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Julian Bond
jbond23uk
Apr 23, 2007 8:02 pm
Whatever happened to P2P and Decentralisation as a design pattern? Wordpress and Movable type became Myspace and Facebook. RSS became Google Reader Distributed...
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Lucas Gonze
lucas_gonze
Apr 23, 2007 11:19 pm
I've been thinking of it like viscosity. So the issue isn't how decentralized the web-based systems are but how long it takes the overal landscape to change...
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Gary Lawrence Murphy
revg
Apr 24, 2007 1:00 am
I find it interesting that these questions come from the webmaster for the "facebook for sales managers" of ecademy ;) Surely just from your own experience...
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coderman
coderman@...
Apr 24, 2007 1:25 am
... true, "everything that has ever happened is still happening". the apparent decline of peer to peer and decentralization is to be expected. this is a...
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amir jony
jaan_aame
Apr 24, 2007 3:56 am
Thanks very much for your cooperation the other topic is Portfolio what meaning of portfolio and how much kinds of porfolio Lucas Gonze <lucas@...>...
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Mitra
mitra_earth
Apr 24, 2007 9:22 am
Thanks Julian for reminding me this group still exists. I think Decentralisation was great - in theory - in practice most of the apps were unreliable, and so...
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Julian Bond
jbond23uk
Apr 24, 2007 12:12 pm
Mitra <mitra.ardron@...> Tue, 24 Apr 2007 19:14:59 ... Shades of grey. There were very very few systems that were ever completely p2p and decentralised....
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Robert Welbourn
rwelbourn
Apr 24, 2007 12:16 pm
Oh, I don't know: P2P for communication is doing just fine: look at Skype and the emerging efforts in the IETF to define a P2P version of SIP. There are...
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cjenscook
Apr 24, 2007 4:13 pm
Hi Julian Essentially they all were swallowed up and developed after being "corporatised" / made proprietary. Which raises the old chestnut about the inability...
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mfidelman
Apr 24, 2007 6:01 pm
[I'm not sure why, but this didn't show up when I sent it by email - so I'm posting it via the web interface this time - if it shows up a 2nd time later,...
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Miles Fidelman
mfidelman
Apr 24, 2007 6:08 pm
... a few thoughts that have been kicking around in the back of my brain for a while: - from an end user perspective, the hosted software is very appealing: ...
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Johannes Ernst
r_objects
Apr 24, 2007 9:38 pm
Decentralized systems are much harder to design. ("costs more in time and money to get to equivalent features") Decentralized systems are much harder to debug....
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Gary Lawrence Murphy
revg
Apr 25, 2007 2:12 pm
... J> ... But putting some of the function out on the edge where it J> took advantage of CPU and bandwidth was a good thing. As was J> letting anyone and...
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Julian Bond
jbond23uk
Apr 25, 2007 2:50 pm
Gary Lawrence Murphy <garym@...> Wed, 25 Apr 2007 09:27:05 ... I wasn't thinking of servers at home. But that anyone with a bit of hosting can run a...
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Nick Lothian
nick_a_l
Apr 25, 2007 11:33 pm
Hasn't decentralization become corporatized? I'm thinking of the increasing number of "widget" vendors and platforms. Sure - this isn't P2P, but the ability to...
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Lucas Gonze
lucas_gonze
Apr 25, 2007 11:46 pm
I think that the consensus vision of what decentralization means was a little too literal. People thought that it was always going to be about PC-based...
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Mike Dierken
mdierken
Apr 26, 2007 2:56 am
... That's interesting - is there anything lost if your personal server/agent is hosted outside your physical home (ala Amazon's EC2)? This obviously is a ...
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Mike Dierken
mdierken
Apr 26, 2007 2:58 am
Good point. REST definitely is about decentralized control - multiple organizations interacting without arduous up-front coordination. It's an enabling...
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Brian Behlendorf
brian@...
Apr 30, 2007 6:41 am
... Decentralized systems are also much, much harder to "monetize";, to exploit the crowd of users to the unique advantage of one company, since nearly by ...
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Clay Shirky
cshirky
Apr 30, 2007 1:34 pm
... I was thinking about Google, in relation to this thread: they're interesting, because they have three separate topologies at work -- in front of the...
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Douglas O'Flaherty
douglas@...
Apr 30, 2007 2:00 pm
[Referencing emails snipped for brevity & clarity] Greetings: Julian Bond started this thread with a great question: "Whatever happened to P2P and...
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Julian Bond
jbond23uk
Apr 30, 2007 3:21 pm
Clay Shirky <clay@...> Mon, 30 Apr 2007 09:25:55 ... Skype is throwing up some issues here. Because the bulk of the system is decentralised it's very...
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Miles Fidelman
mfidelman
Apr 30, 2007 9:26 pm
... Another interesting example is LOCKSS (Lots of Copies Keeps Stuff Safe) - www.lockss.org This is a system used by a number of university libraries to...
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Arkady
larytet
Apr 30, 2007 9:31 pm
Hello, Brian I think, that you gave very correct analyses of what you call "firepower". The availability of bandwidth and relatively low cost of the bandwidth...
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Adam Fisk
afisk3
May 2, 2007 4:14 am
Totally agreed Rob. These systems are never labeled as p2p precisely because they work so well. Without SIP and similar/associated protocols, most VoIP...
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Serguei Osokine
osokin_parag...
May 2, 2007 5:27 am
... I'll side with Adam on this one. Funny how everything is happening at the same time: yesterday we were having a San Francisco P2P get-together, and Travis...
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Doc Searls
zdilmidgi
May 2, 2007 7:45 am
I'm not clear on exactly what search protocols and ideas Jeremie Miller <http://jeremie.com> was working on before he joined Wikia (though he shared some of...
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Andrew McMeikan
andrewmuck
May 2, 2007 12:33 pm
Just to explore a slightly different tangent. Has anyone here thought about decentralised value storeage systems? Traditionally these have always been very...
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Clay Shirky
cshirky
May 2, 2007 2:32 pm
... As the resident Behlendorfian, I'll reply that neither Brian nor I are saying it is "unnecessary.' For my part, I'm saying a) that much of the predicted...
