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#1031

From: "jridge101" <jridge101@...>
Date: Thu Jun 4, 2009 2:59 pm
Subject: Re: EV Mode 2010

jridge101

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You have the option of installing a hack that takes about a half hour to do
which will enable you to switch to electric only mode to make it so your cruise
control will switch you in EV only mode, it cost about $45.00
http://electricandhybridcar.com/?p=41 story here. Costal Tech is a place that
carries the part. It is for 2004 to 2009 models. The story has a link with
pictures of how to install the original button too.

--- In edrivephev@yahoogroups.com, "mejidori" <silas10961@...> wrote:
>
> Just noticed that the Prius entry on Wikipedia states:
>
> "Prior to the 2010 model, the North American model did not have the 'EV'
button"
>
> So this implies the 2010 model here in the States will be equipped with it. Is
this accurate?
>
> Kind regards,
> David
>

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#1030

From: Paul Pancella <Paul.Pancella@...>
Date: Thu Jun 4, 2009 12:58 pm
Subject: Re: EV Mode 2010

ppancella

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From the handful of articles I've seen, it will at least be an option. Not sure if it is standard equipment. 2010 Prius will have the possibility of 4 driving modes, one of which is pure EV. Others are "standard", "economy", and "power".

Paul V. Pancella
professor and chair (269)387-4936
Physics Department
Western Michigan University

----- Original Message -----

From: mejidori

To: edrivephev@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2009 5:23 AM

Subject: [edrivephev] EV Mode 2010

Just noticed that the Prius entry on Wikipedia states:

"Prior to the 2010 model, the North American model did not have the 'EV' button"

So this implies the 2010 model here in the States will be equipped with it. Is this accurate?

Kind regards,
David

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#1029

From: "mejidori" <silas10961@...>
Date: Thu Jun 4, 2009 9:23 am
Subject: EV Mode 2010

mejidori

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Just noticed that the Prius entry on Wikipedia states:

"Prior to the 2010 model, the North American model did not have the 'EV' button"

So this implies the 2010 model here in the States will be equipped with it. Is
this accurate?

Kind regards,
David

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#1028

From: "mejidori" <silas10961@...>
Date: Thu Jun 4, 2009 8:56 am
Subject: PHEV Decal

mejidori

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Hello all,
How might I obtain this PHEV decal:

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.fquick.com/images/articles/285\
1.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.fquick.com/blog/Souped_up_Toyota_Prius_/285&usg=__uqF\
Y5VyLTeWLCS5ljxvfE44MLkg=&h=385&w=505&sz=177&hl=en&start=71&um=1&tbnid=I_o_yeP5V\
_WpPM:&tbnh=99&tbnw=130&prev=/images%3Fq%3DPHEV%2Bprius%26ndsp%3D18%26hl%3Den%26\
client%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26sa%3DN%26start%3D54%26um\
%3D1

If not that particular one are there other PHEV decal options anyone is aware
of?

Thanks!
David

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#1027

From: Greg Hanssen <greghanssen@...>
Date: Fri May 15, 2009 6:03 pm
Subject: Re: Would I be good candidate for PHEV? 110-mile daily r/t commute, all highway

gregzefiro

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Yeah, from an environmental standpoint, a moderate amount of battery can have a good payoff.. If not financially.. At the moment. Yes, you get assist at freeway speeds. But not much... Making it important to slow down. Maybe 10kw or so... So if you're going 75mph and using a lot of power, proportionally most is from gas. If you're only going 40-50mph though, then most of the power can come from that 10kw. At 60mph the gas engine usually runs but only provides half the power, the other half from batteries.

This is all done by tricking the hybrid controller into thinking the NiMH battery is dangerously full. It then proceeds to try to discharge the battery to reach a safe level.. In the process reducing gas consumption. If it wants to be 62% full, but we tell it that it's 75% full then it will try to get back to 62%. It's not smart enough to realize that the SOC is stuck at 75% and that it has already sucked out more juice than the stock NiMH could ever hold (we replace the entire battery unlike other conversions)

Sent from Greg's iPhone

On May 15, 2009, at 10:05 AM, "Adam Kuehn" <akuehn@...> wrote:

That's a bigger difference than I would have expected for freeway-speed
running. Are you constantly seeing electric assist when the auxiliary
battery is full, even at freeway speeds? The software must be using the
electric motor to take care of accelerations while the gas engine just runs
at the optimal RPM.

Your results make it seem even more worth it, to me. I don't mean "worth
it" for purely financial reasons, of course, but that is good
environmental/sustainability news.

-Adam

> -----Original Message-----
> From: edrivephev@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:edrivephev@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Greg Hanssen
> Sent: Friday, May 15, 2009 11:48 AM
> To: edrivephev@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [edrivephev] Would I be good candidate for PHEV?
> 110-mile daily r/t commute, all highway
>
>
>
> 110 miles is a hefty commute.. The batteries in most PHEVs wouldn't
> last for half of that (assuming you charged at work), so the
> incremental
> help of the battery would only be for the first X miles..
> after that you'd
> be getting normal Prius mpg (depending a lot on your speed!)
> For what it's worth, driving "the" EDrive car I can get over 100mpg
> around town if I don't drive more than 35-40 miles a day and I drive
> like grandma. Recently I've been commuting some days to San Diego
> 80 miles away. Now if I drive 55-65 mph, I can get over 100mph for
> the first 35-40 miles.. but lately I haven't had the patience
> for that so
> I'm driving over 75mph which only gets me about 70mpg.. When you
> throw in half of that drive without the battery at 75mph (ie 45mpg or
> so in a normal Prius) my average for the one way trip is about 60mpg.
> A converted Prius can drive all electric under 35mph (even under
> 55mph if you're mellow enough and the engine has warmed up). More
> than likely the engine will be running at speeds over 40mph though
> and it all depends on how hard you're pressing the gas pedal.
> At 55mph
> with a feather foot you can almost drive all electric. At
> 65mph you're
> using about half electric and half gas power (ie 100mpg) and at 75mph
> you're mostly using gas..
> Other PHEVs like the Chevy Volt (if it ever gets made) which are
> series hybrids can be 100% electric for as long as the
> battery permits..
> but that's a big battery.. Not sure if they're still
> shooting for 16kWh, that
> sounds extremely cost prohibitive.. the EDrive system is 7kWh and the
> old EnergyCS system was closer to 10kWh.
> But all of this is a rather moot point.. What you really want to ask
> yourself is if spending $10-$12k for a bigger battery for a
> 50mpg Prius
> will ever pay for itself and the answer is a resounding NO.
>
> -Greg Hanssen, EDrive
>
>
> On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 2:37 PM, Jon <kellejm2@yahoo.com
> <mailto:kellejm2@yahoo.com> > wrote:
>
>
>
>
> I'm curious to know if a PHEV would be a good fit for me.
>
> The reason I ask is because the information I've found
> on PHEVs all says basically "the engine won't kick on for 40
> miles, provided you stay under 35mph".
>
> My daily commute is 55 miles each way / 110 miles round
> trip (yes, I know, I suck, but it's a long story), and it's
> just about all highway, so I would not be going under 35mph.
>
> So...what happens when you have a PHEV, but you go
> 60mph right off the bat? Do you run on 100% battery power,
> but just for a much shorter amount of time? Or does the
> engine still run, but at a higher mpg than it would if you
> hadn't installed the plug-in mod? What kind of mpg are we
> talking here?
>
> I currently drive a diesel Jetta that, with my driving
> style, gets 46mpg. Would buying a Prius and doing a plug-in
> conversion on it be worthwhile?
>
> Thank you,
> Jon
>
>
>
>
>
>

#1026

From: "Adam Kuehn" <akuehn@...>
Date: Fri May 15, 2009 5:05 pm
Subject: RE: Would I be good candidate for PHEV? 110-mile daily r/t commute, all highway

kuehnweb

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That's a bigger difference than I would have expected for freeway-speed
running.  Are you constantly seeing electric assist when the auxiliary
battery is full, even at freeway speeds?  The software must be using the
electric motor to take care of accelerations while the gas engine just runs
at the optimal RPM.

