180020 is now allocated on EN476 from Praha Holsevice at 0340 on the 15th to
Dresden, I assume its being swapped out although it has not got any other
allocations on Lokvorschau.

182001 is showing spare today and all weekend at Cottbus, although as Bob is in
the area he may yet see it turn up on a turn?

Already posted on WRG (World-Rail-Gen) as Morocco is not in Europe, but
worthy of a mention on here as well:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/World-Rail-Gen/message/1169

Ticket summary here:
http://www.oncf.ma/Fr/Index.aspx?md=202&rb=409&srb=658

A printable booking form is at the bottom of the above link, passport photo
required and I think photocopy of passport also:
http://www.oncf.ma/Fichiers/formulaireRailpassA.doc

The 7 day first class pass works out at around 10 British pounds per day,
also available as 15 and 30 day passes. Only available for foreigners
visiting Morocco.

The latest timings are now loaded on BDZ site
http://razpisanie.bdz.bg/site/search.jsp

Dimitrovgrad - Podkova
Levski - Svishtov
Levski - Trojan
Kjustendil - Gjushevo

All retain passenger trains

Phil Richards has kindly agreed to me putting this on ERG with the proviso that
nobody replies via the forum should you be interested.

All REPLIES must be directly to my work e-mail at Atos Origin as in my ERG group
e-mail address, I will only reply during office hours for obvious reasons.

As we are moving office next weekend  and the recycling bins are full to
overflowing, my colleagues asked if anyone would be interested in some of the
old European Timetables/Fares Books and CIV manuals that we have in our
cupboards (we have a cupboard full of CIV books that I assume are of no
interest?)that are no longer needed, these date back to our major involvement
with IRS and the last versions that were sent to us by the railway authoritioes
were kept the previous ones were always disposed of.

I am not able to post anything but am happy for anybody who is ineterested to
collect early next week from Kings Cross between 0900-1730 or from Peterborough
as I commute up or down to London.

These are free they were going to be chucked out anyway and it saves us trying
to find yet more recycling bins.

  in front of me are Swiss May 99-May 2000 Dutch May 99 - Sept 99
> Table of fares for Spain 30/05/99 Forhandsutgave Sweden June 99-June
> 2000 Rutetabell Norway June 2000-June 2001
>
> Riks Tidtabellen Jan -June 1998
> Guide National France Sept 97-May 98 (This is bus connections fom Rail
stations as far as I can tell, I only had a quick look)
> TCV Magyar UIC codes May 98- May 99
> DB Zugverzeichnis May 2000 June 01
> Rutebok Norway May-September 93
> Kursbuch DB May 2000-June 2001 in three volumes at that time.

Can I reiterate all replies direct to me please.

Cheers

Mark

09/11/09
P8995 2360
P8993 2345

10/11/09
ICB 2802 / 2803 / 2832 / 2836 / 2863 / 2838 / 2840 / 2843

FYRA Amsterdam & Rotterdam circuit 1186 110 / 1186 116 / 1186 118 /
1186 121

Dave Pollock

Just had a quick look at Drehscheibe and in one of the Vorschau postings it is
showing that 180020 is booked to work the following tomorrow:

180 020 - 440, 171 Prag-Dresden-Prag; 174, 379 Prag-Dresden-Prag

Actual diagram as posted in CD Gen files is:

EN440 Praha hl.n to Ústí nad Labem hl.n 04.58 – 06.39
EC171 Dresden Hbf to Praha-Holešovice 09.10 – 11.18
EC174 Praha-Holešovice to Dresden Hbf 12.40 – 14.46
EC379 Dresden Hbf to Praha-Holešovice 17.10 – 19.18

Worth keeping an eye on these as Keith posted a CD 372 on this circuit recently.

Ted

A new tourist train is to starting running (hopefully) this month between Leon
and Bilbao, El Expreso de la Robla. It will run much in the same format as the
famous El Transcantabrico but targetting a market who haven't the time to spend
the whole week on the train.

When constructed, details should appear here:-

http://www.elexpresodelarobla.com/

La compañía ferroviaria española de vía estrecha, FEVE, va a poner en marcha
este mes de noviembre el tren turístico denominado Expreso de la Robla. Así,
Juan Díez, director general adjunto de FEVE, ha señalado que va a ser `un tren
espectacular, con un formato similar al Transcantábrico, pero con una duración
de tres o cuatro días'.

