both an editor type and as one who has consumed clipping services, annotation is a valid...
Sean Gallagher
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Jun 19, 2001
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<snip> If SmartTags only points to ... point at a ... point at ... </snip> i haven't found any reference to smartTags being a msft only party... in fact, most...
chris hollander
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In article <9gmogg+gsh2@eGroups.com>, chris hollander <chollander@...> writes ... This is the one feature I'm quite puzzled about. Installing a Smart...
Julian Bond
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Jun 19, 2001
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... No matter how they try to get the 'Tags' to the client (although to me, *not* using a networked xml distribution scheme sounds too ridiculous to even...
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Jun 19, 2001
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... Yep. ... a web page. You can embed SmartTags in a page, but those tags will only work for that page. ... The SmartTags spec only provides for the interface...
Erik Moore
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Jun 19, 2001
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... after considerable efforts teaching the computer. A client-based, generic text interpreter, able to 'understand' what the text is about and make useful...
Erik Moore
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Jun 19, 2001
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... Well, there isn't, except for the fact they are called 'Smart' and the fact that Microsoft claims/hopes they will provide useful information to the...
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Jun 19, 2001
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... holding ... fact that ... reader. So, get some smart developers. For example, a SmartTag DLL which finds context from your Groove spaces? An example of...
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... I like the idea, but I think you underestimate the tremendous difficulty of returning truly useful links to each indiviual user (which my original post was...
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Jun 19, 2001
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... The smart tag architecture is agnostic on this for DLL-based tags. You could write a smart tag that honors some specific "context server" information...
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Jun 19, 2001
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Do you know is funny about all this talk of Smart Tags? The idea was stolen by MS - nothing unusual there. (Personally I doubt they have much really original)...
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Jun 19, 2001
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Decentralisation: the most useful context is local. A Groove- (or Jabber-)integrated SmartTags DLL is quite a serious suggestion; the context is really local...
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