Your results make it seem even more worth it, to me.  I don't mean "worth
it" for purely financial reasons, of course, but that is good
environmental/sustainability news.

-Adam

> -----Original Message-----
> From: edrivephev@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:edrivephev@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Greg Hanssen
> Sent: Friday, May 15, 2009 11:48 AM
> To: edrivephev@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [edrivephev] Would I be good candidate for PHEV?
> 110-mile daily r/t commute, all highway
>
>
>
> 110 miles is a hefty commute.. The batteries in most PHEVs wouldn't
> last for half of that (assuming you charged at work), so the
> incremental
> help of the battery would only be for the first X miles..
> after that you'd
> be getting normal Prius mpg (depending a lot on your speed!)
>    For what it's worth, driving "the" EDrive car I can get over 100mpg
> around town if I don't drive more than 35-40 miles a day and I drive
> like grandma.  Recently I've been commuting some days to San Diego
> 80 miles away.  Now if I drive 55-65 mph, I can get over 100mph for
> the first 35-40 miles.. but lately I haven't had the patience
> for that so
> I'm driving over 75mph which only gets me about 70mpg.. When you
> throw in half of that drive without the battery at 75mph (ie 45mpg or
> so in a normal Prius) my average for the one way trip is about 60mpg.
>     A converted Prius can drive all electric under 35mph (even under
> 55mph if you're mellow enough and the engine has warmed up).  More
> than likely the engine will be running at speeds over 40mph though
> and it all depends on how hard you're pressing the gas pedal.
>  At 55mph
> with a feather foot you can almost drive all electric.  At
> 65mph you're
> using about half electric and half gas power (ie 100mpg) and at 75mph
> you're mostly using gas..
>    Other PHEVs like the Chevy Volt (if it ever gets made) which are
> series hybrids can be 100% electric for as long as the
> battery permits..
> but that's a big battery..  Not sure if they're still
> shooting for 16kWh, that
> sounds extremely cost prohibitive.. the EDrive system is 7kWh and the
> old EnergyCS system was closer to 10kWh.
>   But all of this is a rather moot point.. What you really want to ask
> yourself is if spending $10-$12k for a bigger battery for a
> 50mpg Prius
> will ever pay for itself and the answer is a resounding NO.
>
> -Greg Hanssen, EDrive
>
>
> On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 2:37 PM, Jon <kellejm2@...
> <mailto:kellejm2@...> > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>  I'm curious to know if a PHEV would be a good fit for me.
>
>  The reason I ask is because the information I've found
> on PHEVs all says basically "the engine won't kick on for 40
> miles, provided you stay under 35mph".
>
>  My daily commute is 55 miles each way / 110 miles round
> trip (yes, I know, I suck, but it's a long story), and it's
> just about all highway, so I would not be going under 35mph.
>
>  So...what happens when you have a PHEV, but you go
> 60mph right off the bat? Do you run on 100% battery power,
> but just for a much shorter amount of time? Or does the
> engine still run, but at a higher mpg than it would if you
> hadn't installed the plug-in mod? What kind of mpg are we
> talking here?
>
>  I currently drive a diesel Jetta that, with my driving
> style, gets 46mpg. Would buying a Prius and doing a plug-in
> conversion on it be worthwhile?
>
>  Thank you,
>  Jon
>
>
>
>
>
>

#1025

From: Greg Hanssen <greghanssen@...>
Date: Fri May 15, 2009 3:48 pm
Subject: Re: Would I be good candidate for PHEV? 110-mile daily r/t commute, all highway

gregzefiro

Offline

110 miles is a hefty commute.. The batteries in most PHEVs wouldn't

last for half of that (assuming you charged at work), so the incremental

help of the battery would only be for the first X miles.. after that you'd

be getting normal Prius mpg (depending a lot on your speed!)

�� For what it's worth, driving "the" EDrive car I can get over 100mpg

around town if I don't drive more than 35-40 miles a day and I drive

like grandma. �Recently I've been commuting some days to San Diego

80 miles away. �Now if I drive 55-65 mph, I can get over 100mph for

the first 35-40 miles.. but lately I haven't had the patience for that so

I'm driving over 75mph which only gets me about 70mpg.. When you

throw in half of that drive without the battery at 75mph (ie 45mpg or

so in a normal Prius) my average for the one way trip is about 60mpg.

�� A converted Prius can drive all electric under 35mph (even under

55mph if you're mellow enough and the engine has warmed up). �More

than likely the engine will be running at speeds over 40mph though

and it all depends on how hard you're pressing the gas pedal. �At 55mph

with a feather foot you can almost drive all electric. �At 65mph you're

using about half electric and half gas power (ie 100mpg) and at 75mph

you're mostly using gas..

�� Other PHEVs like the Chevy Volt (if it ever gets made) which are

series hybrids can be 100% electric for as long as the battery permits..

but that's a big battery.. �Not sure if they're still shooting for 16kWh, that

sounds extremely cost prohibitive.. the EDrive system is 7kWh and the

old EnergyCS system was closer to 10kWh.

��But all of this is a rather moot point.. What you really want to ask

yourself is if spending $10-$12k for a bigger battery for a 50mpg Prius

will ever pay for�itself and the answer is a resounding NO.

-Greg Hanssen, EDrive

On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 2:37 PM, Jon <kellejm2@...> wrote:

I'm curious to know if a PHEV would be a good fit for me.

The reason I ask is because the information I've found on PHEVs all says basically "the engine won't kick on for 40 miles, provided you stay under 35mph".

My daily commute is 55 miles each way / 110 miles round trip (yes, I know, I suck, but it's a long story), and it's just about all highway, so I would not be going under 35mph.

So...what happens when you have a PHEV, but you go 60mph right off the bat? Do you run on 100% battery power, but just for a much shorter amount of time? Or does the engine still run, but at a higher mpg than it would if you hadn't installed the plug-in mod? What kind of mpg are we talking here?

I currently drive a diesel Jetta that, with my driving style, gets 46mpg. Would buying a Prius and doing a plug-in conversion on it be worthwhile?

Thank you,
Jon

#1024

From: "rick reynolds" <trikrick@...>
Date: Thu May 14, 2009 3:10 pm
Subject: Re: Would I be good candidate for PHEV? 110-mile daily r/t commute, all highway

thetrickrick

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I have a 2001 Mirage, normal engine, 1500 cc,
avg 42 pmg, very light footed, deal with the horns getting on the freeway.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Adam Kuehn" <akuehn@...>
To: <edrivephev@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 5:25 PM
Subject: RE: [edrivephev] Would I be good candidate for PHEV? 110-mile daily
r/t commute, all highway