El Expreso de la Robla va a enlazar las ciudades de León y Bilbao con escalas
como la del `Románico Palentino'.
El nuevo tren turístico está dirigido `a los jóvenes y a las personas que desean
hacer un viaje de estas características pero que no disponen del tiempo para
hacer un recorrido como el del Transcantábrico'.

Early rush hour gen from Mat Wilson:



2331 P8312

2313 P8092

2308 P8067

2310 on Forst on stock for unknown service



Ted







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Hi all,

A flying visit to Bremen with Ryanair - out on the Tuesday night and back
Thursday morning.

Arrived into Bremen - Hannover services (KBS380) in chaos due to the German
national football team's goalkeeper having thrown himself in front of the 14:40
Norddeich Mole to Hannover Hbf (RE4427).

Wednesday 11th November

101042 Bremen to Münster on the 06:32 Hamburg Altona to Chur.

101017 Münster to Rheine via Osnabrück High level and low level on the diverted
(all ICs booked this way until 22 November) 07:48 Koln Hbf to Norddeich Mole.

101041 Rheine to Osnabrück low level on the 08:49 Schiphol to Berlin Ost.

As I climbed the stairs to the high level - IC334 was passing through the
station having done the low level to high level curve - a train that I rejected
at Rheine.

101014 + 101113 (Top & Tail) Osnabrück to Hamburg Harburg on the 05:30 Nürnberg
to Hamburg Altona

The idea was to look for my last 3 Metronom 246s - 005, 009 and 010.

246004 - Harburg to Hbf on the 1310 ex Cuxhaven.
246005 - Hbf to Harburg on the 17:07 from Hbf
246010 - Harburg to Hbf on the 16:10 ex Cuxhaven
246009 - Hbf to Harburg on the 20:07 from Hbf

Job done ! More jam please

The other ones out were 006 (14:07 ex Hbf) and 003 (16:07 ex Hbf)

There are six per day out - they normally arrive at xx:58 at the Hbf and return
at xx:07/08 back to Cuxhaven. The exception to this is the 11:58 and 19:58
arrivals. The 11:58 arrival does the 20:07 and the 19:58 arrival goes to the
sidings. Easy to work out - look at the arrival and departure boards - if the
platform is different then the loco is. The trains lay over for 80 minutes at
Cuxhaven.

EMU to Altona

182517 - Hamburg Altona to Hbf on the 21:46 to München Ost (TALGO set).

120124 - Hamburg Hbf to Bremen Hbf on the 22:32 Hamburg Altona to Frankfurt.

Hopefully of use to someone

Paul Lockwood

Whilst neither Paul or myself have got around to typing up the CD notes from our
trip last week, a couple of things that were notable from Saturday 07/11 were

750 410 worked the Decin-Bad Schandau shuttles, we did the 1701 from Decin, I
was suitably whithered when stood on the Dresden bound platform a few minutes
after arrival at Bad Schandau and 372 014 arrived on EC379 the 1710
Dresden-Praha part of that diagram, that is the first time I have personally
seen a 372 on these 371 diagrams.

Whilst I appreciate we don't make a point of answering questions via the forum
postings, I can confirm that EN456/457 are booked a 371 to and from Berlin which
hopefully clears up an earlier query with regard to a CLASS sighting at Berlin.

And something I forgot to include in my original post



an unidentified CD 371 was at Berlin Ostbhf on Friday evening around 2345 as we
passed through on an S-Bahn arrived with the Praha to Amsterdam EN - didnt know
371s still worked to Berlin



Cheers

Keith



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From: andrew.cook@...
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 14:19:53 -0800
Subject: [ERG] [DB / CD] Observations and gen last few days [long]





I was also in Berlin over the weekend with friends. We thought the 115 on the
Kiev was 459 but as we were on the way out of the front door en route to the
Brandenburg Tor at the time , we couldn't be certain.


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I was also in Berlin over the weekend with friends. We thought the 115 on the
Kiev was 459 but as we were on the way out of the front door en route to the
Brandenburg Tor at the time , we couldn't be certain.

