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Re: Microsoft improves SmartTag feature (let's get back to Decent r   Message List  
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Re: [decentralization] Re: Microsoft improves SmartTag feature (let's get back to Decentralization talks here)...

> This is the one feature I'm quite puzzled about. Installing a Smart Tag
> list seems to involve getting a file onto the users hard disk. Which
> means an install routine.

Yep.

> There's was one rumour that the List file could be embedded or attached to
a web page.

You can embed SmartTags in a page, but those tags will only work for that
page.

> Can anyone confirm this? The whole feature would actually be
> considerably more powerful if it was slightly less decentralized and had
> more of an element of auto update about it.

The SmartTags spec only provides for the interface to the browser. The
developer is free to extend the backend any way he pleases. There are two
ways to implement SmartTags- one with an XML list of terms and actions, the
other with a DLL that searches each word dynamically. _What the dll uses to
search that term is up to the developer_. IOW, your SmartTag recognizer
could very easily search for matches in a database on another machine
(performance would be quite a factor here). Probably a better way to do it
would be to have a local database updated periodically and automatically,
and searches could be performed against that database.

The XML file method does provide for automatic updates by allowing the
developer to specify some optional tags in the bottom of the file that
specify a location to retreive updates from. From what I understand the
browser takes care of it for you.

> Conceptually this is quite like the problem of a spelling checker having
> to have it's dictionary installed locally. Except that the dictionary
> data is more dynamic.

Sort of. But if you're the one writing the spell checker, you can store the
dictionary wherever you can reach it. SmartTags lets you do this...




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... What, you don't have Bill Gates home phone number too? Just kidding. Seriously, can we really take this over to some place more appropriate? Say DevX's...
Robert Scoble
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Jun 18, 2001
10:19 am

Your objections to my 2 posts on this topic is a bit surprising considering the more than a handful of messages in this forum with the words Smart Tag in them....
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Jun 18, 2001
11:51 am

... There are clipping and annotation services that do exactly this. It is a perfectly valid activity; it's my choice as a reader *how* to read your magazine....
Chris Hanson
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Jun 18, 2001
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... One wonders: Is this perhaps what is so worrisome to WSJ and other 'organs' of news and information? Does this upset the plans of AOL/TimeWarner to "help...
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Jun 18, 2001
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... Well, I laid out one possible roadmap for such a thing at http://www.netcrucible.com/semantic.html. I do not think it is hard; it is just that everyone...
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Jun 18, 2001
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... [...] ... Agreed. ... I would venture that a decentralized annotation service which placed **ALL** power at the hand of the Reader would be even more...
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Jun 18, 2001
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Chris is right. And Chris is wrong. And Chris is right. As both an editor type and as one who has consumed clipping services, annotation is a valid...
Sean Gallagher
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Jun 19, 2001
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<snip> If SmartTags only points to ... point at a ... point at ... </snip> i haven't found any reference to smartTags being a msft only party... in fact, most...
chris hollander
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Jun 19, 2001
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In article <9gmogg+gsh2@eGroups.com>, chris hollander <chollander@...> writes ... This is the one feature I'm quite puzzled about. Installing a Smart...
Julian Bond
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Jun 19, 2001
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... No matter how they try to get the 'Tags' to the client (although to me, *not* using a networked xml distribution scheme sounds too ridiculous to even...
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Jun 19, 2001
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... Yep. ... a web page. You can embed SmartTags in a page, but those tags will only work for that page. ... The SmartTags spec only provides for the interface...
Erik Moore
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Jun 19, 2001
1:49 pm

... after considerable efforts teaching the computer. A client-based, generic text interpreter, able to 'understand' what the text is about and make useful...
Erik Moore
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Jun 19, 2001
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... Well, there isn't, except for the fact they are called 'Smart' and the fact that Microsoft claims/hopes they will provide useful information to the...
beno@...
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Jun 19, 2001
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... holding ... fact that ... reader. So, get some smart developers. For example, a SmartTag DLL which finds context from your Groove spaces? An example of...
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Jun 19, 2001
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... I like the idea, but I think you underestimate the tremendous difficulty of returning truly useful links to each indiviual user (which my original post was...
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Jun 19, 2001
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... The smart tag architecture is agnostic on this for DLL-based tags. You could write a smart tag that honors some specific "context server" information...
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Jun 19, 2001
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Do you know is funny about all this talk of Smart Tags? The idea was stolen by MS - nothing unusual there. (Personally I doubt they have much really original)...
C. Wegrzyn
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Jun 19, 2001
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Decentralisation: the most useful context is local. A Groove- (or Jabber-)integrated SmartTags DLL is quite a serious suggestion; the context is really local...
Hugh Pyle
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Jun 19, 2001
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