>I don't know what what driving style gets you 46mpg in the Jetta, but I can
> tell you that a Prius should get 52-53mpg EASILY on a 55-65mph route
> without
> tons of hills on a normal temperature day (slightly less in cold weather
> or
> with lots of a/c).  That's without any modification.  Proper technique can
> tease that up over 60mpg, again on a stock vehicle, and without going
> significantly under the speed limit.  Assuming your normal driving style
> isn't outrageously aggressive, I'd think your mileage would be 20% better
> in
> a Prius, not tied.
>
> If this is truly your main use, though, I wouldn't think the PHEV pack
> would
> help much.  It should help some, of course, but will be most effective in
> relatively low-speed or stop-and-go conditions.
>
> -Adam
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: edrivephev@yahoogroups.com
>> [mailto:edrivephev@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Steve Radich
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 7:42 PM
>> To: edrivephev@yahoogroups.com
>> Subject: RE: [edrivephev] Would I be good candidate for PHEV?
>> 110-mile daily r/t commute, all highway
>>
>>
>>
>> Prius and jetta tdi are virtually tied on highway milege imho
>> (i have both a 2002 jetta and 2006 prius).
>>
>> The price difference between diesel and gas is going to be
>> the only significant difference, honestly for that I wouldn't
>> buy a prius (long term more maint versus simple diesel).
>>
>> Theres also a lot of articles that question longer term
>> resale value of hybrids..
>>
>> Now that im done with the negative.. Comparison wise I feel
>> the prius is a MUCH nicer car, in the summer and stuck in
>> traffic (ac on) its like comparing a tractor trailer to your jetta..
>>
>> Steve Radich - BitShop.com - From pda so slightly brief..
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Jon <kellejm2@... <mailto:kellejm2%40yahoo.com> >
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 5:37 PM
>> To: edrivephev@yahoogroups.com
>> <mailto:edrivephev%40yahoogroups.com>
>> <edrivephev@yahoogroups.com <mailto:edrivephev%40yahoogroups.com> >
>> Subject: [edrivephev] Would I be good candidate for PHEV?
>> 110-mile daily r/t commute, all highway
>>
>> I'm curious to know if a PHEV would be a good fit for me.
>>
>> The reason I ask is because the information I've found on
>> PHEVs all says basically "the engine won't kick on for 40
>> miles, provided you stay under 35mph".
>>
>> My daily commute is 55 miles each way / 110 miles round trip
>> (yes, I know, I suck, but it's a long story), and it's just
>> about all highway, so I would not be going under 35mph.
>>
>> So...what happens when you have a PHEV, but you go 60mph
>> right off the bat? Do you run on 100% battery power, but just
>> for a much shorter amount of time? Or does the engine still
>> run, but at a higher mpg than it would if you hadn't
>> installed the plug-in mod? What kind of mpg are we talking here?
>>
>> I currently drive a diesel Jetta that, with my driving style,
>> gets 46mpg. Would buying a Prius and doing a plug-in
>> conversion on it be worthwhile?
>>
>> Thank you,
>> Jon
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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#1023

From: "Steve Radich" <stever@...>
Date: Thu May 14, 2009 2:29 am
Subject: RE: Would I be good candidate for PHEV? 110-mile daily r/t commute, all highway

bitshop5

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I know the newer Jettas are faster but a little less MPG than mine, but I don’t think you can get the Prius to be more than 1-3 MPG difference with the same driving techniques.

Yes, driving technique WILL get you higher MPG, but that’s true of any car.. not jamming on the throttle then breaking or even decelerating, etc. Steady speed and smooth driving will get both cars improved MPG, but I think the improvement will be about equal.

I can drive my mother’s Passat TDI and usually get 5-10 MPG better than she can, it drives her crazy. I have no idea what we do different, but it’s consistent.

In traffic and ideal conditions I think my record in the Prius was 86 MPG for about 20 miles, the Jetta can’t even begin to compete with that. However if you’re driving highway, NOT in stop and go traffic I think the Jetta is at least equal overall investment (including long term maint costs and fuel extra costs) – Now you can argue Diesel vs Gas for the environment.

All this said there’s no other non-hybrid cars IMHO that are in the league of the Jetta – although the Mercedes diesels (if in your price range / style) I’ve heard a LOT of good about.. Those looking at the Mercedes likely aren’t considering a Prius though.

Good luck, perhaps you can find someone with a Prius that would swap cars a day for their commutes (or a couple days).

Taking it easy on my Jetta I used to get 54-56 MPG, my Prius generally I get 45-49 MPG – but completely different commute than I used to have (many short trips / engine warming up and wasting fuel). Worst thing a 91 Corvette got over 30 consistently (and I don’t think I ever drove it conservatively an entire tank). That was how I ended up in a Jetta, I refused to buy a car that got worse mileage than a Corvette I had gotten rid of a while before.. Amazingly few cars were rated over 30.

Steve Radich - Founder and Principal of Business Information Technology Shop - www.bitshop.com

Developer Resources Site: www.ASPDeveloper.Net - www.VirtualServerFAQ.com

LinkedIn Public Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/steveradich

From: edrivephev@yahoogroups.com [mailto:edrivephev@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Adam Kuehn
Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 8:26 PM
To: edrivephev@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [edrivephev] Would I be good candidate for PHEV? 110-mile daily r/t commute, all highway

I don't know what what driving style gets you 46mpg in the Jetta, but I can
tell you that a Prius should get 52-53mpg EASILY on a 55-65mph route without
tons of hills on a normal temperature day (slightly less in cold weather or
with lots of a/c). That's without any modification. Proper technique can
tease that up over 60mpg, again on a stock vehicle, and without going
significantly under the speed limit. Assuming your normal driving style
isn't outrageously aggressive, I'd think your mileage would be 20% better in
a Prius, not tied.

If this is truly your main use, though, I wouldn't think the PHEV pack would
help much. It should help some, of course, but will be most effective in
relatively low-speed or stop-and-go conditions.

-Adam

> -----Original Message-----
> From: edrivephev@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:edrivephev@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Steve Radich
> Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 7:42 PM
> To: edrivephev@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [edrivephev] Would I be good candidate for PHEV?
> 110-mile daily r/t commute, all highway
>
>
>
> Prius and jetta tdi are virtually tied on highway milege imho
> (i have both a 2002 jetta and 2006 prius).
>
> The price difference between diesel and gas is going to be
> the only significant difference, honestly for that I wouldn't
> buy a prius (long term more maint versus simple diesel).
>
> Theres also a lot of articles that question longer term
> resale value of hybrids..
>
> Now that im done with the negative.. Comparison wise I feel
> the prius is a MUCH nicer car, in the summer and stuck in
> traffic (ac on) its like comparing a tractor trailer to your jetta..
>
> Steve Radich - BitShop.com - From pda so slightly brief..
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jon <kellejm2@... <mailto:kellejm2%40yahoo.com> >
> Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 5:37 PM
> To: edrivephev@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:edrivephev%40yahoogroups.com>
> <edrivephev@yahoogroups.com <mailto:edrivephev%40yahoogroups.com> >
> Subject: [edrivephev] Would I be good candidate for PHEV?
> 110-mile daily r/t commute, all highway
>
> I'm curious to know if a PHEV would be a good fit for me.
>
> The reason I ask is because the information I've found on
> PHEVs all says basically "the engine won't kick on for 40
> miles, provided you stay under 35mph".
>
> My daily commute is 55 miles each way / 110 miles round trip
> (yes, I know, I suck, but it's a long story), and it's just
> about all highway, so I would not be going under 35mph.
>
> So...what happens when you have a PHEV, but you go 60mph
> right off the bat? Do you run on 100% battery power, but just
> for a much shorter amount of time? Or does the engine still
> run, but at a higher mpg than it would if you hadn't
> installed the plug-in mod? What kind of mpg are we talking here?
>
> I currently drive a diesel Jetta that, with my driving style,
> gets 46mpg. Would buying a Prius and doing a plug-in
> conversion on it be worthwhile?
>
> Thank you,
> Jon
>
>
>
>
>

#1022

From: "Adam Kuehn" <akuehn@...>
Date: Thu May 14, 2009 12:25 am
Subject: RE: Would I be good candidate for PHEV? 110-mile daily r/t commute, all highway

kuehnweb

Offline

I don't know what what driving style gets you 46mpg in the Jetta, but I can
tell you that a Prius should get 52-53mpg EASILY on a 55-65mph route without
tons of hills on a normal temperature day (slightly less in cold weather or
with lots of a/c).  That's without any modification.  Proper technique can
tease that up over 60mpg, again on a stock vehicle, and without going
significantly under the speed limit.  Assuming your normal driving style
isn't outrageously aggressive, I'd think your mileage would be 20% better in
a Prius, not tied.

If this is truly your main use, though, I wouldn't think the PHEV pack would
help much.  It should help some, of course, but will be most effective in
relatively low-speed or stop-and-go conditions.