Other things noted of interest were PKP EU43-001 on Seddin depot on Saturday
morning and on Monday afternoon the 0649 ex Schipol (IC 141 ) was hauled by 120
103 rather than the usual 101.

Hi,
   just spent a couple of days in France cover a few bits of required track, here
are a few observations.

Friday 06/11/09
66450 848649 17:35 Amiens - St Quentin.
67618 848837 17:24 Amiens - Calais Ville.

Saturday 07/11/09
67322 842315 09:42 Arras - Boulogne Ville.
67322 842630 12:24  Boulogne Ville - Calais Ville.
67322 842642 13:27 Calais Ville - Rang du Fliers.
67451 & 67450 2032 14:37 Boulogne Ville - Paris Nord (to Amiens).
67609  849961 17:52 Paris Nord - Laon.

Sunday 08/11/09
67456 839625 12:10 Laon - Reims.
66411 838886 16:15 Charleville Mezieres - Givet.
66445 838861 17:40 Givet - Charleville Mezieres.
72141 839821 20:00 Reims - Dijon.

Monday 09/10/09
67572 30704 06:23 Strasbourg - Lauterbourg (day 3)
67572 30711 07:31 Lauterbourg - Strasbourg (day 3) Appears to have stuck to
diagram.
Day 9 30707/30706/30711 was a cart. 30524/30563/30536 and rest of diagram 67434.
67409 30715 06:27 Lauterbourg - Strasbourg (day 11).
67513(day 7)
67517 8302918 15:55 Strasbourg -Niederbronn.(day 10)
       8302923 17:22 Niederbronn - Strasbourg.

67519 30459 11:48 Haguenau - Strasbourg . (day 10)
67519 831834 18:55 Strasbourg - Saales (day 2)
67510 30593 17:45 Wissembourg - Strasbourg.

25613 831958 09:30 Strasbourg - Mommenhiem.
25679 821320 11:16 Selestat – Strasbourg.
25594 832322 13:16 Selestat - Strasbourg
Cart    831359 12:26 Strasbourg – Colmar (16500 diagram)



Tuesday 10/11/09
67433 31707 06:32 Selestat - Strasbourg (Via Barr).
25590 31351 05:56 Strasbourg - Selestat.
       31312 07:20 Selestat - Strasbourg.

25595 31308 06:41 Selestat - Strasbourg.
67572 31713 08:08 Strasbourg - Barr.
67519 31809 06:39 Saales - Strasbourg.
67517 31704 06:35 Strasbourg - Barr.
67409 31738 07:11 Strasbourg - Barr.
67603 30712 08:23 Strasbourg - Lauterbourg.


Cheers Kev

Hi,

Here are some more useful observations from my afternoon spent in Belgium.

2007 EC296 0648 Basle to Brussels Midi (From Luxembourg)
2008 P8405 1654 Brussels Midi to Huy
2023 P8600 1554 Brussels Midi to Jemelle

2310 P8306 1705 Brussels Midi to Hasselt
2313 P8092 1625 Brussels Midi to Dendermonde
2314 P8014 1702 Schaarbeek to Gent St Peters
2322 P8741 1659 Schaarbeek to Binche
2323 P8906 1705 Schaarbeek to Oudenarde
2334 P8307 1734 Brussels Midi to Hasselt
2346+2373 P8724 1706 Schaarbeek to Chatelet

2618/2621 IR3913 1320 Binche to Louvain-la-neuve-University.

2803, 2832 and 2838 seen on Amsterdam services.

GFP

Sent from speeding Pendolino on the way home!

The TER-SNCF website has been give a makeover. All the regiosn appear to no
follwo the same standard.
 
Once into your region, there is a big 'In one Clic' box in the top left which
offers the choice of 'search for [point to point] itinerary', 'Fiches Horaires'
and 'Products and prices'.
 
Clicking on Fiches Horaires takes you to the next screen where everything has
been collected together in a vertical menu on the left hand margin, with the
main screen asking you to input the name of a station.
 
That's all very well, but - testing the Rhone Alps site - half the stations I
input are not there, so hard luck unless you already know your network.
 
The option is still available to click on the regional map, but again some
stations are not loaded (at least on Rhone-Alpes).

