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Re: Reputation device

There is a great deal of research being done by a Toshio Yamagishi
at Hokkaido University. His web page is here
http://lynx.let.hokudai.ac.jp/members/yamagishi/english.htm

His most recent paper, which is relevant to your discussion is not
yet on his site, but I can get it for anyone who is interested. He
is a social psychologist and does a study of reputation systems. He
uses an online open market where people create sell and buy things.
They can lie about the quality of what they sell or can tell the
truth. He test four reputation models. Completely identified where
you can't change your nym. Completely anonymous. Positive reputation
tracking only where you can change your nym and negative reputation
tracking with changing nyms.

He finds that complete identity is the highest quality of exchange,
but this is obviously only possible in a closed community and not
something I believe is feasible or desireable on the Net. Completely
anonymous is obviously bad. The two interesting results were that
negative tracking started out with better quality and quickly
degenerated while tracking positive reputation started out rather
low, but grew until it was almost a high as a closed system with
full identity.

Quality here is defined as the likelyhood of buying something of
lower quality and marked, or of someone lying. What he shows is that
onces people develop positive reputations, they continue to try to
keep them while negative reputation tracking encourages reseting
your nym. Negative reputation SOUNDS good so people try not to get
it at the beginning, but what really affects our behavior long term
is positive feedback.

His research is very thorough using a variety of time-lines and
techniques in a laboratory with real people an a mocked up B2B
exchange.




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... Any reputation framework that ever tried to coerce anybody to disclose *anything* would have a hard time getting traction these days. The trend is going...
Todd Boyle
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There is a great deal of research being done by a Toshio Yamagishi at Hokkaido University. His web page is here ...
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Joi has posted a link to the Toshio Yamagishi paper on his blog, at http://joi.ito.com/archives/2002/06/22/met_toshio_yamagishi.html - Lucas...
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... Ok, let's take a look at this in detail, because it's a good and important point. A system where a Nym (essentially a limited liability identity) can be...
Vinay
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... Per Joi's original post on Yamagishi Toshio's research, a reputation system can only work in some contexts. If the cost of a theft is lower than the cost...
Lucas Gonze
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Recall, I suggested this requirement... ... Vinay said, among other things, ... Lucas said, among other things, ... That's debatable. At least, in real...
Todd Boyle
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... Reputations are not monolithic entities: your reputation is made up of the opinions of the many, many people you've interacted with. They, *individually*...
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... To expand a bit: each individual owns a set of opinions about the rest of the world. Opinions about other individuals. Opinions about rival reputation ...
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... It's worth noting that this is a fait accompli, because the single, overwhelmingly powerful source is DNA. Furthermore, because the primary key is not an...
Clay Shirky
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Clay Shirky wrote, ... At best (or worst, depending on how you look at it) this solves the problem locally. But if you wanted to make it work remotely you'd be...
Miles Sabin
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... UNfortunately, the declining cost of DNA readers is likely to be accompanied by a declining cost to duplicate the source db record carriers :). I would...
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... Hash: SHA1 Clay Shirky <clay@...> writes: <snip/> ... <snip/> Well.. This scenario doesn't really keep me awake at night. Most reputation systems...
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... There are three problems with this: 1) decentralized anonymous reputation systems are harder to implement (both technically and financially) than...
Fen Labalme
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... Well, this is like saying "Once there's no problem there will be no problem." True, but not so useful. I used to be a big proponent of anonymity, but I...
Clay Shirky
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... Depends on what they are competing for, dunnit? What if the measure of success is the maximization of "bad" behaviour?...
Tony Kimball
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... Could you be more specific? Don't give us poetry and allegory...:-) I will confess my interests here are pragmatic. I am interested in conducting buying...
Todd Boyle
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... Sorry, should have spelled that out. I meant outcompete for GDP growth per capita. I am predicting that systems that maximize bad behavior will be ...
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... That is an interesting thing to say, but I am queasy about it until you qualify what you mean by anonymity. Do you mean a lack of nyms, or a lack of civil...
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... I don't mean lack of nyms. I don't know what you mean by civil identity, but if it means 'piercable veil', then that's what I mean. Anonymity in my view is...
Clay Shirky
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... ...been a busy day, sorry to take so long following up. A civil identity is the one on your tax return. What makes me uneasy about your idea is that civil...
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... I didn't understand what a civil identity was, so I don't think thats what I mean. Rethinking this, what I am now arguing is this: the thing that keeps ...
Clay Shirky
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... Your one true Equifax/IRS name. People can argue that others may meet this condition, but the name that your credit rating and tax payment is attached to...
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... Yes, absolutely. Reading this, I realize that one of my principal discomforts in the debate is the grouping of anyonymity with pseudonymnity. It seems to ...
Clay Shirky
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Although the symposium doesn't specifically deal with decentralized reputation systems I suspect it will be an important topic. Some of the names seem familiar...
Rikard Linde
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Clay Shirky wrote, ... Where is the actual _argument_ for that claim? Perhaps iteration is _a_ thing which keeps people honest in PD scenarios, but there could...
Miles Sabin
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... Robert Axelrod has done the most work in this area. The classic work is "The Evolution of Cooperation" (ISBN: 0465021212), in which he demonstrates the now...
Clay Shirky
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Clay Shirky wrote, ... No. In the right circumstances tit for tat produces results which aren't observationally distinguishable from honesty. Cheers, Miles...
Miles Sabin
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... My goal is empirical historical facts about the faithful performance of commitments by an individual or "thing" on the network. That will be sufficient...
Todd Boyle
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... Cypherpunks call this a "true name" (from Vernor Vinge's 1981 novella "True Names"). "In the once upon a time days of the First Age of Magic, the prudent ...
Wes Felter
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... Ok. Well, firstly you're right, and it's a reality today (kindof): http://www.google.com/search?q=china+genetic+id+card However, two minor rays of hope. ...
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