-Adam

> -----Original Message-----
> From: edrivephev@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:edrivephev@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Steve Radich
> Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 7:42 PM
> To: edrivephev@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [edrivephev] Would I be good candidate for PHEV?
> 110-mile daily r/t commute, all highway
>
>
>
> Prius and jetta tdi are virtually tied on highway milege imho
> (i have both a 2002 jetta and 2006 prius).
>
> The price difference between diesel and gas is going to be
> the only significant difference, honestly for that I wouldn't
> buy a prius (long term more maint versus simple diesel).
>
> Theres also a lot of articles that question longer term
> resale value of hybrids..
>
> Now that im done with the negative.. Comparison wise I feel
> the prius is a MUCH nicer car, in the summer and stuck in
> traffic (ac on) its like comparing a tractor trailer to your jetta..
>
> Steve Radich - BitShop.com - From pda so slightly brief..
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jon <kellejm2@... <mailto:kellejm2%40yahoo.com> >
> Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 5:37 PM
> To: edrivephev@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:edrivephev%40yahoogroups.com>
> <edrivephev@yahoogroups.com <mailto:edrivephev%40yahoogroups.com> >
> Subject: [edrivephev] Would I be good candidate for PHEV?
> 110-mile daily r/t commute, all highway
>
> I'm curious to know if a PHEV would be a good fit for me.
>
> The reason I ask is because the information I've found on
> PHEVs all says basically "the engine won't kick on for 40
> miles, provided you stay under 35mph".
>
> My daily commute is 55 miles each way / 110 miles round trip
> (yes, I know, I suck, but it's a long story), and it's just
> about all highway, so I would not be going under 35mph.
>
> So...what happens when you have a PHEV, but you go 60mph
> right off the bat? Do you run on 100% battery power, but just
> for a much shorter amount of time? Or does the engine still
> run, but at a higher mpg than it would if you hadn't
> installed the plug-in mod? What kind of mpg are we talking here?
>
> I currently drive a diesel Jetta that, with my driving style,
> gets 46mpg. Would buying a Prius and doing a plug-in
> conversion on it be worthwhile?
>
> Thank you,
> Jon
>
>
>
>
>

#1021

From: "Michael" <mail@...>
Date: Thu May 14, 2009 12:18 am
Subject: RE: Would I be good candidate for PHEV? 110-mile daily r/t commute, all highway

mericfletcher

Offline

Personally with a vehicle already getting 46 mpg, I would stick with the Jetta. Also, on a personal note, I am hoping to be able to hold out for the air cars that are suppose to be available towards the end of this year, early next year AND are suppose to get around 100 mpg. I will admit that I am not holding my breath but on the other hand I am not hurting very much for a car either.

From: edrivephev@yahoogroups.com [mailto:edrivephev@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jon
Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 3:38 PM
To: edrivephev@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [edrivephev] Would I be good candidate for PHEV? 110-mile daily r/t commute, all highway

I'm curious to know if a PHEV would be a good fit for me.

The reason I ask is because the information I've found on PHEVs all says basically "the engine won't kick on for 40 miles, provided you stay under 35mph".

My daily commute is 55 miles each way / 110 miles round trip (yes, I know, I suck, but it's a long story), and it's just about all highway, so I would not be going under 35mph.

So...what happens when you have a PHEV, but you go 60mph right off the bat? Do you run on 100% battery power, but just for a much shorter amount of time? Or does the engine still run, but at a higher mpg than it would if you hadn't installed the plug-in mod? What kind of mpg are we talking here?

I currently drive a diesel Jetta that, with my driving style, gets 46mpg. Would buying a Prius and doing a plug-in conversion on it be worthwhile?

Thank you,
Jon

#1020

From: "Steve Radich" <stever@...>
Date: Wed May 13, 2009 11:42 pm
Subject: RE: Would I be good candidate for PHEV? 110-mile daily r/t commute, all highway

bitshop5

Offline

Prius and jetta tdi are virtually tied on highway milege imho (i have both a
2002 jetta and 2006 prius).

The price difference between diesel and gas is going to be the only significant
difference, honestly for that I wouldn't buy a prius (long term more maint
versus simple diesel).

Theres also a lot of articles that question longer term resale value of
hybrids..

Now that im done with the negative.. Comparison wise I feel the prius is a MUCH
nicer car, in the summer and stuck in traffic (ac on) its like comparing a
tractor trailer to your jetta..

Steve Radich - BitShop.com - From pda so slightly brief..

-----Original Message-----
From: Jon <kellejm2@...>
Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 5:37 PM
To: edrivephev@yahoogroups.com <edrivephev@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [edrivephev] Would I be good candidate for PHEV?  110-mile daily r/t
commute, all highway



I'm curious to know if a PHEV would be a good fit for me.

The reason I ask is because the information I've found on PHEVs all says
basically "the engine won't kick on for 40 miles, provided you stay under
35mph".

My daily commute is 55 miles each way / 110 miles round trip (yes, I know, I
suck, but it's a long story), and it's just about all highway, so I would not be
going under 35mph.

So...what happens when you have a PHEV, but you go 60mph right off the bat? Do
you run on 100% battery power, but just for a much shorter amount of time? Or
does the engine still run, but at a higher mpg than it would if you hadn't
installed the plug-in mod? What kind of mpg are we talking here?

I currently drive a diesel Jetta that, with my driving style, gets 46mpg. Would
buying a Prius and doing a plug-in conversion on it be worthwhile?

Thank you,
Jon

#1019

From: "jridge101" <jridge101@...>
Date: Wed May 13, 2009 10:34 pm
Subject: Re: Would I be good candidate for PHEV? 110-mile daily r/t commute, all highway

jridge101

Offline

I used to drive a lot of miles everyday as well, but I was always hitting
traffic, that is when your PHEV would save you a lot of gas. Even a Prius will
turn on and off, in traffic, you could just install an electric only mode on the
prius it is a 15 min install that allows you to override the engine until it
reaches 35mph or the battery charge goes down to threshold. Cheaper than doing a
PHEV if you only drive a few miles to and from a freeway ramp.

--- In edrivephev@yahoogroups.com, "Jon" <kellejm2@...> wrote:
>
> I'm curious to know if a PHEV would be a good fit for me.
>
> The reason I ask is because the information I've found on PHEVs all says
basically "the engine won't kick on for 40 miles, provided you stay under
35mph".
>
> My daily commute is 55 miles each way / 110 miles round trip (yes, I know, I
suck, but it's a long story), and it's just about all highway, so I would not be
going under 35mph.
>
> So...what happens when you have a PHEV, but you go 60mph right off the bat? 
Do you run on 100% battery power, but just for a much shorter amount of time? 
Or does the engine still run, but at a higher mpg than it would if you hadn't
installed the plug-in mod?  What kind of mpg are we talking here?
>
> I currently drive a diesel Jetta that, with my driving style, gets 46mpg. 
Would buying a Prius and doing a plug-in conversion on it be worthwhile?
>
> Thank you,
> Jon
>

#1018

From: "Jon" <kellejm2@...>
Date: Wed May 13, 2009 9:37 pm
Subject: Would I be good candidate for PHEV? 110-mile daily r/t commute, all highway

kellejm2

Offline

I'm curious to know if a PHEV would be a good fit for me.

The reason I ask is because the information I've found on PHEVs all says
basically "the engine won't kick on for 40 miles, provided you stay under
35mph".

My daily commute is 55 miles each way / 110 miles round trip (yes, I know, I
suck, but it's a long story), and it's just about all highway, so I would not be
going under 35mph.

So...what happens when you have a PHEV, but you go 60mph right off the bat?  Do
you run on 100% battery power, but just for a much shorter amount of time?  Or
does the engine still run, but at a higher mpg than it would if you hadn't
installed the plug-in mod?  What kind of mpg are we talking here?

I currently drive a diesel Jetta that, with my driving style, gets 46mpg.  Would
buying a Prius and doing a plug-in conversion on it be worthwhile?

Thank you,
Jon

#1017

From: "bamdet" <bruceam@...>
Date: Mon May 4, 2009 3:20 am
Subject: Re: Prius as a home generator

bamdet

Offline

I am not pushing anything and Squidoo didn't take the link down it was just the
wrong link. The guy in the video uses a GM alternator as the DC generator and
then shows how he uses an inverter to convert to AC power.  You could use the
same inverter system connected to the Prius battery.  The video is free and in
fact has four parts that describes construction from start to end.