Brive - Tulle is closed due to rock falls triggered by recent heavy rains in the
area.
 
Planned to reopen during Friday.

09-11-09

TEP70-0236 on overnight to Moscow departs Tallinn 17h20



Today to Kopli yard which is just 500 metres from Tallinn station - Feb 2006 my
last visit was very busy with

GEs on freights.

Today a couple of sets of forlorn wagons with falling snow covering the tracks.

Economic downturn has hot hard here as well....

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All,

Gen from Brussels for today is as follows:

IC A - 1326!!!!, 1349, 1355, 1356, 1360

IC O - 1343, 1333

Amsterdams


IC9205 - 2843
IC9209 - 2832
IC9213 - 2802
IC9217 - 2834
IC9221 - 2842
IC9225 - 2836
IC9229 - 2802
IC9233 & 9228 return cancelled, no reason given.
IC9237 - 2840

All locos worked as per the file from the files section.

Evening P trains

IC2115 - 2325+2354
P8066 - 2366
P8600 - 2023
P8400 - 1331
P8602 - 2014
P8312 - 2339
P8092 - 2313
IC2116 - 1347
P8404 - 2008
P8067 - 2308
P8405 - 2006
P8305 - 2312P8095 - 2331
P8402 - 1351
EC295 - 2004
IC2135 - 1352
P8511 - 2321
P8723 - 2348
P8003 - 1332, 1354 dead on rear
P8013 - 1183
P8741 - 2322
P8014 - 2314
P8906 - 2323
P8724 - 2346+2373
P8005 - 1353
P8010 - 2371
P8307 - 2334

Many thanks for Paul Bodens assistance with the gen from the mornings
peak and Amsterdams.

And for Mr Sutton, gen from Mr Hookham:

2144 worked P8513
2155 worked P8300

Who could have cleared his cans? :-)

The same thread now reports that it is due to 2 broken Stockem class 41s being
sent to Hasselt for repairs leaving them short. Apparently P8682 is booked for a
Sibelit Fret 13, though don't know how long the arrangement is to last for.

Folks,



Over the border from Germany (Bart to note) the following is happening:



421378       EC191

421374       EC193

484018       EC131



11162         1778

11180         2637

11283         2926

11320         2182N

11330         25622



Andy "Desperate" Read





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A shortish post, Should save to many sarcastic anti DB comments from Mr Simpson
today (sorry mate!), Charter pair 10008 and 10019 were at Trier on the 31/10

111 115 was on Trier Depot presumably the crew trainer for the work the class
has from this Depot in December.

110 295 was at Cochem on ECS in the sidings

Randomly bumped into Des at Yorma's in Nurnberg that evening.

01/11

110 329 was at Regensburg on a Sonderzug
218 475 was the Nurnberg-Furth Im wald turn 754 060 went forward to Plzen

Thankfully very little engineering work today

08/11

My friends 10008 and 10019 arrived alongside my train at Bochum on a Sonderzug,
I really must research what these ex SBB electrics are booked on as they follow
me around the NRW region whenever I am about.

Heading off on my travels on 31/10 I opted to go via Lux for my last 4000 thanks
GB for the earlier gen on its workings on Thursday it did work and managed to
have 3 class 20's on EC91!

2005 set off and didn't seem to be a problem other than what i assumed was
alittle leaf fall wheel slip, at Jemelle it was topped to arlon by 2021 as the
latter does not have the relevant cab safety equipment for Lux 2001 was provided
as a final replacement 15021 worked forward from Lux.

The by now usual 28's were working the Amsterdam circuit Friday evening and
Saturday morning, no 11's were working.

Thanks to PB for his help planning this trip, the following were noted and where
appropriate scooped in by us both.

14/11/2009
750 093 Bratislava Hl  -Prievidza

No obvious diagram swaps during the evening, with 240s and 263s working as
booked in Bratislava.

