... Nothing is impossible if you work together. IP packets over carrier pigeons! I'm asking whether two different developers, without communication will make...
... I think you miss the point -- people *do* interoperate using SOAP over SMTP, *today*. So you say, "what's the use of standards without interop"? And I am...
... I'd like to hear more. What SOAP+SMTP clients talking to what server? Doing what? Using what parts of the SOAP spec? ... If there is interop then there...
... Here's the problem: the Web Services stack is more subdivided than the Web stack. The Web Web Services ...
Clay Shirky
clay@...
Feb 2, 2002 3:06 pm
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... Ah, there's the source of the problem. Actually trying to implement something has distracted you from the perfect theoretical claims touted in press...
... Huh? That is about as accurate as your earlier statement about "synchronous" and "rpc" being synonomous (which is to say, not at all). ... What have you...
... I understand you are acting as a reporter, not a promoter, but your picture gives rise to a bunch of questions: * Doesn't the Internet already have an...
... You're right in general, though it does sound like Allen has been doing Real Work with SOAP, so I'd like to hear at what level. There is no doubt that you...
... I'm afraid that that's the norm. I don't see what it buys you - two unrelated protocols based on XML are no more compatible than two unrelated protocols...
... True. But XML doesn't claim to be a protocol. What you gain by using XML is components that know how to work with it, parsers, validators, transformation...
... Different clients and servers generate different versions of namespace attributes. For example: http://schemas.xmlsoap.org/soap/envelope/ versus ...
... This is true. For a list of some others, check out Sam Ruby's essay on the subject: http://radio.weblogs.com/0101679/stories/2002/02/01/toInfinityAndBeyo ...
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... Oh yes. ... Yes but (as I understand the argument) not one that includes data types or uniform serialization. Deciding whether SOAP is an improvement in...
Clay Shirky
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Feb 4, 2002 3:46 pm
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I've looked at SOAP some and, as a developer, have reached the following conclusions. It is not simple. The techniques for passing parameters are not well...
I'm a bit surprised about all the SOAP bashing going on. As far as specifications go, it's a very simple one. I didn't have much trouble at all writing a...
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Feb 4, 2002 6:33 pm
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One more thing: some good reading everyone should check out on XML protocols, courtesy of Eliot Rusty Harold: ...
bert@...
Feb 4, 2002 6:44 pm
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So that's SOAP and XML-RPC comprehensively knifed in the back. Anyone want to start (again) on ReST, and how about MIME-RPC http://www.mime- ...
... It is amazing to see the utter trashing of things with as much momentum as SOAP. Best not miss my chance! SOAP et al are a rotten application protocol...
... This is a thing that drives me nuts about XML-RPC. It has problems that would be easy to fix and Dave's techniness about the spec keeps the errors from ...
Already been done, and no adoption as far as I can tell: http://www.focusresearch.com/gregor/sw/XPC/ Now, it would be trivial to do a stylesheet that converted...
Overall, XPC is a nice improvement on XML-RPC. Some notes: "xml" is not a legal XML element type name. I think that using positional (not named) arguments for...
... NO! NO! Please, no no no! There are two things that make SOAP complex - namespaces and XML Schema. There are two things that make XML-RPC charming - lack...
... I have a feeling that you didn't understand what I was suggesting. XML-RPC has a definition for integer. It is imprecise and somewhat annoyingly "retro" in...
... CORBA is pretty easy pickings... ... Sure, use IIOP, pass an object reference, and simply notify the object of the result when it becomes available....
... You're right - I thought you were saying "bring XML Schema into XPC". ... The problem with XML Schema "integer" is they're bignums - arbitrary precision....
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