Generating power from wind generators is a proven technology and it works.  I
didn't say you could live off the grid but you certainly can generate usable
back-up power and charge battery banks.

You say "eco scams and cynical ploy"  Don't you think that is a little over the
top?  The video is quite interesting and it is because I do own a Prius I became
quite interested in doing more.

When the Prius becomes a true plugin (which is soon)I will use wind and sun to
charge the prius battery pack. It will then have the circuitry built in to
safely charge from AC power.

This can easily be done if you have a little know how...if not I guess you just
call it a scam.

Bruce

--- In edrivephev@yahoogroups.com, William White <ejbmonkey@...> wrote:
>
> This is an interesting thread, but I am skeptical of anyone trying to push an
affiliate product such as http://www.homemadewindgenerators.net/
>
> I'm not surprised that squidoo took your site/that link down.
>
> For anyone else who may have run into these myriad eco scams - earth4energy,
DIY green energy, homemade energy, etc... and wondered if it was legit -  please
be aware that this is a particularly cynical ploy:
>
> http://blog.opensolar.org/2009/02/earth4energyscam-scam.html#comments
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: bamdet <bruceam@...>
> To: edrivephev@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, May 2, 2009 7:21:15 AM
> Subject: [edrivephev] Re: Prius as a home generator
>
>
>
>
>
> I came across a very informative video on how homemade wind generator are made
from common tools and materials. I am in the process of building one of these as
a test and will use it to charge a battery bank for emergency power for my home.
You know those summer storms are on the way and where I live we lose power
frequently. I think much more practical than trying to use a car and run the
risk of damage.
> http://www.squidoo. com/lensmaster/ new_workshop/ homemade- windgenerators
>
> > Thom wrote:
> > > This post below by Bruce is actually the greener method out of all these
posts - which - isn't that the point of the vehicle? There are electric vehicle
clubs/orgs here in Florida that are building their own solar panels to charge
their EV's (takes about 6-8 hours full sun)and they give out all the
instructions and part sources free in hopes of passing legislation.
> > >
> > > That being said, if you are in an emergency situation - earthquake,
hurricane, etc, where the main power grid is down, I can see where this might be
useful. But I would rather have my vehicle fully charged and ready to roll than
have some extra discharge for the house when a generator from Home Depot or
Lowes can do much more efficent transfer (and safer) for whole house needs....my
2 and 1/2 cents :)
> > >
> > > --- In edrivephev@yahoogro ups.com, "bamdet" <bruceam@> wrote:
> > >
> > >> --- In edrivephev@yahoogro ups.com, "deanrholden" <dh@> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Does anyone have detailed info about or know of a website that has info
about hooking up an inverter to a Prius and using it as an emergency generator
for your home?
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >> The battery system in the Prius would not provide any meaningful power
for your home.  Just not enough storage capacity. A much better solution is the
use of homemade wind generators and solar panels which can be built very cheaply
with common tools and materials. In conjunction with 4-6 12 vdc deep cycle
batteries as a storage bank connected through an inverter and charged by
homemade wind generators and solar panels can give reliable backup power for
your home.
> > >>
> > >> http://www.homemade windgenerators. net
> > >>
> > >>
> >
>

#1016

From: William White <ejbmonkey@...>
Date: Mon May 4, 2009 12:19 am
Subject: Re: Re: Prius as a home generator

ejbmonkey

Offline

Bruce,

I appreciate your perspective as a Clickbank affiliate and your efforts as an Internet marketer. I work in this industry too, so I don't begrudge you simply for trying to earn a living on the web.

All I'm saying is that you're earning a 75% referral fee for the "products" that you advertise at http://www.homemadewindgenerators.net, so when you promote them on this list - your objectivity comes into question.

Some things are more important in this world than easy clickbank cash.

http://www.nlcpr.com/Deceptions6.php

Kind Regards,

William.

From: bamdet <bruceam@...>
To: edrivephev@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, May 3, 2009 7:43:19 AM
Subject: [edrivephev] Re: Prius as a home generator

I am not pushing anything and Squidoo didn't take the link down it was just the wrong link. The guy in the video uses a GM alternator as the DC generator and then shows how he uses an inverter to convert to AC power. You could use the same inverter system connected to the Prius battery. The video is free and in fact has four parts that describes construction from start to end.

Generating power from wind generators is a proven technology and it works. I didn't say you could live off the grid but you certainly can generate usable back-up power and charge battery banks.

You say "eco scams and cynical ploy" Don't you think that is a little over the top? The video is quite interesting and it is because I do own a Prius I became quite interested in doing more.

When the Prius becomes a true plugin (which is soon)I will use wind and sun to charge the prius battery pack. It will then have the circuitry built in to safely charge from AC power.

This can easily be done if you have a little know how...if not I guess you just call it a scam.

Bruce

--- In edrivephev@yahoogro ups.com, William White <ejbmonkey@. ..> wrote:
>
> This is an interesting thread, but I am skeptical of anyone trying to push an affiliate product such as http://www.homemade windgenerators. net/
>
> I'm not surprised that squidoo took your site/that link down.
>
> For anyone else who may have run into these myriad eco scams - earth4energy, DIY green energy, homemade energy, etc... and wondered if it was legit - please be aware that this is a particularly cynical ploy:
>
> http://blog. opensolar. org/2009/ 02/earth4energys cam-scam. html#comments
>
>
>
>
> ____________ _________ _________ __
> From: bamdet <bruceam@... >
> To: edrivephev@yahoogro ups.com
> Sent: Saturday, May 2, 2009 7:21:15 AM
> Subject: [edrivephev] Re: Prius as a home generator
>
>
>
>
>
> I came across a very informative video on how homemade wind generator are made from common tools and materials. I am in the process of building one of these as a test and will use it to charge a battery bank for emergency power for my home. You know those summer storms are on the way and where I live we lose power frequently. I think much more practical than trying to use a car and run the risk of damage.
> http://www.squidoo. com/lensmaster/ new_workshop/ homemade- windgenerators
>
> > Thom wrote:
> > > This post below by Bruce is actually the greener method out of all these posts - which - isn't that the point of the vehicle? There are electric vehicle clubs/orgs here in Florida that are building their own solar panels to charge their EV's (takes about 6-8 hours full sun)and they give out all the instructions and part sources free in hopes of passing legislation.
> > >
> > > That being said, if you are in an emergency situation - earthquake, hurricane, etc, where the main power grid is down, I can see where this might be useful. But I would rather have my vehicle fully charged and ready to roll than have some extra discharge for the house when a generator from Home Depot or Lowes can do much more efficent transfer (and safer) for whole house needs....my 2 and 1/2 cents :)
> > >
> > > --- In edrivephev@yahoogro ups.com, "bamdet" <bruceam@> wrote:
> > >
> > >> --- In edrivephev@yahoogro ups.com, "deanrholden" <dh@> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Does anyone have detailed info about or know of a website that has info about hooking up an inverter to a Prius and using it as an emergency generator for your home?
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >> The battery system in the Prius would not provide any meaningful power for your home. Just not enough storage capacity. A much better solution is the use of homemade wind generators and solar panels which can be built very cheaply with common tools and materials. In conjunction with 4-6 12 vdc deep cycle batteries as a storage bank connected through an inverter and charged by homemade wind generators and solar panels can give reliable backup power for your home.
> > >>
> > >> http://www.homemade windgenerators. net
> > >>
> > >>
> >
>

#1015

From: "bamdet" <bruceam@...>
Date: Sun May 3, 2009 2:43 pm
Subject: Re: Prius as a home generator

bamdet

Offline

I am not pushing anything and Squidoo didn't take the link down it was just the
wrong link. The guy in the video uses a GM alternator as the DC generator and
then shows how he uses an inverter to convert to AC power.  You could use the
same inverter system connected to the Prius battery.  The video is free and in
fact has four parts that describes construction from start to end.

