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Re: [discussbusinesscontinuity] Re: Data Centres & Backups

Adolpho - After being though several fires in my time, you would be better off having your IT guys carry those tapes around in the trunk of their car in a lock box.  Experience says the vault may be fireproof but the contents are not.  Don't forget if you were to have a fire and the fire department deems it to be a toxic area or unstable building after the fire good luck getting your tapes.
 
This also sends a warning to me when companies keep tapes on their grounds.  If they are that financially strapped, are they even testing the tapes?
 
jp       

--- On Fri, 11/14/08, aaccneto <adolpho.costa@...> wrote:
From: aaccneto <adolpho.costa@...>
Subject: [discussbusinesscontinuity] Re: Data Centres & Backups
To: discussbusinesscontinuity@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, November 14, 2008, 10:20 AM

John,
You're partially right. My point of view is that in comparison with
having nothing to protect the backups, it's better to have a vault.
At least, the backups are not going to be destroyed (we hope
this!!). Of course, to get them after an event depends on your RTO.
We can say that is a cheap solution. But it's better than nothing.
Sometimes the authorities allow you to get something for a short
time; it'd be your chance to get back your backups.

Thanks!!
Adolpho Costa - CBCP

--- In discussbusinesscont inuity@yahoogrou ps.com, "John Glenn, CRP"
<JGlennCRP@. ..> wrote:
>
> Could you - recover the back ups?
> Only if you could get to them.
> One of the problems with same-site backups is if something - say
an earthquake or other pavement-crumbling event - happens, how are
you going to get to the site even if the facility housing the back
up media is still standing? A fire or gas leak - even in a
neighboring straucture - could prevent access to the back up media -
the fire brigade typically cordons off an area and prevents non-
emergency personnel's access. The media could very well be OK, but
it still can be inaccessible.
>  
> jg
>  
>
>
> --- On Tue, 11/11/08, aaccneto <adolpho.costa@ ...> wrote:
>
> From: aaccneto <adolpho.costa@ ...>
> Subject: [discussbusinesscon tinuity] Re: Data Centres & Backups
> To: discussbusinesscont inuity@yahoogrou ps.com
> Date: Tuesday, November 11, 2008, 7:15 AM
>
>
>
>
>
>
> One thing to remember: you can put a water-smog-fire- bomb proof
> vault to protect better your media. Even in case of a local
> disaster, you could recover the backups. It's better than nothing,
> do you agree?
>
> Adolpho Costa - CBCP
> .
>




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This may seem a silly question with a rather obvious answer but, with diplomacy not being one of my my stronger characteristics I would appreciate some help...
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Dear Kevin In my point of view u should keep the backups at the DR site since any thing happend in the Data center will affect the current storage site since...
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Quite simple.....just query what would happen if the road were closed/cordoned, so there was no access to the site..... Regards Helen From:...
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In the States, one Fortune 50 company I worked for was given the approval to maintain the local backup copies in a library that was in a different maximum fire...
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Kevin, You haven't said what industry you are in but one thing you can look at to back up your argument are any regulations that your industry have to follow...
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In addition to scenarios listed and regulations affecting you, you can use your own threat/risk/vulnerability assessment. Perhaps you have 20 highly probable...
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Kevin, I agree that regulations may be helpful if they apply in your industry. Otherwise, I would try these tactics: Operational backup vs. disaster recovery...
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All the replies were great. Question: How much does the backup media cost? Would it be possible to replicate the media - keep one at hand and ship one out of...
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In a message dated 11/7/2008 3:35:38 A.M. Central Standard Time, reccecrew@... writes: This may seem a silly question with a rather obvious answer...
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There are many possible incidents that could take out your datacentre and your backup tape storage:   Flood Tornado or hurricane Toxic spill in the area...
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You may consider running a test to make sure you are meeting your business goals. The result of the test would provide your documentation. ... with ... store ...
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Most of the usual points appear to be covered, however, one question I would raise is whether you actually have a separate DR site? If you don't, then you are...
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One thing to remember: you can put a water-smog-fire-bomb proof vault to protect better your media. Even in case of a local disaster, you could recover the...
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Could you - recover the back ups? Only if you could get to them. One of the problems with same-site backups is if something - say an earthquake or other...
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John, You're partially right. My point of view is that in comparison with having nothing to protect the backups, it's better to have a vault. At least, the...
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Adolpho - After being though several fires in my time, you would be better off having your IT guys carry those tapes around in the trunk of their car in a...
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There are many solutions to datacenters and backups. The number one point it tht the backups must be kepT offiste. Commercial Storage companies charge by the...
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Michael - I hope you adding content to the thread and not my comment. You are corrent, the best idea is to keep it off site and i believe John was relying...
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Let's not get bogged down in the detail here. The basic concern is "denial of access". The management team should be asked three questions : a) whether they...
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