15/11/2009
750 031 0633 Bratislava Pet-Nitra
750 093 0517 Prievidza-Bratislave Hl
750 092 0958 Prievidza-Nove Zamky
750 201 1255 Nove Zamky-Prievidza
750 151 1318 Nitra-Nove Zamky
750 164 1423 Nitra-Nove Zamky
Having decided no 736 were working
736 104 did 1422 Topolcany-Nove Zamky
750 198 1638 Prievidza-Bratislave Pet
750 058 1704 Komarno-Bratislave Hl
363 094 (Cargo logo, not sure if it is?) was the lead logo on 1504
Zilina-Bratislave Hl, it ran round with 363145 and was then dead inside its
compatriot on the 2100 to Nove Mesto nad vahom

16/11/2009
750 031 0633 BratislavaPet-Nitra
750 129 0517 Prievidza-Bratislava Hl
750 058 1042 Bratislave Hl-Komarno
2016 042 was working the Wien-Bratislave Hl circuit all three days
The locals were very excited by a CD special liveried 362 (119 or 166 I didn't
write it down in the excitement not!) working the 0810 Bratislava Hl- Zilina

Everything else worked to diagram and I am very grateful to the individual or
individuals who have taken the time and trouble to write up these diagrams.

Finally apologies for any spelling errors, its my interpretation of the word
that hopefully counts!

OHE = Ost Havelländische Eisenbahn: http://www.ohe-berlin.de/
Reuter = district of Berlin

Cheers
Dave


-----Original Message-----
From: Keith Fender <kdfender@...>
To: europeanrail@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 13:44
Subject: [ERG] [DB] Berlin Steam [and diesel] programme 2010




ates for the steam and diesel trains operated by Berlin macht Dampf now
vailable until August - full details should be on their website in December,
ll trips start Berlin and will be 52 8177 unless otherwise mentioned

Their 219 [119 158] is being overhauled and should be back in service by
ecember this year

Dates are

23.01.2010: Wernigerode 219 diesel and ng steam
06.02.2010: Oberwiesenthal – Winterdampf im Erzgebirge 219 diesel and steam
20.02.2010: Rennsteig – Winterdampf in Thüringen 219 diesel and steam
6 March  Circular half day tour south of Berlin, then half day trip on S-Bahn
outes
7 March circular trip to east of Berlin
27.03.2010: Dampflokfahrt nach Dresden
28 March Berlin to Kostrzyn
17 April Berlin day trip incl OHE and Reuter [not sure what these are??]
18 April 2 trips to Potsdam via differing routes
1 May Day trip to Wolsztyn [Poland]
8 May Berlin to Hamburg with 219
9 May day trip to Mildenberg steam festival
22.05.2010: Sonderfahrt nach Neuenmarkt-Wirsberg with 219
23 May trip to Magdeburg
5 June day trip around the Prignitz north of Berlin
6 June day trip to Lubbenau
3 July trip to Halle P museum open  day and round trip Halle to Halle via
roskorbertha/Leipzig
31 July Berlin to Bruchhausen Vilsen for ng line south of Bremen - long distance
19 trip!
7 August 219 to Warnemuende

No idea yet which of these trips offer interesting track but suspect some of
hem do

Cheers
Keith




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Dates for the steam and diesel trains operated by Berlin macht Dampf now
available until August - full details should be on their website in December,
all trips start Berlin and will be 52 8177 unless otherwise mentioned



Their 219 [119 158] is being overhauled and should be back in service by
December this year



Dates are



23.01.2010: Wernigerode 219 diesel and ng steam

06.02.2010: Oberwiesenthal – Winterdampf im Erzgebirge 219 diesel and steam

20.02.2010: Rennsteig – Winterdampf in Thüringen 219 diesel and steam

6 March  Circular half day tour south of Berlin, then half day trip on S-Bahn
routes

7 March circular trip to east of Berlin

27.03.2010: Dampflokfahrt nach Dresden

28 March Berlin to Kostrzyn

17 April Berlin day trip incl OHE and Reuter [not sure what these are??]

18 April 2 trips to Potsdam via differing routes

1 May Day trip to Wolsztyn [Poland]

8 May Berlin to Hamburg with 219

9 May day trip to Mildenberg steam festival

22.05.2010: Sonderfahrt nach Neuenmarkt-Wirsberg with 219

23 May trip to Magdeburg

5 June day trip around the Prignitz north of Berlin

6 June day trip to Lubbenau

3 July trip to Halle P museum open  day and round trip Halle to Halle via
Groskorbertha/Leipzig

31 July Berlin to Bruchhausen Vilsen for ng line south of Bremen - long distance
219 trip!

7 August 219 to Warnemuende



No idea yet which of these trips offer interesting track but suspect some of
them do



Cheers

Keith








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Two snippets from different sources



28 and 29 November Berlin to Warszawa ECs not calling Frankfurt/Oder and leaving
Berlin GESUNDBRUNNEN/ LICHTENBERG an hour earlier so presume 232s via Kostrzyn?