Generating power from wind generators is a proven technology and it works.  I
didn't say you could live off the grid but you certainly can generate usable
back-up power and charge battery banks.

You say "eco scams and cynical ploy"  Don't you think that is a little over the
top?  The video is quite interesting and it is because I do own a Prius I became
quite interested in doing more.

When the Prius becomes a true plugin (which is soon)I will use wind and sun to
charge the prius battery pack. It will then have the circuitry built in to
safely charge from AC power.

This can easily be done if you have a little know how...if not I guess you just
call it a scam.

Bruce

--- In edrivephev@yahoogroups.com, William White <ejbmonkey@...> wrote:
>
> This is an interesting thread, but I am skeptical of anyone trying to push an
affiliate product such as http://www.homemadewindgenerators.net/
>
> I'm not surprised that squidoo took your site/that link down.
>
> For anyone else who may have run into these myriad eco scams - earth4energy,
DIY green energy, homemade energy, etc... and wondered if it was legit -  please
be aware that this is a particularly cynical ploy:
>
> http://blog.opensolar.org/2009/02/earth4energyscam-scam.html#comments
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: bamdet <bruceam@...>
> To: edrivephev@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, May 2, 2009 7:21:15 AM
> Subject: [edrivephev] Re: Prius as a home generator
>
>
>
>
>
> I came across a very informative video on how homemade wind generator are made
from common tools and materials. I am in the process of building one of these as
a test and will use it to charge a battery bank for emergency power for my home.
You know those summer storms are on the way and where I live we lose power
frequently. I think much more practical than trying to use a car and run the
risk of damage.
> http://www.squidoo. com/lensmaster/ new_workshop/ homemade- windgenerators
>
> > Thom wrote:
> > > This post below by Bruce is actually the greener method out of all these
posts - which - isn't that the point of the vehicle? There are electric vehicle
clubs/orgs here in Florida that are building their own solar panels to charge
their EV's (takes about 6-8 hours full sun)and they give out all the
instructions and part sources free in hopes of passing legislation.
> > >
> > > That being said, if you are in an emergency situation - earthquake,
hurricane, etc, where the main power grid is down, I can see where this might be
useful. But I would rather have my vehicle fully charged and ready to roll than
have some extra discharge for the house when a generator from Home Depot or
Lowes can do much more efficent transfer (and safer) for whole house needs....my
2 and 1/2 cents :)
> > >
> > > --- In edrivephev@yahoogro ups.com, "bamdet" <bruceam@> wrote:
> > >
> > >> --- In edrivephev@yahoogro ups.com, "deanrholden" <dh@> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Does anyone have detailed info about or know of a website that has info
about hooking up an inverter to a Prius and using it as an emergency generator
for your home?
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >> The battery system in the Prius would not provide any meaningful power
for your home.  Just not enough storage capacity. A much better solution is the
use of homemade wind generators and solar panels which can be built very cheaply
with common tools and materials. In conjunction with 4-6 12 vdc deep cycle
batteries as a storage bank connected through an inverter and charged by
homemade wind generators and solar panels can give reliable backup power for
your home.
> > >>
> > >> http://www.homemade windgenerators. net
> > >>
> > >>
> >
>

#1014

From: "Thom" <digartz@...>
Date: Sat May 2, 2009 3:19 pm
Subject: Re: Prius as a home generator

digartz

Offline

This is one of the better DIY sites for everything under the sun and then some!
A few of the posts are pretty lame, but if you dig you'll find some really
useful and interesting gems. They do nice steps and photos:
http://www.instructables.com/

--- In edrivephev@yahoogroups.com, William White <ejbmonkey@...> wrote:
>
> This is an interesting thread, but I am skeptical of anyone trying to push an
affiliate product such as http://www.homemadewindgenerators.net/
>
> I'm not surprised that squidoo took your site/that link down.
>
> For anyone else who may have run into these myriad eco scams - earth4energy,
DIY green energy, homemade energy, etc... and wondered if it was legit -  please
be aware that this is a particularly cynical ploy:
>
> http://blog.opensolar.org/2009/02/earth4energyscam-scam.html#comments
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: bamdet <bruceam@...>
> To: edrivephev@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, May 2, 2009 7:21:15 AM
> Subject: [edrivephev] Re: Prius as a home generator
>
>
>
>
>
> I came across a very informative video on how homemade wind generator are made
from common tools and materials. I am in the process of building one of these as
a test and will use it to charge a battery bank for emergency power for my home.
You know those summer storms are on the way and where I live we lose power
frequently. I think much more practical than trying to use a car and run the
risk of damage.
> http://www.squidoo. com/lensmaster/ new_workshop/ homemade- windgenerators
>
> > Thom wrote:
> > > This post below by Bruce is actually the greener method out of all these
posts - which - isn't that the point of the vehicle? There are electric vehicle
clubs/orgs here in Florida that are building their own solar panels to charge
their EV's (takes about 6-8 hours full sun)and they give out all the
instructions and part sources free in hopes of passing legislation.
> > >
> > > That being said, if you are in an emergency situation - earthquake,
hurricane, etc, where the main power grid is down, I can see where this might be
useful. But I would rather have my vehicle fully charged and ready to roll than
have some extra discharge for the house when a generator from Home Depot or
Lowes can do much more efficent transfer (and safer) for whole house needs....my
2 and 1/2 cents :)
> > >
> > > --- In edrivephev@yahoogro ups.com, "bamdet" <bruceam@> wrote:
> > >
> > >> --- In edrivephev@yahoogro ups.com, "deanrholden" <dh@> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Does anyone have detailed info about or know of a website that has info
about hooking up an inverter to a Prius and using it as an emergency generator
for your home?
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >> The battery system in the Prius would not provide any meaningful power
for your home.  Just not enough storage capacity. A much better solution is the
use of homemade wind generators and solar panels which can be built very cheaply
with common tools and materials. In conjunction with 4-6 12 vdc deep cycle
batteries as a storage bank connected through an inverter and charged by
homemade wind generators and solar panels can give reliable backup power for
your home.
> > >>
> > >> http://www.homemade windgenerators. net
> > >>
> > >>
> >
>

#1013

From: William White <ejbmonkey@...>
Date: Sat May 2, 2009 3:08 pm
Subject: Re: Re: Prius as a home generator

ejbmonkey

Offline

This is an interesting thread, but I am skeptical of anyone trying to push an affiliate product such as http://www.homemadewindgenerators.net/

I'm not surprised that squidoo took your site/that link down.

For anyone else who may have run into these myriad eco scams - earth4energy, DIY green energy, homemade energy, etc... and wondered if it was legit - please be aware that this is a particularly cynical ploy:

http://blog.opensolar.org/2009/02/earth4energyscam-scam.html#comments

From: bamdet <bruceam@...>
To: edrivephev@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, May 2, 2009 7:21:15 AM
Subject: [edrivephev] Re: Prius as a home generator

I came across a very informative video on how homemade wind generator are made from common tools and materials. I am in the process of building one of these as a test and will use it to charge a battery bank for emergency power for my home. You know those summer storms are on the way and where I live we lose power frequently. I think much more practical than trying to use a car and run the risk of damage.
http://www.squidoo. com/lensmaster/ new_workshop/ homemade- windgenerators

> Thom wrote:
> > This post below by Bruce is actually the greener method out of all these posts - which - isn't that the point of the vehicle? There are electric vehicle clubs/orgs here in Florida that are building their own solar panels to charge their EV's (takes about 6-8 hours full sun)and they give out all the instructions and part sources free in hopes of passing legislation.
> >
> > That being said, if you are in an emergency situation - earthquake, hurricane, etc, where the main power grid is down, I can see where this might be useful. But I would rather have my vehicle fully charged and ready to roll than have some extra discharge for the house when a generator from Home Depot or Lowes can do much more efficent transfer (and safer) for whole house needs....my 2 and 1/2 cents :)
> >
> > --- In edrivephev@yahoogro ups.com, "bamdet" <bruceam@> wrote:
> >
> >> --- In edrivephev@yahoogro ups.com, "deanrholden" <dh@> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Does anyone have detailed info about or know of a website that has info about hooking up an inverter to a Prius and using it as an emergency generator for your home?
> >>>
> >>>
> >> The battery system in the Prius would not provide any meaningful power for your home. Just not enough storage capacity. A much better solution is the use of homemade wind generators and solar panels which can be built very cheaply with common tools and materials. In conjunction with 4-6 12 vdc deep cycle batteries as a storage bank connected through an inverter and charged by homemade wind generators and solar panels can give reliable backup power for your home.
> >>
> >> http://www.homemade windgenerators. net
> >>
> >>
>

