In article <3A4F7193.679D90C7@...>, Gregory Alan Bolcer <gbolcer@...> writes ... We shouldn't forget the oldest uses of the internet, namely...
Julian Bond
julian@...
Jan 1, 2001 2:20 pm
1002
Okay, so here's state of the art below: ... egroups.com, takeitoffline.com, & spyonit.com ... NetObjects link dump. ... thirdvoice.com ... altavista.com:...
Gregory Alan Bolcer
gbolcer@...
Jan 1, 2001 3:46 pm
1003
Shane said ... SET and PKI and SSL are anyways not solutions, they are only a piece of a solution. We need a solution that enables ordinary people to conduct...
Todd Boyle
tboyle@...
Jan 1, 2001 6:36 pm
1004
... Why does the world need more acronyms? To me, the two way Internet is already here. I have running on my home computer: An FTP server. An HTTP server. A...
rscoble@...
Jan 1, 2001 11:04 pm
1005
Dear decentralization@egroups.com,
The user chose:
sender = Dave Winer <dave@...>
First Name = Dave
LAST NAME = Winer
receiver =...
Dave Winer
dave@...
Jan 2, 2001 3:35 am
1007
I like just plain ole' 2way as in (FreeWay) (TheWay) and (Out, Way) Jack ... wondered what ... adjective (like P2P), rather than a noun....
Jack Foster
jf@...
Jan 2, 2001 3:40 am
1008
Dave, et. al ... I just read your current SN Update and the piece on the two-way-web Acronym .. and just wanted to say that my first thought was for the same...
J. Leslie Booth
netinfo@...
Jan 2, 2001 6:41 am
1009
... Have you seen AntWorld? http://aplab.rutgers.edu/ant/ This has the same philosophy, though only actually applies to structured searches ("quests") rather...
Dave Reynolds
der@...
Jan 2, 2001 11:12 am
1010
Is anyone familiar with http://www.UCCnet.org ? I was struck by the headline in their about us section. "UCCnet is an open, standards-based, scaleable,...
Julian Bond
julian@...
Jan 2, 2001 2:24 pm
1011
Looking for programmers interested in working on a streaming video application enabling one to many broadcasting online. If interested, please email me at ...
Oliver Willis
owillis@...
Jan 2, 2001 7:38 pm
1012
... Yeah, different people could see different scopes here. The way I see it, we could have said the same thing about the web -- we already had gopher, ftp...
Joshua Allen
allenjs@...
Jan 2, 2001 10:17 pm
1013
... Maybe one difference would be that P2P has no qualms with throwing out the "web" part entirely and using different protocols (as freenet, napster, etc....
Joshua Allen
allenjs@...
Jan 2, 2001 10:36 pm
1014
Yes sir, that's exactly why I liked 2W2. But 2WW is winning out in the survey. What to do? Decisions decisions. ;-> Dave ... From: "Joshua Allen"...
Dave Winer
dave@...
Jan 2, 2001 10:43 pm
1015
Doc, Thanks for your insight. I think the killer app is a broadcast system allowing one-to-many broadcasting, something I think Real and Microsoft have...
Oliver Willis
owillis@...
Jan 3, 2001 9:08 am
1016
In article <92uq6h+3s7n@eGroups.com>, Oliver Willis <owillis@...> writes ... Well Shoutcast is pretty cheap and easy. The big cost now in 1-many ...
Julian Bond
julian@...
Jan 3, 2001 10:25 am
1017
It seems to me that the Real Audio way of thinking, where there is a pseudo real time stream being broadcast, is horseless carriage thinking. Music radio...
Lucas Gonze
lucas@...
Jan 3, 2001 5:05 pm
1018
Developing this a little further - I don't see why songs themselves have to be streamed. You can stream a playlist using whole songs as chunks. The songs...
Lucas Gonze
lucas@...
Jan 3, 2001 5:33 pm
1019
I agree (to a point). As far as music programming, etc goes I would much rather pick and download my own content. The Internet excels at that. What is still ...
Oliver Willis
owillis@...
Jan 3, 2001 6:12 pm
1020
Lucas, I agree. Streaming is unnecessary, inefficient, low fidelity and wasteful of the user's time. BTW, please add RSS to the list of formats that are key to...
Dave Winer
dave@...
Jan 3, 2001 6:17 pm
1021
I admire the notion that broadcast content should generally go through wires and that the radio spectrum now wasted on TV and commercial radio are an economic...
Todd Boyle
tboyle@...
Jan 3, 2001 6:48 pm
1022
Ok, I hope this doesn't come off as hardass, but I think that this is the moment for you to go back to the spec. The desired functionality: 1) a medium where...
Lucas Gonze
lucas@...
Jan 3, 2001 6:54 pm
1023
Todd, my mentor on this is Adam Curry, who I'm cc'ing on this response. Most of the discussions in this area overlook an important resource, at least for...
Dave Winer
dave@...
Jan 3, 2001 6:57 pm
1024
... y, y, y, and y. and yup. While we're on the subject of low fidelity, it seems to me that you can have fidelity degrade gracefully by using layered sound...
Lucas Gonze
lucas@...
Jan 3, 2001 7:00 pm
1025
In a way, this is push all over again - just done smarter. Makes sense. But I think there needs to be some allowance for "real-time" video + interaction +...
Oliver Willis
owillis@...
Jan 3, 2001 7:15 pm
1026
I think we've got our wavelength mixed up. The idea is that the video/audio goes out to the audience, concurrent with a chat window. #6 is a chat application,...
Oliver Willis
owillis@...
Jan 3, 2001 7:19 pm
1027
The trick is that chat can be (kind of) real time because it uses so little bandwidth. Not so for video/audio. Allow the video/audio to be out of band. Have...
Lucas Gonze
lucas@...
Jan 3, 2001 7:27 pm
1028
... interaction + community. What good is a news clip when its hours old? Little-known fact: Most of the videos you see on TV news are many hours if not days...
Dave Winer
dave@...
Jan 3, 2001 7:28 pm
1029
... Not just that. Chat is the human version of SYN/ACK. Chat's advantage is not just low bandwidth, therefore, but tolerance of widely varying latency, so...
Clay Shirky
clay@...
Jan 3, 2001 7:30 pm
1030
Dave Winer said ... I fully agree with the goal of caching whenever it can *possibly* be achieved. e.g. music clips or nonurgent news broadcasts. Who could...
Todd Boyle
tboyle@...
Jan 3, 2001 7:59 pm
1031
... I don't think thats necessary. Users will soon start to realize the drastically better speed and quality of cached content over real-time content and tend...
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