Deliveries of new Class 440 EMUs for services around Wurzburg and a separate
batch around Passau are late due to non approval of brake components, based upon
a visit to Salzgitter where they are bing built last week, there are plenty of
finished units waiting for approval/delivery - which is said to be days away.
However delivery is max 10 trains a week and presumably there will be driver
training etc required [although some has already been done using Augsburg
units]. So assuming the brake components are approved the loco hauled
substitutes [rumoured as 185s?] may not last long into the new year [on the
other hand maybe like Augsburg it will last months....]



Cheers

keith


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02.11  DB



218 448 seen on 1547 Hannover to Bad Harzburg



04.11 DB



115 332 worked EN477 1930 Berlin Lichtenberg to Dresden Hbf



05.11 CD



111 005 worked EN457 from Holesovice to Praha hl n



OBB 1216 210 seen on EC76 Wien - Praha



Visited Line 016 - closure threatened from March. Both trains were fairly busy -
the Moravany - Holice - Borohradek line [18km long] is worked effectively as two
branches with long "connections" between trains



754 030 +754 051 both powering R 798 1537 Letohrad to Praha, 750 162 and 285
also seen on T021



06.11 CD and DB



141 012 R 1155 0727 Usti n Labem to Liberec [only running to from Decin for bus
forward] , the 141 also seen on 05.11 on stock at Usti n L



A different green 141 was on Decin shed



DB

182 001 on training run on RE 26177 Leipzig to Cottbus , many thanks for the gen
via ERG!



182 001 -005 will be used on these services from December, the rest of the class
will switch to DB Regio by Dec 2010 and will be used by DB Regio Nord Ost ie in
the North eastern part of the country



186 135 and 186 241 on Berlin Warszawa ECs , 186 130 at Rummelsberg all weekend



07.11



Kriegslok 52 8177 worked Berlin Macht Dampf Schoenweide to Pulsnitz charter,
route outward via Hosena to Kamenz freight line, back via new Arnsdorfer Kurve
[opened 4.10.09] and Dresden Mitte to Dresden Friedrichstadt freight curve



Major disruption on S-Bahn between Ostkreuz and Schonweide due to PW work so
some passengers and crew missed the special! Be warned if you are planning to do
any of the trips that they are running in the next few weeks. NH Hotel Treptow
is about 5 mins walk from Schonweide.



08.11



An unidentified 115 rather than the booked 145 seen on the Berlin to Moskva/Kiev
train



General



Long distance trains seen and used in Germany were almost all 20+ mins late and
many over an hour late (IC 145 Schiphol - Szcecin advertised as 3 hours late!)
Needless to say the hafas connections I was using to and from the Czech Republic
didnt work in either direction, all due to Fernverkehr late running in Germany!!



Internet facilities now available in Berlin Hbf inside burger King - the ticket
you get can also be used at other locations eg inside a shop at Dresden Hbf [and
probably at other major stations]



Cheers

Keith


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DB have officially anounced now that the new emus will not start before summer
2010.

This should give a good six months of 182 haulage/pushage on these trains.

Brian Garvin

Returning from a week in Czecho and Slovakia, I covered the Binche this morning
from Halle before catching the 0805 Eurostar and it dropped 2621 leading and
2611 at the rear, 2611 was my my first new 26 for four or five years!

Only viewed 2840 on the 0618 Amsterdam, 2801 and 2839 were spare 2832 was at
Forest on a rake of NS stock.

the only two P trains viewed were 2008 and 2334 which were at Midi having
terminated at about 0725 when I arrived from halled, both ECS to Forest.

According to a message in the newsgroup fido.belg.trains, P 8682 (leaving Namur
at 16h51 for Bertrix) was loco hauled (13 plus I6c coaches) last Friday. To be
confirmed!