#1012

From: "bamdet" <bruceam@...>
Date: Sat May 2, 2009 2:21 pm
Subject: Re: Prius as a home generator

bamdet

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I came across a very informative video on how homemade wind generator are made
from common tools and materials. I am in the process of building one of these as
a test and will use it to charge a battery bank for emergency power for my home.
You know those summer storms are on the way and where I live we lose power
frequently. I think much more practical than trying to use a car and run the
risk of damage.
http://www.squidoo.com/lensmaster/new_workshop/homemade-windgenerators

> Thom wrote:
> > This post below by Bruce is actually the greener method out of all these
posts - which - isn't that the point of the vehicle? There are electric vehicle
clubs/orgs here in Florida that are building their own solar panels to charge
their EV's (takes about 6-8 hours full sun)and they give out all the
instructions and part sources free in hopes of passing legislation.
> >
> > That being said, if you are in an emergency situation - earthquake,
hurricane, etc, where the main power grid is down, I can see where this might be
useful. But I would rather have my vehicle fully charged and ready to roll than
have some extra discharge for the house when a generator from Home Depot or
Lowes can do much more efficent transfer (and safer) for whole house needs....my
2 and 1/2 cents :)
> >
> > --- In edrivephev@yahoogroups.com, "bamdet" <bruceam@> wrote:
> >
> >> --- In edrivephev@yahoogroups.com, "deanrholden" <dh@> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Does anyone have detailed info about or know of a website that has info
about hooking up an inverter to a Prius and using it as an emergency generator
for your home?
> >>>
> >>>
> >> The battery system in the Prius would not provide any meaningful power for
your home.  Just not enough storage capacity. A much better solution is the use
of homemade wind generators and solar panels which can be built very cheaply
with common tools and materials. In conjunction with 4-6 12 vdc deep cycle
batteries as a storage bank connected through an inverter and charged by
homemade wind generators and solar panels can give reliable backup power for
your home.
> >>
> >> http://www.homemadewindgenerators.net
> >>
> >>
>

#1011

From: Haudy Kazemi <kaze0010@...>
Date: Fri May 1, 2009 11:45 pm
Subject: Re: Re: Prius as a home generator

hkazemi

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Several things mentioned below should be clarified:

1.) What does meaningful power mean? Enough to run everything in your whole house without thinking twice (including an electric range and dryer)? For that you'd need something equivalent to your utility service capacity (circuit breaker panel rating). 100 amps at 240 volts = 24 kilowatts. To run several important loads simultaneously like the fridge/freezer/furnace blower you need a few kilowatts. Run one by one, those important loads might be doable on a 1 kilowatt supply. Central air conditioning and heat pump systems are heavy loads for any backup system.

2.) the Prius 12v system has a small capacity battery that is charged via a DC/DC converter from the main battery pack. This system can supply about 1000 watts continuous, although it could handle more for a short period (seconds to minutes) because the 12v battery functions as a buffer. The 12v battery alone does not hold a significant amount of power
This is the setup used here: http://hiwaay.net/~bzwilson/prius/priups.html

3.) flat solar panels on a converted EV don't add much charge/range as their power output is minuscule compared to the vehicle's power use, they're not optimally oriented to the sun, and they may hurt aerodynamics (which may not be a big deal around town). Solar panels on a garage that houses and charges an EV are a different story as they can be better positioned and can feed power back into the electrical system even when the EV is not there. Flexible solar panels on a lightweight vehicle are yet another story, as that is getting closer to what a solar car is.

4.) the average generator is about the same efficiency as the Prius when used for electrical AC power production*. Honda generators tend to due slightly better, cheap generators slightly worse. Emissions/pollution is probably less on the Prius than any generator, and potential runtimes much longer. For rare emergency use (e.g. less than once a month), I think the Prius is fine as a generator, as there isn't any extra special maintenance required and the extra hours on the Prius engine are likely tiny in comparison to all the driving done. For regular use (e.g. more than once a week), I think a good generator is preferable as it won't have stale fuel problems and won't be adding hours to the Prius engine.

* A while ago I made a spreadsheet based on the spec sheet run times and fuel tank capacities for a few dozen common generators (many brands and models), and compared it to the observed fuel burn and run times observed by 'bzwilson'. IIRC, generator efficiency ranged from ~10% to ~16%, with most around 12-13%, when converting the raw energy content of gasoline to kwh output and available at the AC power outlet.

Thom wrote:

This post below by Bruce is actually the greener method out of all these posts - which - isn't that the point of the vehicle? There are electric vehicle clubs/orgs here in Florida that are building their own solar panels to charge their EV's (takes about 6-8 hours full sun)and they give out all the instructions and part sources free in hopes of passing legislation.
That being said, if you are in an emergency situation - earthquake, hurricane, etc, where the main power grid is down, I can see where this might be useful. But I would rather have my vehicle fully charged and ready to roll than have some extra discharge for the house when a generator from Home Depot or Lowes can do much more efficent transfer (and safer) for whole house needs....my 2 and 1/2 cents :)
--- In edrivephev@yahoogroups.com, "bamdet" <bruceam@...> wrote:

--- In edrivephev@yahoogroups.com, "deanrholden" <dh@> wrote:

Does anyone have detailed info about or know of a website that has info about hooking up an inverter to a Prius and using it as an emergency generator for your home?

The battery system in the Prius would not provide any meaningful power for your home. Just not enough storage capacity. A much better solution is the use of homemade wind generators and solar panels which can be built very cheaply with common tools and materials. In conjunction with 4-6 12 vdc deep cycle batteries as a storage bank connected through an inverter and charged by homemade wind generators and solar panels can give reliable backup power for your home.
http://www.homemadewindenergy.net

#1010

From: Haudy Kazemi <kaze0010@...>
Date: Fri May 1, 2009 11:39 pm
Subject: Re: Prius as a home generator

hkazemi

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Gerald Ridge wrote:

Hi,

The 12 vdc system is about enough to run the regular off the shelf car stuff. Lights, horn, interior lights.

The AC system that runs the electric motors is hearty but 18KW max power but it is 3 phase 240 v. It could be used to run a regular 110 after some manipulation. There was also a concept hybrid truck for contractors that had a built in AC outlet for power tools in remote or non powered job sites.

Re: 12v DC system: it's limited to about 1000 watts continuous via the DC/DC converter.
http://hiwaay.net/~bzwilson/prius/priups.html

Re: hybrid truck:
You might be thinking of the 2005-2008 Chevrolet Silverado Hybrid which had the 'hybrid as a backup generator' piece done right (in spite of being a mild hybrid):
http://www.canadiandriver.com/2004/07/05/first-drive-2005-gm-hybrid-pickup-trucks.htm
http://www.greencar.com/articles/chevrolet-silverado-mild-hybrid-pickup-offers-fuel-savings.php
http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drives/FirstDrives/articleId=104820
"Power up the Miter Saw
Remember we said this was a hybrid with benefits? One of which is electricity, baby, and lots of it. Four grounded AC outlets provide up to 2,400 watts of electricity, making this wannabe hybrid an all-out Swiss Army knife off the tarmac. Rather than fool with a pollution-belching generator, a contractor can simply plug work tools into one of the outlets in the cargo bed. Likewise, one can haul their camper to the middle of nowhere, plug it into the truck and enjoy the luxury of electricity. Worried about draining those batteries? No problem. Just start the truck, push and hold the power outlet button and everything but the engine shuts off. Get out, lock the door, set the alarm. She'll stay running to generate as much power as you need. The horn even beeps if the gas tank starts getting low."

