Re: [decentralization] Good news for decentralization?
I just got off the phone with Chris Payne and Hal Howard from Microsoft, and
think I can clarify.
Today's announcement is about Kerberos only. They said that at this level
their system is open, meaning that users can choose a different server from
Microsoft's to manage their identity.
Higher level issues, schema for user data, and protocols for connecting
desktop apps to clouds are not being discussed now; however they said that
they would be released with a similar philosophy.
They may have patents, and if they have them they will use them.
WSDL, UDDI and SOAP are the underpinnings of the next level(s) up.
We had a long wide-ranging discussion of what open means, and what level of
choice will be necessary for independent developers to be willing to invest
in Microsoft's new platform.
David Coursey [1]: "Microsoft says it wants Passport and Hailstorm, its foundation services for Web-based applications, to play well with others. So in a...
Dave Winer
dave@...
Sep 20, 2001 1:58 pm
Questions for Dave Stutz: Dave -- Is this just a formalization of the policy you mentioned way back when, that Kerberos federations were a possibility? How...
Lucas Gonze
lucas@...
Sep 20, 2001 4:25 pm
Here's my guess, without knowing anything. (a) Federation was always built into the system. The idea was to sell Exchange servers with federation capability....
rahul@...
Sep 20, 2001 6:27 pm
... what book?...
Patrick Phalen
pphalen@...
Sep 20, 2001 6:39 pm
Breaking Windows: How Bill Gates Fumbled the Future of Microsoft by David Bank Free Press; ISBN: 0743203151 I messed up his last name, its Bank, not Banks.. ...
rahul@...
Sep 20, 2001 7:09 pm
BTW, I'm doing a conf call with Microsoft people at 11AM. If people have questions, let me know. I want to figure out what this means too. Dave ... From:...
Dave Winer
dave@...
Sep 20, 2001 4:38 pm
In article <0b7f01c141f2$8e990a90$33a1dc40@murphy>, Dave Winer <dave@...> writes ... Has anything actually changed or is this just PR spin? They...
Julian Bond
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Sep 20, 2001 5:00 pm
I've listed my questions on Scripting News: http://scriptingnews.userland.com/backissues/2001/09/20 "My key question will be user choice and developer lock-in....
Dave Winer
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Sep 20, 2001 5:25 pm
Previously, I've mentioned a couple solutions for decentralizing the Decentralization e-mail list (in the context of the Decentralized Decentralization...
Michael Herman (Paral...
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Sep 20, 2001 5:45 pm
The Seattle Times report this morning was PRIVACY CONCERNS TRIGGER CHANGES IN MICROSOFTS PASSPORT SERVICE Microsoft is broadening its Passport...
Todd Boyle
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Sep 20, 2001 6:19 pm
Don't forget to ask about people running *other* profile servers, again without Microsoft software. It's not just about the profile-based service providers,...
Brian Behlendorf
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Sep 20, 2001 6:49 pm
I just got off the phone with Chris Payne and Hal Howard from Microsoft, and think I can clarify. Today's announcement is about Kerberos only. They said that...
Dave Winer
dave@...
Sep 20, 2001 7:17 pm
Sorry I didn't get this until after the call. To your first question, it appears that's not a problem because they're using Kerberos, which is (they say)...
Dave Winer
dave@...
Sep 20, 2001 7:19 pm
... What a bunch of hooey. Do *they* support Kerberos? The answer is no - they support an incompatible technology which happens to share some lineage with...
Brian Behlendorf
brian@...
Sep 20, 2001 11:34 pm
Here's a pointer to the Kerberos FAQ for Windows 2000: http://support.microsoft.com/support/kb/articles/Q266/0/80.ASP The article covers interop, interop...
Michael Herman (Paral...
mwherman@...
Sep 21, 2001 12:03 am
Re Kerberos vs MS Kerberos and implications for Maelstrom Openness. http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/21792.html "In short, it's hard to do authorization...
Julian Bond
julian_bond@...
Sep 21, 2001 7:25 am
... This may or may not be then useful depending on how they are planning to support GSS-API Tokens (see ftp://ftp.isi.edu/in-notes/rfc1964.txt) over http,...
rahul@...
Sep 20, 2001 7:42 pm
... In other words, if you aren't willing to reuse code, you won't be able to support Kerb5 within the next few years, because it's not nearly as simple as...
Wesley Felter
wesley@...
Sep 20, 2001 7:48 pm
... Wes, Could you elaborate? One would think that any API supportable over TCP could be supported over HTTP, albeit in a hackneyed way (for example, add a...
rahul@...
Sep 20, 2001 8:45 pm
... Brian, that kind of stuff happens all the time. It's hard to keep a standard from being attacked and undermined that way. We've had to fight that in...
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