... Hi -- I'm an Architect at IBM's Pacific Development Center in Vancouver. I'm working on a couple of projects in the banking & financial sector that have...
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Lucas Gonze
lucas@...
Jul 19, 2000 4:15 pm
Ben - Can you talk about what consensus there is (if any) for future direction of Gnutella-NG? - Lucas (I am definitely interested to hear your thoughts on...
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Ben Houston
ben@...
Jul 19, 2000 2:30 pm
I'll response to both replies here since they are related. Lucas, You understand my two points correctly. Yes, the first point is hard to implement and will...
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Clay Shirky
clay@...
Jul 19, 2000 1:58 pm
... Surely for a list called 'decentralization', you don't *want* an ultimate goal, nu? Following Lucas evolutionary biology idea, surely the goals of all the...
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Burd, Greg
gburd@...
Jul 19, 2000 1:31 pm
Ben, I too am glad to see you hanging out on this m-board. If we do this right, the possibilities are endless. In regards to #1, I agree. We need this...
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Clay Shirky
clay@...
Jul 19, 2000 1:23 pm
... From my point of view, it has taken exactly the right amount of time, then til now. Engineers who pine for more order will always lament how slow and...
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Lucas Gonze
lucas@...
Jul 19, 2000 12:00 am
Ben - Let me see if I understand your points. Please correct me if I am wrong. ... The goal is to provide an an optimized tree, where the number of hops...
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Ben Houston
ben@...
Jul 18, 2000 10:45 pm
Hi, I'm a student who is on the working group of the gnutella-next generation protocol (http://gnutella-ng.wego.com). We are unfortunately mostly young...
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muxspace@...
Jul 18, 2000 10:03 pm
... most systems to intelligently deal with, so optimization in terms of network traffic is going to be important so that we don't bring the internet to its...
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Justin Chapweske
orasis@...
Jul 18, 2000 9:16 pm
... One thing to consider is that optimization in this case is not just a performance issue, its a friendliness issue. With the viral distribution nature of...
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Justin Chapweske
orasis@...
Jul 18, 2000 9:07 pm
We used to stuff like this all the time on the work we did at my last employer. Basically you need to standardize on some sort of mobile code system like...
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Justin Chapweske
orasis@...
Jul 18, 2000 9:01 pm
... Definately agreed, and what I think you'll find is will see alot more active networking sort of stuff in this space, where nodes are pushing protocol...
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Clay Shirky
clay@...
Jul 18, 2000 6:50 pm
... The same. Glad you liked it. Thats really my interst in p2p -- the freedom angle. My new motto is "Its Prohibition, and Napster is a bathub full of gin." ...
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Lucas Gonze
lucas@...
Jul 18, 2000 6:43 pm
... TLS for one (resets a non-encrypted socket to an encrypted one on the fly). WorldOS for another. The app server needs to allow cgi scripts (or whatever...
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Dave Winer
dave@...
Jul 18, 2000 6:43 pm
... a good idea in theory, but given that even the negotiating protocol would be non-standard, mightn't it be bette rto just eat the overhead for...
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Clay Shirky
clay@...
Jul 18, 2000 6:37 pm
... Is there anything in the real world that does this now? It sounds like a good idea in theory, but given that even the negotiating protocol would be...
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Lucas Gonze
lucas@...
Jul 18, 2000 6:27 pm
The open question is whether these results are specific to RMI and HTTP, or to what degree they apply to all low-level/high-level protocol comparisons. My...
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Justin Chapweske
orasis@...
Jul 18, 2000 5:54 pm
Here is an interesting tidbit that I posted on HTP a while back. It is basically a technique for setting up a direct point to point connection between two...
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Dave Winer
dave@...
Jul 18, 2000 5:46 pm
Thanks for the numbers! Excellent. We need an engineering culture in XML-land. This is going the right direction. Dave ... From: "David Orchard"...
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David Orchard
orchard@...
Jul 18, 2000 5:41 pm
I did similar tests in Oct '99. Two tests are of interest: transport times and serialization times. I found that connection-oriented RMI (5 ms) is about 250%...
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Dave Reynolds
der@...
Jul 18, 2000 2:07 pm
I have done some small scale experiments testing performance curves of Java implementations of SOAP and SOAP-like protocols against Java RMI for a range of...
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Steve Dossick
sdossick@...
Jul 18, 2000 1:08 pm
... I could not agree more with this statement. It's also great because you can take an inexperienced programmer (or an experienced one who knows little about...
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Lucas Gonze
lucas@...
Jul 18, 2000 3:47 am
... Yet Another Transport Protocol. ... I'd like to see the data myself. Has anyone ever seen data like this?...
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Dave Winer
dave@...
Jul 18, 2000 3:33 am
So what is YATP? And HTTP is totally the way to go because it's in every scripting and programming environment. It's the LCD protocol, and much cleaner than...
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Lucas Gonze
lucas@...
Jul 18, 2000 3:23 am
Got it - a web server with every client. You may be interested in Magi (http://magi.endeavors.org/), who are implementing it. I also spent some time working...
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Dave Winer
dave@...
Jul 18, 2000 2:53 am
Lucas, here's a pointer to a piece I wrote about this: http://davenet.userland.com/1997/09/14/FractionalHorsepowerHTTPSe BTW, I subscribed to this list and...
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Wesley M. Felter
wesf@...
Jul 18, 2000 2:17 am
... It's not clear to me that text protocols are that much slower than binary protocols, but it depends on the size of messages and the path MTU size (due to...
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Lucas Gonze
lucas@...
Jul 18, 2000 2:06 am
I'm interested to hear more about the Fractional Horsepower HTTP Server. It is a good idea to talk about using HTTP as a substrate for decentralized apps....
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Wesley M. Felter
wesf@...
Jul 18, 2000 12:54 am
I'm here. Hacker-pundit that I am, I wrote a bit about technical P2P issues today: http://wmf.editthispage.com/2000/07/17 Wesley Felter - wesf@... -...
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Clay Shirky
clay@...
Jul 18, 2000 12:32 am
So who's here? I just had a piece in the Times about Napster, and while it doesn't address decentralization per se, it does address one of its effects in the...