The 2009 version appears to be a stronger hybrid. I don't know if it still has the 'backup generator' feature.
http://jalopnik.com/cars/la-auto-show/la-auto-show-preview-2009-chevrolet-silverado-dual+mode-hybrid-322437.php

#1009

From: "deanrholden" <dh@...>
Date: Tue Apr 28, 2009 12:52 am
Subject: Re: Prius as a home generator

deanrholden

Offline

Thanks, but I am in an area that is wooded, and has little wind or sun.  I've
looked into these options already, but that's not what I was looking for anyway.
I have considered getting a backup generator for my home, but recently read
about a guy who powered his house with his Prius for a number of days, and used
much less gas than a conventional generator, and didn't need to buy and store a
separate generator.

Dean

--- In edrivephev@yahoogroups.com, "bamdet" <bruceam@...> wrote:
>
> --- In edrivephev@yahoogroups.com, "deanrholden" <dh@> wrote:
> >
> > Does anyone have detailed info about or know of a website that has info
about hooking up an inverter to a Prius and using it as an emergency generator
for your home?
> >
>
> The battery system in the Prius would not provide any meaningful power for
your home.  Just not enough storage capacity. A much better solution is the use
of homemade wind generators and solar panels which can be built very cheaply
with common tools and materials. In conjunction with 4-6 12 vdc deep cycle
batteries as a storage bank connected through an inverter and charged by
homemade wind generators and solar panels can give reliable backup power for
your home.
>
> http://www.homemadewindenergy.net
>

#1008

From: "deanrholden" <dh@...>
Date: Tue Apr 28, 2009 12:45 am
Subject: Re: Prius as a home generator

deanrholden

Offline

Thanks very much for finding and sending this document.  It is clearly written
and detailed, and I like the way it avoids using the traction batteries.  I was
worried about doing this and possibly voiding the warranty on a 2 year old car.

Dean

--- In edrivephev@yahoogroups.com, "jridge101" <jridge101@...> wrote:
>
> Man you really got me to thinking about this here is a detailed description
with parts on how to use a prius as a backup generator. Great question and you
were right whoever said 12vdc.
>
>
priuschat.com/forums/attachments/prius-modifications/3447d1180742580-prius-back-\
up-power-prius_as_back_up_power.pdf
>
>
> --- In edrivephev@yahoogroups.com, "deanrholden" <dh@> wrote:
> >
> > Does anyone have detailed info about or know of a website that has info
about hooking up an inverter to a Prius and using it as an emergency generator
for your home?
> >
>

#1007

From: Aimee Day <aimeeday1972@...>
Date: Mon Apr 27, 2009 11:43 pm
Subject: unsubscribe

aimeeday1972

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From: Thom <digartz@...>
To: edrivephev@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 9:44:35 AM
Subject: [edrivephev] Re: Prius as a home generator

This post below by Bruce is actually the greener method out of all these posts - which - isn't that the point of the vehicle? There are electric vehicle clubs/orgs here in Florida that are building their own solar panels to charge their EV's (takes about 6-8 hours full sun)and they give out all the instructions and part sources free in hopes of passing legislation.

That being said, if you are in an emergency situation - earthquake, hurricane, etc, where the main power grid is down, I can see where this might be useful. But I would rather have my vehicle fully charged and ready to roll than have some extra discharge for the house when a generator from Home Depot or Lowes can do much more efficent transfer (and safer) for whole house needs....my 2 and 1/2 cents :)

--- In edrivephev@yahoogro ups.com, "bamdet" <bruceam@... > wrote:
>
> --- In edrivephev@yahoogro ups.com, "deanrholden" <dh@> wrote:
> >
> > Does anyone have detailed info about or know of a website that has info about hooking up an inverter to a Prius and using it as an emergency generator for your home?
> >
>
> The battery system in the Prius would not provide any meaningful power for your home. Just not enough storage capacity. A much better solution is the use of homemade wind generators and solar panels which can be built very cheaply with common tools and materials. In conjunction with 4-6 12 vdc deep cycle batteries as a storage bank connected through an inverter and charged by homemade wind generators and solar panels can give reliable backup power for your home.
>
> http://www.homemade windenergy. net
>

#1006

From: "jridge101" <jridge101@...>
Date: Mon Apr 27, 2009 5:12 pm
Subject: Re: Prius as a home generator

jridge101

Offline

Man you really got me to thinking about this here is a detailed description with
parts on how to use a prius as a backup generator. Great question and you were
right whoever said 12vdc.

priuschat.com/forums/attachments/prius-modifications/3447d1180742580-prius-back-\
up-power-prius_as_back_up_power.pdf

--- In edrivephev@yahoogroups.com, "deanrholden" <dh@...> wrote:
>
> Does anyone have detailed info about or know of a website that has info about
hooking up an inverter to a Prius and using it as an emergency generator for
your home?
>

#1005

From: "Thom" <digartz@...>
Date: Mon Apr 27, 2009 4:44 pm
Subject: Re: Prius as a home generator

digartz

Offline

This post below by Bruce is actually the greener method out of all these posts -
which - isn't that the point of the vehicle? There are electric vehicle
clubs/orgs here in Florida that are building their own solar panels to charge
their EV's (takes about 6-8 hours full sun)and they give out all the
instructions and part sources free in hopes of passing legislation.

That being said, if you are in an emergency situation - earthquake, hurricane,
etc, where the main power grid is down, I can see where this might be useful.
But I would rather have my vehicle fully charged and ready to roll than have
some extra discharge for the house when a generator from Home Depot or Lowes can
do much more efficent transfer (and safer) for whole house needs....my 2 and 1/2
cents :)

--- In edrivephev@yahoogroups.com, "bamdet" <bruceam@...> wrote:
>
> --- In edrivephev@yahoogroups.com, "deanrholden" <dh@> wrote:
> >
> > Does anyone have detailed info about or know of a website that has info
about hooking up an inverter to a Prius and using it as an emergency generator
for your home?
> >
>
> The battery system in the Prius would not provide any meaningful power for
your home.  Just not enough storage capacity. A much better solution is the use
of homemade wind generators and solar panels which can be built very cheaply
with common tools and materials. In conjunction with 4-6 12 vdc deep cycle
batteries as a storage bank connected through an inverter and charged by
homemade wind generators and solar panels can give reliable backup power for
your home.
>
> http://www.homemadewindenergy.net
>

#1004

From: dennis tuchalski <flashn9wdq@...>
Date: Mon Apr 27, 2009 3:55 pm
Subject: Re: Prius as a home generator

n9wdq

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Don't be discouraged by the nay sayers here. This can actually be done.
For a simple method, go to
www.wikihow.com/Use-a-Toyota-Prius-As-a-Backup-Generator
This explains a rather simple method for using the Prius to power your
home. There was another, excellent, article in a Ham radio magazine but
I could not quickly find it. It was a bit more involved but also
explained why the battery system is perfectly designed for such use.

dennis

deanrholden wrote:
>
>
> Does anyone have detailed info about or know of a website that has
> info about hooking up an inverter to a Prius and using it as an
> emergency generator for your home?
>
>

#1003

From: "bamdet" <bruceam@...>
Date: Mon Apr 27, 2009 2:26 pm
Subject: Re: Prius as a home generator

bamdet

Offline

--- In edrivephev@yahoogroups.com, "deanrholden" <dh@...> wrote:
>
> Does anyone have detailed info about or know of a website that has info about
hooking up an inverter to a Prius and using it as an emergency generator for
your home?
>

The battery system in the Prius would not provide any meaningful power for your
home.  Just not enough storage capacity. A much better solution is the use of
homemade wind generators and solar panels which can be built very cheaply with
common tools and materials. In conjunction with 4-6 12 vdc deep cycle batteries
as a storage bank connected through an inverter and charged by homemade wind
generators and solar panels can give reliable backup power for your home.

http://www.homemadewindenergy.net