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Re: [decentralization] Laptop Versus Axe

On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 10:52 PM, Lucas Gonze <lucas@...> wrote:
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> Are you expecting it to be used by nodes that cross an administrative
> boundary?

That's a very good question. The minimal answer is "Yes". The short
answer is that you don't rely on the storage servers for
confidentiality (all data is encrypted) nor for integrity (all data is
either hashed if immutable or signed if mutable), but you do rely on
the storage servers to be somewhat reliable. If any K (typically 3)
out of M (typically 10) of the storage servers are reachable and
well-behaved then you can use your file, so you don't require *high*
reliability from your servers, but you do require a certain reasonable
amount of reliability. Certainly it would fail if you just picked ten
random strangers from the Internet and hoped that at least three of
them would loyally store your file for you and make their servers
reachable when you wanted it. (Which is fairly close to what Mojo
Nation and Mnet and non-darknet-Freenet attempted.)

So this means that you don't have to entrust your secrets and the
integrity of your data to the server operators, but you do need some
reason to think that the server operators will keep maintaining the
servers and letting you connect to them in the future. The two kinds
of deployment so far are the allmydata.com use case in which a company
operates hundreds of servers and customers pay a monthly fee to get
access, and the friendnet (what Ian Clarke named "darknet") use case,
where a group of friends all let each other use their computers out of
love.

Regards,

Zooko



Thu Apr 30, 2009 4:15 am

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Greetings, people of the decentralization group! Here is the highlight of my presentation at CodeCon last weekend. CodeCon's prime directive is that every...
zookog
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Apr 24, 2009
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I pity the axe. So what's the plan for Tahoe, Zooko? Are you working on getting it bundled with unix distributions? Is your strategy to aim at low-churn ...
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... So, yeah, allmydata.com stopped funding new Tahoe development a few months ago [1]. Tahoe, the Longlived Axe-tolerant File System, is now a purely...
Zooko O'Whielacronx
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Are you expecting it to be used by nodes that cross an administrative boundary?...
Lucas Gonze
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Apr 29, 2009
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... That's a very good question. The minimal answer is "Yes". The short answer is that you don't rely on the storage servers for confidentiality (all data is...
Zooko O'Whielacronx
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Zooko O'Whielacronx wrote: The two kinds ... This makes me think of a hybrid model where there's a coop of businesses or sophisticated friends. Maybe 5-100...
Lucas Gonze
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May 2, 2009
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That's interesting. Just curious, is it easy to deploy this in a web-facing manner? For example, at Expensify we store a bunch of receipt images. We...
David Barrett
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May 2, 2009
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... Well, yeah it is pretty close to this already. The Tahoe web API listens for PUT and GET, as documented here: ...
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... Yeah! Because a company is more reliable and available and has a lot more capital than one of your friends, but you don't want to put all your eggs in one...
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